david-b's 95 Eagle Talon ESi-T Motor Build
david-b
10-04-2009, 12:38 PM
I'm renting a hoist so I want to keep it as short of time as possible. And since the crank pulley aint coming off, it may be sooner than later. I still have to cut out the old strut tower and get that done. Plus going to wash out the bay before the new one goes in.
As far the damage to the stocker, looks like cylinder 3 was causing the low compression. When turning the motor by hand, oil/water (mixed) is coming up into the combustion chamber. Pretty bad too. There also seems to be pretty significant play at the crank which makes me believe a bearing or 2 are gone. It doesn't make the noise anymore though when I crank by hand so who knows.
I'm headed there right now to get some work done. Pics later.
As far the damage to the stocker, looks like cylinder 3 was causing the low compression. When turning the motor by hand, oil/water (mixed) is coming up into the combustion chamber. Pretty bad too. There also seems to be pretty significant play at the crank which makes me believe a bearing or 2 are gone. It doesn't make the noise anymore though when I crank by hand so who knows.
I'm headed there right now to get some work done. Pics later.
david-b
10-04-2009, 06:05 PM
david-b
10-05-2009, 10:19 AM
Update from yesterday...
Got pretty much everything except the crank pulley and sprocket from the old block. That thing is ready to get pulled. I'm think I may lower the car, and then drop the motor out through the bottom.
-All fuel lines in the bay are now SS with fittings
-SFMU installed
-Getting new alternator before it goes in
-Repainting all coolant lines
-Grinded down thermo housing to fit manifold
I just have to retap an exhaust hole (stud broke) and the manifold will be on along with the turbo.
Should start cutting out the strut tower sometime this week and get that going.
And need to finish up wiring megasquirt soon.
Not sure on when the new one is going in yet. I'm thinking 10/17 is looking good if not sooner
Got pretty much everything except the crank pulley and sprocket from the old block. That thing is ready to get pulled. I'm think I may lower the car, and then drop the motor out through the bottom.
-All fuel lines in the bay are now SS with fittings
-SFMU installed
-Getting new alternator before it goes in
-Repainting all coolant lines
-Grinded down thermo housing to fit manifold
I just have to retap an exhaust hole (stud broke) and the manifold will be on along with the turbo.
Should start cutting out the strut tower sometime this week and get that going.
And need to finish up wiring megasquirt soon.
Not sure on when the new one is going in yet. I'm thinking 10/17 is looking good if not sooner
vanilla gorilla
10-05-2009, 10:53 AM
Good job so far bo. I have dropped FWD motors out the bottom before and its pie. Just might want to have someone guiding the motor while you lower the jack.
david-b
10-05-2009, 11:26 AM
Good job so far bo. I have dropped FWD motors out the bottom before and its pie. Just might want to have someone guiding the motor while you lower the jack.
Thanks.
Ya I wasn't going to do it myself. I have to take off the flex-part of the exhaust since it stops right under the motor. Don't want to damage that shit. Should also take off the bumper and the FMIC then so I don't damage those. But it seems like this is how it's going to come out.
Thanks.
Ya I wasn't going to do it myself. I have to take off the flex-part of the exhaust since it stops right under the motor. Don't want to damage that shit. Should also take off the bumper and the FMIC then so I don't damage those. But it seems like this is how it's going to come out.
david-b
10-05-2009, 10:40 PM
Dropped the block today.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1005091951Medium.jpg
Burned out clutch. This thing is only 2 or 3 years old. Can't see how bad it is since it's modular, but the fins on the pressure plate are abused badly
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1005091950bMedium.jpg
Cleaning up after the pull
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1005091949Medium.jpg
Checking out the clutch fork and cleaning some more.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1005092053aMedium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1005091951Medium.jpg
Burned out clutch. This thing is only 2 or 3 years old. Can't see how bad it is since it's modular, but the fins on the pressure plate are abused badly
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1005091950bMedium.jpg
Cleaning up after the pull
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1005091949Medium.jpg
Checking out the clutch fork and cleaning some more.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1005092053aMedium.jpg
vanilla gorilla
10-07-2009, 01:30 AM
What kind of clutch was that? And what does it mean by "modular"?
SilvrEclipse
10-07-2009, 01:39 AM
Modular clutches are a complete clutch: flywheel, disc, and pressure plate all rivet together. This clutch then bolts to a flex plate which has the teeth for the starter. Thats why he said he cant take it apart because is all riveted together. You can drill them out and open it up if he really wants to.
david-b
10-07-2009, 09:49 AM
I don't remember what brand it was. It's an aftermarket clutch I got when I did the tranny, but holding power was just a little more over stock (wasn't thinking ahead for the turbo).
But Silvr is right, modular is one piece. I really don't care enough to drill out the rivet. You can see the fins on the plate are bad though. They're actually starting to bend in pretty badly.
Didn't work on it last night.
But Silvr is right, modular is one piece. I really don't care enough to drill out the rivet. You can see the fins on the plate are bad though. They're actually starting to bend in pretty badly.
Didn't work on it last night.
vanilla gorilla
10-07-2009, 10:06 AM
Never seen a modular clutch before....learned something today.
