Lets slay some ricers!

any muscle car enthusiasts have any good muscle car stories.(Changed so i dont offend any single person in the entire af.

Slay some ricers? Yet you have an EVO listed in the poll... Not that an Evo is a ricer.. far from it. Just thought that was pretty odd.


And your list of 'sports' cars is pretty limited...

nope , never had the extra time to waste . :iceslolan :grinno: :biggrin: :rofl: :biggrin: :evillol: :evillol:

whoops, pretend evo is rally cars, suv is other. Or u could just pretend the poll is not there. If i could delete it i would.

ugh.. another ingenious post paired with a poll that has so much relevance to the subject.........

I guss that all of the muscleheads are getting defensive after the Japs started to bring over their next genaration sports cars. The Evo rocks. 13.06 in the 1/4 faster than the GT500 faster than the superbird faster than the Boss 429, and it gets good fuel economy, and you can carry your friends along to watch you smoke those outdated lumps of iron. I guss that if I was brainwashed enough to believe in American iron I would be definsive too.

Jared 80, shut up, no one cares about the import vs. domestic crap. It's played out...

To the thread originator, why bring on a war? There are billions of other threads just like this on on AF, and again, it's played out...

Worst thread evar... :banghead:

I guss that all of the muscleheads are getting defensive after the Japs started to bring over their next genaration sports cars. The Evo rocks. 13.06 in the 1/4 faster than the GT500 faster than the superbird faster than the Boss 429, and it gets good fuel economy, and you can carry your friends along to watch you smoke those outdated lumps of iron. I guss that if I was brainwashed enough to believe in American iron I would be definsive too.


Wow congradulations they built a car 40 years newer that was faster! Hey let's start puttin those old cars on today's tires and see what they run for times. Or better yet let's see that lil Evo rock and roll agianst a 03 Cobra. I'm not defensive I think the evo is impressive but do you really think a 13.06 scares us?

Since he likes to compare old to new, how about comparing the Evo to a Yenko Camaro, one with a 427 that ran high 11's off the show room floor, and that was with the outdated rubber.

P.S. I'm waiting for the generalized "that's more displacement/if I had the same amount of money, I could be faster than that" b.s...

sorry i now think i should not have posted this, but i did so ya, i like alot of imports but a ricer can be a domestic also, im not bashing imports, u can rice focuses and neons. oh and maybe you should look at what car i have OH MY GOSH ITS A NISSAN!!!!! also whats your defination of muscle car? infiniti(an import) says the m45 is a muscle car. (http://www.infiniti.com/content/0,,cid-23797_sctid-12001,00.html look at what it says under neath the pic.)

No shit, evidently you've not been on forums very long, oh wait, you haven't, you're a noob...

Ever seen "l33t", or "w00t"? How about "n00b"? W3rd? Mad JDM y0? Same principle here, you just didn't pick up on it. :banghead:

Still stand by "Worst Thread Evar"...

Come back when you got something for me newbie...

sorry i now think i should not have posted this, but i did so ya, i like alot of imports but a ricer can be a domestic also, im not bashing imports, u can rice focuses and neons. .

first off i don't think this is a good tread but i don't think he was trying to bring up a war between imports and domestic. he said ricers doesn't mean imports so i don't think you guys should keep bashing him

first off i don't think this is a good tread but i don't think he was trying to bring up a war between imports and domestic. he said ricers doesn't mean imports so i don't think you guys should keep bashing him

His first post, the one that opened this thread, he stated the words "ricers and fart-can enthusiasts". This means import enthusiasts, separate from ricers, and including ricers. Therefore, he encompassed everyone owning a foreign-branded car into this thread. The fact that he backtracked on what he said in his first post in the proceeding posts means nothing afterwards. Both of my brothers drive a 99 Civic Si, and a 98 Prelude SH, and I used to own a 90 Integra, so don't think that I don't know the difference between a ricer and an import enthusiast. This is why the "bashing" has continued.

This thread should have been closed for bashing of people different from himself, regardless of the fact that the thread's in a pro-domestic forum, that being for Muscle Cars. If you don't have an open mind on AF to the others around you, you're inviting problems. You gotta respect all enthusiasts, we're all here for the cars...

