Off-Topic Thread...

LOL.

There you go Delerious, resort to petty insults because you don't have anything relevant to debate with. Congratulations, why don't you go watch some pro-wrestling or something.

14.3 1/4 mile in a TT Z? Who did they have driving it? There is plenty of people that have gotten dead stock TTs into the mid-13s. Slip the clutch a bit in first so you don't spin the tires through the first sixty feet and there you go. Incompetence or bias, it's one of the two.

Or maybe it's possible the track wasn't completely dry? If you notice the R32 launched in wet conditions. Can't tell in the video very well that the other cars launched in the dry or wet.


At the track the Z was in front and the lolskylame wasn't really making up ground on it until about the two minute mark when the Zs driver takes a right hander ridiculously wide and the lolskylame goes around on the inside. And frankly if you call getting beat by 1 1/2 seconds a "wiping of the floor" then your views on racing are very distorted.


Yeah, so the Z32 driver flubbed up and the Skyline got by. Maybe the Z32 lost traction and had to go wide letting the Skyline take the inside line and go past. Ok sure... that's plausible. But, if the Z32 is as Godly as you make it out to be, then why could it not keep up?

And excuse me, over the course of 5 laps the R32 put on a sizeable lead. How could you not see it? Those times at the end were best laps not total time, and the R32 had a best lap of 1.44 seconds faster than the Z32s best lap. A pace of 1.4 seconds faster... that's pretty decent. In the racing world that's huge.

Thank you for proving my point that lolskylames cost more than Zs even today.


R32 and R33 Skylines are priced in US dollars. That's right where USDM Z32 TT's are priced for fair to good condition examples ($7500 - $15000). Of course that's not including costs of shipping and legalizing the car... which can drive the prices higher than we'd all like. But, that's the price you pay for a unique car... and dare I say better car.

And yes, the Skyline GTR was and will ALWAYS be higher priced than the Z. It was Nissans flagship car afterall.


I suggest you take your ignorance elsewhere.

lol i'm just saying man, not trying to insult.. now get bent

Jesus Christ Jason... I thought you were smarter than that. :rolleyes:

Hey, why not just kill all republicans and save America the headache.

-Wes


I wanna see you guys try... I'm no push-over. :wink:

Yes... OVER-RATED! I'm with you on this one, Broke.

Or maybe it's possible the track wasn't completely dry? If you notice the R32 launched in wet conditions. Can't tell in the video very well that the other cars launched in the dry or wet.

Then that would need to be cleared up to determine whether the 1/4 mile test shown was on a level field. Also knowing how the cars were being launched should be included.

Yeah, so the Z32 driver flubbed up and the Skyline got by. Maybe the Z32 lost traction and had to go wide letting the Skyline take the inside line and go past. Ok sure... that's plausible. But, if the Z32 is as Godly as you make it out to be, then why could it not keep up?

If the car lost traction it's because the driver went into the corner too fast. Again, driver error. And a second and a half lap difference is hardly being left in the dust. Considering lolskylame has the advantages of:

1. Being lighter (~3150-~3250lbs vs ~3400lbs depending on where you're reading)
2. AWD
3. What was rumored to be more power (320hp vs 300hp)
4. A higher redline (8000 rpm vs 7000 rpm)
5. Lower gearing (4.11 vs 3.692)

I'd say the Z did pretty damn good for itself.

And now, DO NOT TRY TO PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH. Did I ever say the Z32 was godly? No. I even specifically mentioned the GT-R was a better performer.

Consider also that at it's peak the lolskylame was pushing damn near twice the price of a Z and only a bit ahead on any test of performance.

What you want to think I'm saying and what I'm actually saying are two different things. Respond to the latter, not the former.

And excuse me, over the course of 5 laps the R32 put on a sizeable lead. How could you not see it? Those times at the end were best laps not total time, and the R32 had a best lap of 1.44 seconds faster than the Z32s best lap. A pace of 1.4 seconds faster... that's pretty decent. In the racing world that's huge.

