Off-Topic Thread...

crappy wiring job? i'd like to see you do any better

who would of ever thought of holding down subs with the t-top straps.

Hahaha... Guys it was tough for the Moderators to choose the new PZC Mod. But in the end, Jason was the best for the job, mostly because he's a dork and he spends so much Damn time on this site :lol:

HAHAHAHA :p

-Wes

Oh and Delerious... Looks unique, that's for sure.

So uh... You're into duct tape too, huh? :evillol:

-Wes

duct tape owns everything

Hahaha... Guys it was tough for the Moderators to choose the new PZC Mod. But in the end, Jason was the best for the job, mostly because he's a dork and he spends so much Damn time on this site :lol:

HAHAHAHA :p

-Wes

i dont know about all that, it was more or less put like this...



I think he would be perfect... We has a lot of time to dedicate to the board, keeps his head during debates, he always manages to put a funny spin on heated situations (That typically calms the situation), he is extremely knowledgable about Z Cars, and he is in the middle of a Twin Turbo swap... Which means he has vast knowledge of the most asked question in the Z Car Section.

I think he would be a great addition

:loser:

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crappy wiring job? i'd like to see you do any better

ahh...i did it professionally for about 10 months. i think im pretty good at it...

duct tape owns everything

duct tape will own your Pulsar!!! :lol:

God I made you look good... And you never said thanks! :lol:

-Wes

God I made you look good... And you never said thanks! :lol:

-Wes
i remember saying thanks in a PM.

No you didn't... *looks around nervously* ... Damnit he knows I'm lying... Oh... Did I just say that out loud, I was kidding, I was... I was!

-Wes

No you didn't... *looks around nervously* ... Damnit he knows I'm lying... Oh... Did I just say that out loud, I was kidding, I was... I was!

-Wes

Ponce!

llz that looks very similar to the turbo i was looking at for my build... expensive little bastards.. but it'll be interesting to see it once it's in and working... i take it you're going to get some custom mani's made up?

It is pretty expensive. 1300 bucks is 1300 bucks. That's a pretty big chunk of money...period. Damn near half what I paid for the car. But...is it worth it? Absolutely. That would be ideal for what I'm shooting for. Will I get it? Maybe. We'll see. Probably...:biggrin:. The BEST part about that specific turbo is that I'll get one with a T3 flange on it and it's a direct bolt on.

This is who I'm going to when the time is right... Full-Race is t3h Sh1t (http://www.full-race.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=bd65134c2e2cd5af4a595cd4fb614055)

-Wes

anyone here ever order ne thing from certifiedmuffler.com ????

This is who I'm going to when the time is right... Full-Race is t3h Sh1t (http://www.full-race.com/catalog/index.php?cPath=21&osCsid=bd65134c2e2cd5af4a595cd4fb614055)

-Wes

holy shit has full race ever come a long way since i first saw them... i remember back in the day when they had like 4 different products on their line up... they started out honda/acura and now look how big they've gotten... that's awesome!

duct tape will own your Pulsar!!! :lol:

and my pulsar will own you if you're not careful:grinno:

never heard of full race.

I bought a new car tonight...

1989 CRX Si
-Fully Gutted and 'swiss cheesed' Frame, all unneccesary weight removed
-Rull 12 Point Roll Cage
-Integra Type R Rear Suspension
-Fiber Glass one piece front end

All for $250 :evillol:

I bought it for the crew's new project. We've got a built LS/VTEC Turbocharged powertrain to drop into it. Not to mention some Mickey Thompson slicks. Can you say 10 Second Passes :p

-Wes

lol that thing must weigh like 1000 lbs...

Yeah... We didn't even have to roll it onto the trailer, we picked it up and set it on :lol:

I should have my camera back in a day or so (Let a friend borrow it for his Vacation), I'll get some pictures of the beast then. It's ugly as Hell :lol:

-Wes

*sigh*

Don't be upset Freak... You can run 10's someday too. :p

-Wes

yeah...ya ever heard of just building a go-kart???

LS V-tec??? can you say B18?

so me and my girlfriend are getting ready to buy her a 5th gen prelude? its been hard trying to find one in a 5-speed and not in those blue shades paint. anyways, is the H22 anygood for modifying?? not that it really matter but it would be nice to get it down in the the low 14's.

Don't be upset Freak... You can run 10's someday too. :p

-Wes

and i will look good doing it unlike civics.

LS V-tec??? can you say B18?

