96 maxima vs 03 altima 3.5L

Originally posted by MaximusGTR
Yea, come down to L.A and I'll run you, I think thats why I kinda didn't say anything else on the race because I thought why the hell would I drive down to Orange county just to beat a 2.5 Altima when I could beat them all day here in L.A. If I were the obvious underdog, I'd go whoop some A$$ and shut everybody up. Plus I wanted to wait till I get some tires because 3 of my $hits are bald, but I'd still take you with 1 tire:right:

Hey, JBL you gotta understand dog that your in a Maxima forum where people are talking about the cars and what we can do to them, and all of a sudden, someone comes in (that is an obvious underdog) and says they can beat our $hit. If you know you can whoop our ass, I would sit back, let everybody talk Ish and kick somebody's ass on film because if you say it, knowbody's gonna believe you. I know you don't care because I wouldn't either but thats the only way your gonna get your point across.

In the words of Mr. Casanova "Just my .02"

:dogpile: <all of us against JBL, oops I mean Nick. :hehe:

Maximus, where can we run?

dun forget to video it MaxGTR!

Originally posted by Pick
Just to get this straight, you want to race a 4th gen? With what mods. I know it has to be auto. It seems like you are setting this race up in your favor. Your place, your conditions, your rules. I wouldn't race you just on the basis. I think everyone should just abandon this thread and label it as another one of those internet s@#t talking posts.

I am saying equal mods, I have intake, so its only fair if I race a car with intake. All the Maximas I raced except for the third gen were stock with the exception of my cousin who has a cheap WAI. The third gen 5 speed I beat had intake, down pipe and exhaust. I never said anything about place conditions and rules so do you want to clarify as to what you are talking about?


Originally posted by bk2kmax


For real though!

I work full time and go to school full time, so I dont know who the lazy ass is.

haha, for working 40 hours a week and going to school full time, which means a lot of homework on top of the 8 hours of work per day, you sure have a lot of time to talk shit
:rolleyes:

Wasn't Nick the guy in Menace II Society that tried to sell that black MAXIMA?
OT but seriously, the guy who got smacked around?:D

Originally posted by thrasher
haha, for working 40 hours a week and going to school full time, which means a lot of homework on top of the 8 hours of work per day, you sure have a lot of time to talk shit
:rolleyes:

:D Yep, got my labtop and my cell phone so I can come on here and see what you guys have to say inbetween classes and during work.

Also keep in mind I didnt start the shit talking, it was you guys bagging on me cuz you didnt believe I could beat a car with 190 hp, hah, weak!

Originally posted by JBL85


:D Yep, got my labtop and my cell phone so I can come on here and see what you guys have to say inbetween classes and during work.

Also keep in mind I didnt start the shit talking, it was you guys bagging on me cuz you didnt believe I could beat a car with 190 hp, hah, weak!

Don't forget you also said that you could beat 222hp plus an intake with your fastest in the world shifting 5spd and you can, you really really can
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Originally posted by JBL85


:D Yep, got my labtop and my cell phone so I can come on here and see what you guys have to say inbetween classes and during work.

Also keep in mind I didnt start the shit talking, it was you guys bagging on me cuz you didnt believe I could beat a car with 190 hp, hah, weak!

I would put my car's title against your shitty altima.

and what's with the past tense? we still don't believe you can beat a maxima.

Originally posted by Paonessa


I would put my car's title against your shitty altima.

and what's with the past tense? we still don't believe you can beat a maxima.


Shitty huh, yeah keep talkin shit, my car probably looks about 10x better then your 95 POS. Dont hate cuz my car is nicer.

Whenever Maximus can race and finds a place, Ill beat his Maxima for you guys to enjoy, also keep in mind he never told me his mods, so he is probably running nitrous.

Whenever Maximus can race and finds a place, Ill beat his Maxima for you guys to enjoy, also keep in mind he never told me his mods, so he is probably running nitrous.


Sounds like you're a little apprehensive to me.....J/K:)

:D

the only altima i would ever take over a maxima would be a brand new 3.5 SE...otherwise, they are way too slow ta make up for the ugliness/cheapness, plus, it's an ALTIMA. i mean, come on...

