c5 z06 vs skyline r34 gtr

[ZZII]

Originally Posted by OoNismoO

yea ok.... when did i say that it owned any car out there? i was talking about how the skylines awd system is very effective, and that just cause it has more weight in front doesnt mean its gonna be slower on the track, cause it kills the rwd skyline.

and also, i know its stock vs stock, but the z06 has around 100 hp more than the skyline gtr, i would really like to see how a skyline would do with similar horsepower to the z06.

Hold up, ur a felow Skyline lover, u should know (acceleration wise) the stock Skyline R34 GT-R can take a 400HP car in the 1/4. So, applying that to straight aways on the track, and it's 4 wheel steering, that car is gonna exit the turn alittle faster than other cars, and it'll start acceleration at a slightly highier speed.

Now, yes theoretically, the Vette would win againts a 4WD, but not a AWD with all 4 wheels turning.

[Mr Payne]

Originally Posted by ZZII

Hold up, ur a felow Skyline lover, u should know (acceleration wise) the stock Skyline R34 GT-R can take a 400HP car in the 1/4. So, applying that to straight aways on the track, and it's 4 wheel steering, that car is gonna exit the turn alittle faster than other cars, and it'll start acceleration at a slightly highier speed.

Now, yes theoretically, the Vette would win againts a 4WD, but not a AWD with all 4 wheels turning.

A stock Skyline R34 GT-4 can take a 400HP car in the 1/4? Right.
So it beats the 405hp Z06? The 415hp 911 Turbo? The 405hp 360 Modena? Oh wait, the best recorded times of a Z06 are 11.8/11.9 secs trapping at 117mph. Average times at maybe 12.4@114-116. So Skylines beat that? At any apex how would the Skyline manage to be faster than a Z06. No one has answered this yet.

[OoNismoO]

Originally Posted by ZZII

Hold up, ur a felow Skyline lover, u should know (acceleration wise) the stock Skyline R34 GT-R can take a 400HP car in the 1/4. So, applying that to straight aways on the track, and it's 4 wheel steering, that car is gonna exit the turn alittle faster than other cars, and it'll start acceleration at a slightly highier speed.

Now, yes theoretically, the Vette would win againts a 4WD, but not a AWD with all 4 wheels turning.

yea, plus the skyline weighs more, but still does really good on the track. isnt the zzII that japanese supercar with the skyline motor?

mrpayne, well people have only given opinions, or their own reasonings to which one comes out of the apex faster, so none of us really know for sure, but obviously theres something with the skyline, cause how is it getting so much better times than other cars in its class even with worse hp to weight ratio? the skylines slower in the straight away, weighs more, and has less power than both the 911 turbo, and the z06, but somehow it manages to stay close to, or get close times to these cars, but based off of FHRHWKs reasonings, the skyline should lose by a lot more, but i dont see that happening. so what is it? maybe some of it has to do with how well the suspension is tuned, and its suspension geometry, but i think most of it has to do with the sophisticated awd/4wheel steer system in the skyline that helps it turn, and come out of the apex so well.

[ZZII]

Bravo! Bravo! Proved my point exactly! But, in the Z06's case the R34 would pass it up, because those turbos would start to kick in during that straight away.

[Kurtdg19]

Originally Posted by ZZII

Bravo! Bravo! Proved my point exactly! But, in the Z06's case the R34 would pass it up, because those turbos would start to kick in during that straight away.

A stock R34 isn't going to catch up to any Z06 in a straight away. Even when those turbo's spool up to its limit, its still going to get toasted on the straights. A R34 has a better chance on a track that requires more turns than straights. A dead sprint, it has no chance.

[RalphCare]

now... i hate to bring up old posts.. but i had to add.

first off all the Atessa system is yeaaaaaars ahead of alot of road going AWD systems. the ammount it computes within every second surpasses some of todays lower class rally cars. not to mention that the SuperHICAS II system is amazing at taking turns at highspeed with minimal traction loss.

secondly... did you know that the skyline has a 85% throttled injector duty cycle? and that its restricted not to go passed 85% of the injector's potential. which limits the cars potential to 85%. this is limited by the ecu.

thirdly, did you know that the fuel pressure regulator is not as pressurized as it should be? it is only at 30 psi max... normally this would be alot higher with a car of this performance.