It's called LS/VTEC, because it utilizes a B18B (Integra LS, which is Non-VTEC) Block, and a VTEC Head. We're using the B16A head because of it's high revving capabilities.

so me and my girlfriend are getting ready to buy her a 5th gen prelude? its been hard trying to find one in a 5-speed and not in those blue shades paint. anyways, is the H22 anygood for modifying?? not that it really matter but it would be nice to get it down in the the low 14's.

Good luck getting that slug into the low 14's... You're talking some serious modifications at that. H22 Engines aren't ideal for modifying, as if you upgrade one section, you MUST upgrade the other sections. The parts have to work together on the H-Series engines, otherwise you end up with a headache.

Now with B-Series engines, it's not an issue... CTR Camshafts in a B16A, and you're good to rev into 9,000RPM, without valve float, and without putting stress on the bottom end.

I've considered going H22, simply because it's our crews signature... They're amazing engines stock, but modifying them can be somewhat tricky.

-Wes

and i will look good doing it unlike civics.

No you won't :lol:

-Wes

It's called LS/VTEC, because it utilizes a B18B (Integra LS, which is Non-VTEC) Block, and a VTEC Head. We're using the B16A head because of it's high revving capabilities.

oh...:eek7:



Good luck getting that slug into the low 14's... You're talking some serious modifications at that. H22 Engines aren't ideal for modifying, as if you upgrade one section, you MUST upgrade the other sections. The parts have to work together on the H-Series engines, otherwise you end up with a headache.
no problem....id rather start with a nice looking and non-civic honda. like i said, it doesnt really matter beings my GF doesnt really care how fast it is. i am the one that cares...it would be nice to see a nicely modified Honda around town that will be able keep pace with the local 350Z's, camaros, etc. so what are we talking?

it cant be that difficult...rebuild the motor with all foorged components. throw a supercharger on it and i will have my car. im not trying to prove anything here so i dont have to go all motor, just want a little pep in the prelude's step.

Now with B-Series engines, it's not an issue... CTR Camshafts in a B16A, and you're good to rev into 9,000RPM, without valve float, and without putting stress on the bottom end.

I've considered going H22, simply because it's our crews signature... They're amazing engines stock, but modifying them can be somewhat tricky.

i dont think i want to swap in a smaller displacement motor because they are easier to get power out of. ill stick with the H22 and modify it.


BTW: got any real good H22 sites with aftermarket parts? not your basic intake and exhaust but serious stuff to get power...cams, cranks, pistons, valvetrain, FI kits, custom stuff, etc.

No you won't :lol:

-Wes

i had a feeling you would say something like that.

Don't be upset Freak... You can run 10's someday too.

HA...that's cruel, man.

Can't wait to see the swiss cheese mobile.

I used to have a 5th gen. LOVED that car. They have some "pep" from the factory. Thing was a BLAST to drive...and it was just an auto. A 5 sp would be quite a ride...especially with the usual I/H/E on it. They're faster than NA Z32s stock from the factory. I miss that feeling of Vtec kicking in at ~6200 rpm...it was damn near like a turbo instantly spooling up. Almost scared me the first time it happened cuz I didn't know what it was...didn't think Vtec would be that noticable. And they're very safe...

Why are the hard to mod, Wes? I've heard they're a bit finnicky when it comes to this.

plus wes, how can you look good in a civic? there is no way.

i've heard in the past that the h22's aren't a fan of boost until you do rebuild them, which i'm sure could be costly... something about getting the block re-sleeved because of a different sleeve design in the h series compared to the b series...

wes have you thought about trying out a b20 block with some nice forged pistons and the b16 head? i'm sure with the extra displacement that thing would be a boost beast

all this honda talk is killing me. civics are economy cars. "oh, i guess my economy car can beat your Z, haha" I DONT CARE. i have a true sports car with heritage behind it, plus sexy looks, there is NO WAY you can tell me a civic comes even close to looking as good as the Z32. you can have the fastest civic in the world, at the end of the day, it is still a civic.
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true, but you might as well make what you have fast if it looks like poo :p

civics are all about one thing; respect... the owners crave it, becuase their turning what was once a crappy economy car (not really crappy but yea you get the point) into a beast of a racer...

But you can never get that feeling of when you zoom past a group of girls in your z and half of em look and smile... if you do that in a civic they could totally care less... at least that's the way it is at my school, maybe Wes lives around a bunch of gay boyz who love riced out hondas, and Wes just loves all the looks, compliments, and free road head he gets from them :D

:gay: :greddy2:

bahahahahaha.... ouch wes are you going to take that?:p

i love that feeling of all the girls looking at my car, i was at a local hangout spot and i was the only Z32 out there with f-bodies, mustangs, civics, and dsm's, and this suv full of girls goes by and yell "hey, nice Z!"