SilvrEclipse
10-07-2009, 10:21 AM
Dave the fingers on the plate should not be bent, no matter how much wear is on the clutch.
david-b
10-07-2009, 11:06 AM
Dave the fingers on the plate should not be bent, no matter how much wear is on the clutch.
They're more pushed in than bent.
They're more pushed in than bent.
david-b
10-08-2009, 11:28 AM
Worked 16 hours yesterday so didn't get to the garage. I was hoping tonight I'll get there but may be a repeat of yesterday again. I've got parts coming in today and tomorrow so I should be able to make some more progress for the next time I get there.
I found a hoist on Craigslist too that I may just buy. It's only $15 more than renting one and pretty local.
I found a hoist on Craigslist too that I may just buy. It's only $15 more than renting one and pretty local.
david-b
10-11-2009, 04:51 PM
Put some good amount of work into the car the last couple days. Worked 10-4 yesterday and like 9-2 today. Not bad.
Cut out the rusted strut tower yesterday and bought some 22ga sheet metal. The rusted part basically fell right off of the car. I think my parents have some pics of the hole I made but I don't here at my place. I took the metal and did some basic bends with it, tacked into place, and then used a torch to shape the rest of it. I then welded it the rest of the way. Apparently, 22ga is too thin for even the lightest setting on my welder. I kept burning holes in the metal that I had to keep patching up. Plus the paint stuff inside the wheel well kept catching fire while I was working on it. Took 2 days to get nearly what I wanted. I have to prime, sand, prime, sand and then paint it up good. So keep in mine this isnt the best looking right now. However, the metal took shape really well and is solid in there (which is really all that matters)
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091322cMedium.jpg
Made mounts for the FMIC so it'll be level for this time around. Not installed yet, but is ready to go. Going to be running the same one I was before until I max out its efficiency. Pic of some misc parts.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091322Medium.jpg
Got the upper IM installed along with the IM heat spacer. Should help keep IATs down a little I'm hoping. Oil pickup, oil pan, and crank scrapper are all installed also. And lastly, all the oil lines for the turbo are ran. -10an return and -4an feed still. Purchased new oil pressure sender from GlowShift since I ruined the old one and have all that installed on the back of the block. EGR system entirely installed now also.
Back shot of the motor. Little dark.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091321aMedium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091321Medium.jpg
Lastly, with the slimline fans, I had ghetto-rigged them to the front of my radiator so they really didn't stay up there too well. They never fell off or out or anything, just tilted funny sometimes and I'm sure wasn't doing the best job they could be. So I bought some metal brackets with the holes in them every # of inches and cut that. I attached it where the bolts for the headlight (bottom) go and used longer bolts and then buts behind the brace. Actually works out extrememly well. The fans will then be mounted to the brace via their brackets and probably some zip ties in front of the radiator (push style instead of pull). I can also then hide the wires for them inside the front radiator support and basically makes those disappear. When the radiator is in place, it sits totally flush with the brace/fans. The I'll just add some rubber pieces behind the braces so they don't vibrate on the radiator. Don't have close ups of everything yet until it's done, but I think it's turning out extrememly well.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091322aMedium.jpg
And last but not least I ended up cracking up my buddies car that I've been borrowing for a week. Had the right-away to turn left and lady hit me.
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs245.snc1/9216_160851077704_514997704_2817275_2858525_n.jpg
Cut out the rusted strut tower yesterday and bought some 22ga sheet metal. The rusted part basically fell right off of the car. I think my parents have some pics of the hole I made but I don't here at my place. I took the metal and did some basic bends with it, tacked into place, and then used a torch to shape the rest of it. I then welded it the rest of the way. Apparently, 22ga is too thin for even the lightest setting on my welder. I kept burning holes in the metal that I had to keep patching up. Plus the paint stuff inside the wheel well kept catching fire while I was working on it. Took 2 days to get nearly what I wanted. I have to prime, sand, prime, sand and then paint it up good. So keep in mine this isnt the best looking right now. However, the metal took shape really well and is solid in there (which is really all that matters)
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091322cMedium.jpg
Made mounts for the FMIC so it'll be level for this time around. Not installed yet, but is ready to go. Going to be running the same one I was before until I max out its efficiency. Pic of some misc parts.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091322Medium.jpg
Got the upper IM installed along with the IM heat spacer. Should help keep IATs down a little I'm hoping. Oil pickup, oil pan, and crank scrapper are all installed also. And lastly, all the oil lines for the turbo are ran. -10an return and -4an feed still. Purchased new oil pressure sender from GlowShift since I ruined the old one and have all that installed on the back of the block. EGR system entirely installed now also.