Maybe at Le Mans where the 1.4 seconds can stack up it might be huge but that is a one mistake difference in any other race. Given that the Z driver was being a dumbass and sliding around the track like he'd watched too much Intial D (yes I know it didn't exist when that was filmed) I would say get a proper driver in both cars and the Z would do better. In fact, put a 4.083 non-turbo rear differential in the Z and maybe an extra psi or two from the turbos and I'd wager the otherwise stock Z could at least tie or even beat a stock lolR32skylame around a track.

R32 and R33 Skylines are priced in US dollars. That's right where USDM Z32 TT's are priced for fair to good condition examples ($7500 - $15000). Of course that's not including costs of shipping and legalizing the car... which can drive the prices higher than we'd all like. But, that's the price you pay for a unique car... and dare I say better car.

And yes, the Skyline GTR was and will ALWAYS be higher priced than the Z. It was Nissans flagship car afterall.

Again, thank you for pointing out that lolskylames are more expensive than Zs. And I was refering to original MSRP not current market prices but either way the Z tends to be cheaper.

I suggest you take your ignorance elsewhere.

I suggest you take your completely unwarranted arrogance and go back to watching Topgear, another place where reality is what its creators want it to be.

lol i'm just saying man, not trying to insult.. now get bent

I think you misunderstand the meaning the word insult (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/insult). If you think I'm "bitter" because I will spend a half hour typing a response to back up a statement I have made then I suggest you look up the meaning of that word too.

i don't get what the whole point of this arguement is? redneck was saying that a GTR is faster then a Z,

brokea** said thats because the GTR cost more. and agrees that it should cost more becasue its nissan's flag ship, so it HAS to COST more and HAS to be FASTER.

if anyone here is confusing the hier archy of nissan performance cars and place the Z a higher rank than the GTR they need to wake up. the Z never broke any record on the nurburgring or even came close.

the Z32 was designed to be a grand tourer from the factory, the GTR was designed to be a homologated race special. thats why its interior sucks and people argue that its ugly. a stock Z will never ever touch 12's in the 1/4 mile stock. most Z's i see do run 14's stock, and with the exception of a few really good drivers can squeeze high to mid 13's out of them.

the GTR's stock 1/4 mile range is mid 13's to high 12's. again, is another step up from the Z. the Z has small brakes, even the tiny R32 GTR brakes are bigger then the Z32's and thats in a car thats 300 lbs less. while the Z32 just became a dead end car after it was released with very little refinement or performance improvement over its life cycle, nissan made a new GTR every 4-5 years.

again if anyone here is arguing about the internal rankings of nissan, look at the new GTR, will anyone argue that Nissan cares more about the Z than the GTR? what real racing historical mile stone in pro racing has the Z32 ever ranked world wide? the GTR has a full load of throphys and was banned in austrialia and japan while the Z hasn't really show any unfair advantage over its rivals.

over here you said

If the car lost traction it's because the driver went into the corner too fast. Again, driver error. And a second and a half lap difference is hardly being left in the dust. Considering lolskylame has the advantages of:

1. Being lighter (~3150-~3250lbs vs ~3400lbs depending on where you're reading)
2. AWD
3. What was rumored to be more power (320hp vs 300hp)
4. A higher redline (8000 rpm vs 7000 rpm)
5. Lower gearing (4.11 vs 3.692)

I'd say the Z did pretty damn good for itself.

your telling me that doens't make a car a damn bit faster? you just proved the stig's point by pointing out all the advantage the slowest GTR out of the R3X range. that R32 wasn't even a V-spec II with better aero, better AWD software and hardware and brembo F40 calipers if i remember correctly. a NSX-R first gen will obilerate a Z32 around any track. but the R32 v-spec II is a pretty close match for it.

now during that Bestmotoring video that the stig showed, the reason why i see the RWD's sliding so much was that the tire technology wasn't that great back then, the cars weighted over 3500lbs, such as the MA70 and the Z32 with too little tire. so they have no choice but to slide it alittle bit becasue their cornering speed exceeded the gripe of those 17 year old tire tech and design. the GTR runs on those same tire tech, so it had the AWD to help pull it out of the corners waaay harder than any RWD's of the time.