Freak, there is no arguement there. No car can touch the Zed Cars heritage, I'm not questioning that at all.

And we don't do up Honda's so we can get compliments, it's quite the contrary. We make these Civics fast, because it's so Damn cheap. No one gives my car a second look, simply because it's a HONDA CIVIC. No one expects it to be fast.

And Rocker... I can't even begin to tell you how many girls come up to me when I'm getting out of my car, and compliment how clean it looks. It surprises me every time :lol:

Jason, the weakest part of the H22 is the head, the bottom end is great. If I swap to H22, I'm going with the full Crower head package, granted it may be $1,000. But you can't mess with Titanium valves, valve springs, retainers, and 404 Camshafts :evillol: . Dyno proven 32whp added... Now add that onto the 200bhp.

So if you're considering modifying it at all. Start with the Valve Train, as it is by far the weakest part of the entire engine. Also, make sure you convert from Auto Tensioner, to Manual Tensioner. The Auto Tensioner has been the cause of many blown H-Series engines.

Delerious, we were building the B20/VTEC... Until we got the pistons out, and found some fun scoring into the cylinder walls, so deep that even with the 87mm pistons we were going to put in, the score would still be too deep. So we scratched that.

B20's aren't good for boost, as they have EXTREMELY thin cylinder walls. The only way to run over 9psi on them, is to have the block resleeved, which is running into a lot of money, that could be put elsewhere with a different configuration.

B20's are good for all motor applications, in my opinion. I would never boost one.

And Jared, honestly dude... Just mellow out man, Civic's are pretty nice looking cars, and they can be fast with little work. That's why I like them so much lately. Granted, they'll never touch a Zed in heritage, but heritage doesn't win races, it wins respect. Right now I'm trying to win, for the least amount of money. :)

-Wes

Oh I am so building one of these... When I feel it's time to die (http://www.ter-tech.com/drifting/videos/drifting-gocart.mpg) :lol:

-Wes

ok...$1000 is chump change for what your getting. i can do that for a good start. will this allow me to boost it and get some good performance without rebuilding the bottom end?

what is the bottom end good until, performance wise. i dont want a turbo...too common. supercharger kit already made or will i have to build a custom system.

thats what i love about hondas and 4 cylinder in general...everything usually is much cheaper. 4 cylinders instead of 6 makes things alot more cost effective. whether it fuel injectors, pistons, rods, valves, etc.

i dont have any probems with well modified civics. i have a buddy with a boosted K20 in a 200? honda civic 4-door. nobody thinks anything besides a civic with a little body kit and wheels. but the thng hauls pure ass. i have a problem with the civic owners who think adding 50lbs of neons and other miscallaneous garbage makes their car hott shit, which seems to be the majority of civic owners...for that matter honda owners. this is what gives honda tuners the ricer image no matter what they do to their car. blame the kids!!!

anyways, always loved the 5th gen prelude and i am pretty excited that my GF likes them alot too.

hey wes what about that f20 motor out of the euro accord... i've never really heard anything about it other than that it's rare...

oh, and that go cart thing is absolutely insane... i like it when the guy fries his shoe...

have fun with your cheap hondas taking money away from supposedly getting a Z.

Oh Jared, shut up :lol:

Jason, with that Valvetrain Build, and Automatic-Manual Tensioner conversion, you should be good for a Centrifugal, or Screw Supercharger. I've seen good results with a Roots style Supercharger as well, but it's more expensive than a Screw, because it must integrate an Intercooler. Due to the fact that the Roots mounts directly on top of the Header. It's made with H22's Civic swaps in mind, because there isn't much Firewall-Intake Manifold clearance.

Also, I'd love to do the K20 swap... However, it costs in excess of $10,000 to perform. And I am not looking to get that much in debt with this Civic :lol:

Delerious, the F20B Engine is balls out fast... So is their sell out time. Every place I've checked, is out of them. It's among the more expensive Honda swaps, B18C5, H22A Type-S, B16B, K20A... Those are all way over priced. Not worth it in my opinion, seeming as a cheaper engine can be built for half the price.

