frankeinstien lsvtec

[edman24]

i think that ls turbo being faster is besides the point. if he builds this now and wants to turbo later, it will be much much faster then any regular ls turbo will be. but i will warn you, aggressive cams and high comp pistons will need to be removed before turbocharging or you will run into some problems. you really need to decide which one you want and stick to it. want NA? then go all out NA, dont plan on transforming it to turbo later on cause its a big waste of money.

also those prices i gave you are from experience. the best place for you to get prices on parts is either online or talk to the shop that will be doing this work for you. see how much they will charge you to order the parts. if you do it all through them they should give you a good price. thats what my friend is doing with his 650hp turbo lsvtec hes building. it will be insane when its finished.

[looking4_12s_run]

Originally Posted by Spectre927

Its LS/VTEC. And how would an "RS/VTEC/TURBO" be any more "practical" than an LS/Turbo? All motor is more reliable:true, but you claim to be on a budget. Either you're not smart with money, or you dont see the big picture. Do you realize the resale isn't good on USED parts, not to mention a market already full of them? What are you gonna do with those aggressive cams(plus matching springs and retainers), high comp pistons, 2.25 inch exhaust, the intake and the header systems? Then there's your type r tranny.... I'm just trying to help. After you finish your engine, give me the same amount of cash, and we'll see what I can do.

Actually its an RS bottom so isnt it RS/VTEC? I dont think I will ever be putting turbo on the block, but if I do, why would I change the springs and retainers? As for reselling performence parts.. I live in canada where parts are much harder to come by. Yes, I will never get the same value out of it, but I guess it all comes down to the fact that I dont really think Ill get turbo.

[looking4_12s_run]

Hey edman24, your friends nutts.

I think im going to skip the toda cams, but keep the High comp pistons. Im not going to put turbo on the thing for at least a year after im done with the base. When I do put turbo on it i might loose 400 for the pistons but I'm pritty sure I could very easily get 80% of my investment on the headers back. As for the intake, it came with the engine.

So total setback if I go from high comp rs/vtec to turbo rs/vtec = about $500. Thats acceptable. Besides, it will be my first performance engine. Let me enjoy my learning curve.

[Spectre927]

Originally Posted by looking4_12s_run

Actually its an RS bottom so isnt it RS/VTEC? I dont think I will ever be putting turbo on the block, but if I do, why would I change the springs and retainers? As for reselling performence parts.. I live in canada where parts are much harder to come by. Yes, I will never get the same value out of it, but I guess it all comes down to the fact that I dont really think Ill get turbo.

No, it pointlessly confuses things, because then others may come in here and see RS/VTEC thinking its some new engine with 300hp, just call it an LS/VTEC. Usually the springs and retainers match the cams, but I suppose you could keep them... what would be the point though? Anyways, goodluck with whatever you choose to do.

[edman24]

wait so youre going with high comp pistons and staying with stock cams then?i guess thats ok just strange that you would do so. also if youre not changing the cams do not, and i mean DO NOT change springs and retainers. some people will tell you to do it and that you can rev higher, yes its true but that comes at a price. people dont realize aftermarket springs wear very quickly compared to stock ones. plus you dont need the extra room for lift because you are not changing the cams. staying with stock cams? keep the stock valvetrain.

oh yes two more things, it is always called ls/vtec not rs/vtec no matter what integra it came out of, and my friend is completely insane. we're talkin a 10 second street honda, maybe 9 seconds with a little juicey juice

[looking4_12s_run]

Your telling me that I dont have to change my valvetrain if I dont change the cams? Are you sure?

If you are thats great news. All I will be needing is the rods and pistons and I'm done for now.

[Spectre927]

Originally Posted by looking4_12s_run

Your telling me that I dont have to change my valvetrain if I dont change the cams? Are you sure?

If you are thats great news. All I will be needing is the rods and pistons and I'm done for now.

If you up the redline you will have to.

[black89crxLs]

Originally Posted by looking4_12s_run

Ok, I got a honda civic cx hatchback (not that it matters too much) and I'm aiming to eventualy get a 12 second run out of it.

I've already bought a B18C (Integra type R) head and had it ported and polished.
I've also bought an ls bottom, hence the frankeinstien.
Now I dont plan on adding turbo any time soon.

Question 1:
I want to safely get 240 HP out of this block. What do I have to do?

Question 2:
When joining the lx with the type r head, compression becomes higher (i think). Do I have to buy crower rods and valve train.

Question 3:
What are my transmission options for an application like this.

OK kid can u show pics, y would you get a itr head PnP when it comes with one, take and trade it for a b16 head, and why not sell the ls and buy a gsr block, its ment for vtec, 1.54 in not a good RS ratio to be revin high, (even though im buildin one right now) i hope you dont plan on getting 240 WHP out of this cause it wont happne inless you got boost maby FwHP, kidd prove it, you will have 170-190 hp to the FW with LS/vtec, its not a dependable motor but is quick, sell the ls bottom and get a gsr, plain and simple, with you asking this question means you dont know to to much so go with somethin simple till you leanr the tricks of the trade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[95TegSE]

black89crxLs, I love how you just regurgitated everything that was said earlier in this thread. Why would he trade a port and polished itr head for a b16 head, it's like trading for a downgraded product. If I'm not mistaken, he can go the high compression route and get close to 240whp out of the setup with the right money. What are you asking him to prove anyway?

[KrNxRaCer00]

uhm...jus wanted to say one thing...

itr head (b18c5) is simply a p&p b16 head w/ other parts. might have already known this, but the way u were talking about it...made it sound like a whole different head.

[looking4_12s_run]

Hey black89crxLs, go play in trafic. This is not a flame thread so f off. Where to you come off calling me a kid. Have we met before? I didnt think so.
Before you start making coments read whats been going on. I didnt say I got 240 out of anything.
Your not even worth me typing any more.

[black89crxLs]

i said that simply because it's easy to re wire a b16 to a obo+ set up, but what do i know I've only done, munn over 15 swaps, mah bad, i just wanted to see a pic of the ITR head because so many sell b16 as ITR just change the v.cover to sell it for more, I guess what i should have stated was, what cx hatch do u have,92-95 or 95-99,,,,,,

[looking4_12s_run]

My hatch back is a 95-99, and I never said you didnt know your shit. I just dont think anybody likes being called a "kid". Your oppinions are welcome, just not your insults

[looking4_12s_run]

I want to thank everyone who gave me a hand in this thread. All your comments were appriciated. I've decided to go ahead with the following;

ls/vtec block with ported and polished head,
toda cams stage 3, toda valve train, JE high compression pistons, crower rods, DC 4-1 Headers, Hondadata, ITR intake manifold, ITR trany

Should be able to pull out at lease 210 out of there.

[black89crxLs]

Kid is not ment as an insult, just like DUDE and Bro, thats just how we talk in Louisiana, any how you will get 170-195 HP from a stocl LS/V setup, with your ITR head P-N-P you should reach 200 right there, the you also have pistons i belive you said, just add a set of CTR cams, CAI,4-1 header and 2.5 exause and there you go, you can also boost the spart a lil with MSD, and you can easly squexe 5-13 extra HP if you have it finely tuned, keep us updated on you progress, and what u add!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!