96 maxima vs 03 altima 3.5L

Originally posted by thrasher
yeah, the revised intake is called variable valve timing, which maximizes power at any speed, and is aided by a similar system in the exhaust. my dad has an I30, and his car in no way feels as strong as mine, at any point in the rpm range. my car rips straight through to redline, and doesn't feel out of breath. i'm not underestimating the vq30, i have spent quite a bit of time behind the wheel of one, i know what it can do. i would stake my pink slip on the fact that i could pull on a vq30 anywhere, anytime. my car has a lot more torque and hp available at lower rpm's, a more advanced ecu, and a stronger transmission with more aggressive gearing...which lead to feel confident in saying that professionally driven, a vq35 equipped max or alt will beat a vq30 equipped max

you are 100% right too, my 4 banger has a bunch of torque and can rip through first gear while most cars are not even near done with their first gear. I love it....but after that its freakin slow and compared to a VQ35 its weak

yeah, variable valve timing is a huge gift and a breakthrough in maximizing performance out of any sized engine...btw jbl, do you know what your first gear ratio is, that would help a lot in explaining this whole thing

Well it seems the fire has died down.
that's a good thing

I agree with thrasher stating that the variable valve timing is a gift. Although I do not currently own any of the nissan line with variable valve timing I know several people who have driven the sentra spec V and they tell me that they smoke at low rpm's, there is tons of power down there. Hopefully when I get a job at a friend of mine's uncle's Nissan dealership I can test some of the cars myself.:devil:

u guys gettin off by how long u can make this thread last or wat?

the times for a 350z from my motor trend say 0-60 5.4, 1/4 13.9 that's the track model. i doubt an altima can hang

agreed paonessa

Originally posted by 97wvmax
u guys gettin off by how long u can make this thread last or wat?

Seems like it huh, maybe we can go down in AF history

Originally posted by Paonessa
the times for a 350z from my motor trend say 0-60 5.4, 1/4 13.9 that's the track model. i doubt an altima can hang

Well from your guys Prior Arguments I should just say thats a really good driver :rolleyes: .
But also if a Maxima vs a 350z, Z wouldnt kick its ass if a Maxima can do a 14.3 1/4. Also keep in mind the FWD Altima and maxima are getting much more power to the ground then the RWD 350z, yes I know it has more crank power, but still %25 is a lot lost.
So it is a pretty even race and I never specified that the guy in the Manual Altima was racing an Automatic 350z, reason he started pulling. :)

Originally posted by thrasher
yeah, the revised intake is called variable valve timing, which maximizes power at any speed, and is aided by a similar system in the exhaust. my dad has an I30, and his car in no way feels as strong as mine, at any point in the rpm range. my car rips straight through to redline, and doesn't feel out of breath. i'm not underestimating the vq30, i have spent quite a bit of time behind the wheel of one, i know what it can do. i would stake my pink slip on the fact that i could pull on a vq30 anywhere, anytime. my car has a lot more torque and hp available at lower rpm's, a more advanced ecu, and a stronger transmission with more aggressive gearing...which lead to feel confident in saying that professionally driven, a vq35 equipped max or alt will beat a vq30 equipped max

FYI again, the video that I was talking about where the Max 3.0L spanks and I do mean spanks the 3.5 from the roll and it wasn't just racing one 3.5 Max it was racing 2 of them at the same time and all 3 were driven by professionals. I'm going to look for the link so that I can post it, just tired of everyone dissin the 3.0L because they have a bigger engine with some changes done.

If this is any indication of what both Maxs are capable of then I'd say that we are both are in pretty good hands, you are not going to here me diss on a 3.5 ever. I love all Maximas no matter what gen.

Originally posted by bk2kmax


FYI again, the video that I was talking about where the Max 3.0L spanks and I do mean spanks the 3.5 from the roll and it wasn't just racing one 3.5 Max it was racing 2 of them at the same time and all 3 were driven by professionals. .

How stock was the 3.0 Max?

Originally posted by JBL85


How stock was the 3.0 Max?

