david-b's 95 Eagle Talon ESi-T Motor Build

Brian, aren't you still having issues sealing the intake manifold to the head?

It idles fine when I start it. Had it going yesterday for a little bit. Idle is just in the 700-850 mark. When I rev, it does that fine. When rpms drop back down, it goes really low to the point about to die, or will die. But starts right back up. I was actually thinking about driving it a little and boost the shit out of it and see what happens, but keepin it close to home.

Never done a leak down. How do I do that? I don't have a leak at the IM for sure, Bri.

I want to start tearing it apart this weekend, but wondering what I should do. Pull the pistons and check all the rings? The valves are fine. New Headgasket?

a leak down test is when you put the tested cylinder at TDC and pressize it to 150psi or so and listen for leaks. If it leaks out the intake the intake valve isint sealing. If you hear air coming out the oil cap then it could be the rings

Any way to do that without a compressor? Car has to stay at my place and I don't have anything to do that with.

idk doubt it, you may be able to use a tire compressor tho

Started the tear down last night. Got some good progress. Just have to drain the fluids and take off the exhaust manifold.

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Wanted to get all that done this weekend. But it's going from 65 today, to 30s this weekend with 2" of snow. Lame.

But will pop off the head. Pull the pistons. Check the rings. Redo if need be. And see what else is gonig on in there. The valve cover did not seal at all. Oil all over the place. Will be taking off to

I'l going to block off the IAC on the throttle body, as well as the one tube that goes to the charcoal canister. I pulled the EGR valve and all hoses and everything with relating to emissions. Found the law saying that all 95 and earlier cars dont have to take the test in IL and most other states. So that shit is all gone.

Little update. Head is pulled off. So far everything looks good. Ordered new rings and a ring grinder. Will pull the pistons and throw on the new rings. Trying to find out when my machine shop is open to check the head for flatness.

Head didn't seat properly along the timing belt. Even though it had one of the highest compression, that's where it was leaking on down the back.
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Cleaned off the top 2, still like new
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Valves all look good as well
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Head gasket is NOT blown
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Found out why my shifter has been soft going into 2,4, and R. Part of the linkage cable popped out from this sleeve thing. So got to fix that

If you replace the rings you have to hone the cylinders out

But that's just using that little honer tool one through right? Never done it but not hard.... right? right?

Shouldn't be to hard I don't guess. Should be some good tutorials online. I have heard that the ball hones work the best. The repair manual should help out some to

Interesting Stuff!!

Was watching the vids, seems easy enough. What if there's still the cross-hatching on the walls yet? Is the honing still neccessary? Or is it anytime the rings get replaced it HAS to be done?

And when it's all back together I had to diable the WG again and do those pulls again right? I think I'll do that longer this time around.

You must hone the cylinders everytime you change the rings. If you remember when you got it back from the machine shop last time you could feel the crosshatching in the cylinders. This is what files the rings slightly causing them to seat. Even tho you can see the crosshatching its not rough enough to seat the rings. This roughness wears off in the first few miles thats why its important to seat the rings quick when you first start a motor.

Makes sense. Sounds good. Will be honed then. I know AutoZone rents these things anyways so wasn't trying to be cheap, just trying to save time.

Went to a local performance shop's open house tonight and my buddies built up some huge hype about my car, so now everyone wants to see it run lol. Damn. I talked to the owner about a small 4 or 6 point cage so I can go with the racing seats and a harness, and they have a guy. So I'll be talking to them more. Very knowledgeable people. They also run an AutoX that happens nearly every weekend in the summer... I'm there.

I got my rings in today... or should I say ring. Website didn't say, and I probably should have connected the 2, that the price I paid was literally for only 1 piston. So now I have to order 3 more. Plus my ring grinder is on back-order.

There's a 1G Talon in that first row in front of the Audi station, that it's suck a hack job, that they're sending it back to the owner so they can't be held liable if anything happens.
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Only 1 ring, lol that sucks. Ordered a new hg to right?

Only 1 ring, lol that sucks. Ordered a new hg to right?

No, do I need one? I thought the Cometics you can reuse

No idea on the cosmetic hgs. I use mls so not to familiar with those hgs. I always replace it tho just to be sure it won't leak

I'll check on Tuners. I really think they're a muti-use piece. Really don't want to spend another $80 for a headgasket.

3 other rings are ordered.

Update for this week...