Back shot of the motor. Little dark.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091321aMedium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091321Medium.jpg
Lastly, with the slimline fans, I had ghetto-rigged them to the front of my radiator so they really didn't stay up there too well. They never fell off or out or anything, just tilted funny sometimes and I'm sure wasn't doing the best job they could be. So I bought some metal brackets with the holes in them every # of inches and cut that. I attached it where the bolts for the headlight (bottom) go and used longer bolts and then buts behind the brace. Actually works out extrememly well. The fans will then be mounted to the brace via their brackets and probably some zip ties in front of the radiator (push style instead of pull). I can also then hide the wires for them inside the front radiator support and basically makes those disappear. When the radiator is in place, it sits totally flush with the brace/fans. The I'll just add some rubber pieces behind the braces so they don't vibrate on the radiator. Don't have close ups of everything yet until it's done, but I think it's turning out extrememly well.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1011091322aMedium.jpg
And last but not least I ended up cracking up my buddies car that I've been borrowing for a week. Had the right-away to turn left and lady hit me.
http://photos-d.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs245.snc1/9216_160851077704_514997704_2817275_2858525_n.jpg
vanilla gorilla
10-12-2009, 01:04 AM
Looking good man. Make sure you treat that bare metal with some self-etching primer.
david-b
10-16-2009, 01:01 AM
This is a better shot of the mount I made for the fans. Again, these are now pushing air in. Still have to wire up and put some sort of rubber between the bar the radiator so it doesn't rattle.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1015091926bMedium.jpg
Tonight I painted the strut tower up. Looks great. Did a bunch of touch ups all over the place too. Cleaned the bay pretty good too. Not spotless, but whatever. Still looks great though. Much better than before for sure.
Did bunch of small stuff. Got the throttle body in place. Don't remember what else was done... but it's coming along.
Pulled apart the old motor too. Spun a rod bearing on piston #1. Didn't get the bed plate off yet.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1015091926bMedium.jpg
Tonight I painted the strut tower up. Looks great. Did a bunch of touch ups all over the place too. Cleaned the bay pretty good too. Not spotless, but whatever. Still looks great though. Much better than before for sure.
Did bunch of small stuff. Got the throttle body in place. Don't remember what else was done... but it's coming along.
Pulled apart the old motor too. Spun a rod bearing on piston #1. Didn't get the bed plate off yet.
vanilla gorilla
10-16-2009, 01:33 AM
That pusher fan setup should work nicely. My car never overheats despite the huge FMIC. I have just 1 pusher fan on my car and I live in the south, and like I said, never overheats. I could let it idle all day ;)
david-b
10-16-2009, 10:39 AM
I had the 1 puller fan when I did the turbo setup and I had overheating problems. I also had a leaky head gasket. Don't have the A/C core neither. It would be fine while driving, but if it sat there idling for too long, it would start to overheat in the warm weather. Last time it did that was in MN, and that's when I decided to pick up the second fan. I just feel safer with 2 fans running. Why not, ya know? Should help pull some more air through the FMIC I'm thinking too.
If you notice, I mounted the passenger fan closer to the middle to directly blow on the turbo/manifold to push some that heat out directly. Just have to wire this up and it's ready to go.
If you notice, I mounted the passenger fan closer to the middle to directly blow on the turbo/manifold to push some that heat out directly. Just have to wire this up and it's ready to go.
vanilla gorilla
10-16-2009, 10:18 PM
twos always better than one.
Blackcrow64
10-17-2009, 12:54 AM
twos always better than one.
That's what she said...
That's what she said...
david-b
10-17-2009, 06:52 PM
Got a lot of work done today. Got the old cam-sprocket off the block and the key to go with it and installed on new motor (sorry Jason it didn't come in today... I waited for the mail all day :( ) That thing is a PAIN IN THE ASS to get on. I did some damage to it and the crank while trying to hammer on. I had to grind down the edges of the crank a little so the UDP could fit on then too :( Big pain.
Anyways, got the car timed PERFECTLY. So much easier when it's not in the car. Did it in about 5 minutes too. Cranked numerous times and it's dead on.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1017091455Medium.jpg
Got the motor mount and PS mounts and everything on that side too. Right now she looks like this
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1017091625Medium.jpg
Checked over all my painting and it looks great. The semi-flat black looks awesome. Did some more touch ups including a bunch of brackets. Couple more to go.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1017091625cMedium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1017091627bMedium.jpg
Anyways, got the car timed PERFECTLY. So much easier when it's not in the car. Did it in about 5 minutes too. Cranked numerous times and it's dead on.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1017091455Medium.jpg
Got the motor mount and PS mounts and everything on that side too. Right now she looks like this
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1017091625Medium.jpg
Checked over all my painting and it looks great. The semi-flat black looks awesome. Did some more touch ups including a bunch of brackets. Couple more to go.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1017091625cMedium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1017091627bMedium.jpg
ned032002
10-17-2009, 09:27 PM
Lookin good, keep the pics coming.
vanilla gorilla
10-18-2009, 12:46 AM
Wow, everything looks great man. The motor is beautiful. The only thing I can critique.....I think you could have spent a little more time making the strut tower repair look a little better.
Blackcrow64
10-18-2009, 03:48 AM
Wow, everything looks great man. The motor is beautiful. The only thing I can critique.....I think you could have spent a little more time making the strut tower repair look a little better.
Should have taken a grinder to the welds that were stickin up and then filled any pinholes with jbweld. That's how I got mine to look so smooth in the end.
Should have taken a grinder to the welds that were stickin up and then filled any pinholes with jbweld. That's how I got mine to look so smooth in the end.
david-b
10-18-2009, 10:52 AM
Thanks for the words gentlemen.
