how to drift a Front-drive?

[Tony]

thats a good page there ragnorak, too bad left foot braking is the only page there that works. that page proofs a very good point too.

[RyNoSeRuS]

hi guys i'm knew here and i was just reading through this forum and the only true definition of a "drift" is "a controled sideways slide", meaning, it's the fine driving line between over steer and under steer (or something to that affect). I have never heard of a "drift" "controling the power to the rear wheels". flylwsi, do you have a car? it doesn't say you do in your profile, and if you don't have a car how can you know what you are talking about? i'm not trying to start stuff, but you seem to be making waves.

[Suislide]

Originally posted by RyNoSeRuS
hi guys i'm knew here and i was just reading through this forum and the only true definition of a "drift" is "a controled sideways slide", meaning, it's the fine driving line between over steer and under steer (or something to that affect). I have never heard of a "drift" "controling the power to the rear wheels". flylwsi, do you have a car? it doesn't say you do in your profile, and if you don't have a car how can you know what you are talking about? i'm not trying to start stuff, but you seem to be making waves.

you're the one coming in here as a "newbie" and starting stuff with veteran members...you may not be TRYING to start stuff, but stuff gets started without trying you know.

FWD cars CAN get sideways, sure, i'll give you that. but it is NOT DRIFTING!!! it's SLIDING or ASS-DRAGGING. drifting is the combination of getting your car sideways and being able to control it using the power to the rear wheels.

[flylwsi]

do i have a car?
and you are whom to ask?

i've got 2.
89 prelude si. built
94 s10 xcab 5spd. lowered and fast.
anything else?

i'm pretty sure i know how to drive.

s13 understood my point.

im not making waves.

simply pointing out that you cannot control a car that has been left footed into a turn. you can't keep it there with the gas, so it's not drifting.

make sense?
do i have to explain it some more?

you can get a fwd car to swing around with the e brake, left foot, whatever, but you can't sustain the slide with the gas like you can rwd car. so it's not drifting.

i'm not doubting anyone's method here, but it's not a method of drifting b/c you can't drift a fwd car.

keep in mind that the methods mentioned are used by rwd cars with one subtle difference.
they keep it going with the gas. you can't do that with fwd.

wow. i'm repeating myself again.

and did i mention i've got 2 cars? and driven more than enough fast cars to know what i'm talking about?

[Tony]

I think all this is what your definition of a drift is, either it is a controlled slide, or a slide controlled using your rear wheels. I have seen both definitions everywhere. So see, really this is just a never ending arguement. I, myself, I got by the definition of a controlled slide, whether it is controlling it with the rear wheels, or left foot braking, they both take an amount of skill to accomplish a good drift. Doesn't matter if some do not consider it a drift or not, to others it might.

[Ragnarok043]

Originally posted by flylwsi

simply pointing out that you cannot control a car that has been left footed into a turn. you can't keep it there with the gas, so it's not drifting.

yes you can keep your foot on the gas and brake at the same time, thats the whole point of left foot braking. your not stomping on the brake the way through, just lightly to keep the weight up front to let the rear swing out.

make sense?
do i have to explain it some more?

you can get a fwd car to swing around with the e brake, left foot, whatever, but you can't sustain the slide with the gas like you can rwd car. so it's not drifting.

i'm not doubting anyone's method here, but it's not a method of drifting b/c you can't drift a fwd car.

keep in mind that the methods mentioned are used by rwd cars with one subtle difference.
they keep it going with the gas. you can't do that with fwd.

wow. i'm repeating myself again.

and did i mention i've got 2 cars? and driven more than enough fast cars to know what i'm talking about?

but you can substain a drift with left foot braking, you right foot is planted on throttle the way through. instead of countersteering with the steering wheel you control it with your left foot on the brake. if it understeers apply the brake harder, if it oversteers release the brake. no matter how much you deny it or change the standards you can drift in a FWD with left foot braking, nothing is impossible.

did you even read the article i linked

[Suislide]

Originally posted by Ragnarok043


but you can substain a drift with left foot braking, you right foot is planted on throttle the way through. instead of countersteering with the steering wheel you control it with your left foot on the brake. if it understeers apply the brake harder, if it oversteers release the brake. no matter how much you deny it or change the standards you can drift in a FWD with left foot braking, nothing is impossible.

did you even read the article i linked

if you go around a corner long enough, eventually the FWD is going to lose it's momentum because it's not being driven through the turn using the accelerator. meanwhile, the RWD is using the drive wheels to power through the corner, so it could keep going as long as possibly. meanwhile the FWD, which is being controlled by braking, will eventually lose it's momentum and/or have to pull out of the drift. FWD's car slide sideways, but it is NOT drifting. i feel like i'm talking to a brick wall.