Ugh, Thank you Tat.

Now, can we move on?

let me add another thing stig,

1.4 seconds per lap around a tiny track such as Tsukuba is a life time. to give you an idea of what is needed to improve 1.4 seconds usually involves better tires, bolt ons, and suspension. that is alot of work just to shave 1.4 seconds off.

i don't get what the whole point of this arguement is? redneck was saying that a GTR is faster then a Z,

brokea** said thats because the GTR cost more. and agrees that it should cost more becasue its nissan's flag ship, so it HAS to COST more and HAS to be FASTER.

Redneck wasn't a part of this. This piece started a page ago on post 6529 when The Stig questioned the reliability of the VG motor at higher power levels. To which I brought several examples of high powered stock motors and denounced the lolskylame as the most overrated car ever. Through a combination of skewed logic and lack of reading comprehention The Stig assumed I was saying that the Z was faster than the lolskylame. The comparison video was then brought up which was described as the lolskylame "wiping the floor" with the Z. I then provided reasons as to why that is about as accurate as stating the sky is brown.

the Z32 was designed to be a grand tourer from the factory, the GTR was designed to be a homologated race special.

And given all that to its advantage it was still only marginally faster than the Z and that is exactly why I say it's overrated.

most Z's i see do run 14's stock, and with the exception of a few really good drivers can squeeze high to mid 13's out of them.

You don't have to be a "really good" driver, you just have to know what you're doing.

again if anyone here is arguing about the internal rankings of nissan, look at the new GTR, will anyone argue that Nissan cares more about the Z than the GTR? what real racing historical mile stone in pro racing has the Z32 ever ranked world wide? the GTR has a full load of throphys and was banned in austrialia and japan while the Z hasn't really show any unfair advantage over its rivals.

What are you talking about? When did anyone mention "How much Nissan loves either car". For the record, Japan and Austraila were the ONLY places where the lolskylame was raced. Everywhere else the Z was raced, at places of no consequence or importance like, oh, I don't know, Le Mans, where they won their class several years in a row.

your telling me that doens't make a car a damn bit faster?

Another person who can't read...I never said it WASN'T faster, in fact I said it was. What I'm saying is that with all the advantages it has on paper ending up just 1.4 seconds ahead is not that impressive. Thus I stated the lolskylame is by far one of the most overrated cars ever.

Everyone see if they can wrap their heads around this:

A car doesn't have to be slow to be overrated.

you just proved the stig's point

No, I just proved my point that it was faster by not that much and more expensive by quite alot. I compared it to the R32 BECAUSE THATS WHAT WAS IN THE VIDEO AND THATS THE CAR THE STIG BROUGHT UP! Now if you want to go comparing a Z to later lolskylames that cost damn near twice as much go ahead, then you can start comparing Camaros to Corvettes and Intergras to NSXs while your at it.

1.4 seconds per lap around a tiny track such as Tsukuba is a life time. to give you an idea of what is needed to improve 1.4 seconds usually involves better tires, bolt ons, and suspension. that is alot of work just to shave 1.4 seconds off.

A "life-time"? Now you're just exaggerating. Like I said, a stock Z with a 4.083 differential and a bit more boost vs a stock lolR32skylamegtr would be a very close comparison if not a win for the Z.