I did take the grinder to the welds. Because of the big grinder wheel it was hard to get to some areas. I did that between welds, and it started making the metal thin and causing some issues. I actually realized after I started painting it that I could use JB Weld. I some a little to the crease on the bottom, but not a whole lot to see if it would work. I was thinking about going back and redoing that.
Brian, I was trying to see how yours turned out but your thread has no pics in it anymore so.... ya know.
Will be picking up a new alternator this week. Not going to fight with an old one anymore. This one is out... so it's getting replaced.
Here's the plan for this week....
-Finish MegaSquirt (Jason, still need those maps)
-Work on strut tower little more
-Pick up 1000cc fuel injectors (probably overnight them)
-Last of fuel lines are on back-order so will use the rubber for now.
-Finish some other wiring (sender units/gauges)
-Drop motor in Saturday & hook everything up (FMIC, wiring)
-1st STARTUP SUNDAY (10/25) !!!!
So this week I'll be spending some more time at the garage than usual probably everyday finishing it all up. I need all your prayers, hopes, & wishes that this thing starts up and runs. I'm excited.
I did take the grinder to the welds. Because of the big grinder wheel it was hard to get to some areas. I did that between welds, and it started making the metal thin and causing some issues. I actually realized after I started painting it that I could use JB Weld. I some a little to the crease on the bottom, but not a whole lot to see if it would work. I was thinking about going back and redoing that.
Brian, I was trying to see how yours turned out but your thread has no pics in it anymore so.... ya know.
Will be picking up a new alternator this week. Not going to fight with an old one anymore. This one is out... so it's getting replaced.
Here's the plan for this week....
-Finish MegaSquirt (Jason, still need those maps)
-Work on strut tower little more
-Pick up 1000cc fuel injectors (probably overnight them)
-Last of fuel lines are on back-order so will use the rubber for now.
-Finish some other wiring (sender units/gauges)
-Drop motor in Saturday & hook everything up (FMIC, wiring)
-1st STARTUP SUNDAY (10/25) !!!!
So this week I'll be spending some more time at the garage than usual probably everyday finishing it all up. I need all your prayers, hopes, & wishes that this thing starts up and runs. I'm excited.
SilvrEclipse
10-18-2009, 12:09 PM
Looks awesome Dave. So you used your old pulley? It should be fine, the timing belt runs a few mm away from the edge. Ill get that map to you this week Dave. When is the start up date planned? You can always work on the strut towers some more after the motor is in and running.
david-b
10-18-2009, 12:52 PM
Looks awesome Dave. So you used your old pulley? It should be fine, the timing belt runs a few mm away from the edge. Ill get that map to you this week Dave. When is the start up date planned? You can always work on the strut towers some more after the motor is in and running.
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Here's the plan for this week....
-Finish MegaSquirt (Jason, still need those maps)
-Work on strut tower little more
-Pick up 1000cc fuel injectors (probably overnight them)
-Last of fuel lines are on back-order so will use the rubber for now.
-Finish some other wiring (sender units/gauges)
-Drop motor in Saturday & hook everything up (FMIC, wiring)
-1st STARTUP SUNDAY (10/25) !!!!
:thumbsup:
...
Here's the plan for this week....
-Finish MegaSquirt (Jason, still need those maps)
-Work on strut tower little more
-Pick up 1000cc fuel injectors (probably overnight them)
-Last of fuel lines are on back-order so will use the rubber for now.
-Finish some other wiring (sender units/gauges)
-Drop motor in Saturday & hook everything up (FMIC, wiring)
-1st STARTUP SUNDAY (10/25) !!!!
:thumbsup:
Blackcrow64
10-18-2009, 01:57 PM
Brian, I was trying to see how yours turned out but your thread has no pics in it anymore so.... ya know.
My bad... I'll see what I can do about getting pictures up again in that thread. Orrr... Better yet, I could actually work on my Talon website and get the other areas finished and put up lots of pictures... I'll try to work on it tonight or tomorrow for ya...
My bad... I'll see what I can do about getting pictures up again in that thread. Orrr... Better yet, I could actually work on my Talon website and get the other areas finished and put up lots of pictures... I'll try to work on it tonight or tomorrow for ya...
vanilla gorilla
10-18-2009, 02:36 PM
Hmm, Ive never used JB weld as a filler, so it sands easily? Also, another thing you could try is a product by Permatex (located in the section with all the silicones), its a metal filler, thats supposed to be easy sanding, and finish nicely prior to paint. A guy I know used it on the cowl panel of his classic camaro he was restoring and it turned out nicely.
cantgo2fast
10-20-2009, 01:42 AM
Wow, motor looks good. I feel like all the non-turbo to turbo guys are making strides and us stock turbo guys are getting left in the dust lol I'd better get on that. Must be wonderful to have the tools/expertise to get the motor out of there and get lots of work done.
david-b
10-20-2009, 09:54 AM
Wow, motor looks good. I feel like all the non-turbo to turbo guys are making strides and us stock turbo guys are getting left in the dust lol I'd better get on that. Must be wonderful to have the tools/expertise to get the motor out of there and get lots of work done.
