Off-Topic Thread...

i think we are loosing wes. i never thought anybody would go from Z's to civics. i guess we all dont have sane minds.

delerious, stand outside with a fire extiguisher and fend that fire off.

Yea...I'd be standing outside with a hose or something...dunno how much good that'd do, if any, but hell...worth a try. I'd DEFINATELY start throwing all my expensive shit in my car and taking it to my parent's house...that's for SURE. In the second bedroom of my apt, I have probably around four grand in musical equipment...if something happened to it, someone would die...it'd be nearly impossible to replace it all...and you can never replace the sentimental value of some of it (my guitar that I got a GREAT deal on and had some custom work done to, my bass that's the first guitar I ever bought, my bass half stack that's...umm...seen....plenty of....things....lol...). Keep yourself safe, man. That's most important...but keep your shit safe, too!

Wes...I'm on your side...:p I like the Civic. Would I (along with everyone else, I think...lol) rather see you spend that money on another Z? Yea. But...that's still a cool car...regardless of the badge. It's not ricey and it's not slow. I really like the fact that it looks stock. It's cheap, too. Why's dude selling it so cheap? The next car I will get will either be another Z (Z31T or Z32) or a S14 240SX (if all goes as planned). Probably more likely that I'd get another Z cuz it's really quite difficult to find 240s. I can find Z cars really easy. But hell...if I had a good deal like that fall into my lap, I'd probably go for it, too.

i wouldnt mind a 240sx as a daily driver, but damn, they are becoming way overpriced. i am starting to see them go for almost as much as an N/A Z. seriously, who in their right mind would get a 240sx when they can spend the same amount of money and get a Z, people are crazy.

That's what I'd use the 240 for. They're fun cars and I LOVE the way they look. Plus, they're RWD...I don't think I'll ever own a FWD car after what happened to me in my Prelude. Loved that car, but I have a particular hatred for FWD now. I partially blame that for what happened. I found a nice 240 around here for sale and talked the dude down to a good price. Even got my dad to cosign so I was really thinking I was gunna get it. I was still driving my 86 turbo at the time cuz this was a little while after the Prelude accident and they wouldn't sell me the car cuz I had another car. I was like...what the fuck? It was fun to drive. I told them I wanted to take it to my mechanic...they just didn't know *I* am my mechanic...lol. I basically just drove it around town...went to the mall...took it home and showed my mom and sister...basically just cruised around in it listening for anything bad and all. I liked it. They really aren't that expensive...that one was only 5 grand and it was really nice...they're just kinda hard to find. Even harder to find one I like.

I really like this (http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=184472535&dealer_id=50997478&car_year=1996&make=NISSAN&distance=100&lang=en&max_price=&model=240SX&end_year=2006&min_price=&certified=&bkms=1125236415163&address=41091&search_type=both&advanced=&start_year=1995&isp=y&cardist=30) one, but I'm a little wary of the title. It may be ok, it may not...I'd have to look at it. Dude wouldn't return my e-mails and I don't feel like calling him.

But THIS (http://www.flzclub.com/forum/showthread.php?t=137) makes me cry like a little bitch...lol...WHY must I always find this shit when I DON'T HAVE ANY MONEY!? I find GREAT stuff like that ALL THE TIME when I'm broke...I SWEAR if I ever hit the lottery, every car I've ever wanted would disappear off the face of the planet.

HA HA HAAAAAAAAA HA HA HA HA (http://www.flash-gear.com/eye/eye.php?c=e&id=72567&k=49054472)...sorry, Jared...that's the first pic that came to mind...lol That site's kinda cool. Try it with your friend's pics.

^ enh, I don't really like 240's myself, I mean they're nicer on gas than a z is, but I mean you can buy a nice turbo'd z31 with lower miles for 5 grand, or a 121K 240 for the same price??? I'd just go with the z31 IMO, but that's just me... ohhh and.... haha I couldn't resist Wes, you brought this one upon yourself!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v233/xXxRocker5150/Car%20Related%20Photos/civicsifrontmount2lg.jpg

^ DAMN!!! That one backfired on me.... okay, well in case you can't read the caption, it says "Someone's goofy ass doesn't know how to take a picture :D"

j/k with ya tho, it's really clean lookin', but I'd rather see ya in a z.