Is a lolskylamegtr of any year faster than a Z? Yes, considering they are lighter, more powerful, rev higher, are lower geared, all wheel drive and cost a shit load more I would certainly hope they are faster. With all the advantages they have the fact that they are not a shit load faster makes them overrated.

well to each his own. we all are entitled to our opinions.

sigh

tat your sig is creepy... :uhoh:

if anyone here is confusing the hier archy of nissan performance cars and place the Z a higher rank than the GTR they need to wake up. the Z never broke any record on the nurburgring or even came close.

again if anyone here is arguing about the internal rankings of nissan, look at the new GTR, will anyone argue that Nissan cares more about the Z than the GTR? what real racing historical mile stone in pro racing has the Z32 ever ranked world wide? the GTR has a full load of throphys and was banned in austrialia and japan while the Z hasn't really show any unfair advantage over its rivals.


Um... that GTR that ran Nurburgring wasn't stock just to let everyone know. It was running higher boost and was tuned. i would consider this an unfair advantage. But I'm sure all the fan-boys will argue against this. :wink: Now if we want to talk about modded cars then I can name a couple of races that the GTR has not beat the Z32 in.

As far as the Totem-Pole Position of Nissan? That would really depend of geographical location. The Fairlady Z (in general) was always marketed towards the US rather than Japan. Why would a Japanese based Company give a second glance to a car marketed towards a foreign country? Of course... it was only natrual to use all resources and R&D to up the hype in Japan (where the majority of these cars are sold)? Look at the Z32... it was featured in the IMSA races, etc. here in the States. Why is that? Adding to that: that particular car seemed to beat some records and won it's class if I remember correctly...

Anyhow... the Z has always been the unappreciated-bastard child of Nissan (compared to the GTR)... who doesn't know this? So what? It takes a special breed to apprecaite this car and it's potential. wanna prove to the world that this is a great car? Get your projects on the road! If we all were mindless, trend-jumping queers we'd be driving Supra's or saving up for a GTR............................................... ..............................

Now let's kill some GTR's and Supra's! :) :naughty:

This is fun. :rofl:

-Wes

bottom line is, the gtr was made to be a race car, the z was made to be a gt touring car, the gtr will be faster in almost all situations... stock for stock the gtr will eat the z in most situations. they both take amazingly to mods, and to say the z32 was the bastard child of the z series is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard... try owning a z31 fool...

anyway, they're both amazing cars, lets drop it at that...

I'd say that's a good way to end the arguement... Both cars are amazing, bottom line.

-Wes

Redneck wasn't a part of this. This piece started a page ago on post 6529 when The Stig questioned the reliability of the VG motor at higher power levels. To which I brought several examples of high powered stock motors and denounced the lolskylame as the most overrated car ever. Through a combination of skewed logic and lack of reading comprehention The Stig assumed I was saying that the Z was faster than the lolskylame. The comparison video was then brought up which was described as the lolskylame "wiping the floor" with the Z. I then provided reasons as to why that is about as accurate as stating the sky is brown.



Um, I am Redneck383... I had my name changed about a month ago?

And the remark I made about reliability wasn't about the VG, it was about putting 500whp reliably to the ground. Meaning Traction. Which is why I jokingly mentioned the GT-R was superior.

You must of missed that bit oh wise one. ;)

Read read it again... see for yourself

Skyline > Z


GT-R FTW!

:lol:

Sorry homie, but you may get yourself 500whp, but will you be able to reliably put it down to some use?

AWD GT-R FTW x 2!!!

I never made mention of the ol mighty VG. I know it can make the power. That isn't questioned, what is, is finding the traction to make it useful....






