david-b's 95 Eagle Talon ESi-T Motor Build

I thought you were referring to something cool I don't even know about.

Me referring to something cool? Never

Today went to the car with some new settings specific for the 750s. After doing some other work suck as installing a new ground off the battery I cranked it and she fired right up. Not only that but she warmed up great as well. It took me by surprise as its only 27 and snowing badly here. Idle is a little high and running rich but wont play with that until I reconnect the WG. Im excited.
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Awesome Dave. Were did you get that map from? I would like to try it out. Maybe it will help my cold starts out. It will warmup fine but takes a few starts before it will catch.

Today I put over 15 miles on the car. Its running and its running great. I did all the WOT runs from idle to 4000rpm and been braking using the engine all day. The car is feeling great. Didn't go over about 5,200rpm. I took a lot of logs with MS and let the Analyzer do the fuel. I reconnected the WG spring and drove some more, making sure not to boost. The car ran better then. The turbo does sound pretty sweet. It seems like its going to take some time to build boost. But it has a nice little kick to it, even still in vacuum. I then washed her up.

Problems:
-Idle is about 1500rpm which is way too much.
-Fuel still a little rich at idle
-Oil leak off valve cover still
-Small exhaust leak off of WG pipe

But other than that, it's running great.

That is incredible!! Just think, days ago you were thinking about giving up. That's awesome.

I'm always thinking of giving up on this thing :lol:

I really do wish it was warmer though so I can finish her up. I want to get those little leaks fixed pretty quickly and figure out the idle. Been told possible vacuum leak so I'll go through all of those and see what's going on. Still have to clean up the inside... MS is on the floor, wires are all over the place, panels are missing... it's messy.

Like I said I'm hoping to add more miles on it this week, so I'll be running it a little more. I want it to start seeing some boost. I'll be logging every trip and adjusting fuel between runs. But it's supposed to snow, rain and be cold all this week, so we'll see how much it actually gets driven. I kept the battery connected to the car this time so we'll see if that will be dead when I get back to it. If not, the car comes back home until the Grand Am is finished. Side note, Grand Am's head is at the machine shop today.

Only pic I got was car at the car wash. Got one covered in soap too, but it's pink soap so it looks gay... and my car is not gay :)
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Looks awesome Dave. You will get it sorted out.

my car is not gay :)


Lol yea right. :greddy2:

Hmm.....the car has to be gay, or you atleast.

Because if I recall......

I most acurately remember seeing a picture of you giving the car some penis in its mouth.

Super Sexy!!1!

Lol yea right. :greddy2:

Hmm.....the car has to be gay, or you atleast.

Because if I recall......

I most acurately remember seeing a picture of you giving the car some penis in its mouth.

My car is a girl, so she does take it. And there's only pic of of me ever humping her haha.

For some reason the turbo is not building boost. It gets right out of vacuum and then stops. Gauge shows ~0psi, MS logged it maxes out at ~1.1psi. I checked the turbo and WG when I got home last night and everything seems fine. Really don't understand what the problem could be.

wastegate has to be hanging open or something??

I think the yearly, Winter Battery Fail is over with. Every year, I would always have to jump the car when it started getting cold, even with new batteries it would still fail. But with the new battery and new alternator, the thing has been charging and starting fine.

Last night the car was an ice cube. Encased in about 0.35" of ice. Loaded some new starting settings because the car was a little lean during warmup. The car turned right over. Couple nights before, car took 8 times before she would hold her idle. Yesterday took only 3. I had new throttle settings and thing would almost die when revving, still acting lean... so still have some work there. Temp was ~27* last night and was snowing/raining. I'm going to get this thing to start up perfect when cold before the winter is out.

Plus, the coolant temp is looking much better now, but still using the MAT for the starting settings.

Didn't have a chance to work on the boost issue yet. Hopefully this weekend though. Car may head back to the garage for that.

Finally hit 50miles today. Looking good from what I see. I just changed the AFR table. For some reason had a bunch of 10/11afrs at around the 3500rpm mark on a couple rows. For sure why the car was running so rich. Havent loaded that into the car yet. But I bet that helps out some.

As for the starting this morning, I forgot to log it. Took a while again. Running great while idling still, but if I touch the gas it would lean up and almost die. Have to wait until the temps reach ~140*. It also feels like it's taking awhile for something to kick in. Like once the car actually idles, it'll sit there being all rough for a little bit, then something kicks in and idle goes fine. Probably the warmup kicking in. Im going to log it later once the car cools down.