Let me reiterate this again... Civics cannot touch a Zed (of any year, even Z33) in heritage, styling, or the connection that the owners have. I can't tell you how many times I would be driving one of my Zeds, and old ladies driving a Zed32 would flash their lights at me in traffic. :lol:

Mostly other Civics just rev at me :lol:

But guys, right now I'm trying to start out in my racing career... So, cheapest is best. Axel breaks on my Civic? $35 fixes that. Engine blows up? $150, no big deal, it's running the next day. Transmission goes out? $75, it's replaced in under 3 hours. Wreck it? No problem, buy a shell for $300, and swap all of the old parts in.

Now work those out with a Zed32... Yeah, see my point?

That's all. Just stop stressing me being into Civics right now, it's not that big of a deal. At least I'm not driving a Shitstain :rolleyes:

-Wes

That's all. Just stop stressing me being into Civics right now, it's not that big of a deal. At least I'm not driving a Shitstain :rolleyes:


Damn right...even if the new ones ARE better...

I personally wouldn't mind getting a GS-R sometime. I just hate fwd. My uncle that works for Toyota has driven them and he said they were crazy. They rev to...what?...9000 rpm or some insane bullshit?...I bet they are nuts. Also looked at a 2003 anniversary edition VW GTI today that was REALLY cool. 6 speed manual, 1.8 turbo (mmm...turbo...I'm having boost withdrawls, anyway), black ext, black interior, the darkest tint I've EVER seen, black rims, low pro tires...REALLY cool car.

Here (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=189880328&dealer_id=67982&car_year=2003&model=GTI&bkms=1128037252780&lang=en&isp=y&start_year=2003&certified=&search_type=both&distance=25&make=VOLKS&min_price=&address=41091&advanced=&end_year=2003&max_price=&cardist=5) is the ACTUAL car. I like it but, for me to finance it, dude said it would cost over 600 bucks a month...and it's not even 20 grand, according to the dude. Fuck that in the goat ass. Plus...it's FWD...bleh. Fun, cool DD, though.

Anyone here seen the new Civic Si yet? Whadda ya think?

new civic si? factory rice baby:smokin: i mean... it comes with the hood already painted black... and i can't wait to see what people are going to do with that center mounted exhaust:rolleyes: oh.. and 18's? that's ludicrous... other than that... not bad :p

llz that gti is freaking hooooot.. k3, you can't say that doesn't look good...

gs-r's aren't actually that fast (redline of 8200 i think)... they've got some punch but i don't think they're as speedy as the 5th gen prelude stock for stock... and the 4th gen vtec prelude is definitely faster.

i must admit that i do like the new mustangs... i can't say the idea didn't float through my head a few times to use one as a dd...

what i was thinking of using as a dd was this 88 crx si with a brand spanking new d16z6 engine (fully rebuilt) and some other mods.. seems like the guy knew what he was doing.. anyway he's asking 2k for it.. the body isn't in the best shape, but hey, who cares what a dd looks like:p

http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/ThaSanchez/honda08.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/ThaSanchez/honda06.jpg

Z6 Engines are strong... Looks like a solid deal for $2,000, but offer him $1,750 just for low-ballers sake :lol:

As for the new Civic Si... Nice. But I wouldn't spend that much on one, I'll wait a few years.

-Wes

The new Civic also weighs 2800 lbs. Like the rest it's nothing special performance wise, 197hp, 18s and black hood not withstanding. At least with the older SIs you could cut them down to under 2000 lbs fairly easily and get them going decently quick in the low end, good luck doing that on the new one.

yeah, that K20 swap in that 4-door civic is pretty nice and hauls ass.

i have another buddy that just today bought himself an 2006 Acura RSX Type-S. i am going to drive it later tonight and tell him what i think of it. 8200RPMs clutch drop...:lol: what do i care, its just a honda/acura and its under warantee and its not mine.

the GS-R integra's run mid 14's if i am not mistaking.

that Golf GTI looks like poo...the R32 looks ok. but if your gonna buy a Volkswagen, make it the 2005 Jetta GLI. those things are sharp, i dont care what anyone says.

and wes, i would personally rather see you drive a mid-late 90's mustang cobra than a civic. nothing like a supercharger whining at idle. :evillol:

the new civic SI, like broke said...i havent seen it yet and i am on my GF's computer which is still utilizing 56K and i am not a very patient guy.

GS-R's don't run mid 14's... About mid 15's.

