Quick question about the Z28.....

[96 LT1-Z]

The Corvette is not aimed at the same crowd as the F-body. The vette's performance advantage as far as straight line speed begins around 100mph which explains their slightly higher trap speed than the f cars. The real difference is in the handling, as the Vette is considered by many (including John Coletti, head of Ford's SVT) as America's only true sports car.

[blackbob]

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS


Well yeah, the fact that I have the same engine as base Corvettes and with $700 invested in mods can beat them, and for a little over half their price says, that they're nothing to be scared of. But they still remain Chevrolet's bread and butter because they're so popular with the older, more well off crowd.

I see exactly what your saying. But you would think it would cost us young,poor people a little more then $700 to get our cars to run right pass them.

[hitman8728]

what about the lta camaros what r the 1/4 times for them

[hitman8728]

lt1 sorry guys

[BlkCamaroSS]

Low 14's high 13's I believe, never owned one though...

[96 LT1-Z]

Check my sig for my stock times. A 13.8 would'nt be out of the question though with that mph. I also run with no less than 3/4 tank of gas, don't air down my tires or remove my jack and spare.

[LSs1Power]

Look at the numbers that my car did put down stock at only 400Miles. It did put down 292RWHP and 314RWTQ stock. That means i had 343HP and almost 370TQ. The only difference between the SS and the Z28 is the catback and its good for 10-15RWHP more. The C5 and the SS are getting the same numbers on the dyno and most of the times the SS are getting higher numbers than the SS due to its dependent rear which losses more power than the solid one. Anyways after adding a LID and a Catback i gained 33RWHP and 24RWTQ for a total of 325RWHP and 338RWTQ which means i have now 376HP and 397TQ with $400 in mods. I'm going to add the FLP headers and that should put me at 400HP and more than 400TQ. So with only 2K u can reach the Z06 number, but still cant beat it due to its light weight 3100 Vs 3400lbs.

[DeViL]

Whether you think the Corvette is overrated or not doesn't mean a damn thing to GM. The whole world could write letters and they won't change the price. The Corvette is the wealthy man's muscle car of GM, on top of every car they produce and usually on top of whatever Ford can produce. Hell it's a dream car and if they lowered the price so young people and average working people could afford it, then there wouldn't be something to strive for would there? So whether its fast or not complaining about it being overrated is pointless.

Also if you are saying the Z28 and SS are no different then you're trying to tell me ram air makes no difference in performance, which is not true.

[96 LT1-Z]

Hell, the price wont chance just because all of the Vettes competition is way more expensive.

[LSs1Power]

Originally posted by DeViL

Also if you are saying the Z28 and SS are no different then you're trying to tell me ram air makes no difference in performance, which is not true.

I said the only difference between the SS and the Z28 is the catback ONLY. I know what i'm talking about and if you dont believe me you can go and ask on LS1.com or LS1tech.com and they will be happy to tell u the same thing again. The SS usually dyno's 10-15RWHP more due to the catback. That's why when a Z28 adds a catback they see up to 15-20RWHP while on the other hand the SS sometimes gets an increase between 1 to 8RWHP and sometime none. U get my point!!! The RamAir thing doesnt help at all in the case of the Camaro because of the stupid design, did u ever looked at the design from the inside, didnt think so. It would help a little bit in the case of the T/A because the design allows the air to get throught the LID. One more thing, next time when you want to say your opinion on something u think u know. Do go around telling people what they are saying is not true unless u know it for sure, which in this case you dont. Thank you.

[Black_97'Z]

Originally posted by Lingenfelter
You not completly right first the SS with a 6-speed has never done high twelves stock. They do low 13s from factorI dont car if the best driver drives it. But i have to agree GM did underrate them i believe that they would have more horsepower all though they did mess up on the 00 model with the piston rings.

GM underated the F-body alot, LS1's are rated at 305-310 fly wheel HP in the F-body, but will make 295-315 RWHP. There is no real performance gain to be had in the SS or Firehawk over the Z28 and TA. Except if you get one of the suspension ungrades, then you will handle better. Ever heard of LS1.com or camaroz28.com ? Go ask about 12sec. factory cars. Not all M6 cars hit 12's, but there are the factory freaks that have hit 12's stock. GM High Tech Performance got a 2000 M6 Z28 to go 12.8, and a 2002 SS A4 convertible to go 13.5. 98-99 LS1's make right around 290-300hp at the wheels, with M6 getting 5hp-10hp more than the A4, but, they have dynoed more to the wheels. 00-02 LS1 cars are a little stronger due to the LS6 intake manifold, new cam profile, silghtly revised headers. 00-02 Ls1 will get about 310-315 to the wheels. I have personally seen a 02, M6 Z28 dyno 323hp to the wheels STOCK.

It's the 98-99 LS1's that people have reported to have an oiling problem. One of the years has a cylinder head recall if your car was built within a certain period. And I don't know what GM did about the people complaing of excessive piston slap, even after the car has warmed up.

There is no difference between the Vette LS1 and the F-body LS1. Vettes have IRS which caused a little more HP loss to the wheels, so Vettes dyno about the same RWHP as an F-body. In the 1/4 Vettes are faster the because they are lighter and are more aerodynamic. M6 Vettes go low 13's to mid 12's, with high 12's being the norm. A4 Vettes run mid 13's to high 12's with low-low 13's being the norm.

[Black_97'Z]

Originally posted by DeViL
Also if you are saying the Z28 and SS are no different then you're trying to tell me ram air makes no difference in performance, which is not true.

The RamAir setups on F-bodys SUCKS. Look at the route the incoming air has to travel befor it reaches the air box is the LS1 SS's and LT1 SS's. The WS6 and Firehawk setups are a little better, but the VERY small gains to be had are not going to win you a race. The RamAir setup only starts to acually "Ram" air into the air box at speed greater than 100mph. And again, the gains are very small.

[BlkCamaroSS]

Originally posted by Black_97'Z



The RamAir setups on F-bodys SUCKS. Look at the route the incoming air has to travel befor it reaches the air box is the LS1 SS's and LT1 SS's. The WS6 and Firehawk setups are a little better, but the VERY small gains to be had are not going to win you a race. The RamAir setup only starts to acually "Ram" air into the air box at speed greater than 100mph. And again, the gains are very small.

Gotta love the style of the SS hoods though. I prefer the style of the 96-97's more (more angular and hot rod-like), but they're both improvements over the stock hoods.

[Black_97'Z]

Originally posted by BlkCamaroSS


Gotta love the style of the SS hoods though. I prefer the style of the 96-97's more (more angular and hot rod-like), but they're both improvements over the stock hoods.

True the SS hood looks awsome, I just wish it was more functional than the current setup. O'well at least it's not like the Mustang's with fake scoops everywhere.

[DeViL]

Would shut the fuck up I wasn't even referring to you I was talking to LT1-Z