Here comes a whole bunch of rambling...

Yea...I could use that 5 grand to get another Z31, but I've already had 3 of them...lol. I probably will ALWAYS have at LEAST one. Gunna need to get another Z of some kind to put my engine in when I'm done with it, anyway. I LOVE the cars...drive one now...would get another one in a heart beat but I'm still open to something else. I'm picky, but there's a few things I'd consider should the opportunity arise. It basically just comes down to what ever catches my eye first once I get some cash again. Will it be another Z31T? A Z32? A Z32TT? A 240? I dunno. Besides, I really liked the 240. It was pretty nice and it's nice having a newer car.

Something else I wouldn't mind getting, as odd as it may be, is a 84-86 Mustang SVO.

Before everyone freaks, let me set one thing straight. I hate run of the mill, plain, mediocre, boring cars. This is why 99% of domestics don't even make me flinch. I can count on 2 hands how many domestic cars I'd drive if they were given to me and I could easily count on one hand how many domestic cars I would be able to live with myself after actually PAYING for.

I'm sure most of you are at least somewhat familiar with my bitter hatred for those miserable, boring, all too common bacteria of the road that is the 94-04 shitstains...er...mustangs. I HATE 94-04 mustangs. The brand new ones haven't gotten on my nerves too badly yet and they are a huge improvement over the 94-04 ones in every way, but I'd still sell the fucker if one was given to me.

Now...for those of you that are unfamiliar with the SVO, as most people are...most people have NO clue what it is, I'll give you a little bit of info.

It's got a body sorta kinda like the Fox body mustangs, but not quite...it's a bit uglier. "What's the big deal with these? Why do you like these and not all mustangs, ya hypocrite?", you may be asking. Well...THESE are not only pretty rare (only made 4 model years of them...84, 85, 85.5, and 86 with total production number of only around 9100 TOTAL for ALL 4 years), but they're unique. Kinda fugly, yes, but form over function. They also handle well...something most Mustangs can NOT say.

That's all fine and dandy...I know. But...here's the best part. Look under the hood and your SMACKED in the face with the image of, not a boring, run of the mill, common, "hey it's a big engine, it has to be fast" V8...but instead that of a little 2.3L 4 BANGER! WITH A TURBO! AND AN INTERCOOLER!!! The little hood scoop most people believe to be for looks only is actually a functional feed for the intercooler. How many turbo 4 cylinder mustangs have you seen in your life? Yea...not many, if any. THAT'S what makes them kinda cool.

My Uncle had one of these cars that he picked up from who the fuck knows where (this is why I call him the car pimp...cars come and go faster in their household than beer in mine...) and I got to drive it before he got rid of it. Pretty fun car and it's SO easy to work on. The engine bay is big enough for a 5.0L V8 but instead has a dinky little 2.3L 4 cylinder in it...you could STAND in the engine bay between the front of the engine and the front of the engine bay...there's that much room in there. And the turbo's RIGHT on top...plumbing a boost controller would take 30 seconds in my sleep. It would be a fun toy for a while.

Am I gunna go run out and buy one of these? No...but it is a consideration. Has been since I drove his car 2 years ago or however the hell long ago it was. All in all...unique cars are usually pretty cool regardless of who made it. Yea...it's a Fix Or Repair Daily...it's still kinda cool.

http://selectim.hostingmidwest.com/05-999/EBAY.jpg
Ugly as sin...

huh, one of those are in my class at auto-x, i always destroy him, beat him by at least 5 seconds everytime. but as long as you keep your Z and dont get rid of it (*cough*wes*cough*), i guess its ok. personally, i have always tinkered with the idea of owning a 3.5L maxima, i would like to have one of those, but at least it is still a nissan.

Oh come on guys... I'm a Zed guy forever. I just can't afford to work on them. For the Blue Civic, I'll have to change the Injectors. No big deal, 5 minutes, tops. On a Zed? Ha... Better have another car to drive around for a few days.