... but then again, who ever said being traction limited wasn't fun?:smokin:

i did not read everyone's posts but i can say that the skyline isnt nissan flagship car. it just happens to be there race car breed. the Z is obviously the flagship car of the 90s beings they offered it world wide...this will change when the new GTR comes beings it will be marketed worldwide.

also, just because the GTR is a better performer doesnt mean it isnt overrated. the rating of a car has more to do with what people say and act about it rather than which performs better. in a sense, ferrari is overrated becuase most people think they are godly, has nothing to do with performance because there are many cars that perform as well or better costing several hundred thousand less. it has to do with people's views about the car...

the GTR is the better performer as nissan designed it...but...for how much to a disadvantage the Z is, it handles itself quite well.

so to sum up...overrated has little to do with how well it performs. its people's idea of the car...

its people's idea of the car...

i'd say it's more society's idea than people's... because it was not manufactured in the US it makes it that much more of a 'legend' because it's unattainable for most.. therefore when people do see the car they go hog wild over it because it's most likely the first one they've seen in person..

does that add in the hype of the car? most definitely it does, but it doesn't take away from its achievments and statistics... however, of course some riceburners are going to think it's the best thing since sliced bread... but then again, some people think that about neons...

you've just got to ignore the mainstream..

i'd say it's more society's idea than people's... because it was not manufactured in the US it makes it that much more of a 'legend' because it's unattainable for most.. therefore when people do see the car they go hog wild over it because it's most likely the first one they've seen in person..

does that add in the hype of the car? most definitely it does, but it doesn't take away from its achievments and statistics... however, of course some riceburners are going to think it's the best thing since sliced bread... but then again, some people think that about neons...

you've just got to ignore the mainstream..
so...your saying you agree that it is overrated despite that it is a great performer? then my point was made...

all depends on who you ask... i definitely don't think it's overrated.. i think it's an amazing car and probably the best to come out of the early 90's for its price tag and bang for buck performance, as well as bulletproof reliability.

i think everyone's just got the r34 fast furious crap still in their heads.... i try not to pay attention

all depends on who you ask... i definitely don't think it's overrated.. i think it's an amazing car and probably the best to come out of the early 90's for its price tag and bang for buck performance, as well as bulletproof reliability.

i think everyone's just got the r34 fast furious crap still in their heads.... i try not to pay attention
right...we are talking about everyone here. not you!

maybe its just stateside...you have to hear these kids talk about skylines to understand how overrated it is here.

And the remark I made about reliability wasn't about the VG, it was about putting 500whp reliably to the ground. Meaning Traction. Which is why I jokingly mentioned the GT-R was superior.

Why would use the word "reliability" in terms of traction?

bang for buck performance, as well as bulletproof reliability.



BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Oh man.... that was funny... Do you have any idea how many R32 GTRs there are that shit themsleves? They are rolling time bombs. The editor of one of Australias biggest import mags was suggesting people to AVIOD buying them because they so likey to break. R33's and 34s, yes, they are quite reliable but they are VERY expensive to fix if something does go wrong.

Bang for buck performance? Depends on where you live. A Z32 TT manual is about 13k over here in good condition. A R32 GTR is about 26k. Literally double the price. There is NO WAY is is twice as good.

Yes GTRs are good cars BUT there are other cars that are also good for a lot less.

i'd say it's more society's idea than people's... because it was not manufactured in the US it makes it that much more of a 'legend' because it's unattainable for most.. therefore when people do see the car they go hog wild over it because it's most likely the first one they've seen in person..


*Stands up and applauds*

I think you hit the nail on the head there. From what I can understand, the US is going "J-spec" crazy atm. Skylines are now the "greatest car" to own. This has quite a lot to do with that simple fact 'you always want what you cant have.' As K3 will attest, I would LOVE to get me a C5 Corvette! That is one of my most wanted cars of all time. Your all laughing now because you hate them and see them everyday. I have seen 2 in Australia before. They retail for about $100,000 over here still. Part of their awesomeness is their rarity. I see 93129476102908718164 skylines a week. They are nothing to me. An over rated japanese import that I used to get kicks out of beating in races. I can understand why the Us has gone "j-spec crazy' but you have to see through the hype too. Skylines can be fast but they DEFINATELY arent the be all and end all.

BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!

