Junkies 97 RS Rebuild(1st timer!)

Ok, well since its destroyed, would now be a good time to switch to one of those bomz lightweight pulleys I see advertised? Or is that not a good thing to do? Bc I found a stocker on ebay, which is slightly more expensive than the lightweight one...

There is a good gain with the UDPs. I've had one for a long time. You will need new belts for the alt and ps/ac but no biggy. The UDPs take extra weight off the rotating mass, making it less work to spin everything. Generally see ~5hp gain from them. I would replace since you're in there and need a new one anyways. I would also recommend a new crank bolt that hold the pulley on as well. Those are about $10

Ok, yeah I bought a new bolt on ebay bc I bent mine.

Is this what I would need?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=130365993900&viewitem=&sspagename=STRK%3AMEWAX%3AIT

Yes sir

Dave,
I tried heating it with a torch(forever) and wd40'd it pretty good, beat on it, pried it, beat on it some more, heated it some more, and it still will NOT come off. Like not even close, where its on the shaft it hasn't budged one little bit.

Is it ok to carefully use a grinder and cut it off in pieces?

Just had another friend come over with more tools, we tried putting pressure on it with the puller, heating it, and beating on it with a hammer, and prying, and hasn't budget one little bit.

Really need help, anybody on here anywhere near rocky mount NC lol

There's a ton of guys on dsmpurity that are from your general area if I recall.

I'd be cautious about cutting it off. You don't want to damage the crank. Not much more I can tell ya though. All the Crank Pulleys I've removed I've pryed them out.

I'm still trying to find the part number but you need a Chrysler 3-jaw pulley puller. Thinking that may be the only way to get it done.

Ok, will something like this look like it would fit?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Reversible-Gear-Puller-3-inch-3-Jaw-Internal-External_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQhashZitem335ac34d85QQit emZ220566080901QQptZMotorsQ5fAutomotiveQ5fTools

Do I put the crank pulley bolt in and screw it ina few threads and use that to rest the center bolt of the puller on?

And how on earth do I get the new pulley on?

The new one will damn near just slide right on. This one is giving you so much difficulty because its been on there so long and this crap happens.

That puller looks good. And you're correct on the center bolt deal.

New one will NOT slide right on. You can do a little bit of sanding and stuff to try to get the crank smooth before putting the new one on but will still need some muslce to get it on. Dave + mallet + wood 3x3 = smashy smashy

The bigger problem will be getting the crank sprocket on when you get there. Yet another fun moment of yelling, swearing, pounding, and beers (sounds kinky actually).

In class right now, but just picked up a 3 jaw puller from the store, gonna try that tonight, if that doesn't work i'm taking the f*cking thing to a machine shop lol

The cam sprockets have to come off the cams? I cant just take the cam and sprocket off together?

Oops my bad. I meant crank sprocket. (Fixed my post) Cam gears can stay on the cams.

Hope that works out for you.

That time I couldn't get my wifes pulley off, I beat it with mallet and it came right off. The new/used one popped right on. That was the first time I thought I fixed my wifes car.

Like a steel mallet? like hardcore beat the hell out of something mallet, or a rubber one...? I dont wanna damage the shaft its sitting on

In my case, a rubber mallet worked fine.

Talked to a pro around here, he told me to try freezing it with refrigerent, bc its worked for him in the past. I tried this, it still wouldnt come off. So im taking the whole block to his shop tom. or the next day so he can get it off. Ill update when something happens....=/

Hey, can i re use my piston rings? Or do I need to replace them? They are already aftermarkets, total seal rings

As long as they weren't leaking before, fried or scored you should be good. Just make sure the gaps are in the right spots.

Ok, thanks big guy

Still trying to get the pulley off. Will update when I do...:runaround:

I see you posted on purity, there's a lot of guys in your general area on there that may be able to lend a hand.

I dont wanna damage the shaft its sitting on

Ok, thanks big guy

That's what she said?

That's what she said?

^--lol awesome!

Damn! Around my house, my roomies thrive on setting each other up for she saids! Looks like it followed me online lol. Good one

:rofl:

Hey, just got my intercooler in and it didnt come with brackets or anything to moun tit with, but there are these little bolt holes in 4 different places on it. How is the best way to mount these things? Do I have to mod the bumper bar? Its 24x12x3 btw.