I'm just saying, I'll have another Zed when I'm a bit older. So I can afford to put it in the shop, and say "I don't care what it costs, just have it done by tomarrow"... You know?

I'm by no means turning on you guys... I just found a much cheaper/easier way to go fast ;)

-Wes

I'm by no means turning on you guys... I just found a much cheaper/easier way to go fast ;)

-Wes

but its a civic, c'mon, they are economy cars. who cars if it is easier/cheaper, it is still a civic. like i have always said, i dont really care if your civic/neon can do 10s, it is still a civic/neon.

huh, one of those are in my class at auto-x, i always destroy him, beat him by at least 5 seconds everytime. but as long as you keep your Z and dont get rid of it (*cough*wes*cough*), i guess its ok. personally, i have always tinkered with the idea of owning a 3.5L maxima, i would like to have one of those, but at least it is still a nissan.

I love Maximas...just don't like the FWD. I really wouldn't mind getting one of the older ones that had a VG30E in it...even if it is FWD. Looked for one back in the day, but couldn't find one. Those are REALLY hard to find. They didn't hold up well at all. The ones you do fine look like hell.

Are you sure that's an SVO, man? Even if he has all the SVO specific body work, it could just be a regular mustang that is being a poser. They're not the fastest cars in the world stock, but they go pretty well...and talk about potential...engine's pretty over engineered and it's easy to work on...plus it's already intercooled. Stock for stock, they're about as fast as the Z31T, but the SVO is intercooled from the factory. Because of the factory intercooler, you could (in theory) get more out of it easier than you can with a Z31T. Plus, there's a switch in them that allows you to bump it up when you run higher octane fuel for a bit more oomph. It adjusts the timing and boost levels giving you 11psi (I think) in high octane mode and 5 or 6 (I think) in low octane mode...so you can run cheap gas if you want! That'd be nice these days. Fun fact: It was the first Intercooled car sold in the US.

it looks like the SVO, i have no idea if it actually is or not. but the SVO might be a cool car, but just like the civic is still a civic no matter what, a mustang is still a mustang. but it does sound like an interesting car.

See Jared... That's whats cool about it. It's JUST a Civic, but it can beat almost anything on the road. And it's still getting 23MPG :lol:

-Wes

thats whats not cool about it, its just a civic. guess we just have different views, but dont get me wrong, i respect it, but hell if i will ever modify one or even think about modifying one (i might own a civic just as a daily driver).

i'm on the same page as you jared... whereas it's fun to be able to make a civic go fast.. the novelty wears off after a while, and now it's just getting old... but whatever floats your boat i guess...

that mustang is sort of cool... i'd love to pwn punks with their 5.0L v8's with that thing then pop the hood and show them the 2.3L 4 banger:D.. it could be an svo auto-xing and the driver could just really suck or something...

as for the forest fire, it looks like they've prettymuch got it contained for now.. so as long as the wind doesn't pick up it should be ok... grew from 9 hectares to 25 overnight, but now they've got water bombers on it along with more crew and helicopters.. so everything is looking up... i was amazed at how fast we were able to get stuff packed up and ready to go... i had left my 88 at my buddy's house whose party i was at but i still loaded up the 86 with stuff and drove it as far away as possible and then headded back to the house (4 vehicles, 3 people... weee)

WES! With that money you can buy yourself a sweet NA!!!!!!!!!!!!! C'mon buddy!

check this out... i was thinking of a manifold design somewhat similar to this... to me it looks like one big surge tank... but who knows what he's got done up inside of there... not too sure about what he's done with the turbo tho... especially with that f'ugly stock manifold piping. just something to keep in mind tho... i doubt that will fit in the engine's stock location without some sort of hood scoop or lowering the engine down a bit... at least that's what he's said in there...

http://www.zcar.com/forums/read.php?f=2&i=134532&t=134373#reply_134532

Wow Delerious... Talk about some Fabrication work :eek:

It would certainly be a sweet set-up though.