Blew off the IC coupler again off the turbo at 4psi. Replaced that it's taking a long time for it to build boost.... sadly its snowing badly and cold so I can't work on it today. But I'm about 99% sure that there's a leak at a coupler.

I'm working on trying to get a video of this thing actually running, but each time something happens. And quite frankly, it's too damn cold to get anything done.

Last Sunday I believe, it was the oil feed line decided to get screwed up and spray oil all over the engine bay, causing it to smoke up the entire car, including the inside. Didn't have tools with me but made it home with it happening once more. This happened after cruising at ~3psi on a short piece of expressway for a little. Everything needs a good whipe down now.

The WG flange to the manifold is still leaking. After using gasket sealer and Liquid Weld, it still keeps blowing it out. Tonight, I'm taking the car to the garage and just welding it together. If the time comes when I need to seperate the 2, I'll just cut off the flange and weld on the pipe so then I can at least position it better. This exhaust leak has actually gotten so bad, it's screwing up my idle and AFRs, causing me not being able to tune properly.

When there are no exhaust leaks, the car runs great though. I had that idle problem before it was bouncy and fluctuating pretty badly, but I've since changed MegaSquirt to base the throttle off the MAP instead of the TPS, and have gotten much better results. She purrs nicely with that.

For cold starts, I'm using some settings from a neon with 750s. Before it was taking 10-20 cranks before she would start and idle properly... last night with a temp of 17*, took 2 tries and started right up :)

Last but not least, my PS and Alt locked up the other day, and hoping it's just that the belts are too tight. I'll be working on that today as well. It's only happened twice, but that's 2 times too many.

I've haven't hit anything about 5psi. Mostly because my tires won't hook up... ever. Ground has been wet from all the snow and rain. Plus my tires suck. Pretty badly apparently. I'm waiting for all the little problems to be worked out and then take it on the expressway and give it a little boost.

Oh, and my driver door lock no longer will work with my key. WTF!

I think that's about it. Got to get all the little things fixed by tomorrow since I'm driving all over the city for NYE.

Figured I do an update since haven't had one in awhile.

Hit ~140 miles on the new motor. Slowly but surely adding more. A good 30 of those miles were just this weekend. I still really haven't taken her long distances yet. Still a little nervous with her yet. I need to get over that. I for sure HAVE to change the oil this weekend. Already picked up all materials so it's going to happen.

The battery was totally dead last week from the last time I was trying to start it it wouldn't crank. I ended up taking a torch to the starter and it cranked fine, but sadly the battery was too low already. Finally just bought a battery charger and got it up and running again on Saturday. The upper radiator hose decided to start leaking so fixed that. She's been running good though.

I tried the 4-squirt setting that Jason has been playing with and was unhappy with the results so switched back to 2. I've been logging everything and adjusting the map, but it seems as if the AEM EUGO and MS are not on the same page yet. And this causing some issues with the maps being too rich most of the time. Getting 12.5afrs at idle, but got some good numbers elsewhere. Cold starts are doing ok, running a little lean when warming up, but if I shut it off and restart, she'll be fine then. Any ideas on that Jay?

As for boost, I've been giving her most boost when I can. I haven't hit above 5psi (according to the logs) but she pulls great. Takes a little bit of time, but when the thing builds boost the tires keep breaking free. Ground/tires are cold and lack of tread kind of kills it. Haven't blown off any IC pipes or anything else so it seems to be holding up good. I think I have an exhaust leak somewhere because I can smell it pretty badly inside the car when boosting, so going to check that out this weekend too.

Sounds like your making good progress man, keep it up and of course, keep us informed.

Finally stole the pics from my parents from when I did the swap, so I'll add those up. Other than that, the SFMU is leaking fuel and car hasn't moved in a while. Just working on Grand Am lately.

Rolling Out
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Prepping
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New clutch & the old
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Flat Black paint
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Motor up
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MEEE!!! "I did that!"
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Going in
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Bird's-Eye View. I think the clamps broke soon afterward
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Finally In
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Checking timing... still dead on
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How the night ended
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2 days later!
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Couple more

Lunch time
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Installing flywheel
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Sexy stuff man. After you get her running top notch, drop it, throw on some 18's (or better), get the body straight, and squirt some new paint on there. She'll be sexxxxx

Thanks. I decided I'm going to use my old Enkei's that I have. Just have to get new rubbers for them. Then a ~2in drop all around with some stiff springs, full camber kit and front brake upgrade... all be done by this summer. I'm also hoping to get some larger wheels with some near-slicks for the front for strictly track use. But not really needed at the moment.