You have just been pulley on the pulley itself. Put the bolt back in and leave it a few threads loose and loosen the pulley a little at the time backing the bolts out to have more room to loosen. When I did this I cut small pieces of steel rod to put in the crank in front of the bolt and tightened up against those so I wouldn't be putting so much force on the threads themselves. All you need is to strip out the crank to.

Hey, just got my intercooler in and it didnt come with brackets or anything to moun tit with, but there are these little bolt holes in 4 different places on it. How is the best way to mount these things? Do I have to mod the bumper bar? Its 24x12x3 btw.

Went to Lowes and bought this 1.5" wide metal stripping with holes all predrilled out and cut to length. Attached the top 2 to where the hood latch/front support sits. Rounded the edges so you can't see from the top, and then used the right bolts to attach to the FMIC. Just bent them, and then the piping holds it from the side in place. Pretty solid.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1025091456Medium.jpg

Plus when I upgrade the FMIC, I can just bend the supports higher up and use the holes again, but higher up.

Ok, that looks simple enough. My intercooler is enormous though...lol. So, I need to remove that big bumper bar completely?

And do you remember where in lowes u found that piece of metal with the holes?

Silver, u mean u put the steel pieces into the bolt hole, and tightened the bolt against that? ill try it next time i work on it

Ok, that looks simple enough. My intercooler is enormous though...lol. So, I need to remove that big bumper bar completely?

And do you remember where in lowes u found that piece of metal with the holes?

Well again you can cut to whatever size you need. I think the strips were about 3 or 4 feet long. Just cut that to whatever size you need. The install is the same general idea though. I think this is the best way to do it though.

The bumper bar meaning the fiberglass crash support? I had to cut mine to actually fit, but everything (minus the front splash shield over the radiator) all went back in.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g291/david-b/Motor%20Build/1206091430Medium.jpg
(Ignore the crooked IC piping there)



At Lowes I believe it was right before the lumber section, like where the gutters and other metal things are. They have a little sheet metal section, little metal rods, and then these and solid braces. Price isn't too bad at all neither. Want to say they're like $5 a strip max.

Silver, u mean u put the steel pieces into the bolt hole, and tightened the bolt against that? ill try it next time i work on it

Yea thats right. I would make the pieces 1/4" or so and slowly remove the pulley.

Ok, ill buy some, but my intercooler is like...massive lol. I dont think theres room for it and that bumper crash bar. And I didnt know it was made out of fiberglass, the thing im talking about looks like its made out of some kind of durable metal...goes across the front like the white one in your pic, but mines black...can I live without it? or is it necessary to stay? I see how people have taken it off, and cut parts of the back of it off for intercoolers to fit in....but I havent looked at mnine yet to see if this would work with my setup.

jason, do you mean to say you made little 1/4'' pieces like...and just keep sticking them in one at a time? how on earth do you fish them out of the bolt hole, a telescoping magnet?

Man, if it wasn't 3 hours from Florence to here, id seriously pay you gas $ to come do it for me lol.

If this method you have described doesnt work im going to be taking it either down the rd to a guys house with air tools, or to the machine shop. Either way, this is extremely aggrivating.

The front supports come in black as well. Actually mines the only one I've seen that I can remember that's not black. I personally would not drive without it. That's your entire front crash support. God forbid you hit something without that on. I would cut it as little as possible to get the FMIC to fit in there. It's thick and durable so it can take some cutting. But dont entirely leave it off.

I hacked mine up a bit to fit my FMIC. Google this idea and see what others have done.

jason, do you mean to say you made little 1/4'' pieces like...and just keep sticking them in one at a time? how on earth do you fish them out of the bolt hole, a telescoping magnet?


Exactly, stack them and use a magnet to get them back out. I used an impact gun which probably made this a little easier for me.

An impact gun to turn the puller bolt?

It just makes it a lot less work, you could just use a wrench but it might be hard to turn. We held the puller with a wrench and used an impact to turn the bolt and it came right off after a few minutes.

well shit

:banghead:

I found the section in lowes with the metal rods and flat pieces of steel...got a pretty thick yet bendable 3 foot length of steel, and it looks liek its going to work pretty good...thanks dave

Also, i bought some steel rod...gonna try that on the pulley tonight after class....