I guss that all of the muscleheads are getting defensive after the Japs started to bring over their next genaration sports cars. The Evo rocks. 13.06 in the 1/4 faster than the GT500 faster than the superbird faster than the Boss 429, and it gets good fuel economy, and you can carry your friends along to watch you smoke those outdated lumps of iron. I guss that if I was brainwashed enough to believe in American iron I would be definsive too.


first off JARED the 3 MUSCLE cars you mentioned were not built for drag . they were built for road and circle track racing .
can the evo run a sustained speed of 200mph for 500 miles and stay on the track ?
no ? didnt think so ! the SUPERBIRD can !

if you want to talk factory built drag cars that laugh at the 13.06

YENKO camaro 427
330 426 MAX WEDGE
HEMI CUDA
WS 30 STAGE III 455 olds
just to name a few .

and second i live in AMERICA i belive in buying AMERICAN . and you cant beat AMERICAN IRON !!!!!!!!!!!!

sorry i now think i should not have posted this, but i did so ya, i like alot of imports but a ricer can be a domestic also, im not bashing imports, u can rice focuses and neons. oh and blkcamaross u dont spell it evar.


For somebody who uses terrible grammar like yourself Dork, I don't think you've got a leg to stand on when calling somebody out on their own grammar... when infact it was just a 'slang' term.

And this is a terrible thread, all of our favorite muscle cars of old were built 30-40 years ago. I would hope the cars of today would be able to keep up or beat them with all the technology they have now. I just like knowing that now days most people rely on some sort of power adder like Nitrous, Turbo, Supercharger to get the power needed to surpass the older muscle cars.

Sure makes me feel good knowing I've got my 425hp from just the motor itself... and as far as motor builds go. It's pretty mild, there's a lot more I could and probably will untap from it.

Wow congradulations they built a car 40 years newer that was faster! Hey let's start puttin those old cars on today's tires and see what they run for times. Or better yet let's see that lil Evo rock and roll agianst a 03 Cobra. I'm not defensive I think the evo is impressive but do you really think a 13.06 scares us?


Yes lets compare the Evo to the cobra. For only 5000 dollars more than the lancer you can get a gas chuging, poor handeling, overwight, unreliable, lump of iorn that has been using the same outdated frame since 1978, and what do you get in return an extra 0.15 second in the quateer mile. WAHOOO don't you feel dumb. that Lancer will still be racing long after your Stang is demoted to lawn furnature. By the way for that extra 5000 dollars you could easly turn that Lancer into an 11 second car, so stuf that up your muffler, if it has not already fallen off.
As far as the now tire argument goes the problem with the muscle car lies in the fact that their wheels were too slim, hence bad engineering. And I have seen muscle cars on modern rubber and they are still slow off the line. (bad weight distrabution) Granted the wheel width can be fixed but like any tuning that costs alot of money.

Since he likes to compare old to new, how about comparing the Evo to a Yenko Camaro, one with a 427 that ran high 11's off the show room floor, and that was with the outdated rubber.

P.S. I'm waiting for the generalized "that's more displacement/if I had the same amount of money, I could be faster than that" b.s...

That is not off the showroom floor that is out of the tuners garage. I will admit that i have seen some truly impressive American cars, but the fact remains that I have seen some imports that blow anything that we have ever made out of the water. Do you really think that high 11's is impressive for a high priced custom car?? Mercades has one that does the 9.0 seconds STOCK. Read Road and Track sometime. If you do not consider money a factor there are some imporst that would knock your socks off. I do consider money a factor (since I have a limited amount of it) so please tell me for 30k what American car can I get that is faster then the Evo? 0-60 in 4.5 seconds 1/4 mile in 13.06 200ft skidpad 0.97g 60-0 breaking 106ft 600ft slolom at 71mph (faster than the Viper)

[QUOTE=rav440]first off JARED the 3 MUSCLE cars you mentioned were not built for drag . they were built for road and circle track racing .
can the evo run a sustained speed of 200mph for 500 miles and stay on the track ?
no ? didnt think so ! the SUPERBIRD can !

The Lancer is not built as a dragster either it was built purely as a rally racer. That 200 mph was not the stock car that was a race car that most likly did not share half its parts with the original car, we bulid racecars and put a stock looking body on it so that we can call it "stock car racing". Get your facts streight before you debate with me.
Besides the stock Toyota GT1 can go 200mph for 24 hours, and that is a REAL stock car the only mods that it had was its stickers!

Whoopidy doo Evo-boy. Keep quoting your C&D numbers to me, magazine racing is for children. When you learn to spell (distribution, straight, Mercedes, imports, handling, iron, furniture, stuff), which will add to your credibility, I'll care...

There are many mustangs and Camaros that are still owning the streets, regardless of how old they are. The ones being used as lawn furniture were not taken care of like a car should. Your arguement that since it's domestic, it's unreliable is unfounded. Lets see your Evo in anywhere from 10-35 years, and see what problems it's seen in that amount of time. Saying that it's reliable when it's been out only a short while is down right retarded.