Yeah I wanted a 2002 6 Speed Maxima, but oh well, couldnt afford it. So I am happy with what I got and its better then a fourth gen auto max by a long shot

dude, you need to lay off of the 4 gen. maxima i'am proud to drive a maxima and i got enough money to a new altima and new maxima,but you just can't beat a 4 gen. maxima with all the mods you can do plus i know my maxima can beat your's and everyone in here knows that. i think your just jealus because you gave up a maxima for a altima what were you thinking you must have been ill that day,well at least you own a nissan i guest you could have gottin worst like a camery or a accord o well i'll let you go back to your sh*t talk.:bathroom:

Well, I think its better then a fourth gen in a few ways. Its outer appearance is equal imo, it has a much lower stance which is better then the stock height of the 4th gen which is a 4x4 look. The altima also has IRS which gives it some what better cornering at high speeds and holds to the ground better in quick turns. Interior is much cheaper on my altima, japanese plastics for sure, Maxima was leather, but leather wasnt good quality, otherwise nicely fit together dash and looked good inside. My altima is much nicer inside even though its cheaper plastic, I guess I just like my interior more though because the design and comfort of the seats. The maxima motor is a very good motor though, nice and smooth and purred as it revved up, auto tranny sucked, I guess you guys talking most the shit have 5 speeds and the 2001 5 Speed maxima I drove was fast as hell, thats why I wouldnt even bother racing any car with a VQ motor and a 5/6 speed tranny. I raced a 2.5s Altima with an auto tranny and I pulled on him like I did honda accords and camrys, so I can see where the disrespect comes from on that part. But for you guys with Auto Maximas and bolt ons racing 5 speed altimas and winning, well its the streets anything can happen, so I will bow down to you when I get my ass literally handed to me by a 4th/5th gen maxima. Until then I will keep arguing and you guys have hte option of ignoring me and just letting me get hte last word.

I dont hate because I got rid of my maxima, I actually was tired of it, she did her job and she was beat with 110k.

Originally posted by JBL85
Well, I think its better then a fourth gen in a few ways. Its outer appearance is equal imo, it has a much lower stance which is better then the stock height of the 4th gen which is a 4x4 look. The altima also has IRS which gives it some what better cornering at high speeds and holds to the ground better in quick turns. Interior is much cheaper on my altima, japanese plastics for sure, Maxima was leather, but leather wasnt good quality, otherwise nicely fit together dash and looked good inside. My altima is much nicer inside even though its cheaper plastic, I guess I just like my interior more though because the design and comfort of the seats. The maxima motor is a very good motor though, nice and smooth and purred as it revved up, auto tranny sucked, I guess you guys talking most the shit have 5 speeds and the 2001 5 Speed maxima I drove was fast as hell, thats why I wouldnt even bother racing any car with a VQ motor and a 5/6 speed tranny. I raced a 2.5s Altima with an auto tranny and I pulled on him like I did honda accords and camrys, so I can see where the disrespect comes from on that part. But for you guys with Auto Maximas and bolt ons racing 5 speed altimas and winning, well its the streets anything can happen, so I will bow down to you when I get my ass literally handed to me by a 4th/5th gen maxima. Until then I will keep arguing and you guys have hte option of ignoring me and just letting me get hte last word.

I dont hate because I got rid of my maxima, I actually was tired of it, she did her job and she was beat with 110k.


Damn your Max was beat with 110K, my Max has that on the ODO now and it's just getting broken in, also we know you have to have the last word, I still think you are underestimating the auto (as if it takes 2 years to shift) and overestimating your 5spd, a 5spd 2k will only pull on a 2k auto by 1-1 1/2 cars this is already been proven, so there's no way in hell you are going to beat an auto Max.

Look at the difference in speed and distance on the 5spd & auto Max, your lil $hitty 2.5 can't make up that difference with its' weight and low torque. Sorry, go ahead and get your last word in, it doesn't matter, no one believes you anyway.

Originally posted by bk2kmax



Damn your Max was beat with 110K, my Max has that on the ODO now and it's just getting broken in, also we know you have to have the last word, I still think you are underestimating the auto (as if it takes 2 years to shift) and overestimating your 5spd, a 5spd 2k will only pull on a 2k auto by 1-1 1/2 cars this is already been proven, so there's no way in hell you are going to beat an auto Max.