-Wes

not really... to what i understand is it's just a sheet metal collector welded onto the stock base of the upper plenum with some fancy corners welded into the back for better flow with a piece of pipe stuck on the end of it and a 70mm (:D) tb stuck on the front of it... only real thing to worry about is getting all the pipes and stuff for the egr (haha yeah right) but the idle control and stuff.. i think that's what the bungs on the top of it are for but i'm not too sure... hopefully the guy's nice and gives up some of his design tips :D

oh and wes or k3 you might want to put this into the good z resources sticky.. it's got some good cheap-hack mods in it.. one of which i think i'll try if i get around to it (the "cold air intake" one... couldn't hurt :p)

http://www.zeeyalater.net/mods.htm#cai

here's another similar one that's for sale for some ridiculous price of $650 or something on ebay..

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v342/T66Z31/106-0699_IMG.jpg

Nice intake manifolds...I would get yourself one made for you winter project.

wes- get a Z.
LLZ - SVO= no comment from me

sup bitches just moved up to cleveland

sup bitches just moved up to cleveland

go "Browns"!!! :lol:

get one made? make it myself! just have to find someone to weld it for me... maybe convince my buddy to come back home for a weekend and weld me up some nice tubular manifolds as well :D having the tb moved up front should make piping easier to deal with..

should i use automatic tranny fluid for my power steering? i know the z32's need it but i was never sure about the z31's..

i would use power steering fluid for your power steering :wink:

the manual says "type Dexron" it's the same as the atf section, the only difference is in the atf section it also has "genuine nissan atf*1 or equivalent type Dexron" i just don't want to put the wrong stuff in and have to drain it. because that'd be a pain in the ass... especially with the location of the clamps in there...

i will check my manual tomorrow and the power steering fluid i use. there might just be different types of power steering fluid and dexron is one of them, i dont know. but i do know one thing, GODS SPEED TO NEW ORLEANS.

i think all Nissan's take Dexron III Transmission Fluid for the power steering. like most japanese imports...if it says Dexron, then it is a trans. fluid. but if you feel you need to make sure i can look in my manual also...it maye say something.

i think all Nissan's take Dexron III Transmission Fluid for the power steering. like most japanese imports...if it says Dexron, then it is a trans. fluid. but if you feel you need to make sure i can look in my manual also...it maye say something.

stfu.

stfu.

umm....why?

i was just messin around cuz i thought you were poking fun at me with "but if you feel you need to make sure i can look in my manual also...it maye say something."

i was just messin around cuz i thought you were poking fun at me with "but if you feel you need to make sure i can look in my manual also...it maye say something."

oh no...that was for delerious. he is a stickler when it comes to making sure everything is perfect. if he doesnt know for fact he isnt going to do it...:D

ahhh, lol, i thought you were going back to the oil capacity thread. anyways, my power steering feels a little sluggish and i have always been using power steering fluid, so do you think using that instead of dexron could be whats wrong.

ahhh, lol, i thought you were going back to the oil capacity thread. anyways, my power steering feels a little sluggish and i have always been using power steering fluid, so do you think using that instead of dexron could be whats wrong.

could be....regular power steering fluid is a bit lighter in viscosity than ATF. i would drain it and switch to ATF. Nissan says to use it for the Z32.

i might do that. to drain the power steering fluid, would you just undo a hose or is there a plug to do it?

so jason hows the swap goin ? you almost done ?
i dont have my car up here at college and it sucks, i miss my Z more than my family

get one made? make it myself! just have to find someone to weld it for me... maybe convince my buddy to come back home for a weekend and weld me up some nice tubular manifolds as well :D having the tb moved up front should make piping easier to deal with..

...and a set for ME, riiiiiiiiiiight? :iceslolan

I think that after I get the block and heads back from getting machined, I'm just going to go talk to my mechanic. My dad and I have been taking our cars there since we moved here and he's really good. Sure we could work out some cool stuff. He's really smart when it comes to this stuff, so I know that the stuff we'd come up with wouldn't just maybe be better flowing and a performance enhancer...it definately would...cuz the stock intake and exhaust manifolds have got to go. Plus, if I had some made, I could work an I/C into the works while I was at it.

