H22-B18c1-B16a2

[ViperGWSS]

Alright I'm thinking of putting one of these 3 in a 96-98 civic. Let me know which has the most potential. Also let me know which has the cheapest better parts (turbos, internals, etc.) Also let me know which is the easiest to swap. I'd most likely be working on it for a while and I'd definitely have a n2o and turbo in it, so keep that in mind. All opinions welcome.

[Setanta]

H22 = too heavy for anything other than straightline driving IMO. A lot of people debate it - straight line = awesome, but it's a fair bit heavier than a B18 or B16 which are heavier than your original motor. B16a = good, but lacking in torque (even though that's what I have). B18C = good torque levels and power and a good starting poin to drop a turbo onto.

I'd have to say a B18 would be the best swap in.

Just my opinion though

[madtownhonda]

b18c1 is a great motor to turbo. That's personally what I would choose. Get it sleeved to 84mm, new rods, some 9.2:1 pistons, new rings, bearings, gaskets...clean up the head, port match the head to 84mm, new valve train with crower turbo cams, or port flow race head. New Intake manifold, ported Intake manifold and Throttle body. Get a custom turbo good for 500whp.

[ViperGWSS]

I plan on using it for dragging. I also plan on putting on a turbo and n2o. Just needed to see if this would change what ya said.

[NSX]

Originally posted by madtownhonda
Get a custom turbo good for 500whp.

what does whp stand for anyways?

why do people use bhp, whp?
i understand hp, and bhp is brake horsepower

[ViperGWSS]

Wheel hp maybe?

[Setanta]

Yup - power at the wheels. We could really get nitty-gritty and start using PS (Power Stroke) which is what the Japanese market uses.

[ViperGWSS]

Why not? I think everything we do should be jap spec since those of use who do engine swaps do you jap spec engines I think using PS would be pretty cool if it weren't hard to understand.

[hondaspeder]

with the right suspension upgrades there is no problem with the h22, it is not only for straight line driving, iam putting one in a 92-95 hatch for autocross, not only that it is only 85 pounds more than a b16 swap.... 85 pounds does not create this crazy amount of oversteer.... so i would go with a b18 anyway since it is an easier swap but if u plan to go all the way there truly is no replacment for displament 2.2 liters is reat to have and u can get it with a closed deck desine wich is very stron for turbo and nitours applications unlike the open deck desin of the b series motors but u will need a motor from 96 or later not only that but the later model trannies have better earin to so it would be best to have a 1996 prelude motor and tranny with the optianl lsd if u are goin to o all out but it is not a cheap swap............. hope this helps clear up any confusion

[94civic]

yeah the h22a is only about 30-40 pounds heavier than the gsr because i went to this place i lawrence, ma and was talking to this guy at this shop that they do swaps in and they had a 2000 civic hatchback with a h22a, turbonetics t4 turbocharger, all with custom piping, turbonetics racing wastegate, spearco intercooler, msd ignition system, hondata stand alone management system and shit load of other things. It has around 450hp and they're still not done with it. i'm going there to get my swap done, but not until april because they're booked until then. is $4400cheap for the engine,labor and parts a gsr motor into a civic

[TrUnKs714]

id say the b18c1 has the most potential out of those 3.

[hondaBoy]

i have heard that the H22 swap into civics and accords is bad news. to much torque for the little cars. what i hear is that the H22 ends up twisting the frame. id go with the b18c1.

[Setanta]

It's not oversteer I'd be concerned about but understeer with a H22. Even with the right suspension mods, weight distribution is being thrown out. Hence handling goes to hell. The more weight in the bay, the more you lose the original handling characteristics. BTW - if someone is motorkhanaing a 300bhp H22 then they are off their head as a) handling is out and b) you would never get to use it while twisting and turning. Motorkhana's are about handling - not bhp.

More to the point - B18 is an easier swap.

[SFF900]

Originally posted by Setanta
H22 = too heavy for anything other than straightline driving IMO. A lot of people debate it - straight line = awesome, but it's a fair bit heavier than a B18 or B16 which are heavier than your original motor. B16a = good, but lacking in torque (even though that's what I have). B18C = good torque levels and power and a good starting poin to drop a turbo onto.

I'd have to say a B18 would be the best swap in.

Just my opinion though

i agree 100% i am buying a b18c1 swap for my 6th gen civic within a couple weeks

[mellowboy]

Why don't u go with the LS motor? Its cheaper than the 3 v-tec engines and plus it has more torque than a b16 and about the same torque as the gsr?