It wasn't stock... It's PIONEER from the .org. I have the video on my harddrive. He's got a PRCAI, Ypipe, and HKS exhaust (which I think means it is just the muffler).... But it did spank the 02 Maxima 6spd pretty good (that was the camera car). The 03 Max held up better against the 3.0. Both the 3.5s were stock.

well i doubt that an intake catback and y pipe added 65 hp. so that's pretty impressive

Originally posted by Paonessa
well i doubt that an intake catback and y pipe added 65 hp. so that's pretty impressive

Yes, there were multiple runs... He posted three .avi movies with like 60-120... 40-100.. and 60-130 or some sh!t like that... Needless to say, I enjoyed the videos very much ;) My Max pulls on my wife's 03 pretty good.. ehehhee That's because she's auto. The 3.0's intake manifold really gives it an edge during freeway races. The 3.5 chokes on itself when it gets up to the higher RPMs. But I'm sure the 3.5 would be a freakin' monster with the Stillen headers... Thinking of putting that in my wife's Max.... :D

I wanna see that video:devil:

hey ya'll i not trying to start any sh*t but i raced another altima yesterday it was a manual just not sure if it was a 3.5l or not(it didn't have any badges,not even altima) but he gave me the finger at the interstate on ramp light so i said srew this guy , the light turn green and i floored it at first i was thinking poor guy then he pulled on me by like a car and a half so i engaged my nos an used it i was going like 95 the nos kicked in an it seemed like i smoked him but he just caught back up with me at 120. now just to say i'am very confused what could he have posibly done to his car to run like that? i've raced 3.5l before i had nos an was always able to keep at the least a car lenth what could he posibly have under the hood ? i;ve seen some lightly moded altimas but what the heck!! could he have been supercharged or turbocharged? i know he was running nos but what else? do you altima guys know something us maxima guys don't?

Originally posted by JBL85


Well from your guys Prior Arguments I should just say thats a really good driver :rolleyes: .
But also if a Maxima vs a 350z, Z wouldnt kick its ass if a Maxima can do a 14.3 1/4. Also keep in mind the FWD Altima and maxima are getting much more power to the ground then the RWD 350z, yes I know it has more crank power, but still %25 is a lot lost.
So it is a pretty even race and I never specified that the guy in the Manual Altima was racing an Automatic 350z, reason he started pulling. :)

Actually there's also a video on the org where the Max 3.5 races a Z and a GTP and the Max absolutely smashes the Z, of course the GTP whipped both of them but then again he is SC'd and that GTP pulls like a bat out of hell from a standstill.

You would think the Z would've ate the Max's lunch and at least be neck n neck with the GTP but it got spanked on each launch, could've been a bad driver in the Z but hey a car with all that power and rear wheel drive and I believe it is lighter than the Max should've smoke it no matter who was driving.

Some times it comes down to the driver but all things being equal it'll come down to the car and in this case the Z's power to weight ratio coupled with 2door rwd and 280 hp should've flat out won.

Dave, if you used NOS to beat him, he was a V6, especially if he pulled by a Car and a half because my car doesnt even do that when racing a Maxima.

bk2max, yeah a GTP is slow if its stock, once you change the pulley then it starts beating the Maxima, I saw a video where the Maxima actually kicks the GTPs ass with a smaller pulley even, but must have not been much more then 8lbs if the Maxima was beating on it.


And to the video of the Maxima 3.0 beating the 3.5, that is very impressive, I wonder how the 3.5 would compare with equal mods.

yeah but the thing is i raced altima3.5l before quite a few and like i said i was all ways able to keep at least 1-1/2 car lenth lead. theirs something fishy about this altima that with nos i still couldn't beat him(i let up at 120) an he just flew by/ if the driver wasn't such a prick i would check out his car he just has to be super-turbocharged and he has nos for sure. but i guest my new question is can you super-turbocharge a altima? i mean even if he was if he had a 2.5l we should be running the same hp or close to each other don't you think? before nos i got about 230-240fwhp est... then i got 100 shot nos i should have atleast 270-280fwhp and thats what most sc maximas run

Originally posted by JBL85
Dave, if you used NOS to beat him, he was a V6, especially if he pulled by a Car and a half because my car doesnt even do that when racing a Maxima.

bk2max, yeah a GTP is slow if its stock, once you change the pulley then it starts beating the Maxima, I saw a video where the Maxima actually kicks the GTPs ass with a smaller pulley even, but must have not been much more then 8lbs if the Maxima was beating on it.


And to the video of the Maxima 3.0 beating the 3.5, that is very impressive, I wonder how the 3.5 would compare with equal mods.

I'm certain that the 3.5 would eat the 3.0 with similar mods but remember the 3.5 starts out with a 33 hp advantage to begin with so even with the mods the 3.0 was running I'm certain that his mods didn't put his hp numbers past the 3.5. It probably was on par with the 3.5 at best with the hp numbers maybe even lower.