To my surpise, I waxed one big time at the tracks a few weeks back. We threw the slicks on for my last run of the night, and I lined up against this GSR with Intake, Header, Exhaust (And he said he had Internals, cams, blah blah blah). I ran a 15.87, and I beat him by a half a car length... Yeah, he sucks at life :lol:

Wow... I just blew $700 on Suspension parts :p

-Wes

oh yeah.. it's not running (the crx) something to do with the distributor or summat... i'ma talk to the guy and see if he can get it running or cut me a deal on it... distributor's are expensive i believe... at least the one for my Z was going to cost me $500+ to replace the entire thing...

$700 on suspension? i'm guessing tokico illumina's with some sort of performance springs... maybe some strut tower bars or something as well...

oh yeah.. it's not running (the crx) something to do with the distributor or summat... i'ma talk to the guy and see if he can get it running or cut me a deal on it... distributor's are expensive i believe... at least the one for my Z was going to cost me $500+ to replace the entire thing...

$700 on suspension? i'm guessing tokico illumina's with some sort of performance springs... maybe some strut tower bars or something as well...

distributors are pretty expensive...i would guess around $200 for a honda. but it could be the cap...which would only be like $20. :dunno:

$700 on a suspension for a civic...that could probably buy you whole new performance suspension kit made by a top name brand company. :lol: just over exaggerating the cheapness of civic parts. :D

mid 15's for a GSR...hmm...i always thought they were quicker than that.

well, i just got done driving my buddies new RSX Type-S. must say it has a lot of pep eventhough i didnt get to go above 7000rpms. id say an easy mid 14 second car if driven hard and right. it was fun letting vtec kick in and changing gears and chirping the next gear. a real fun car...not to mention the very well done leather racing buckets in the front. interior is a little cramped and clostrophobic? but the ride is quite nice and handling is superb.

also, not that you honda and nissan boys care. i destroyed an Audi TT tonight in the GTP. it really wasnt even close. we raced the first time and i totally destroyed him except for the first 20 feet. the n the second time i let him get about a 6 car head start and i passed him by the end of 1st gear and by the end of second i was atleast 6 or 7 cars up. but i must add that it was about 50 degrees tonight so my car was running very cool which really helps to the power of the supercharged motor.

well, it was a fun night...

hopefully i will be driving my car by the weekend. :D all will be destroyed...my only competition i a couple of mustang cobras, a couple LS1 camaros, and a supercharged vette. they will all eventually be owned by Z power. :evillol:

Tokico Illumina Struts - $380 Shipped
Eibach Sportline Springs - $216 Shipped
SKUNK2 Camber Kit - $167 Shipped
Eibach F/R Sway Bars - $329 Shipped

I decided to buy the sway bars last night, after thinking about it for a while.

It's all good though... I've got enough money to spend.

-Wes

wow, thats really expensive for sway bars, i paid $275 for my stillen sway bars front and rear. and i can get kyb agx struts for the same price you paid for your struts. and i will only pay about $50 more for springs than you paid.

380 for illumina struts? goddamn that's cheap..

Yeap sure is. Seeming as this kit comes with the Subframe reinforcements. I think the pricing is reasonable.

-Wes

Yeap sure is. Seeming as this kit comes with the Subframe reinforcements. I think the pricing is reasonable.

-Wes

Yeap sure is. Seeming as this kit comes with the Subframe reinforcements. I think the pricing is reasonable.

-Wes

why did you post that 3 times in a row? someone get click happy? lol

can you say triple post? :lol:


dude, that is some cheap suspension parts. im think im gonna go with some carbing front and rear strut bars. :evillol:

Dude...what the FUCKING HELL do you do for a living, wes?!

I haven't seen the new Si in person yet...didn't know about the black hood (wtf?) and rims and all that shit. Just saw a pic (of a black on, actually) in a magazine and thought it looked kinda cool. I wouldn't buy one, though. My girl HATES...HATES HATES HATES the short, stumpy little hood on them...lol.

I'd MUCH rather buythis (http://www.cars.com/go/search/detail.jsp?tracktype=usedcc&searchType=21&paId=131437017&pageNumber=0&numResultsPerPage=50&largeNumResultsPerPage=0&sortorder=descending&sortfield=PRICE+descending&certifiedOnly=false&recnum=15&leadExists=true&criteria=K-%7CE-%7CM-_36_%7CD-_330_%7CN-N%7CR-250%7CI-1%7CP-PRICE+descending%7CQ-descending%7CZ-41091&aff=national)...can we say "el drool"? Can't even see the whole car and it doesn't even matter! Mmmm...89T...

that has my old wheels!!!
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