and the last thing i can think of (but not the least), is that there is a bleeder screw along the turbo piping that allows some boost to leak out while driving, so that the boost is regulated even more-so than the wastegate or a BOV would have you believe. and whats the stock psi a R34 VspecII? 10 psi? take away about the 1.5 to 2 psi the bleeder screw spits out... so...do you think that really makes up for the 3.1 litres of displacement and the weight advantage that the z06 has over the GTR? not hardly.

remove the injector limiter.. u get 50 - 60 hp. remove the bleeder screw... you get another 22 horespower... replace the fuel pressure regulator with one that is PROPER and you still get more power (not quite sure about how much on that single part though)..take some weight off where possible (maybe even leave it as is.. a 100 hp gain sounds about good enough)


so the conclusion is.. take the R34 off its LEASH.. and the z06 will be dog food.

[RazorGTR]

Ok before I go on a rant what is the difference between a C5 and Z06? If they are the same then i can say I've been not only in both, but driven both, as my tuner a while back did a C5 Vette a guy brought back from the states.

To Mr. Payne and the rest. You guys really need to quit taking the dribblings for pathetic mag writers, and 99.9% of the shit you read on the net so gospel. Once my question is answered I'll tell you what I know.

[flylwsi]

www.chrevrolet.com
the z06 is a race car based suspension setup, and has 50 more hp than the best c5.

One of the appealing reasons of wanting a skyline in my opinion is the great tunning capabilities it has. A skyline with 1,000hp is definatly achievable, and its much easier than most setups.

there was a thread about this, and come on... the vette doesn't need that much hp to be better in a straight line, top speed, etc. lingenfelter's tt vette, with 600hp, hit's 9's, and can run to 230+.
find a skyline that can do that with 600hp. you won't.

also, if you want to say the skyline can handle, back it up.
you can't.
stock, the r34 gt-r pulls .88 on the skid pad.
the z06 pulls 1.0 on the pad.
it's not the be-all end-all number for handling, but that should speak volumes.

you can't run with a z06 in a skyline r34. sorry.

and if you mod it... look out, the skyline is toast...

funny note... the fastest car on the wangan in japan (if you know what it is, you know what i'm talking about) is an automatic twin turbo vette.
no skyline there... sorry.

[RazorGTR]

The C5 Corvette does handle much better. There is no doubt or disupute in that, and it bloody well should. Considering it is wider and longer, has wheels and tyres that are substaintially wider thus even ehancing its ability to corner. The suspension is a lot stiffer and again more suited to cornering. If you were to swap the R34 GTR with wheels and tyres simular they would be very close if not nearly identical in that aspect. As far as power, this particual C5 I know of had a full custom exahust system, intake, ported and polished head, cams, injectors, along with a few other bits done to it. The power output 280kw at the wheels or 375hp at the wheels. Before that was done it threw nearly exactly what the R34 GTR did at an average of 222kw at the wheels vs 228kw for the GTR. As far as the weight thing the C5 is heavier, not by much but it is, about 150lbs. It also produced slightly better torque due more in part to the V8, but the increase that was most noticable was at low revs, as they both came on power though the GTR was right there next to it, nearly identical torque output.

Now as far as the Z06 this is an ehanced Vette vs the base Vette. This is what I've found out. So you guys want to compare the top of the line Vette factory, well not really factory but close enough, vs a bog standard GTR. Naturally the Z06 will have the upper hand. For a vehicle having a much wider and longer track, engine over twice the size I would say that is a compliment to a car with substantially smaller displacement. Either way NISMO, which is part of NISSAN in around-about way did an ehanced model theirselves. A very limited R tune spec. This came with fully adjustable platform suspension, N1 turbos, 550cc injectors, 3 1/4" exhaust system, NISMO ehanced ecu. What does that mean? 475 bhp directly from them. I've not been able to find out how many were produced but it was very very few, under 30 total for each GTR generation, with the R32 being the least powerful at 450hp but also lightest. On the R32 17x9" wheels were fitted with 265X40X17's. These were the Vspec II styled wheels which are simular to the R33's except were not standard alloy, but magnesium.
The Z06 still would have a handling advantage yes, no arguement there. How ever it still would not be as explosive from mid corner out as the GTR, even on a dry track. The outright power shifts side, but at high speed rolling corners the Vette would without a doubt have the upper hand, where as in the really tight slower speed corners such as hairpins, and outright accelleration the GTR would have its way with its driveline configuration and lighter weight.