Thanks. Never done any of this before... all new to me. That's why I'm hoping badly this thing runs right. And the tools I just pick up as I need. I'm cheap.
Thanks. Never done any of this before... all new to me. That's why I'm hoping badly this thing runs right. And the tools I just pick up as I need. I'm cheap.
david-b
10-21-2009, 12:33 PM
Haven't been to the garage once this week yet, so I'm little behind. Been working a lot as always. Have to finish a project up by 10/31, which will pay for a good amount of this project :)
-Ordered a new piece of pipe to make a new downpipe when the motor goes in.
-Ordered a set of RC Racing High Imp. 750cc Injectors
Still have to find some good bolts to use for the turbo. Anyone know what sizes work for a garrett? The ones I have for the IM are just a little too narrow.
I still plan on dropping in the motor on Saturday. But because of the delay on the FIs, startup may be sometime next week.
-Ordered a new piece of pipe to make a new downpipe when the motor goes in.
-Ordered a set of RC Racing High Imp. 750cc Injectors
Still have to find some good bolts to use for the turbo. Anyone know what sizes work for a garrett? The ones I have for the IM are just a little too narrow.
I still plan on dropping in the motor on Saturday. But because of the delay on the FIs, startup may be sometime next week.
david-b
10-23-2009, 12:17 PM
Here's some pics that my Mom ended up taking while I was welding the strut tower. I know people love pics so here's some.
After I tached the sheet metal into place. Was still bending.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/DSCF0105.jpg
Torching the sheet metal to take shape to the tower.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/DSCF0116.jpg
Weldind it in
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/DSCF0110.jpg
Doing some more welding from inside the bay.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/DSCF0117.jpg
After I tached the sheet metal into place. Was still bending.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/DSCF0105.jpg
Torching the sheet metal to take shape to the tower.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/DSCF0116.jpg
Weldind it in
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/DSCF0110.jpg
Doing some more welding from inside the bay.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/DSCF0117.jpg
ned032002
10-23-2009, 09:00 PM
Pics are always fun, keep them coming.
cantgo2fast
10-23-2009, 09:52 PM
gotta love Colorado cars :)
Blackcrow64
10-24-2009, 12:46 AM
Whose the chick in the first picture?
david-b
10-24-2009, 12:54 AM
Pics rock. Colorado? Where at? I'm not from there.
My kinda girl Jenn is in the pic.
My kinda girl Jenn is in the pic.
ned032002
10-24-2009, 08:37 AM
Dave lives in Chicago as it says below his avatar.
:useless:
:useless:
SilvrEclipse
10-24-2009, 11:33 AM
Is the motor still going in today? Good luck man its a PITA to get the input shaft lined up with that clutch disc. Also be very sure to torque the flywheel bolts down to 95lbs AND locktight them. Pressure plate bolts are 168 INCH lbs. Put a little bit of greese on the input shaft but just a tad and more will fly off when you start it up and could possibly get on your clutch disk and cause it to slip. One more thing, when you do finally get the tranny input shaft in slide it up all way and put a bolt in the top of it. DO NOT let the tranny hang off the side of the motor when trying to get your bolts together and shit. This can warp a clutch disk which will cause it not to release and chatter really bad. Hope it all goes smoothly
david-b
10-25-2009, 12:08 AM
Motor made it in today!!!
What a day, that's all I can say. Was at the garage for 13 hours today! What a day. My mom took a ton of pics today so I'll have more posted up in the next couple days.
The fuel injectors came in yesterday. Got some RC Racing 750cc high-impendence. Got those in the rail, and wired them all up. Came with all new O-Rings and everything.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024090952bMedium.jpg
Bought a new alternator and a bunch of stuff. Got it all together. Sadly, a lot of stuff had to come off in order to get the thing in the bay. Retarded.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091334Medium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091334bMedium.jpg
Rented a hoist at a local place. And got her mounted. Clutch is torqued at 95lbs and did the pressure plate as stated above. Thank god for Jason having his phone on him.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091350bMedium.jpg
Sexiness is the key word on this pic.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091526Medium.jpg
It took a long ass time to get the motor in the bay. The thing just did not want to mate up to the tranny. Was getting aggregated badly. As the motor was on the hoist, I bough all new chain (2500lb-er :) ) and new clamps. Sadly, I only bought 2. I used the locking c-clamp things (2 of them) for top of the hoist where it lifts up. While getting the motor in the 3rd time, the 2 on the both snapped and flew off. The motor was literally just hanging on. I was so pissed I rush to hardware store, set motor on the car, and redid the clamps. VERY close call on that.
Later that night, was working on it again and one of the studs in holding in the mount on the exhaust side snapped off. So again, motor was hanging by nothing but 1 bolt on that side. Luckily, we made it happen. So now another stud is broken in the head... while I just fixed the other broken one today.
Had so many problems trying to get the thing on to the tranny. I forgot to remove the lower tranny shield, so I was basically crushing that while trying to get the motor in. Stupid. Then once the drive shaft was in the clutch, it was impossible to rotate the motor to match the bolts up. Such a pain in the ass.