Besides all of that the 3.5 really makes a lot of low end power where the 3.0 makes a lot of its' power on the top end, anyone who knows both vehicles characteristics will tell you the same. I know if they raced from a standstill the 3.5 will more than likely hand the 3.0 his @$$ to him.

Originally posted by daveauth21
yeah but the thing is i raced altima3.5l before quite a few and like i said i was all ways able to keep at least 1-1/2 car lenth lead. theirs something fishy about this altima that with nos i still couldn't beat him(i let up at 120) an he just flew by/ if the driver wasn't such a prick i would check out his car he just has to be super-turbocharged and he has nos for sure. but i guest my new question is can you super-turbocharge a altima? i mean even if he was if he had a 2.5l we should be running the same hp or close to each other don't you think? before nos i got about 230-240fwhp est... then i got 100 shot nos i should have atleast 270-280fwhp and thats what most sc maximas run

Well, there is no Turbo/SC out for the Altima yet. Maybe the other Altimas you were racing were 4 cylinder, cuz trust me, if they werent beating you, and they were giving you a run for the money, ya never know. Its still only .5 liters smaller and has a bunch of torque with that light motor. As far as members running NOS on altimas.net, only 1 does (sprayin70, his dynos show he hit like 380lbs of torque with a 75 shot), but he can smoke a Vette with a 70 shot, so if he only flew by you at 120, it probably wasnt nos. If anything, if it was a 4 cylinder, it had nos, but I even doubt that because 115-120 is when a 4 bangin altima hits its governor. If you ask me, it was a V6 Altima :eek:

Only real visible difference between 2.5 and 3.5 is wheels, exhaust and some 2.5s dont have Fog lights. Also the bading on the back, if its not shaved like mine, is the 2.5/3.5 SE V6 bading on the right side, bottom corner fo the trunk.

well all i have to say is they were 3.5l i know because we all set up our race before hand(because of police) but like i said before in other post some were auto an some were standard only one was lightly moded the rest stock so i know if a 3.5l was running the samemods as me i would lose no dout about that but this guy had to be moded good just to run the way the way it ran . for instance forget i got a 3.0l maxima ok this guy would have taken a vette no problem an would have stayed in the lead. my friend has a z06 vette an i raced him a few time(using nos) i was able to keep up thats it at about 90 i would be about 5-6 car behind using nos i would beable to close the gap a little about 3-1/2 cars behind so going by what your saying this guy must have the most modded altima out there.

whats your 1/4 time?

not sure haven't taken it to the track yet but the fastest car to date that i beat was last weekend it was a acura rsx he runs high 13s at the end of the quarter mile i was about 1-1/2 car lenth ahead we raced 3 times all endind the same, i'am waiting to install my new engine an get turbo before i go to the track then i know for sure i'll be running 12s 1/4 mile

Originally posted by bk2kmax


Actually there's also a video on the org where the Max 3.5 races a Z and a GTP and the Max absolutely smashes the Z, of course the GTP whipped both of them but then again he is SC'd and that GTP pulls like a bat out of hell from a standstill.

You would think the Z would've ate the Max's lunch and at least be neck n neck with the GTP but it got spanked on each launch, could've been a bad driver in the Z but hey a car with all that power and rear wheel drive and I believe it is lighter than the Max should've smoke it no matter who was driving.

Some times it comes down to the driver but all things being equal it'll come down to the car and in this case the Z's power to weight ratio coupled with 2door rwd and 280 hp should've flat out won.

That Grand Prix had some mods. Theres no way a stock GTP would

pull away from a Maxima or 350 Z like that. That was a weird race
away.

yup, GTP was definitely modded, i pissed all over a GTP a couple of months ago. they are heavy as hell. no problem for my 3.5. umm, was the max 3.0 a 5th gen? well, if it was modded, then that really doesn't say anything for the motor itself. the intake itself probably made up the difference. not to mention that a free flowing exhaust system can do wonders for your performance. i guarantee you 100% that a 3.5 with equal mods would tear a 3.0 apart in a second

Originally posted by daveauth21
not sure haven't taken it to the track yet but the fastest car to date that i beat was last weekend it was a acura rsx he runs high 13s at the end of the quarter mile i was about 1-1/2 car lenth ahead we raced 3 times all endind the same, i'am waiting to install my new engine an get turbo before i go to the track then i know for sure i'll be running 12s 1/4 mile

squeezing?