Look at the difference in speed and distance on the 5spd & auto Max, your lil $hitty 2.5 can't make up that difference with its' weight and low torque. Sorry, go ahead and get your last word in, it doesn't matter, no one believes you anyway.

I have driven in a 2000 Maxima and they dont feel powerful at all, my 97 felt much faster. And you are saying a 2000 5 Speed Maxima is not much faster then an Auto 2000 Maxima, well your a jack ass my friend.

Originally posted by JBL85


I have driven in a 2000 Maxima and they dont feel powerful at all, my 97 felt much faster. And you are saying a 2000 5 Speed Maxima is not much faster then an Auto 2000 Maxima, well your a jack ass my friend.

Thanks my friend for calling me a Jackass, that is the truth no matter how much you think a 5spd can do. I see what you are all about now, profanity and you're a lil too hook on the 5spd, you need to read up a lil more. If you go over to the org the guys over there will tell you the same thing, there won't be a huge difference maybe 1 1/2 cars.

Yes a 97 is slightly faster than a 2k because it is 200lb lighter but it's not much faster because the VQ does all the work at the higher rev range on the 2k and makes up the difference in the take off advantage that the 97 has in the beginning due to its' lighter weight.

If you notice anything, notice this the MEVI was made for their gen so that they will be able to pull like the 5gen does on the higher end of the rev range.

So, I guess this jackass doesn't have to buy into what you are saying because you're not quoting from experiences or facts simply your filthy profane mouth and your "I drive a 5spd so I'm faster than everyone else" brain.

Originally posted by bk2kmax


Thanks my friend for calling me a Jackass, that is the truth no matter how much you think a 5spd can do. I see what you are all about now, profanity and you're a lil too hook on the 5spd, you need to read up a lil more. If you go over to the org the guys over there will tell you the same thing, there won't be a huge difference maybe 1 1/2 cars.

Yes a 97 is slightly faster than a 2k because it is 200lb lighter but it's not much faster because the VQ does all the work at the higher rev range on the 2k and makes up the difference in the take off advantage that the 97 has in the beginning due to its' lighter weight.

If you notice anything, notice this the MEVI was made for their gen so that they will be able to pull like the 5gen does on the higher end of the rev range.

So, I guess this jackass doesn't have to buy into what you are saying because you're not quoting from experiences or facts simply your filthy profane mouth and your "I drive a 5spd so I'm faster than everyone else" brain.

Look a auto is slower, thats it, I have beaten them, you guys are the ones who dnt believe me, so I am just arguing with you guys. And yes 5 speed vs auto makes all the difference. Tell me why a 1999 5 speed max can run high 14's while an auto runs high 15's on the same day, same weather, same amount of gas in the tank. I raced an auto 2.5, I had my friend in the car, guy had inner lane and took off before me, it was a left turn, I took off after him and passed him up by about 2-3 cars at 80mph, he even had 5 cars on me to start. So auto and 5 speed is all the difference. Not sure if the maxima has some kind of hidden potential with an auto tranny after 100mph, but everytime I raced one I was head till I stopped.

My 97 GLE

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid48/p0f311ded7b730b79993bccf05911e62f/fcb90781.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid48/pf8fafac421bb63d4d3988728ed7491a8/fcb90784.jpg


My Nicer/Newer/Faster Altima

http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid37/paec90348ce21fbea2ecc186793c62f5e/fd1ac663.jpg
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p728b6b6451af545fb1234a55a7cf8eb2/fcfa3b76.jpg

Alot of arguing going on here.
:D
Like that Altima.

Originally posted by joeB
Alot of arguing going on here.
:D
Like that Altima.

Thanks joeB, how you been, I havent talked to you in awhile?

Originally posted by joeB
Alot of arguing going on here.
:D
Like that Altima.

I wouldn't call what I'm doing arguing, I use the politically correct term, "Constructive Debating." hehe

Anyway just look at JBL last post, it is ridiculous what he said, no one is going to believe that with that much of a difference that he was able to close and walk the other car with the same engine, same top end by more than 2-3 cars.

I never said that the auto was faster only a fool would believe that an auto is faster than a 5spd but you make it sound as though the auto isn't shifting and the car will just be sitting still.

Either way you look at it there isn't a 3 car distance in between an auto and 5spd Max, maybe with an Altima there is because they are too slow and don't have the torque of a Max to make up the difference in distance.