Where she sits as of 10pm tonight. Right now it's all mounted, just missing the front and rear motor mounts, but those will go in tomorrow.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024092152Medium.jpg
What a day, that's all I can say. Was at the garage for 13 hours today! What a day. My mom took a ton of pics today so I'll have more posted up in the next couple days.
The fuel injectors came in yesterday. Got some RC Racing 750cc high-impendence. Got those in the rail, and wired them all up. Came with all new O-Rings and everything.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024090952bMedium.jpg
Bought a new alternator and a bunch of stuff. Got it all together. Sadly, a lot of stuff had to come off in order to get the thing in the bay. Retarded.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091334Medium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091334bMedium.jpg
Rented a hoist at a local place. And got her mounted. Clutch is torqued at 95lbs and did the pressure plate as stated above. Thank god for Jason having his phone on him.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091350bMedium.jpg
Sexiness is the key word on this pic.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091526Medium.jpg
It took a long ass time to get the motor in the bay. The thing just did not want to mate up to the tranny. Was getting aggregated badly. As the motor was on the hoist, I bough all new chain (2500lb-er :) ) and new clamps. Sadly, I only bought 2. I used the locking c-clamp things (2 of them) for top of the hoist where it lifts up. While getting the motor in the 3rd time, the 2 on the both snapped and flew off. The motor was literally just hanging on. I was so pissed I rush to hardware store, set motor on the car, and redid the clamps. VERY close call on that.
Later that night, was working on it again and one of the studs in holding in the mount on the exhaust side snapped off. So again, motor was hanging by nothing but 1 bolt on that side. Luckily, we made it happen. So now another stud is broken in the head... while I just fixed the other broken one today.
Had so many problems trying to get the thing on to the tranny. I forgot to remove the lower tranny shield, so I was basically crushing that while trying to get the motor in. Stupid. Then once the drive shaft was in the clutch, it was impossible to rotate the motor to match the bolts up. Such a pain in the ass.
Where she sits as of 10pm tonight. Right now it's all mounted, just missing the front and rear motor mounts, but those will go in tomorrow.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024092152Medium.jpg
cantgo2fast
10-25-2009, 12:45 AM
Pics rock. Colorado? Where at? I'm not from there.
I live in Fort Collins, going to CSU. I was commenting on the fact that we never get rust here so i dont have to deal with annoying shit like the strut towers.
Looks great man.
I live in Fort Collins, going to CSU. I was commenting on the fact that we never get rust here so i dont have to deal with annoying shit like the strut towers.
Looks great man.
vanilla gorilla
10-25-2009, 01:07 AM
Awesome man. After you get that thing in, broken in good, and running good, all it needs is a Fresh black paint job, nice wheels, and a little drop...be dead sexy
Blackcrow64
10-25-2009, 03:53 AM
I didn't even realize how bad his paint was till you pointed it out... I thought it had already been painted once?
david-b
10-25-2009, 05:58 AM
Nope never painted. I tried once before, just money was a problem. I'm all go before show.
I have rims from before that I'm going to get new rubber for next year and then drop it down 2". I hate those wheels now, but makes it a total sleeper. Won't be til next year though.
I have rims from before that I'm going to get new rubber for next year and then drop it down 2". I hate those wheels now, but makes it a total sleeper. Won't be til next year though.
ned032002
10-25-2009, 09:02 AM
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1024091334Medium.jpg
Looks like a brand new complete motor, looks awesome.
Did the RC's slip right in or did they take some persuasion?
Looks like a brand new complete motor, looks awesome.
Did the RC's slip right in or did they take some persuasion?
david-b
10-25-2009, 10:09 AM
They took some persuasion. Did a little oil on the O-Rings, and had to take off the top part of the IM so I had more leverage, but they went in and they're snug in there. Not going anywhere anytime soon.
I'm off to get some work done. More pics tonight. I'm taking tomorrow off of work also to try to finish it up :D
I'm off to get some work done. More pics tonight. I'm taking tomorrow off of work also to try to finish it up :D
ned032002
10-25-2009, 02:20 PM
When I put in my 650s I had a hard time getting them to go straight in. A buddy of mine was putting 550s in his TSi and he actually bent the fuel rail because one of the injectors weren't seated properly. Guess he didn't pay much attention when putting them in.
SilvrEclipse
10-25-2009, 09:29 PM
RC injectors seem to be a tight fit on these cars. Some thinner o rings would be a good idea to help them go in. Motor looks awesome man cant wait till that thing runs
vanilla gorilla
10-26-2009, 12:11 AM
I thought it had already been painted once?
He got into a slight front end collision, and got a new front bumper and had that painted. IIRC
He got into a slight front end collision, and got a new front bumper and had that painted. IIRC
david-b
10-26-2009, 12:35 AM
He got into a slight front end collision, and got a new front bumper and had that painted. IIRC
That's right, I had the front bumper painted, but that was all. That thing still looks brand new.