Oh man.... that was funny... Do you have any idea how many R32 GTRs there are that shit themsleves? They are rolling time bombs. The editor of one of Australias biggest import mags was suggesting people to AVIOD buying them because they so likey to break. R33's and 34s, yes, they are quite reliable but they are VERY expensive to fix if something does go wrong.

Bang for buck performance? Depends on where you live. A Z32 TT manual is about 13k over here in good condition. A R32 GTR is about 26k. Literally double the price. There is NO WAY is is twice as good.

Yes GTRs are good cars BUT there are other cars that are also good for a lot less.



*Stands up and applauds*

I think you hit the nail on the head there. From what I can understand, the US is going "J-spec" crazy atm. Skylines are now the "greatest car" to own. This has quite a lot to do with that simple fact 'you always want what you cant have.' As K3 will attest, I would LOVE to get me a C5 Corvette! That is one of my most wanted cars of all time. Your all laughing now because you hate them and see them everyday. I have seen 2 in Australia before. They retail for about $100,000 over here still. Part of their awesomeness is their rarity. I see 93129476102908718164 skylines a week. They are nothing to me. An over rated japanese import that I used to get kicks out of beating in races. I can understand why the Us has gone "j-spec crazy' but you have to see through the hype too. Skylines can be fast but they DEFINATELY arent the be all and end all.
agreed...cant argue with simple logic.

btw: corvettes suck ass! i counted 22 on a 25 mile trip to Orland Park. thats almost 1 per mile on the highway. c'mon...if i ever were to own a vette, the thing would have to be shipped to lingelfelter just to stand out and even then, i would get tired of seeing it.

btw: corvettes suck ass! i counted 22 on a 25 mile trip to Orland Park. thats almost 1 per mile on the highway. c'mon...if i ever were to own a vette, the thing would have to be shipped to lingelfelter just to stand out and even then, i would get tired of seeing it.

Sounds like you've never driven one. I've yet to hear anyone dismiss a Vette after getting a ride.

to say the z32 was the bastard child of the z series is one of the dumbest things i've ever heard... try owning a z31 fool...

anyway, they're both amazing cars, lets drop it at that...


I said: "the Z has always been the unappreciated-bastard child of Nissan ..." :wink:

Why would use the word "reliability" in terms of traction?

I'm not sure why you have to be so argumentative about everything somebody says.

Anyways... if you want to argue specifics, I didn't say 'reliability', I said "Can you reliably get the power down?"

Which makes perfect sense in the context of traction. If it doesn't make sense to you, then I'm sorry.

^ Kinda Off-Topic ^

LoL

But I was wondering what mods you have on your new S30, Red (just realized it was you... BTW I want a name change too!). What are the plans?? I'm still having a hell of time finding a nice S30 myself....

I'm not sure why you have to be so argumentative about everything somebody says.

What else is AF good for?

Midget porn. :)

-Wes

Sounds like you've never driven one. I've yet to hear anyone dismiss a Vette after getting a ride.

driven one...felt like a boat. my uncle owns a C4, its a piece of garbage. handles well, accellerates well, but still is garbage...i just didnt like it. felt like i was sitting in a slammed chevy cavalier. interior is garbage...sorry, i just dont like vettes. :lol:

so...i went bike shopping today and talked to one of the sales reps who is an avid rider and it seems that my best bet may be a Gixxer750. i had my heart set on a 929RR (they didnt have any in at that time) but after sitting on a 1999 900RR and a brand new CBR1000RR, they are awfully bulky and intimidating. the GSXR750 just felt so good between my legs and it seems that these things are wheelie monsters. anyways, i said on alot of bikes and i must say the Kawasaki 600cc is amazing in a powder coated blue color. it looks absolutely beautiful...just wish kawasaki made a mid-range bike like a 700-800cc. i dont think i want a full liter bike but i know i want more than a 600 too.

any other suggestions i may be willing to entertain. this place was also a ducati dealer...i walked by and admired but knew that they are not for me so i didnt give them much thought. they are getting prettier though...

don't do it..

don't do it..