The Maxima in that race was either a 02 or 03 6 speed.

Originally posted by thrasher
yup, GTP was definitely modded, i pissed all over a GTP a couple of months ago. they are heavy as hell. no problem for my 3.5. umm, was the max 3.0 a 5th gen? well, if it was modded, then that really doesn't say anything for the motor itself. the intake itself probably made up the difference. not to mention that a free flowing exhaust system can do wonders for your performance. i guarantee you 100% that a 3.5 with equal mods would tear a 3.0 apart in a second

Sorry but there's no way in hell that an intake alone is going to make up a 33hp difference, like I said I know for sure he had an intake, a Y and a lightweight UDP but even with all of that his hp should've at best been the same hp output as the 3.5 if not even a little lower and definitely not higher.

No one doubts that a modded 3.5 would destroy a 3.0, the point was to show what a 3.0 could do with a few mods against a bigger engine and I think he more than proved that. Besides that I believe a lot of people with 3.5's were upset and some were even in denial that it happened.

I don't care what kind of mods you have, there's no way a Y, UDP and Intake is going to equal 33hp, he just got smoked plain and simple.

Besides that the case here wasn't about a modded 3.5 vs 3.0 it was vice versa. Many of the org members were pissed that their beloved 3.5 had its' @$$ handed to it by the lil 3.0 and that's what lead to the "WHAT IF" the 3.5 had the same mods question.

Don't be too upset about it, just accept it. The gearing on the 3.5 is set up for the beast to accelerate at very low speeds whereas the 3.0 is set up to accelerate at higher speeds very fast, the video proves that and that does say a lot for the 3.0 regardless if everyone who drives a 3.5 is in denial.

gtp's suck. i was driving behind one and in front of the gtp was a slow moving vw bus. the gtp went to pass and the vw stomped the gas and it took the gtp probably 15-20 seconds to get around it. I almost had to pull over i was laughing so hard. they're only nice cuz they're so easily tweakable cuz of the s/c. from the factory it's a hunk of crap

i'm not in denial, i have no qualms about saying that a modded 3.0 can beat my car. but that doesn't prove anything about the motor itself, like i said. a modification is something that enhances the performace of the vehicle. it's like you guys are trying to compare and say the 3.0 is as good of an engine as the 3.5, which is just plain silly. stock vs. stock, the 3.5 rips the 3.0 modded vs. modded, the 3.5 rips the 3.0 i know the 3.0 is a great engine, i am glad to sing its praises...it just isn't a 3.5

Originally posted by thrasher
i'm not in denial, i have no qualms about saying that a modded 3.0 can beat my car. but that doesn't prove anything about the motor itself, like i said. a modification is something that enhances the performace of the vehicle. it's like you guys are trying to compare and say the 3.0 is as good of an engine as the 3.5, which is just plain silly. stock vs. stock, the 3.5 rips the 3.0 modded vs. modded, the 3.5 rips the 3.0 i know the 3.0 is a great engine, i am glad to sing its praises...it just isn't a 3.5

A modded 3.0 just proves that a modded 3.5 will have just as great gains. Both motors are awesome, intake headers and exhaust put you up at about 20hp to the wheels no problem. It is the best V6 engine. :bonghitte: In my opinion of course ;)

Originally posted by thrasher
i'm not in denial, i have no qualms about saying that a modded 3.0 can beat my car. but that doesn't prove anything about the motor itself, like i said. a modification is something that enhances the performace of the vehicle. it's like you guys are trying to compare and say the 3.0 is as good of an engine as the 3.5, which is just plain silly. stock vs. stock, the 3.5 rips the 3.0 modded vs. modded, the 3.5 rips the 3.0 i know the 3.0 is a great engine, i am glad to sing its praises...it just isn't a 3.5

I never said that you were in denial, I said some members on the org were in denial because of their beloved 3.5 had its' @$$ handed to it by a modded 3.0. I wasn't directing that at you, it was a statement made in general.

IMO it does prove a lot about the VQ motor, it says that if we (VQ owners) add these mods it helps to open up the true potential of the VQ family of engines overall. This wasn't a comparison and the 3.0 is just as good as the 3.5 because they are basically the same engine.