Anyone who isn't biased who has raced a car of the same type one with stick the other with auto will tell you that the distance will not be 3 cars, it's only 1 1/2 for the Max, then again you're not driving a Max JBL are you?

Originally posted by JBL85



Shitty huh, yeah keep talkin shit, my car probably looks about 10x better then your 95 POS. Dont hate cuz my car is nicer.

Whenever Maximus can race and finds a place, Ill beat his Maxima for you guys to enjoy, also keep in mind he never told me his mods, so he is probably running nitrous.

For one, no altima looks nicer than a 95 and up maxima, don't You hate cuz you blew $20K on an ugly, slow altima. Second ,even if you do beat maximus(which you won't) you already said you'd get owned by me so quit playin' yourself for a chump. Third go find a forum you belong to if you're not gonna be constructive. come in here and start talkin shit like an idiiot. Did you expect anyone in a maxima forum to say there car is slower than a car with a smaller displacement engine with less overall torque and HP, in a body that's 300 lbs heavier. You might as well be driving a civic.

You're a fuckin' joke, if I were maximus i'd knock your ass out after I blew the doors of your PIECE OF SHIT. fuck the acronyms. come to NY and see what happens.

Originally posted by Paonessa


For one, no altima looks nicer than a 95 and up maxima, don't You hate cuz you blew $20K on an ugly, slow altima. Second ,even if you do beat maximus(which you won't) you already said you'd get owned by me so quit playin' yourself for a chump. Third go find a forum you belong to if you're not gonna be constructive. come in here and start talkin shit like an idiiot. Did you expect anyone in a maxima forum to say there car is slower than a car with a smaller displacement engine with less overall torque and HP, in a body that's 300 lbs heavier. You might as well be driving a civic.

You're a fuckin' joke, if I were maximus i'd knock your ass out after I blew the doors of your PIECE OF SHIT. fuck the acronyms. come to NY and see what happens.

You sound like a nagging bitch, stfu already. Dont bring displacement into it, because I can say something dumb like an S2000 is only 2.0 liters and that will win a race.

I dont expect anyone with a maxima to say their car is slower, go back to my first post, I simply stated, I beat a few Maximas, then you guys had a hissy fit as if to cover up for small extremities of your body and got all worried that your car was beat by a faster one.

Originally posted by JBL85


Thanks joeB, how you been, I havent talked to you in awhile?

Im fine, hows about you?.

I know my Maxima is pretty fast, even the 98 GXE auto.

I have no idea on how fast the new 4cyl Altimas are though.

I havent got to drive one yet, and I havent seen any times on

the 4 cylinder Altimas yet from any magazines. Maybe Ill go

drive one this weekend at one of the Nissan dealers.:D

Yeah go for it, its a fun little car to drive :) I rather have a 5 speed/6speed maxima or a V6 Altima, but oh well, I get a whopping 21mpg :rolleyes:

if you're just looking for a fun little car to drive, spend the extra couple g's and get a WRX

jbl, if the maxima was build as a SPORTS CAR like the s2000, im sure it would pack a little more punch, but holy shit, its a family sedan, go figure the s2000 would be a lil faster huh? :finger4:

u sound like thoes ppl who get on the max forum and start trying to start shit by sayin that their turbocharged cars would beat a stock max:bloated:

out of all the things i said you bring up displacement. i also said toqure, hp and body weight. quit talkin' out your ass

Originally posted by Paonessa
out of all the things i said you bring up displacement. i also said toqure, hp and body weight. quit talkin' out your ass

You brought it up, saying my 2.5 Liter couldnt beat a 3.0 liter when in fact it has. So I was bringing up a stupid remark for your stupid comment.


I dont like the WRX, its very ugly, I rather stay with Nissans since thats what I have owned and thats what I like.


Nope, didnt come on here to start any shit, like I said before, click on PAGE 1, when I said I beat a max and you guys cried like girls about it. So I kept arguing with you, and you guys still didnt get it that I did beat one or else I would have quit arguing a long time ago.

<cough> fag <cough>
haha whats up jbl

yeah, the wrx's aren't very attractive, i'll give you that. and they're put together like shit. but if you're looking for some fun in a small package, holy shit, those things rip, and handle like a dream to boot
:bandit:

the new Sti imprezza has 300hp and 300 lbs of torque. They showed it at the detroit auto show. it looks a lot better than the normal WRX. I thought the new Evo VIII lancers were gonna be fast.

i hate to admit it, but thoes svt neons that are coming out, are gonna be pretty strong too

Originally posted by FarbsMaxima
<cough> fag <cough>
haha whats up jbl

hey faget, where you live?