Big progress made today. I got there nice and early today after not being able to sleep last night and was excited rolling in. I finished mounting up the tranny to the block and getting the rest of the mounts in. I start hooking up the slave cylinder to the fork and adding in fluid. The slave and the fork look a little 'off'. Something about it didn't look right, and there was no play at all on the fork. I called Jason (my hero for the week BTW) and told me there should be play. I pulled the little rubber cover off and see the fork wedged between the pressure plate and the little pivot ball in not in place. I was pissed thinking I would have to pull the motor again. I seperated the tranny from the block as much as I could without releasing the whole thing, and after ~25 minutes of trying, got the fork on the pivot ball and on the TOB properly. You could just tell that it was in the right place then. Best pic I could get of it...
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1025091150Medium.jpg
Once this was all fixed, I filled up and bled the clutch. My god this thing is stiff and feels like a clutch. The last 2 I had always had a soft touch, where you couldn't feel where it was being disengaged. This one it's obvious. Feels great. Have to workout my legs a little more though. City driving will be hard with it.
Once that was in, I had to reinstalled the alternator and the crank pulley (pulled off yesterday) and did the belts, rechecked timing, got the PS all up and hosed, and attached all the wiring. Those saying that it would take forever to find where each harness goes... I think I've done this too many times... took 2 minutes to hook them all up (I timed myself :) )
I then made my mounts for the FMIC and redid some of the piping. Drilled out the broken stud from yesterday and welding in a new stud. Did some painting. Basically got everything in the car. Made HUGE progress today.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1025091456Medium.jpg
So tomorrow, I'm taking the day off of work :D and finishing her up and take the hoist back. I have to pick up some extra fuel line since some SS I ordered is still on backorder, reattached the lower cross member, fully installed the manifold, turbo, WG, and make a custom DP, and it's ready to fire up. MSns is not fully wired, so will use stock ECU for all control to begin with at idle here. I don't plan on it leaving the garage. Hopefully I have no leaks and it's perfect straight out the box. Wish me luck for tomorrow.
Pic at about 6pm tonight.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1025091754aMedium.jpg
That's right, I had the front bumper painted, but that was all. That thing still looks brand new.
Big progress made today. I got there nice and early today after not being able to sleep last night and was excited rolling in. I finished mounting up the tranny to the block and getting the rest of the mounts in. I start hooking up the slave cylinder to the fork and adding in fluid. The slave and the fork look a little 'off'. Something about it didn't look right, and there was no play at all on the fork. I called Jason (my hero for the week BTW) and told me there should be play. I pulled the little rubber cover off and see the fork wedged between the pressure plate and the little pivot ball in not in place. I was pissed thinking I would have to pull the motor again. I seperated the tranny from the block as much as I could without releasing the whole thing, and after ~25 minutes of trying, got the fork on the pivot ball and on the TOB properly. You could just tell that it was in the right place then. Best pic I could get of it...
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1025091150Medium.jpg
Once this was all fixed, I filled up and bled the clutch. My god this thing is stiff and feels like a clutch. The last 2 I had always had a soft touch, where you couldn't feel where it was being disengaged. This one it's obvious. Feels great. Have to workout my legs a little more though. City driving will be hard with it.
Once that was in, I had to reinstalled the alternator and the crank pulley (pulled off yesterday) and did the belts, rechecked timing, got the PS all up and hosed, and attached all the wiring. Those saying that it would take forever to find where each harness goes... I think I've done this too many times... took 2 minutes to hook them all up (I timed myself :) )
I then made my mounts for the FMIC and redid some of the piping. Drilled out the broken stud from yesterday and welding in a new stud. Did some painting. Basically got everything in the car. Made HUGE progress today.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1025091456Medium.jpg
So tomorrow, I'm taking the day off of work :D and finishing her up and take the hoist back. I have to pick up some extra fuel line since some SS I ordered is still on backorder, reattached the lower cross member, fully installed the manifold, turbo, WG, and make a custom DP, and it's ready to fire up. MSns is not fully wired, so will use stock ECU for all control to begin with at idle here. I don't plan on it leaving the garage. Hopefully I have no leaks and it's perfect straight out the box. Wish me luck for tomorrow.
Pic at about 6pm tonight.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1025091754aMedium.jpg
SilvrEclipse
10-26-2009, 12:42 AM
Wow dave that looks amazing. I hope you aren't using the stock ECU to control those 750s? There is no way in hell you will be able to run that much injector with the stock ECU. Other than that everything looks good. Do you happen to know what lb pressure plate you got? Im betting you are getting a stiff pedal from warn out hydrolics. Even thought they aren't leaking, them being warn is causing your pedal to be stiffer. My looked to be in perfect shape but I went ahead and changed them my last clutch change and wow what a difference. I would recommend this for anyones car thats 10+ years old.
Also can you get a few more pics of the manifold wastegate and downpipe area. Im just trying to get an idea of mine.
Also can you get a few more pics of the manifold wastegate and downpipe area. Im just trying to get an idea of mine.
vanilla gorilla
10-26-2009, 01:50 PM
Looks awesome bud, good job. And about the stiff clutch, I actually prefer a hard beefy clutch any day out the week. Even in the city.
david-b
10-26-2009, 09:36 PM
Got some more work done today. Let me start off by saying, I hate this manifold. So many things about it suck. I broke the T-Stat housing trying to bend that out since the one tube is dead against the hose then and wont fit right. Plus, my turbo is so big that it's a PITA to get it all fitted properly with that damn WG flange right in the way. WTF were they thinking. I had so many problems with it, I nearly pulled it off and put the log-style back on. I hope to god that this thing does not cause any problems once it's altogether. I recommend not buying it, or putting it on. My .02.