-Still waiting on the rest of the rings to come in

-Cleaning up the MegaSquirt wiring that I had all rigged up like in the previous pics. Need to get some loom to cover them all now. Actually got the stock ECU wiring cover to fit over all the wires with some modification and it's looking good. No pics of that yet until it's done

-Did bunch of other wire tucking

-Finished up the throttle body. IAC is completely disabled and the passage for the idle air to flow is completely blocked (with pennies :) ). Also the port for the evap is now welded shut as well

-Welded on a -6an fitting on the thermostat to the coolant reservoir. Just had a -6an line clamped up to it before and worked fine, just didn't look complete

-Couple weeks back I was shifting aggressively and been having problems shifting into 2, 4, and R. Turns out 1 of the shifter cables had a metal piece pop out from this sleeve thing. I took it all apart and used new clamps and reinstalled. Feel perfect again. Hope it holds like that forever

-Polished the compressor of the turbo. Took 5 hours, and far from perfect, but I think it looks good. It's shiny... and that works for me. I had painted it chrome originally but got fed up with the paint dripping off and getting all over the place when working on. Such as hassle and it didn't look good. Pic below

-My boy with the IS300 is selling his rims from it and we decided to test them to see how they look on my car. Price is right, but needs new tires. They're pretty light too. Not sure if I'm going to get them yet though. Each time I look at the car with them on, I think of his MX6 since the body styles are really close. Opinions?

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Those rims look really good on there, good choice.

Yea rims look good. Need to drop that thing tho

Ya I need to do the suspension this summer as well, but again was just trying them on. Not sure how I feel about them still though. I've got it printed out at my office so I can stare at them all day. Wish the car was clean when I took those pics, would help out a lot. But seriously, I just keep seeing the MX6 those used to be on when I see the car lol.

EDIT: Oh also, the tires are 2 different sizes between the front and the back. Back are low-pros, I believe 35s IIRC. Way too low for me. I like some meat on them (that's what she said)

Twss! ;)

Sadly did not get too much work done this week on the beast. It was nice outside, and I had to take full advantage of that. However, did get somethings done. Wanted to devote today to doing everything, but it's pouring right now :(

-Finally got my new Cometic headgasket in. This is number 2, I hope I don't have to ever buy a 3rd one. These things get pricey.

-I liked how the SS lines and fittings looked for the MBC, but didn't like that I just had on the WG and turbo it just clamped. So I bought the right fittings and made it complete. I have an addiction to this stuff I think. Sadly, I bled all over the place from them, including my feet because I was cutting the line in my kitchen while barefoot and the little strands get everywhere. Totally worth it though.

-Took out all evap/emissions stuff. Just have the bracket that holds the canistor in place, but it's mad rusted onto the frame, so when I pull off the bumper I can do it then.

-Picked up the head from the machine shop. They checked it for flatness and it was A-ok. The owner was very impressed with the porting/polishing job that was originally done on it from my original machine shop when I built the head. He said he wouldn't have done work like that, and that it's very high performance. $10 for checking and a basic wipe-down and deburring. 2 day turn around. Beat that!

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Classy
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Couple pounds worth taken out.
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Nice. I like the use of the stainless. Looks super hard compared to regular old vacuum line.

Nice. I like the use of the stainless. Looks super hard compared to regular old vacuum line.

Thanks. I have the problems with vacuum lines breaking and leaking. I decided to the the SS awhile back and it turned out great, but 'as an artist' I didn't like how it didn't look complete. I always hated dealing with putting them together, but actually getting pretty good at it. The -4an is a little bitch. -6an I could cut and put the ends on in seconds now. I want to replace nearly all lines with this stuff at some point.

But the plan is no leaks or breaks... ever, while making under the hood nice.

Damn dave 5 post, I think that may be a first. lol Car is looking good. Thats a lot of stainless lines. When is the projected finish date now

SS lines looks sexy. More pics.

AF was being stupid. I hit post, walked away... 15 mintues later was still 'posting.' Only hit it once. I wonder how many times it would have posted if I just let it keep going.

It's going to keep raining nearly all week around here. yesterday was absoutley beautiful, but had to go to my parents and stuff. As soon as I got home, it poured... and it poured hard. Going to be the same all week basically, so who knows. Was supposed to go to 2 car meets this coming weekend (IS300 meet and a 3kgt meet) but I see that's not happening, well not in my car.

that sucks man. Its suppose to be 90* here today. My car is not yet running at the moment either so Dave you still have a chance to win! Could you tell anything by the rings? did the pistons looks like they were getting some blow by? The only thing I can think of happening is you dicked around with MS to much before seating the rings and it caused them not to seal all the way

Haven't even pulled the pistons yet. My bro had stolen my jack/stands from my parents garage so just got them on Saturday and like I said, just haven't had the time with all this other stuff going on.

This time MS is running fine and don't need to configure anything at first startup. Remember I was haivng all those problems with idling, richness, and then the FP was way too high? This time I can start it and should be able to do the breakin right away.