:D Travis, i will leave my motor to you in my will, so dont fret good buddy! :lol:

if anything does happen to me, you can have a quality VG to swap in something. DOHC Twin Cam FTW! :lol: j/k

Ducati 999. :D

Honestly, I'll never own a bike... Not because they scare me, no. But because the people in my town think that hitting a guy on a bike is double the points... Yeah, a lot of people die in my town because people can't drive, I wish it were legal to kill bad drivers.

-Wes

Ducati 999. :D

Honestly, I'll never own a bike... Not because they scare me, no. But because the people in my town think that hitting a guy on a bike is double the points... Yeah, a lot of people die in my town because people can't drive, I wish it were legal to kill bad drivers.

-Wes

thats when you attach assault rifles to your handle bars like a fighter jet. go to honk your horn at them, instead they get a window rear end full of bullet holes. :D

Jason, when you buy your bike, are you gonna' get those goofy cowboy look alike biker pants... I could see that on you.

Jason, when you buy your bike, are you gonna' get those goofy cowboy look alike biker pants... I could see that on you.

yeah, my chaps are already on order. getting black with red tassles to match the bike, they will look good i must say...

so i will be looking at bikes real seriously when i get back from vacation, July 30th. if i dont find a good deal on one i may wait till November or so and try to get a winter deal on one.

looking for a 2000+ GSXR750. got a major bump in 2000 making it almost 40lbs lighter and more powerful, also raising the rev limiter to 14k rpms. :D

I call dibs on the rolling chassis...

I call dibs on the rolling chassis...

:lol: i dont think the bike will be rolling and the car, i hope i crash the bike into the car so you fuckers cant get your grubby fingers on my parts. :D

just the motor, delerious needs to know what its like to be pulled by a VG30DETT. :rofl:

Lets cut this down:

driven one. my uncle owns a C4. handles well, accellerates well, but...hard plastic? I could break a nail on that! No thank you!

Pfft, you're just a hater. Get a ride in any C5 Vette. The difference is as big between C4s and C5s as the difference between Z31s and Z32s.

As for bikes...like I said before:

GSX-R750 FTW!

Pfft, you're just a hater. Get a ride in any C5 Vette. The difference is as big between C4s and C5s as the difference between Z31s and Z32s.


i have driven a C5 also. the C4s are jsut that much worse. i was referring to the C5 when mentioning the interior also. the new C6's are actually very refined in comparison. i just dont like them because they are so gawd damn popular around here. its like our skyline supra overratedness debate earlier...its a good car but it is still overrated, atleast in my area. everyone here thinks the vette is the end to all sports cars, this is why i am building a Z to destroy the nay-sayers.

and yes, GSX-R750 FTW! its coming by mid august hopefully. i havent been this excited since i got my turbos. :D

found a 01' red and black with few mods w/ 5k miles for $6k. i dont want to spend more than $5750 but we will see. i have seen them for less and i have seen them for alot more. coming soon! getting my permit as soon as i get back form vacation so i cant go do some riding!

no respect for the lonely single cam...

psh, when you kill yourself on that bike, all of your stuff is up for grabs on a first come first serve basis, i.e. me, becuase I live like an hour away from you :grinyes:

i'll be there first... i'm sure i'll be first to know when he got his bike :rolleyes:

maybe I'll just move out to wherever he is... (I can look him up on whitepages.com thank you!)

psh, when you kill yourself on that bike, all of your stuff is up for grabs on a first come first serve basis, i.e. me, becuase I live like an hour away from you :grinyes:

you wish...lets be honest here. i wouldnt give you Z31 fanboys a piece of carpet from my boot! j/k...ill tell you what. you can have your choice of a few items. we will discuss the details further when i get the bike. and you guys should be more supportive...you guys are like the family i dont talk to and ignore.
maybe I'll just move out to wherever he is... (I can look him up on whitepages.com thank you!)
eww...stalker! :lol: im coming your way to party soon.
i'll be there first... i'm sure i'll be first to know when he got his bike :rolleyes:

you shouldnt be so fun to aggravate...plus you disagree with it the most out of everyone i know except the ex-girlfriend and mother but thats to be expected.

you shouldnt be so fun to aggravate...plus you disagree with it the most out of everyone i know except the ex-girlfriend and mother but thats to be expected.