</rant>
Because of that, I didn't get to finish her up today. I worked ~12 hours on her and she's so close, but not quite yet. Let's see what I did..
-Installed crossmember and finished back of block wiring
-Fully mounted manifold
-Mounted turbo
-Made WG pipe and mounted that. Need to make dump tube now
-Ran ~95% of vaccuum lines (no turbo)
-Redid melted wiring harness by timing belt
-Did some wire tucking
-Finished all fuel lines
-Started on new DP. This is actually what slowed me down then. If you look at my tutorial I have in the tech section, I made a little 4" sectional to connect the DP to the flex pipe. Well I had enough pipe to get rid of that. I started cutting and welding, and called it quits tonight on that... too tired.
I'm betting the stiffer clutch pedal is from it being a heavier clutch. I don't remember the rating, but it was a ~375lb torque capable plate or something like that. It feels perfect. When I was in Dustys car last year, it felt just about the same. Feels perfect to me now.
So what's left is to finish the DP and finish MSnS. I don't know when the next time I will be there will be though.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1026091634bMedium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1026091635aMedium.jpg
</rant>
Because of that, I didn't get to finish her up today. I worked ~12 hours on her and she's so close, but not quite yet. Let's see what I did..
-Installed crossmember and finished back of block wiring
-Fully mounted manifold
-Mounted turbo
-Made WG pipe and mounted that. Need to make dump tube now
-Ran ~95% of vaccuum lines (no turbo)
-Redid melted wiring harness by timing belt
-Did some wire tucking
-Finished all fuel lines
-Started on new DP. This is actually what slowed me down then. If you look at my tutorial I have in the tech section, I made a little 4" sectional to connect the DP to the flex pipe. Well I had enough pipe to get rid of that. I started cutting and welding, and called it quits tonight on that... too tired.
I'm betting the stiffer clutch pedal is from it being a heavier clutch. I don't remember the rating, but it was a ~375lb torque capable plate or something like that. It feels perfect. When I was in Dustys car last year, it felt just about the same. Feels perfect to me now.
So what's left is to finish the DP and finish MSnS. I don't know when the next time I will be there will be though.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1026091634bMedium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1026091635aMedium.jpg
ned032002
10-28-2009, 05:41 PM
I'm lovin all the super sexy pictures keep 'em comin'. I like what you did with the wastegate btw.
david-b
10-29-2009, 10:28 AM
I'm lovin all the super sexy pictures keep 'em comin'. I like what you did with the wastegate btw.
The WG has to get a brace so it doesn't break off. Plus have to make a dump tube for it. Need to get some pipe for that still.
Looks like I won't be out to the garage until Saturday morning and then Sunday. Hoping to get the DP finished up on Saturday and if all that goes smooth, then the wiring. Also want to mod the manifold a little so it will fit better. I'm not liking the way to sit on the t-stat housing.
Startup is for sure on Sunday though. Of course followed with pics and video.
The WG has to get a brace so it doesn't break off. Plus have to make a dump tube for it. Need to get some pipe for that still.
Looks like I won't be out to the garage until Saturday morning and then Sunday. Hoping to get the DP finished up on Saturday and if all that goes smooth, then the wiring. Also want to mod the manifold a little so it will fit better. I'm not liking the way to sit on the t-stat housing.
Startup is for sure on Sunday though. Of course followed with pics and video.
david-b
10-31-2009, 12:23 AM
Since I'm throwin a HUGE Halloween party tomorrow, I decided to work on the car this cold, rainy Friday night. I finished the DP (Started out good, but that last piece of fab to match up always sucks for me), ran SS fuel line on the return, and finished the IC piping. Also bunch of random other crap too.
Pics...
Downpipe with V-Clamp at turbo. Connects to my modified GST flexpipe then.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1030092023Medium.jpg
Pic of it installed along with the IC piping leading to the FMIC and oil return. Tight fit. I may wrap the DP by the IC piping to protect against heat.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1030092126Medium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1030092127aMedium.jpg
Pics...
Downpipe with V-Clamp at turbo. Connects to my modified GST flexpipe then.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1030092023Medium.jpg
Pic of it installed along with the IC piping leading to the FMIC and oil return. Tight fit. I may wrap the DP by the IC piping to protect against heat.
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1030092126Medium.jpg
http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1030092127aMedium.jpg
vanilla gorilla
10-31-2009, 12:29 AM
Still looking great man. Should be a beast.
SilvrEclipse
10-31-2009, 01:48 AM
Ye aman it looks awesome. We need to go over MS sometime tmrw to make sure everything is ready to go.
cantgo2fast
10-31-2009, 03:12 AM
Wow thats a tight fit in there but it looks great, I would definitely recommend trying your hardest to keep those hot parts from effecting those parts you want cold, That will kill your power.
ned032002
10-31-2009, 07:14 AM
Lookin great. Is sunday still 1st start up?
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