If you want a cheaper tire that performs well, I have nothing but good to say about the federal 595's. I ran them on the eclipse and the neon, and they handle awesome, and they are sticky! They look good and they are cheap. They are soft though, so if you spin them a whole lot, you will know it.

These are the street version that I have run:
http://www.federaltire.com/en/html/pdetail.php?DB=motosports&pdline=1&ID=1

Then this is a more competition version that I have yet to use, but also cheap:
http://www.federaltire.com/en/html/pdetail.php?DB=motosports&pdline=3&ID=3

I think I am going to go with the 595's on the back, then run the 595RS-R's on the front. ;)

Looks good man, Fram oil filter FTL tho. Where is the SFMU leaking at? Has to be one of the fittings.

Fram oil filter FTL tho.

Seriously? What is recommended?

To me, an oil filter is an oil filter. I like frams because they have the grip. Basically all I use on my cars.

Ya it's the bottom fittings. Don't understand why though considering it's all tefloned and bolted up good. Actually going out there in an hour or so to look at it.

I too always use FRAM, thought maybe there was something cool out there I didn't even know about.

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1662838

There is plenty of threads like this out there. Some have said that they have taken used Frams apart and the inside is just destroyed.

I too dont like Frams, but I'm just a brand whore. I used Purolator Pure One's (yea the ugly mustard colored ones) on basically all my cars. They are relatively cheap and 99.9% filtering efficiency. On my red car though, I usually buy the Mobil One oil cange special and it comes with the Mobil One filter.

When I do my oil change (needs to be done NOW) I'll switch it up then. I just enjoy the convenience of the grips. Makes it so much easier to get off.

I attempted to fix the fuel leak on Sunday and was hoping to start it last night. Battery was dead though. So that's charged. If it doesn't leak and I can get the WB working right on MS I'll be driving this car all weekend (assuming no snow).

Its trial and error on the WB settings, I just started with the top one and tested all of them then picked the closest one. Mine is almost dead on.

See I thought I got mine close, and it's fine for the first part of driving. But after awhile, it just gets way off, and MS will be reading 14s and the AEM will be showing 11-12s. I just really need to sit down with it and try everything. Hate that for being the AEM and having the AEM setting, that it doesn't match up right.

Do you have a tunable WB? mine can be set to different lambda ranges so its off in dsmlink unless it matches the lambda range of the WB wideband I have selected in DSMlink. Maybe a problem like that?

Do you have a tunable WB? mine can be set to different lambda ranges so its off in dsmlink unless it matches the lambda range of the WB wideband I have selected in DSMlink. Maybe a problem like that?

Yeah I just learned that it is adjustable. Played with it a couple weekends ago when it was a little warmer and getting it a little better. It's just constant tweaking. Need a little more.

Other than that, car basically just been sitting. The snow is a little too high to drive. I was forced to take it to work today (woke up WAAAY late) and she ran pretty good. Was the farthest I've taken her.

Multitasking... working and tuning.
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I found out why the ALT and PS was slipping. Seems like the pulley is not pulley torqued on the crank. So the crank will spin, the pulley does too, but just not as fast as it should be. That explains why it happens at high rpms too. I wanted to pull the wheel and try to torque the center bolt again this past weekend but didn't get to it.

Going to start pricing out suspension parts soon as well. Want dropped by June at latest.

You'd be really multitasking if you had a real cold one chilling next to you!!

You'd be really multitasking if you had a real cold one chilling next to you!!

If it was after 5 I'd be able to. Behind the left screen is a strawberry protein shake thing that we may be carrying soon, so I'm drinking that. P.S.... not that great of a drink.

Huh, is a Budweiser product?

We distribute many other brands as well. Our portfolio is pretty massive. It's made by Vital Pharmaceuticals but they don't distribute their own products. Most smaller companies can't afford to do that, so they have a distrubator do it.

That's cool, never knew that.

Did quite a bit of work today. Car has been running like a champ lately. WB is near matched up with MS, still tweaking that, but been doing some tuning as well. Have about 250 miles only on the motor.

