Manuel vs. Auto

[Spyk]

gT YOU MIGHTBE RIGHT I KNOW aRTDOES GM MORE THANFORD... BUT WITH JUST THE TRANNY .. NO ENGINE ORK AND A STALL ..STILL STOCK GEAR NO SHIFKIT OR DR'S I DROPPED.6 IN THE 1/4 NOW YOU May say yeah well the 03 cobra with its t-56 can roock when the they did a same day same drver test on the Ws6 not the ss the WS6 fully loaded 02 stock as a bone automatic did constitant13.02 13 .5 13.01 and so on the one time best for the 03 c=Cobra was 12.85 and that was never repeated or lower

i get that alot oh your. Ws6 is an Auto hehehehe its more of a performance car than the manual.. its perception.. 4 banger setthe stage a 6's if you had an autoo4 or 6 you were lke 1.5 seconds slower..so the manual became the benchmark...in my boo wining a race eting mony is the most fun of alland i can handle better by not being distacted by the shifting .jmo

[HiFlow5 0]

Originally posted by Fliquer
If you have an automatic, then people are going to assume you arent an enthusiast...thats all. Its common knowledge that manuals give a person better control over the car. Of course, there are exceptions like cars that only come in auto, or cars that are too powerful for a manual.

That is totally not true! If your an enthusiast then your an enthusiast, no matter what you drive. If someone thinks less of you cause you own an auto then they are not a real enthusiast!

A better control over the car, How so? I can shift my car just like a stick, have just as much fun, and can be a lot more consistent. I have a ton of control and can manipulate the tranny to shift exactly where I want it to.

Cars that are too powerful for a manual? LOL that's a good one. From what I have learned autos are a lot weaker, especially with OD. I'm not saying manuals are bulletproof, but they can definitely handle more power then an auto.

[Spyk]

absolutely ..if amanual has to muchpower the clutch burns up it it an aut you have breakage of hard part

when they laugh my Ws6 has an auto .. i know i've hookeda sucker and thats when the bet come.'well its only an Auto..ya know their slower hehehe


no offense fird boy but if weren't for you i would have all the mods i do today...lol

[GTStang]

In bone stock form from the factory 98% of the time the standard is going to be stronger. Once you start investing money into tranny rebuilds and high performance clutches, It just comes down to preference.

[DeViL]

Automatics do not suck at all, I've seen quite a few cars pretty much decked out for drag racing, converted from manual to automatic. That's saying something. Maybe its because the way they are geared they would have to shift unhumanly quick. Honestly I don't know the reason I've never dealt with cars as powerful as the one's converted.

btw supposedly the new Firebird Trans Ams are faster in automatic then in manual at drag racing.

[Spyk]

bac in200 pontiac enthusiasr mag did a rest were 10 Ws6 stock wer 1/4 miled half wer auto's the othr 6 speed 9 now emeber the 6 spee has 3.42 rear end while the uto's had 3.23rear the conclusion 8 of ten au so remarkable cosering lower gearing lesgear andthe auto were untouched,, no impovwmwnoc over the Factory won by at least .2

[BigDanTheMan]

please take your time while typing. you have some valuable information that gives me a headach when i try to decipher it.

[GTStang]

I don't know Gm's gearing but remember it's a combination of rear gears and gear ratios of the transmissions themselves. Also remember a stock stick is going to be limited by traction on equal tires. If a stock auto and stock stick both have Drag Slicks the stick is going to win. The ability to drop the clutch a 3grand isn't going to be matched without a torque convertor.
Also no matter what you want to say it can not be argued that more power is loss through an auto than a standard. This is a fact that is as old as cars.

[Fliquer]

Cars that are too powerful for a manual? LOL that's a good one. From what I have learned autos are a lot weaker, especially with OD. I'm not saying manuals are bulletproof, but they can definitely handle more power then an auto.

Its not about tranny strength, its about balancing clutch and traction. Its pretty hard to move a 500lb/ft car from a stop without either burning the clutch or the tires.

A better control over the car, How so? I can shift my car just like a stick, have just as much fun, and can be a lot more consistent. I have a ton of control and can manipulate the tranny to shift exactly where I want it to.

First of all, I dont remember any '89 stangs having tiptronic "manual shift" automatics (did they?). Second, 99% of automanual transmissions will upshift automatically when you take your foot off the pedal, even in manual mode. When im carving corners, I need my engine to stay in its powerband. I can have the tranny upshifting each time I take my foot off the gas for a turn. You simply dont have the same control as you would in a manual tranny.

PS: I think its understood that track/drag setup aftermarket auto trannys dont count.

[BigDanTheMan]

good point

[blazed on haze :\]

Originally posted by SkylineUSA
If you have a car that does a 10 sec 1/4 or better, an auto is the way to go.

Now for road course racing manual is the way to go.

If you have a girlfriend, I would want an auto

So Autos are not gay, but your better know how to drive a manual

thats so true man. good post.

[HiFlow5 0]

Originally posted by Fliquer
Its not about tranny strength, its about balancing clutch and traction. Its pretty hard to move a 500lb/ft car from a stop without either burning the clutch or the tires.

Now that's a different story. Its not that the tranny can't handle the power, its the clutch that can't. Same thing can happen with the converter of an auto under loads of power. I've read more then once about a persons converter being ripped apart, and not on drag cars. I'm saying stock for stock manuals are stronger, and make more power cause auto's eat up the power.

[b]First of all, I don't remember any '89 stangs having tiptronic "manual shift" automatics (did they?). Second, 99% of automanual transmissions will upshift automatically when you take your foot off the pedal, even in manual mode. [B/]

No, they didn't have tiptronic trannys. There are ways to make the auto hold each gear without upshifting on its own. So in reality it can be driven just like a standard, but without the clutch work. So if I want to stay in my powerband I can hold the gear I need to keep the desired RPM. This can be done on a lot of auto's, not only at the track on tricked out trannys.

I'm just trying to play devils advocate here, and bring up points that are being over looked from different angles.

[HiFlow5 0]

Originally posted by Spyk
absolutely ..if amanual has to muchpower the clutch burns up it it an aut you have breakage of hard part

when they laugh my Ws6 has an auto .. i know i've hookeda sucker and thats when the bet come.'well its only an Auto..ya know their slower hehehe


no offense fird boy but if weren't for you i would have all the mods i do today...lol

HU? What are you trying to say?

Originally posted by BigDanTheMan please take your time while typing. you have some valuable information that gives me a headach when i try to decipher it.

Ah yes, that says it all! LOL

[Spyk]

Glad you added the last part cause with the shiftkit i'll bounce off the limiter if i have to while "carving a mountain road"

[Spyk]

From our own board site(motortrend) Srt4 14.3at a cost out the doorfof23k

the Spec v NA out the door at 17.6k and what litle mods it takes to drop the car wich has oficially done 15.1 stock..just get it to breathe like i did and guess who is hellal you need is the Japanese Nismo chip worth 40 whp &
thats abot lesthan 1500 i/h/e

and the shitty Srt4istoast..i have different mods puting me at mid 14'sthat cosrt far lesssoitthe driver who winsremebersynergty of Car and driver the car doesn'twin when its close the driver wins
and much better quality

but withthe aforemetioned mods the Srt4 is toast for far less
hahahaa

Srt4iscshit compared to the stickered 16kSpecv..

as you were saying

and most of my mods were free mods or extremely trivialin cost..you youngins don't know jack
i'mlaughing atthe inferior intelect