Just use regular power steering fluid, D.

i might do that. to drain the power steering fluid, would you just undo a hose or is there a plug to do it?

maybe jack it ip and try to undo a lower hose running to the turning machanism itself. you will probably get alot more fluid out that way. the hoses run down the passenger side fender wall and right behind the AC line, right next to the front sway bar.

as for the TT swap...need to find time to work on it, which i dont think is gonna happen. i will be on 12's the next couple months sad to say and 12 hour shifts do not leave me a whole lot of time to do anything, let alone work on the car. so a shall be raking in money but what is the point of having money if you dont have a Z to spend it on. :lol: so...basically i am pondering on taking to either UltimateZ or SpeedyFreak of Chicago and have them put the finishing touches on it. I think i am gonna give Speedy Freak a try because he is quite a bit closer and he supposedly has done these conversions many of times. plus, he has a single owner shop so i could probably work out a deal with him instead of paying a flat hourly fee which adds up.

well wish me luck guys on whatever i do...if i take it some place, i plan to not have it take more than a couple days to finish up as it is basically done.

i wanted to finish this so bad...but time is not prevailing to be on my side.

i hope you get it finished as soon as possible. by the way, are those black kazeras that you have on your Z?!?!? i love kazeras.

i think i'm going to try out the atf fluid.. if my pump explodes i'll know for next time to use regular fluid:p

anyway... does anyone know how to stop a brake from dragging? if it was my rear one i'd be fine but it's my front left one and it's making a really annoying squeak squeak sound wherever i drive until it gets hot enough and stops squeaking.. either way it's fucking annoying and i want to fix it asap lol

i hope you get it finished as soon as possible. by the way, are those black kazeras that you have on your Z?!?!? i love kazeras.

yeah...they are. i like them alot better than my old wheels. they give it a nicer tuner look but still classy. my other wheels were too luxury and i never really cared for them. so yes...i am very happy with these wheels.

so yeah...i talked to David at Speedy Freak. he is gonna fit me in next week and finish it off. sorry guys...i just dont have the time. i kind of feel like shit coming this far and not finishing it myself. :(

oh well k3, its all good. if i did a TT swap right now, i know i would be getting tons of help from my dad and friends.

oh well k3, its all good. if i did a TT swap right now, i know i would be getting tons of help from my dad and friends.
yeah atleast i did the hard stuff myself. :D
i highly recommend you sell your N/A and buy a TT. it really isnt worth it, especially in your case beings you already have a 2 seater so nothing would be rare about it. unless you were going for the whole N/A look with the TT motor. but yes...that is my :2cents:

but the thing with that is, i cant get rid of my car, i am too attached to my Z. i will have to do the TT swap because i could never sell my Z.

Hey, I gotta quick question for you guys... since I don't have an LSD, when I do upgrade my LSD, would it be worth it to try and get the viscous LSD or just a regular one??? Thanks for your inputs

Don't the Z31's already come with a VLSD?

but the thing with that is, i cant get rid of my car, i am too attached to my Z. i will have to do the TT swap because i could never sell my Z.

i understand freak...make sure you spend the money and get a front clip from a very reputable place. trust me...piecing it together saves you almost no money and in most peoples case will cost more. plus, its getting harder and harder to find a decent price on some parts like intercooler piping. here in the US, those few pipes are gold because so many people are turning their N/A's in to TT's. there is a company making hardpipes now but they want like $800 for the set.

i am pretty sure LSD will be LSD. in some cases i think VLSD is the best but in other cases regular LSD would be fine. but in your case like most of ours you wont tell a difference.

can the N/A Z32's rear diff be swapped in with minor modification?

you'll want to use the lsd from other 87-89's.. it should be a direct bolt in... there's a bit about it on az-zbum's site... just lemmie find it..