Today installed the MBC finally. Bought a SS line and fittings so it's a super clean and classy setup.
All the fittings (bought a bunch of extras as well for other things)
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Best pic I could really take of it all installed
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Thing works great. Been on the e-way today tuning, but traffic got kind of bad so had to stop. Hit 8psi as a max today. It's so hard to keep the wheels on the ground. The thing is sweet though. Sounds like a plane taking off once it starts getting that high. Plan on a video tomorrow. My boy was supposed to take one today... fail

Random turbo shot of it still spinning after I shut the car off. Thing goes for another 30-45 seconds after turning the motor off.
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And some random church I stopped in the parking lot to check everything somewhere along the expressway. No idea where I was at.
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Was working on some leaks as well. The oil return was leaking a little, I think that got fixed. Still going to pull the valve cover off oneday and try to tighten the one head bolt as well. But other than that, after the expressway driving, there was 1 little drop of oil coming off the pan and that was it :) Very happy about that right now. I'm still cautious about pulling a full WOT 3rd gear pull. Just want everything to be perfect. Dyno time is scheduled in April

Edit: Oh, and MS shows about 234hp at ~7psi

Guess the turbo is well balanced!!

Do you have other tires in mind that will help hold her down?

Turbo must be. I did a damn good job on the rebuild :)

Haven't decided yet. People have recommended some good sets of rubbers. They'll be going on my rims in the summer. Not 100% sure on them yet since I'm working on the suspension as well. Lowering it will help with traction as well.

Dave, what size are those monitors your running there? Looks like a nice bit of workspace with that size and I'm very tired of dual 17's... Just not enough workspace sometimes and have kinda been lookin to upgrade... Was debating between 20's or 24's since I can get a great deal on each... Or possibly bumping up to some 32's just because I could. lol...

Just go with one of those 55" Toshiba Regza's, they have a RGB port on the back to connect up!1!

Those are 22" widescreens. Not huge, but much better than the single 17" I started off with. Decent amount of space for doing everything I do.

Hoping for videos today.

Since I'm going to be replacing the front seats with some nice racing seats, I decided that I'm going to redo the carpet as well. Between the multiple fires, leaks, spills, stains and whatever else is in there, it looks like shit. The light gray is nice when it's clean, but honestly, I can't get it clean anymore. 15 years will do that to a rug.

So when I pull the seats to replace, I'm going to tear up that carpet (that's what he said) and replace with a new one. I'm looking at different colors and had a company send me some samples of each. I'm thinking the darker one which is a charcoal color. The seats will be a silver/gray/black mixed combo. I don't have the exact seats picked out yet though.

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Camera phone doesn't do justice for the differences

I do have the option on getting a thicker rug that will block out a lot of road noise for a little extra, but it adds 25lbs to the car, so thinking I'll pass on that since this is becoming pretty much a full out project now.

Also while the carpet is torn up, I'm going to sand down and repaint the entire chasis under the rug. Get rid of any rust and anything else that is growing under there.

And lastly, had my first kill the other night. A riced-out Mazda MX6. I used to beat my buddies when he had his all day, even when I was N/T. Here we hopped on the expressway, him in front and I just pulled on him in 3rd. Was classic. You hear his ricer muffler screaming, working all hard. And then there I go... WHOOOOOOSH without even trying.

Today was finally nice enough to work on the car. I installed the new BOV, tried to do my best to not have to cut the 1G flange, but that failed. I installed the 1G flange on a Greddy-style flange but turned sidewise so the holes were still there. Installed no problem, used Neds awesome gasket. Took for a run, thing sounds ok, I hit about 8 pounds, and the thing is sitting there whistling, not letting me build boost. Took it apart, gasket was destroyed haha. Back to the 1G. I still may install this other one, but would get a new BOV adapter.

Called my boy and decided to do some filming. Videos are HERE (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=980393). Car ran like a champ. Was logging the entire thing. Probably ran a good 20 minutes or so. The boost controller wasn't dialed in properly yet, so I set the over-boost protection to 10psi. Car ran great! Close to the end, I needed to shift lanes so I down it to 3rd and move over, the car jerked (I think it was the over-boost) but made it in and the car was perfect still.

Getting off the expressway, I pop the car out of gear, and it dies. I start it back up while rolling up the ramp, and dies again. Ironically, this was the SAME ramp that it died when I blew the motor the first time.