[Tony]

We are all talking to brick walls. Apparently everyone has their own opinion of what a drift is, and no one can change each others opinion.

[Ragnarok043]

Originally posted by S13_Iketani


if you go around a corner long enough, eventually the FWD is going to lose it's momentum because it's not being driven through the turn using the accelerator. meanwhile, the RWD is using the drive wheels to power through the corner, so it could keep going as long as possibly. meanwhile the FWD, which is being controlled by braking, will eventually lose it's momentum and/or have to pull out of the drift. FWD's car slide sideways, but it is NOT drifting. i feel like i'm talking to a brick wall.

how do you know that an FWD wont have enough momentum to drift through a corner, have you tried it yourself, do you got any solid proof that left foot braking doesnt work. this technique was developed in rally racing so that you wont loose as much momentum. i already stated that with left foot braking your right foot is on the gas the whole way through, youre not stomping on the brake to slow down just massaging it to transfer weight to the front. its not like e brake where youre ass draggin the whole way through. plus you only have to do it til you hit the apex and that only lasts for a few secs then you can floor the throttle. youd have to stomp on the brakes the whole way through to loose so much momentum that you cant drift.

[Ragnarok043]

Originally posted by Tony
We are all talking to brick walls. Apparently everyone has their own opinion of what a drift is, and no one can change each others opinion.

you tell me, i show proof and some people keep trying to push the standards up for what is a drift. i explain how it could be done with left foot braking but nobody wants to accept the fact that it works. but it doesnt matter to me if anybody wants to believe it or not. atleast i made a believer out of you.

[flylwsi]

s13 understands...

rag...

i know what you're saying, but what happens when the corner is long enough for the fwd car to lose momentum?
b/c it'll happen.

and if you're left foot braking, you'll burn the brakes, slow the car, and not do much else.

no one is elevating the standard, but it's getting more defined.

you don't left foot brake through a corner, you left foot into it.
if you had to continually left foot through a corner, then you'd get a jerky slide, not really a clean smooth drift...
left foot is more for rally and dirt...
and yes, i know you can use it on a street course, but not to the same effect and efficiency.

[Tony]

Originally posted by flylwsi
s13 understands...

rag...

i know what you're saying, but what happens when the corner is long enough for the fwd car to lose momentum?
b/c it'll happen.

and if you're left foot braking, you'll burn the brakes, slow the car, and not do much else.

no one is elevating the standard, but it's getting more defined.

you don't left foot brake through a corner, you left foot into it.
if you had to continually left foot through a corner, then you'd get a jerky slide, not really a clean smooth drift...
left foot is more for rally and dirt...
and yes, i know you can use it on a street course, but not to the same effect and efficiency.

So there, are you saying, that in its own way, a FWD can drift? a drift is a drift, no matter if its a little drift or a giant drift, if you can get the car in a controlled slid, its a drift, no matter how long you hold it, or how smoothly it goes though. I'm sure at first a FWD drift will look really crappy until the person figures it out completely and knows how to control the car better.

[flylwsi]

in it's own way, yes, fwd can "drift".

for all practical purposes, i've never called it drifting, b/c i associate drifting with the driving style and rwd or awd cars, not necessarily small drifts that an fwd car can accomplish.

drifting to me is something that you can accomplish on a whim, do whenever, and hold for an unset amount of time, something you, not the cars grip (as in fwd) determines..

[Tony]

Alright, so we sort of came to an agreement, technically a FWD can drift, but in some people's eyes it can't. I will agree, a FWD can't drift like a RWD or AWD car can, but it can drift.

[Ragnarok043]

Originally posted by Tony
Alright, so we sort of came to an agreement, technically a FWD can drift, but in some people's eyes it can't. I will agree, a FWD can't drift like a RWD or AWD car can, but it can drift.

i can accept that too