It's about 68* and bright as hell right now but supposed to start raining at 5, but if it's still good, I'll be out there as long as possible.

It rained this morning but its nice now. My fuel pump should be in wed-thurs. So I'm down at least then!

Rain held off for the most part today. Started drizzling when I was finishing up and 3 hours later started pouring. But I was able to finish what I wanted to today.

-Dropped cross-member
-Dropped oil pan
-Popped out pistons

Cylinder walls are in perfect shape. You can see where the rings are being grinded down and there's still cross-hatching. Will still hone it again.

Pistons themself are in great shape as well, no burn, scorns or damage. Rods, caps, and bearings all fine too.

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Rings... not aligned properly.
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I see 3 gaps on just this one side, which would cause the problems. Not good. Not sure why the car would run perfectly for the start, and then once I started boosting it caused problems. Seems it should have had issues the entire time. But at least there's no damage to anything. I'll re-ring, align (probably have someone double check my work :) ),hone, and reinstall.

Busted out the camera today and took some real pics of the SS (got bored). Can see the polish job a little better. Not perfect, but good enough for me.
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That's DayUm sexy.

And straight from left field... Foti! lol

Update for this Sunday
-Re-reringed the pistons
-Honed the cylinders (ps, don't rent anything from AutoZone FYI)
-Pistons back in
-Head/IM bolted down

Did the rings in about an hour. Turned out perfect and the rings are in the right position this time
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How the day ended. Not too bad.
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Doing a lot of wire tucking and hoping to hide ALOT of wires/hoses. If you look at my previous pics, on the 420a, on the IM there's a lot of wires and shit that go between the IM and the head. This is how mine is. Even got the wiring harness for it down below the IM.
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And lastly, if you guys have the opportunity to see a soccer game, go for it. So much fun. Chicago Fire home opener was last night and all I remember was drinking and pre-gaming for 3+ hours before hand.
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Nice progress big dawg. You'll have that thing back right soon. And then....video time

You have to be an expert at taking the 420A apart by now! That's awesome man!! Definitely get her running again and make a teaser video or something.

Caleb, did you make a going away video of the Spyder before it left (if it's gone already)?

Last time I took video, I had to tear her down afterwards lol. Was kind of mad because I was supposed to go to the track this weekend. My boy with the IS300 ran 15.7, 15.8, 15.9. Don't know anything else about those times as I haven't seen the slips. But I was supposed to be there killing him haha


I'll be doing a much longer break-in process this time around. I'm pretty sure that with the rings being good now that it'll work fine, but I don't want to have ANY problems again. Just don't want want to do this again. My buddy is coming by sometime this week to help with the timing and will be good to go by this weekend.

Ned, I think me and Jason can tear these things apart and put them back together again in no time. We should have a contest lol. Still somethings I'm still unsure of from time to time, so I'll text him. Jay's my hero sometimes haha ("Hey pretty lady!").

Yea we are deffinately professionals now. Dave I think you may be the only one who knows about that. :lol2:

That your way of hollering at girls Jason??

Ned: The guy was a dead beat. So I still have the car, and will probably relist it tomorrow or the next day (had to open up a Non Payment Case).

What a POS. You said he's from NY, Where abouts?

Lets just say that i have a little too much fun downtown some nights

Lets just say that i have a little too much fun downtown some nights


...and the understandment of the year goes to.... Jason! DING DING DING!

...and the understandment of the year goes to.... Jason! DING DING DING!

Dave I think your making me seem like a bad person :)

Dave I think your making me seem like a bad person :)

If you're a bad person... I'm the devil :evillol:

This is true

.......right.

Ned: Im not exactly sure where abouts hes from.

So I was trying to get the UDP off for 2 hours last night and failed miserably. I punch the fender and dented it in the process. P.S. Hand is swollen and bruised.

I'm using a 2 jaw puller, with a rod in the middle of the crank, tighten the puller, works fine, and then the puller just pops off. Pulley moved about 1/4" and that's it. So pissed at that thing.

On the under drive pulley I always use bolts threaded into it and a steering wheel puller. But you at least need a 3 jaw puller. Why are you just now taking the udp off?

Can't thread anything into it. It's solid.

Just never got around to it I guess. But need the tensioner off, and you can't do that with the UDP on

Does the SFMU have to sit standing up or can it be positioned anyway? Have a new place I want to mount it

It should be fine, it just works off vac/boost pressure so it should be able to be mounted in any direction

I'm losing you guys on the abreviations, SFMU and UDP?

super fuel management unit. Under drive pulley

Mmm k. I'm on the right page now.

Looks good Dave have you started her up yet

^+1

Looks like nothing ever happened!!