I found the section in lowes with the metal rods and flat pieces of steel...got a pretty thick yet bendable 3 foot length of steel, and it looks liek its going to work pretty good...thanks dave

Also, i bought some steel rod...gonna try that on the pulley tonight after class....

If you wanted a steel rod, should have just had your mom call me. :biggrin:

Not a problem yo. You'll find other uses for that stuff too, if not on the car, around the house and stuff. Very universal.

Dammit. Ok you win this round...just bc i cant think of anything good to say back lol

But, now I just need to find the right size bolts and it should go in like cake. Im going to cut up the crash bar tonight and get that all squared away and ready.

just cut a section out of the crash bar, boy that was harder than id expected. That stuff is surprisingly difficult to cut into..

But it all fits so mission accomplished for today

Nice man, sounds like its coming together

What are you using to cut up the crash bar? I used a ricipricating saw. Went through 4 blades but only took about 40 minutes start to finish.

I used an angle grinder on mine. Completely grinded down the disc that I was using, but worked fine. Remember, that thing is too absorb the entire impact.. it better be heavy material.

When I was done, I was surprised I still could hear. Worked very well though. I was going to use an angle grinder but thought that I'd get more use out of the reciprocating saw in the future. Either way works. I suppose you can do it with a dremel but my god would that take awhile and you could go through so many discs.

Lol...yeah, i used the same, and it wore down the entire disc. And everything is just fine, got my pulley in today(btw how do you measure to see what size belt I need for that?) The only thing wrong at this point is the crank pulley still wont come off...

And im probably most terrified of putting the engine back in and getting everything hooked back up...

=0

I did an underdrive pulley on my wifes subby and I was able to reuse the same bolt, not sure if it's the same on the 420a. Probably best advice is to not rush it, take your time and do it right. You'll be a lot happier with the end result.

I used a saw to cut my bumper up. Took less than 10min if I remember right. It was just a little hand saw though

You're a maniac

Lol...yeah, i used the same, and it wore down the entire disc. And everything is just fine, got my pulley in today(btw how do you measure to see what size belt I need for that?) The only thing wrong at this point is the crank pulley still wont come off...

And im probably most terrified of putting the engine back in and getting everything hooked back up...

=0

He already has a new crank bolt I believe.
As for the pulley, once it's altogether, you can take a string and wrap it around all the pulleys like the belt would fit, then take that to AutoZone and match up belts to the same lengths. I may have the part numbers at home, but wouldn't hold my breath on that.

So, whats the status on the pulley? did you get it off?

Yeah ebay randomly had that bolt i needed, so i bought it, bc mines bent. i got it yesturday and it screwed into the crank pretty easily, so threads were damaged luckily.

And no, I still havent got it off...gonna try tonight...got the steel rod, gonna try that...

=/

Ok, so, when I use the air tool do i just need to torque the piss out of the socket ont he puller?

GOT IT OFF!

Used a borrowed impact wrench, stuck a piece of steel down the bolt hole, torqued it right off easily.....crankshaft undamaged.

:runaround:

I gotta show you pictures of this thing lol...

http://img181.imageshack.us/img181/2088/p1020021.jpg (http://img181.imageshack.us/i/p1020021.jpg/)
http://img94.imageshack.us/img94/4272/p1020022a.jpg (http://img94.imageshack.us/i/p1020022a.jpg/)

Question...does the new one just go on with no harmonic balancer? that wont damage the engine?

Also, i went to see what the new pulley would look like on the crank...and it just slid right on...i mean its snug but...should it jsut go on like that? i suppose the bolt will keep it snug...

The pulley should be fine with the bolt holding it on. I had to beat mine on but you still shouldn't have any issues with it. Dont worry about it not having a harmonic balance, it wont hurt anything.

Ok, awesome. As you can tell I did a number on that pulley lol..

Tear down continues tonight!

Ok, awesome. As you can tell I did a number on that pulley lol..

Tear down continues tonight!

Just make sure it's torque on there good. With my recent build, The bolt got a little loose and the belt was spinning, but just not enough. The power steering and alternator would cut out. Not fun when things start flashing saying low voltage and the PS cuts out mid turn.