Everyone knows stock vs stock the 3.5 will hand the 3.0 its' @$$, no one ever said anything different. You contradict yourself, first you say that were trying to say the 3.0 is as good an engine as the 3.5, which is just plain silly.<This is your quote and then you say I know the 3.0 is a great engine, I'am glad to sing its' praises.

We (3.0 owners) know that our engine isn't the same as a 3.5 that wasn't never the reason to start comparing it in the first place. If you look back at your previous posts to this thread you in essence were underestimating the 3.0 while at the same time overestimating the 3.5 and for $hit$ & giggle$ I thought I'd mention the video to show you and others why they shouldn't discredit the 3.0 and overrate the 3.5, that is why all this has come to fruition.

I respect you and the 3.5 engine, it was never my intent to diss on you or it, but to merely point out dormant capabilities that lie in the 3.0.

I know you realize that if you are dissin the 3.0 you're in essence dissin your own 3.5. There's no need to angry and to have a debate about what is the same engine, like I said I love all Maxima, regardless of gen and engine.;)

well, i do love the 3.0 liter engine, VQ is awesome no matter what size. in fact, i was going to buy my dad's I30 and boost it before i decided to go with the max (wanted manual). btw, i wasn't contradicting myself, i was saying that the 3.5 is a better motor because of the improvements (cvvt, vi) like i said, i'm not discrediting the 3.0 i was saying what i was in the beginning b/c i thought you guys were trying to say a 3.0 would beat a 3.5 , both stock, that was my problem. but anyways, no hard feelings on my end, it was just a misunderstanding. VQ rules! :sun:

Can someone please post that video?:D
Greatly appreciated if done:D

Originally posted by MaximusGTR
Can someone please post that video?:D
Greatly appreciated if done:D

Wanna race? :D I wanna post that video

i think this is the furthest down the page i have seen this thread yet...maybe a good thing?

Originally posted by thrasher
i think this is the furthest down the page i have seen this thread yet...maybe a good thing?

Post Whore :D

Yes, so lets keep it alive until I find a race, I really want to show everyone I can beat a Maxima, and its not the fact that I am right, its just that I can:)

Originally posted by JBL85


Post Whore :D

Yes, so lets keep it alive until I find a race, I really want to show everyone I can beat a Maxima, and its not the fact that I am right, its just that I can:)

Ok, already damn this is old

Hey Nick, whenever your gonna be near Los Angeles hit me up:silly2:
I know this shit is old but Oh well.:rolleyes:

I'm on Crenshaw blvd every Saturday night cruising the blvd looking for ass to kick so I'm there until like 1:00 in the morning. BTW Whats up BK2, ain't heard from you in a cold minute dog?

Originally posted by MaximusGTR
Hey Nick, whenever your gonna be near Los Angeles hit me up:silly2:
I know this shit is old but Oh well.:rolleyes:

I'm on Crenshaw blvd every Saturday night cruising the blvd looking for ass to kick so I'm there until like 1:00 in the morning. BTW Whats up BK2, ain't heard from you in a cold minute dog?

Damn dude, we were up in Cypress today for the NIssan Bash, you should have rolled out. Oh well, I am never in LA, always in San Bernadino county.

only 35 pages :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse

Originally posted by 97wvmax
only 35 pages :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse

:D

Originally posted by 97wvmax
only 35 pages :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse :zx11pisse


:flash: :flash: :flash: :flash: NEW RECORD:flash: :flash: :flash: :flash:

Keep whoring, I am sure it will hit 36 pages.

i don't understand why you guys are saying 35 pages, on my browser it only shows 14 pages...i'm confused

Originally posted by thrasher
i don't understand why you guys are saying 35 pages, on my browser it only shows 14 pages...i'm confused

Something must be wrong with your browser or it needs to be refreshed, everyone else's shows 35 pages, so does mine.

Try hitting your Refresh button and see if all your pages reload.

no, that's not it, i see all of the posts still, they're just displayed on 14 pages instead of 35...hmmmm...i wonder if there is a way to change number of posts displayed of each page, maybe i accidentally changed it. anyone?

ok, sorry for post whorring, but that's what it is, i changed my user options to dislpay 40 posts per page instead of the default...so nm

Keep posting.. :D :cool: :bandit: :smoker: :smoker2: :flash: :flash: :wave: :hehe: :hehehe: :wave: :spit: :coolguy: :lol2:

Originally posted by joeB
Keep posting.. :D :cool: :bandit: :smoker: :smoker2: :flash: :flash: :wave: :hehe: :hehehe: :wave: :spit: :coolguy: :lol2:

do what? :p

Trust me , if you guys keep posting Bull$hit, this thread will go down faster than the Titanic, well marginally.:rolleyes:
Keep it on the topic and it will survive,TRUST ME:D

Well I think the point of the thread deteriorated because:

1) Everyone knows a 3.5 Altima automatic or 5 speed is faster then a 5 speed VQ30 Equipped Maxima (stock)
2) A 5 speed Altima is faster then a VQ30 Equipped Automatic Maxima.