Bad post there Max.

How old are we? -1 going on 2?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by joeB
Bad post there Max.

How old are we? -1 going on 2?:rolleyes:

its ok, its friendly bickering :D :p :D

Originally posted by 97wvmax
i hate to admit it, but thoes svt neons that are coming out, are gonna be pretty strong too

Hey you got a point, but hey, thats why they make Y-pipes and Forced Induction on our cars:D

yeah, i was down at the local subaru talking to a sales rep about the sti, and he hooked me up with a brochure, they're gonna be bad ass. only one problem...it's gonna be hard to stomach a subaru with hid's.

Originally posted by 97wvmax
i hate to admit it, but thoes svt neons that are coming out, are gonna be pretty strong too

SVT=Ford
the new neon is an srt-4

This is getting off topic, get back to bashing me and saying how slow my altima is!

Originally posted by JBL85


its ok, its friendly bickering :D :p :D

ahhhh ok.... :D

i have raced a 3.5 SE Altima and i have a 4th generation max (5 Spd) and i had the altima by like a car and a half both of us doing about 110 on a high way.

Altimas are SLOW!!:evillaugh

Originally posted by JBL85
I spanked a 97 GLE and a 96 SE in my 2.5 S

I think if you are going to beat a 5 speed v6 your gonna need all the bolt ons and then some. But if its an auto, get full exhaust system, yes the race pipe and intake and you should have the edge on a stock auto.


i ahouldn't say that altimas are slow i should say that they are slower. even though they are not betta then maximas, they do pull their own weight. my sister has a 3.5se altima.(manual) we have gone at it a couple of times and i always pull off winning. i mean she tries to stay up with me but it just ain't happening. now i can not picture a 2.5s "spanking" a 97 or a 96 max. that's bull.

you know nick you've been talking sh*t now going on 2 months ok, now since i started this thread back in nov. i've raced 4 diffrent 03 altimas many times (10-12 times)only losing 1 time because my 96 maxima stalled on me at the start(altinator probrem)and they were all 3.5l ,1 was 6 speed and i'am not going to lie is was a little hard but i still won by 1-1/2 car lenths (this altima is owned and was raced by a pro race car driver)so you can't tell me you can race better than him. so just drop the act get out our maxima forum and leave us alone ok

Originally posted by daveauth21
you know nick you've been talking sh*t now going on 2 months ok, now since i started this thread back in nov. i've raced 4 diffrent 03 altimas many times (10-12 times)only losing 1 time because my 96 maxima stalled on me at the start(altinator probrem)and they were all 3.5l ,1 was 6 speed and i'am not going to lie is was a little hard but i still won by 1-1/2 car lenths (this altima is owned and was raced by a pro race car driver)so you can't tell me you can race better than him. so just drop the act get out our maxima forum and leave us alone ok

:cough: biggest bull shit I ever heard :cough:

reason for calling the BS flag on this, they dont make the Altima in a 6 speed, so you are full of shit my friend, so you leave the forum for being a moron and I will call it even. You are obviously racing parked altimas. Especially if they are a V6

Originally posted by JBL85


:cough: biggest bull shit I ever heard :cough:

reason for calling the BS flag on this, they dont make the Altima in a 6 speed, so you are full of shit my friend, so you leave the forum for being a moron and I will call it even. You are obviously racing parked altimas. Especially if they are a V6

This has got to be one of the longest posts in AF History, anyways good luck to all who race Nick in his slick 5spd, trust me you are gonna need it. hehehe

Originally posted by JBL85
This is getting off topic, get back to bashing me and saying how slow my altima is!

I never said Altimas were slow, I'm sure you can beat civics but you can't mash on a Max

JBL, you have a case of.......

Originally posted by Pick
JBL, you have a case of.......