The only Z31 models that came with an LSD were the 87-89 Turbo models and the only Z31 that came with a VLSD was the 88SS...good luck finding one of those. VLSD is a bit better for handling because it's not as solid of a connection. Having your 2 rear wheels locked when going around turns tends to hurt cornering abilities. I think this is why Nissan put open diffs on most Z31s...guess they thought the NA Z31s wouldn't need the extra traction to begin with and decided to just go for handling. Clutch LSD is better for straight line uses because it's a more solid connection. I'd kinda like to put a Detroit Locker on the car I build...just to be different...lol

Some good info:

I love this site... (http://auto.howstuffworks.com/differential.htm)
Want a new R200? (http://www.courtesyparts.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Store_Code=CP&Category_Code=z31_nismo_limitedslip)

I'd kinda like to put a Detroit Locker on the car I build...just to be different...lol[/URL]

I've been playing with the idea of putting a Ford 9" inch rear-end in a Z... not so sure about in an NA Z though.... funny thing is I have my old Mustang just sitting in my mom's back-yard. That C4 AT and Ford 9" is just waiting for someone to pull it out and swap into an all out drag Z!!!

http://300zxclub.com/showthread.php?t=60663&highlight=Ford+9+inch

It would definately have advantages on the 1/4 mile... but like LLtZ mentioned it would hurt the Z's conering capabilty. This mod would probably be better suited for a track only Drag Z.

See...I wouldn't wanna do that...that's a bit much. You'd turn a Z that handles pretty well into a peesashit...no more IRS, no more well-suited differential...you'd BETTER only be planning on using the car for the 1/4.

Some more good reading:

http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm#nospin

Ideally, I'd like to get a remote-locking diff. That way, when I'm at the track or wanting to do a burn out or something, I can flip a switch and it's locked like a mo-fo...then, when I'm driving normally or at a track where there are some turns, I can just leave it open. Even better is the detroit locker on the bottom of the page above...it's kinda like I describe above, but instead of it being completely open when not fully locked, it operates as a regular diff. THAT would be the best.

See...I wouldn't wanna do that...that's a bit much. You'd turn a Z that handles pretty well into a peesashit...no more IRS, no more well-suited differential...you'd BETTER only be planning on using the car for the 1/4.


It would still handle better than a FF car though... ;)

but why go to the hassle of swapping in a solid diff when you can just swap in a Nissan VSLD that was made for the car. i bet if you really wanted a Z31 with VSLD, you could go to nissan and order one from a Shiro brand new. you compare this to the cost of swapping in a foreign rear end, and you have a better LSD for most situations.

i dont think any of us want a full blown drag Z with a 9" for read end running 8's except for maybe Jorge, but he doesnt count because wis fiance takes all his money. :lol:

Chaddup, Byatch! :)

It's just a thought I'm playing with... in case I ever wanted to... I have the parts sitting in my dead 'Stang.

well the thing about the LSD's are; you only need the half shafts and the VSLD to make that switch, so it's not like it's anything more major... but I mean, I want somthing for both draging and for good handling, so I was thinking the VSLD would be my best bet (I'm sure they're almost impossible to find tho).

See...I wouldn't wanna do that...that's a bit much. You'd turn a Z that handles pretty well into a peesashit...no more IRS, no more well-suited differential...you'd BETTER only be planning on using the car for the 1/4.

Some more good reading:

http://www.tractech.com/Products.htm#nospin

Ideally, I'd like to get a remote-locking diff. That way, when I'm at the track or wanting to do a burn out or something, I can flip a switch and it's locked like a mo-fo...then, when I'm driving normally or at a track where there are some turns, I can just leave it open. Even better is the detroit locker on the bottom of the page above...it's kinda like I describe above, but instead of it being completely open when not fully locked, it operates as a regular diff. THAT would be the best.

how much does one of those cost, and does it bolt up pretty easily to a regular clutch type lsd????

Why not just swap in a Z31 lsd? I might do this. And if I did, I'd do a clutch type because it's a bit better at transferring traction evenly between the wheels than the VSLD is. Depends on how easy it is to put something else aftermarket in. I don't know how hard it will be, yet. One site I read seemed to offer a full locking kit that reused most of the parts that are in your OE diff. That might be very doable and, if I'm not mistaken, it was less than $300...SWEET. That's cheaper than a new R200!