I baby it home, each time car is in neutral it died. Made it home, opened hood, and see nothing wrong with anything. No unusual leaks or anything. Tried starting, same thing. Took a break to look at the log I took. Open MSTune, and log is corrupt. Open the file in a text editor, and it's blank :O WTF!!!

I let it cool down some, and she is idling ok now. Does have a weird noise coming from somewhere that I can't put my finger on. Almost sounds like the fuel pump priming at startup, but that doesn't make sense. I'm going to do a compression test when I find the tester and see what that comes up with. I'm kind of nervous right now about it. Hope nothing is screwed, but I'm pretty sure it is.

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That gasket was made from a high quality anti-tear post office packaging material. I will bet that it tried it's hardest to satisfy your every boosting need, but your just SO demanding.

Hope everything is cool with the engine BTW.

Ya dude I must have pushed it a little too hard to blow out such a quality gasket hahaha.

I hope its all good too. I'm just here looking at it thinking how much I hate that thing sometimes. I really have no idea what's wrong. Like I said, doing a compression test and take it from there!

That's the right state of mind to be in

The motor is probably fine, how was the AFR under boost?

How can you think that the motor will be fine? It won't idle properly. I wish I had a garage, I'd be in that already lol.

I had the car running really rich on purpose. But I was hitting parts on the fuel map that I haven't hit before. But again, it should have been rich. And since the stupid log didn't work, I can't see what was going on :(

If the log cut off that means MS corrupted for some reason. Resend the firmware to it and burn the tune to it again. I have had this happen before.

Your not pushing the car hard enough to break anything

Ok so going to try reloading the firmware tonight when I get home and hope that is the problem. That seems to be a common problem, so cross your fingers.

Also, looking to get a new FMIC now. I was holding out on buying one until this one got maxed out, but I wasn't too happy with the temps even under low boost.

Ambient temp was about 40* yesterday, and although I don't have a log to see how high it was going up to, each time I looked at the laptop the IATs were in the 90s. I feel those numbers a little high for that little amount of boost and cold temps.

Jason, are you suggesting that the problem that Dave is having with the car not wanting to run, Could be caused by MS becoming corrupted some how? That's also ironic that the last time you drove it, it broke down in the same place. As if the problem your having is after X amount of time.

Yea I have had MS just randomly freak out and corrupt the firmware. Usually the car will not even restart but I guess it may have messed up certain spots on the map or something. It only takes 5 min to do so its worth a shot to rule that out if nothing else.

No Ned not time amount, just same place on the expressway it died. First time motor was just gone by then after giving it boost after it was already breaking down. Main bearing, headgasket, and/or low compression were all shot then.

Actually now that I think about it, this was also the same place on the e-way that the old downpipe that ended up being all busted decided to tear the last thread and scrap on the ground. Note to self - get off the ramp before Harlem Ave. lol

It was taking time to restart. And after it cooled down, I still had to give it gas to get started. We'll see. Umm, I don't remember how to reupload the firmware...

So some bad news. Checked everything with MS, and no problems there. Did a compression test this evening and result were not good.

175-140-165-185

FML! Not sure what the deal is, but obviously, not good. Not bad bad... but not right. So... got couple more small tests to run, and then the head is coming off.

When pulling the plugs, the tops were covered in oil. The valve cover I know didn't seal right, and that just proved to me how bad that actually was. So getting new gaskets for there and going to seal that up right this time.

Also learned that in IL (and most other states), all cars 95 and earlier don't have to take emissions testing, so EVERYTHING with emissions is coming out. I already don't have a cat or the rear O2, but the EGR and all the charcoal shit is all coming out now too. Excited for that considering everyone I know, buddies and family all got emission test papers. I was worried that I would have to pull MS, put on a cat, and switch back to old injectors and shit... not any more!

So long story short, Talon will get torn apart, and hoping to have it fixed and running from 1 week of tear down.

You could try a leak down test. I really dont think thats your problem though. Like i said on facebook mine idled fine and i had 30psi on 2 cylinders. You even saw it for yourself. That compression does seem a little low in those 2 cylinders but i wouldn't say its blown just yet

Wait a minute... Let me throw this train in reverse... Your having the same kind of idle issues I am Dave? We should be working together to figure this out so I can drive my F@&*$! car... That is really the only thing stopping me you realize...

I dont think its the same issue your having brian. Daves car was running fine then he boosted it and it made some noise and now it wont idle.