Top speed the Z06 again would have an upper hand due to better aerodynamics and gear ratios. Stability I would also give the Z06 the nod due to again its wider and longer wheel track. Over all I feel the Z06 would get the nod in this comparison thought it would be so very close. I wonder why the Z06 doesn't run in the JGTC 500 class. Interesting though isn't it. Lamo has one in there, just doesn't do so well.

[Mr Payne]

Originally Posted by RazorGTR

Ok before I go on a rant what is the difference between a C5 and Z06? If they are the same then i can say I've been not only in both, but driven both, as my tuner a while back did a C5 Vette a guy brought back from the states.

To Mr. Payne and the rest. You guys really need to quit taking the dribblings for pathetic mag writers, and 99.9% of the shit you read on the net so gospel. Once my question is answered I'll tell you what I know.

http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/.../suspcomp.html

There ya go, chief. On top of this is weight savings and additional cooling equipment. On top of this I believe things such as toe, camber, etc. MIGHT be modified as well.

[Mr Payne]

Originally Posted by RazorGTR

The C5 Corvette does handle much better. There is no doubt or disupute in that, and it bloody well should. Considering it is wider and longer, has wheels and tyres that are substaintially wider thus even ehancing its ability to corner. The suspension is a lot stiffer and again more suited to cornering. If you were to swap the R34 GTR with wheels and tyres simular they would be very close if not nearly identical in that aspect. As far as power, this particual C5 I know of had a full custom exahust system, intake, ported and polished head, cams, injectors, along with a few other bits done to it. The power output 280kw at the wheels or 375hp at the wheels. Before that was done it threw nearly exactly what the R34 GTR did at an average of 222kw at the wheels vs 228kw for the GTR. As far as the weight thing the C5 is heavier, not by much but it is, about 150lbs. It also produced slightly better torque due more in part to the V8, but the increase that was most noticable was at low revs, as they both came on power though the GTR was right there next to it, nearly identical torque output.

Now as far as the Z06 this is an ehanced Vette vs the base Vette. This is what I've found out. So you guys want to compare the top of the line Vette factory, well not really factory but close enough, vs a bog standard GTR.
A Z06 is a factory Corvette, they sold more than 8K of the 03 model year.

Naturally the Z06 will have the upper hand. For a vehicle having a much wider and longer track, engine over twice the size I would say that is a compliment to a car with substantially smaller displacement.
Of course, a turbo has the same effect as adding displacement.

Either way NISMO, which is part of NISSAN in around-about way did an ehanced model theirselves. A very limited R tune spec. This came with fully adjustable platform suspension, N1 turbos, 550cc injectors, 3 1/4" exhaust system, NISMO ehanced ecu. What does that mean? 475 bhp directly from them. I've not been able to find out how many were produced but it was very very few, under 30 total for each GTR generation, with the R32 being the least powerful at 450hp but also lightest. On the R32 17x9" wheels were fitted with 265X40X17's. These were the Vspec II styled wheels which are simular to the R33's except were not standard alloy, but magnesium.
The Z06 still would have a handling advantage yes, no arguement there. How ever it still would not be as explosive from mid corner out as the GTR, even on a dry track. The outright power shifts side, but at high speed rolling corners the Vette would without a doubt have the upper hand, where as in the really tight slower speed corners such as hairpins, and outright accelleration the GTR would have its way with its driveline configuration and lighter weight.

Top speed the Z06 again would have an upper hand due to better aerodynamics and gear ratios. Stability I would also give the Z06 the nod due to again its wider and longer wheel track. Over all I feel the Z06 would get the nod in this comparison thought it would be so very close. I wonder why the Z06 doesn't run in the JGTC 500 class. Interesting though isn't it. Lamo has one in there, just doesn't do so well.
It comes down to money, as always.

My stuff in bold.

[RazorGTR]

cheers for the link Payne, but my comment of reading gosple was more towards the skyline instead of the Corvette.

I haven't really followed much on the vette's since 1984, as honestly they didn't intreque me. I've always loved the Camaro later models and Chevelles of the late 60's and 1970.

Quite an interesting read, though.