I wouldn't want a Ford rear end or do anything that extreme...don't wanna go THAT far with the "drag only" mentality, nor do I want to dump THAT much money into this, either. My goal is a car that *I* designed and built (as much as possible for me, at least), that will run ______ *insert low 1/4 mile time here* (10s would be nice), be good at the auto crossing track and still be able to be driven on the street EVERY DAY some what comfortably and practically if I should get the urge to do so.

Went to a little car show sunday that is held at a local ice cream shop ever sunday or two or three or something like that. Wanted to see what was there and I thought it would get my mind off how bad my throat hurt at the time (I have a BAD cold going FULL SWING right now and it SUCKS). Saw some pretty cool cars there. I'm gunna bring up 2 now to illustrate a point:

1: Nasty ass 94-99-body-style mustang --- All primer colored minus some patches of "paint" here and there. Running NO exhaust (loud as hell...probably just had headers and that's it). Had ONE seat. Looked like ass. But it was probably reasonably fast...Dumb shit did a fly by in front of the ice cream shop on a MAJOR 5 LANE HIGHWAY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE AFTERNOON...AND, to top it off, come to find out, he had some dude in the back holding onto the roll cage (you know...since there was only 1 seat in the thing...) It was so loud...irritating as hell. Was it fast-ish? Looked like it...but was it anywhere in the REALM of comfortable or practical? Hell no...one seat...no interior...roll cage. Would I do something like that, maybe...comfort is a pretty relative term. But was it PRACTICAL? Probably not. So loud you'd get pulled over 5 times a day. Had to be getting about 3.45 miles per gallon. And the icing on the cake is that it was no where near street legal...aside from the lack of exhaust, he had full drag slicks on it.

2: REALLY nice blown Nova I've seen around town a few times. HUGE blower sticking out of the hood. This thing was an all out drag car. Tubbed wheel wells...huge slicks (*BUT THEY WERE CHEATERS*)...whole nine yards. Getting to see the thing up close for the first time, I relized that it even had a full stereo system including subs and amps and all...even though it DIDN'T have the full interior, which I thought was pretty cool in a car like that. BUT...would it be comfortable? Probably not too bad in this area...even had a nice stereo! Now...would it be practical? HEEEEEEEEEEELL no...no way...don't know how street legal the thing was, cheater slicks or not, and it HAS to be getting even WORSE gas mileage than the car above.

Now...would I build my car with a stripped interior and one seat? Maybe...maybe not...it'd be easier to do it that way than try to keep it and make it look good and it could still remain relatively comfortable. Would I dump 2037498273048 bucks into it like dude with car #2 (who was an ass hole, by the way) did? No...that cuts into the practicality...if I have to go into debt up to my eyeballs, how practical is it? To me, the ideal car is this:

Car that's pretty unique. Don't want ANOTHER mustang...don't want ANOTHER camaro...get my drift?

Car that's fast as fuck, but balanced...not just in a straight line or in the turns or on the freeway or whatever...has to be balanced.

Car that's livable. Now...I'd want it comfortable. Comfortable is a pretty relative term because comfortable to dude in car #1 may make me wince in discomfort and may be plush to you. I dunno. Generally speaking, it has to be at least somewhat livable...one seat or not...interior or not...a/c or not.

Car that's practical. It can't DRINK GAS like I drink beer on a holiday weekend...it also can't be so loud that you're getting pulled over all the time...stuff like that...

That basically sums it up...all I can think of for now. I just see people with all out drag cars and it just doesn't impress me too much. If you can't drive it to the track and home and some of the time in between, then it just loses some of its impressing factor. If you've sunk 2975273402839847234 bucks into your car, then wheee....you've bought a really fast car....anyone can do that. But if you've BUILT and/or DESIGNED your car that you drive back and forth to the strip and autocrossing from time to time and back and forth to work once in a while...a car that's no slouch in every facet of performance....a car that's a bit unique...THEN you've REALLY got something. THIS is what I'm going for.

llz i think you just completely summed up everything that was going through the z's father's mind when he was designing the car...