Hahahahaha that just sounds funny.

"you shouldnt be so much fun to aggravate"

Gold :lol:

I went to look at what appears to be my next car today. A toyota starlet. I think Im going to cry...

At least a 1.3L engine is fuel efficient...

I went to look at what appears to be my next car today. A toyota starlet. I think Im going to cry...

At least a 1.3L engine is fuel efficient...

Well if it doesn't burn a lot of fuel in stock trim you'll have to do something about that won't you?

Think: turbo + high compression + nitromethane.

If you can see through those tear stained eyes I think I see a 10 second, 280 kph Starlet.

Either that or an explosion followed by your next of kin being notified.

It's kind of hard to see from here.

I went to look at what appears to be my next car today. A toyota starlet. I think Im going to cry...

At least a 1.3L engine is fuel efficient...

i thought we dicussed a way for you to get the so "desirable" (:rolleyes:) GTO and get your gf the MR2?

i thought we dicussed a way for you to get the so "desirable" (:rolleyes:) GTO and get your gf the MR2?

Oh I emailed the dude about the GTO and he never got back to me. :banghead:
I still want it, but as of RIGHT NOW, I need a car to drive. Hence, I get a Starlet. I can still get the GTO and just sell the Starlet if need be :icon16:

Broke: Nice idea, but there already is a GT Starlet around. Gt being the turbo version they made... Apparently they are a blast to drive cuz they are so responsive in the lower speeds. Top end the leave a bit to be desired but hey, you cant have them all...

but hey, you cant have them all...

sure you can...should have modified your TT. :D

yeah but then he'd be dead by now... we all know he can't drive rwd ;)

yeah but then he'd be dead by now... we all know he can't drive rwd ;)

but he definitely would have known what low end and high end grunt is! :D

yeah but then he'd be dead by now... we all know he can't drive rwd ;)

Shaddup :icon16:

so yeah ive just got the best luck when it comes to my car lately. Yesterday as i was walking out to get in my car with my girlfriend i see a woman in a Dakota BACK INTO MY Z. THATS RIGHT, SHE BACKED INTO MY DRIVER SIDE DOOR. the door is screwed and so is the mirror. I guess the womans loaded so itll all be taken care of. I was all ready to go choke some dumbass to death and then this grandma hopps down outta the truck. so what can ya do. So i guess price isnt an issue so im gunna take it to the nicest body shop i know of to make sure it gets done right, so thats where im at these days. any sympathy is much appreciated..........grieve on >

that sucks probe... at least she's not some broke ass punk that can't pay for anything... could be worse :p

so yeah ive just got the best luck when it comes to my car lately. Yesterday as i was walking out to get in my car with my girlfriend i see a woman in a Dakota BACK INTO MY Z. THATS RIGHT, SHE BACKED INTO MY DRIVER SIDE DOOR. the door is screwed and so is the mirror. I guess the womans loaded so itll all be taken care of. I was all ready to go choke some dumbass to death and then this grandma hopps down outta the truck. so what can ya do. So i guess price isnt an issue so im gunna take it to the nicest body shop i know of to make sure it gets done right, so thats where im at these days. any sympathy is much appreciated..........grieve on >

shes loaded and drives a dakota. typical midwesterner. :lol:

and if you were smart...you would try to make nice with the body shop and have them charge her extra money for a 99' front, spoiler, escort FRP doors, etc. come on, whats another $2k in parts. :D