Nah, I like the motor, I love the Maxima, just an auto vq30 cant beat me unless its modded pretty good.

my bad didn't proof read my reply (5 speed tranny finger hit 6 insteed of 5) sorry that i'am not the best typist in the world ,oh and you the jackass it was my uncle's car he'll even get on here and say you full of shit :monkeypis ALTIMA

yeah, unfortunately, jbl is right, a v6 altima will piss on any pre 2k2 Maxima, for the sample fact that it has an easy and obvious torque advantage. i don't want this to start some stupid ass argument, the fact remains that a well driven 3.5 SE altima will beat a well driven 3.0l Max, anyday, anytime

YES I FULLY AGREE BUT I'AM NOT STOCK. I'VE PUT A LOT OF MONEY IN MY MAXIMA AND I HAVE AND ALLWAYS WILL BEAT ANY YEAR ALTIMA UNLESS HE IS FULLY MODED (I'AM NOT STARTING SH*T JUST STATING THE OBVIOUS) THE ONLY THING LEFT TO DO TO MY MAX PERFORMANCE WISE IS A TURBO

Originally posted by JBL85



Nah, I like the motor, I love the Maxima, just an auto vq30 cant beat me unless its modded pretty good.

Wow, now I gotta mod pretty good in order to beat you just because I got an automagic and you got a 5spd, interesting.

Before I could be barely loosing and now I got to have mods to beat a 2.5 5spd Altima, how much more ridiculous will this post get.

It seems that you were racing people who wasn't really racing or bad drivers whatever the case if you race someone with a 3.0l auto or stick, with just a wimpy 2.5, you will lose.

The only one who believes you is you, I asked the guys on the org and no one believes you, also to prove a point even further, why is it that no carmag or auto enthusiasts website has even bothered to test 0-60 or 1/4 times in a 2.5S 5spd or auto?

Wanna know why? Because they're so slow that no one wants to waste the time it'll take to get the thing to 60 let alone the 1/4 mile. First he went from betting 96's and now 3.0l next it'll be the 3.5.

If he is saying he can beat a 3.0l which can beat or run about even with a 3.5 auto then he's saying that he will either be running neck and neck with a 3.5 or beating one.

Now tell me who's lying?

Originally posted by thrasher
yeah, unfortunately, jbl is right, a v6 altima will piss on any pre 2k2 Maxima, for the sample fact that it has an easy and obvious torque advantage. i don't want this to start some stupid ass argument, the fact remains that a well driven 3.5 SE altima will beat a well driven 3.0l Max, anyday, anytime

But he's not driving a 3.5 he has the wimpy @$$ 2.5 SE with the fastest slickest shifting 5spd in the world, so now he can beat a 3.0l V6 Maxima, go figure:rolleyes:

Whew, I managed to find probably the one and only road test results for the slow @$$ 2.5S 5spd Altima:

Here it is:

Altima : 2.5-liter, 5-speed manual
Engine: 2.5-liter L4
Horsepower: 175 @ 6000
Torque: 180 @ 4000

Acceleration: 0-60 mph in 8.5 sec. 1/4-mile in 16.6 sec.

Top Speed: 124 mph

Braking: 60-0 mph in 120 ft.

Road Holding: 0.82 g.

Fuel Economy: 24 (City) / 33 (Highway)

And don't forget he beat an 3.0L auto Max that does these times:

0-60=7.5
1/4mile=15.2 @ 92.7mph
Top Speed=130+

Who do you believe these times were the same give or take a tenth of a second or .2 on any site that I looked at.
There was very little data for a 5spd 2.5 or any 2.5, 99.9% offered no info on 0-60/Top Speed or 1/4 mile times.

But somehow JBL's, oops, I mean Nick (he's the only one who doesn't like to be called by his sign-on name) states that he can beat this car with the engine he has.

Somehow I believe Nissan or someone else made him believe that he has a 3.5, oops sorry, wrong answer.

So his standard answer again will be race me or shut up because he's already beaten 3.0l auto Maxs :rolleyes: and because he's such a great driver with the best, fastest shifting 5spd in any car that he can make up that difference.
Meanwhile that experienced 3.0L V6 222hp with intake Maxima driver is just going to be sitting there waiting for him to rev up while he calmly sits there with the OD on and not use any torque braking techniques nor manual shifting techniques and he's just gonna beat the Max's @$$ in his car with less torque and a smaller lesser hp powered car.
Ok, ladies and gents, have we learned anything today:

And the moral of this story is bullshoooochu, sorry I had to sneeze and please forgive the long post.