:D

Originally posted by JBL85
Well I think the point of the thread deteriorated because:


2) A 5 speed Altima is faster then a VQ30 Equipped Automatic Maxima.

:D

Thats more like it and
your absolutely right a 5 speed 3.5 Altima is quicker than a VQ30 Automatic Maxima:rolleyes: But not your 2.5 or any 2.5

Originally posted by JBL85
Well I think the point of the thread deteriorated because:

1) Everyone knows a 3.5 Altima automatic or 5 speed is faster then a 5 speed VQ30 Equipped Maxima (stock)
2) A 5 speed Altima is faster then a VQ30 Equipped Automatic Maxima.

:D

i don't know about that. by your logic, if a 5speed 2.5 altima can beat an auto 3.0 max, why can't a 5 speed 3.0 max (especially the lighter 4th gen) beat an auto 3.5 altima weighing 3300 lbs? i'm not saying it can, but is the 4 banger in the altima extra special or something? i think you're expectatons of your car are too high
and i have yet to see a video or any substantial proof of your second point
you go by the rule of thumb 100lbs=10hp
a new altima weighs 400lbs more than a 4th gen max=-40hp putting the car at 205 hp. now consider i'm 5 speed and we all know how horrible the nissan auto tranny's are (right nick?)

I don't know if i really believe this, it might be true but my point is that it's just the exact same argument you're making in a different proportion with the exception of the weight advantage actually being in my favor

yeah, i agree with paonessa, a 3.0 liter max 5 speed could much more easily make up the difference on a 3.5 Altima auto than a 2.5 5 speed could on a 3.0 Max...although i think that you know that anyways and you just posted that to keep this thread going or get under our skin

Originally posted by thrasher
yeah, i agree with paonessa, a 3.0 liter max 5 speed could much more easily make up the difference on a 3.5 Altima auto than a 2.5 5 speed could on a 3.0 Max...although i think that you know that anyways and you just posted that to keep this thread going or get under our skin

Thats obvious:rolleyes:

Oh boy, here we go again.:rolleyes:

great!:crying:

Originally posted by thrasher
yeah, i agree with paonessa, a 3.0 liter max 5 speed could much more easily make up the difference on a 3.5 Altima auto than a 2.5 5 speed could on a 3.0 Max...although i think that you know that anyways and you just posted that to keep this thread going or get under our skin

If you'll remember back a couple of pages, I posted that a 4th-gen 5-speed CAN in fact beat an auto 3.5 Altima.:) :)

Originally posted by Paonessa


i don't know about that. by your logic, if a 5speed 2.5 altima can beat an auto 3.0 max, why can't a 5 speed 3.0 max (especially the lighter 4th gen) beat an auto 3.5 altima weighing 3300 lbs? i'm not saying it can, but is the 4 banger in the altima extra special or something? i think you're expectatons of your car are too high
and i have yet to see a video or any substantial proof of your second point
you go by the rule of thumb 100lbs=10hp
a new altima weighs 400lbs more than a 4th gen max=-40hp putting the car at 205 hp. now consider i'm 5 speed and we all know how horrible the nissan auto tranny's are (right nick?)

I don't know if i really believe this, it might be true but my point is that it's just the exact same argument you're making in a different proportion with the exception of the weight advantage actually being in my favor

just gonna let you know a 3.5 weighs 3200 lbs according to Nissan, so I will read your posts once you take that into consideration.

-Nick

Originally posted by MaximusGTR


Thats more like it and
your absolutely right a 5 speed 3.5 Altima is quicker than a VQ30 Automatic Maxima:rolleyes: But not your 2.5 or any 2.5

Gettin steamy again, your the one who wants me to race in a busy city, why dont you get out to Irvine so we can race, you got nothin to lose, and if you win, I will even give you 5 bucks for gas, if I win, you can come back here and just say I got owned.

Sound good?