which would win on a track?

[CrzyMR2T]

modified mr2 turbo 93-95 vs. nissan 240sx 91-93 with sr20det motor vs 95-98 eclipse gsx. all with same power around 250hp, and has regular suspension mods, full interior and all that, in which order should they win on a race track with all kinds of turns?

[NISSANSPDR]

Partially depends on what kind of track...partially depends on what you mean by "regular suspension mods"

But I'd say...the MR2, the 240SX, and the GSX...the MR2 cuz it weighes less and is pretty quick already out of the box and handles very nicely...the 240SX w/it's still pretty low curb weight, 50/50 distribution, and good handling coupled w/the nice SR power delivery...the GSX last b/c it's a heavy car and tends to understeer, but still has AWD, and turbo power...but it's not as good as the 1st gen's

[CrzyMR2T]

well i knew someone might ask about the suspension part, i thought that saying regular mods was enough, but regular mods as in just bolt on performance parts. like sway bars, full suspension, no welding, cutting or changing the a arms or anything like that, and spending no more than 5 grand on that area.

[JekylandHyde]

Originally Posted by NISSANSPDR

the MR2 cuz it weighes less

That is a common fallacy. The MKII MR2 weighs in at 2800-3200 lbs... about the same as the 240. Although the MR2 is small, there is a lot of steel built into it ...specifically the rear pillars for safety.

I would say the MR2 would still take the others on the course though.

... not sure about the 240 vs the GSX, but my instincts say the GSX.

[TatII]

you really think a GSX can out handle a 240? i mean a 240 is not the best handling car but it handles good enough to be pretty lethal at autox's with very little suspension mods. the GSX was never known to be a good handler. the awd system wasn't designed for handling but more for crazy launches, and save your ass in the rain kind of traction and nothing more really. plus the GSX sorta weights alot. and the center of gravity is very high for that car cause its very tall. also i rarely ever hear of people auto Xing GSX's.

[JekylandHyde]

Originally Posted by TatII

you really think a GSX can out handle a 240?

I fully admit that I am not in any position of authority on either the 240 or the gsx.

That is why I refered to "my instincts" in my last post.
In an atuocross, I coudl see the 240 owning the gsx, but the question at hand was on the "track". I took that to mean a full sized road course.

[SR20DETpower]

I think the s13 would win. Its the lightest car, they all have the same HP, 250rwhp lets say.... And I'll take the 240sx in handling over any of those cars with 5k put into the suspension lol... thats crazy, Its alslo lighter, againlol, and better balanced. MR2 vs it would almost be a drivers race but I think the 240 would come out on top. On a race track he GSX couldn't contend with these guys, dragstrip the GSX would hand them their asses but not on a road course.

and if you wanted to do some serious modding for racing, I think the 240sx is the best for this as well vs those other cars mentioned.

[CrzyMR2T]

i think the 240sx vs mr2 thing would be a good race, but doesnt the 240 corner better? even if the 240 weighs a little less, the mr2 has less power loss right? so they all even out im guessing. i think the mr2 might get a slightly better track time, cause i think it should handle about as good as the 240sx, and im thinking its slightly faster in the straights. and im not being biased, even if i have an mr2. anyone know for sure? has anyone seen anything between the mr2, and the 240?

[Sw2108]

Honestly u guys dont think about how the mr2 has a advantage on the track because of it mid engine. the mr2 can take the corners alot faster than the 240. even though it has the sr20. the rear end has no weigth on it so he cant speed threw the corners like a mr2 could. I say the mr2 would womp everybody. My body has a 240 95 model. that thing goes every where on the wet pavment. It would be nice to see those two go at it on a course.

[CrzyMR2T]

yea mid engine helps, but look at the nsx vs rx-7 thing with same power, the rx-7 takes corners faster, even if the nsx has the mid engine. maybe im over looking something about the rx-7 though, is that considered a front engine or mid? cause if the engines behind the front axle, or in front of the rear axle, basically if the engine lies anywhere between the axles its considered mid, so is the rx-7 mid? anyways whether the cars front, mid, or rear engined, it shouldnt always be relied on for the cars handling ability, but yea mid engine is usually the better design.

[TatII]

i wouldn't exactly say that a 240sx have no weight in the back. your mistaking it for a front wheel drive car. the 240 has a near 50/50 weight distribution. since the actual transmission runs across the whole center of hte car, then you have the drive shaft goin to the rear end and with a large rear differential. so its pretty much near perfect balance. hardly weightless in the back.

[WayOutCat]

nissan 240sx 91-93 with sr20det motor ? sorry for my newbie-esque question here, but is that motor available in the states?

[flylwsi]

rx7 is considered "mid" engined b/c the engine is behind the front axle line.
rx7's also weigh far less than nsx's.

there's that one for you.

back to this argument.
the 6 link rear suspension in the gsx isn't really designed for good launches... but that's a different story.

i'd take the mr2, but the gsx/240 is a toss up.

[klohiq]

MR2
240SX
Ecplise GSX

MR2 would definitely do better as long as there was a good driver behind the wheel. 240SX is definitely next because it has either the same or more power depending on what sr you are talking about. It also weighs less by a few hundred pounds. The GSX would lead from the start and it would probably pull off some good times, but I don't think it can touch a 240.