BTW, I got my Camaro for 26k, and in the right hands, it'll own your Evo. I've done about 1k worth of mods to it, so I still got three to go to get to $30k. We'll see then how well 13.06 stands up considering my quarter mile time is a year and a half old. 13.06 was in the right hands with that Evo. The F-bodies in the right hands have run high 12's stock.

As for that Mercedes, of which no specific car was mentioned, for the price of that car I could probably have a Z06 and several gorgeous F-bodies from any of the 4 generations, not worth it.

And you're wrong. A 427 Yenko is what you could buy straight from Yenko Chevrolet, right off the showroom floor. Same with the Berger, Dickey, Baldwin Motion Camaros as well. They all have VIN's that identify them as such.

Whoopidy doo Evo-boy. Keep quoting your C&D numbers to me, magazine racing is for children. When you learn to spell (distribution, straight, Mercedes, imports, handling, iron, furniture, stuff), which will add to your credibility, I'll care...

There are many mustangs and Camaros that are still owning the streets, regardless of how old they are. The ones being used as lawn furniture were not taken care of like a car should. Your arguement that since it's domestic, it's unreliable is unfounded. Lets see your Evo in anywhere from 10-35 years, and see what problems it's seen in that amount of time. Saying that it's reliable when it's been out only a short while is down right retarded.

BTW, I got my Camaro for 26k, and in the right hands, it'll own your Evo. I've done about 1k worth of mods to it, so I still got three to go to get to $30k. We'll see then how well 13.06 stands up considering my quarter mile time is a year and a half old. 13.06 was in the right hands with that Evo. The F-bodies in the right hands have run high 12's stock.

As for that Mercedes, of which no specific car was mentioned, for the price of that car I could probably have a Z06 and several gorgeous F-bodies from any of the 4 generations, not worth it.

And you're wrong. A 427 Yenko is what you could buy straight from Yenko Chevrolet, right off the showroom floor. Same with the Berger, Dickey, Baldwin Motion Camaros as well. They all have VIN's that identify them as such.



You really don't know much do you? The Lancer has been out for 11 years and the are holding up very well. If you paid attentin to what has been going on in the automotive world you would know that. Yes I do think that most American cars are unreliable just read JD Power and chack the mechanical reliability for yourself. Did you get your car used because I know that new Camaros cost over 30k (with a V8) if you did get a new one for that price you got one heck of a deal. By the way if you think that we Americans have built a better sports car for the money name me one that can beat the Evo in at leased half of the proformance catagories that I mentioned for under 30k. I bet that you cannot. Don't argue with me based on your ideas give me facts and numbers because thay are not subject to your bias oppion, that would make your argument creditable. Don't mind my spelling I write in a hurry because I have other things to do.

Besides the stock Toyota GT1 can go 200mph for 24 hours, and that is a REAL stock car the only mods that it had was its stickers!
You know, I have only once in my life seen a le mans prototype/GT1 beside the track, by chance it was a toyota GT1, it was in paris in the main dealership from toyota. As a show car. There are people that could buy one and call it a stock car if you would like, the way Joest bought porsche prototypes to race in le mans.
There is one in recent history however that could do what you claim, the Mclaren F1, but i doubt those where pure stock cars they used in le mans.
For that matter, in that level of competition there isn't a single car i would call a "stock" car.
The EVO they use in the WRC won't share that much parts with the showroom EVO, there wouldn't be much of a crisis here in the belgian rally championchip if that where true.

I see, I'm biased because I drive an SS? Hmm, I think not. My first car was a 90 Integra GS, my brothers own a 99 Civic Si and a 98 Prelude SH, and my mom drives a G35 Sedan. You can't make a case that I don't know what I'm talking about...

Base Price for a Z28 in 2002: $22,830
Hp/weight ratio: 1hp to 11.09 lbs
310.0 bhp @ 5200 rpm
340.0 ft lbs @ 4000 rpm
EPA City/Hwy: 19/28 mpg
0-60 mph: 5.1 sec
0-100 mph: 11.8 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.5 sec @ 107 mph
Skidpad: .87g
Top Speed: 160 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 120 ft
Slalom Speed: 63.0 mph

With seven grand to spare, the choice is simple...

As for your child-like comments about me knowing nothing about the automotive world, thanks for quoting history to me. I didn't realize that since there was an Evo "VIII" that that would mean that there were seven others before it. The Evo VIII is what you spoke of in all of those categories, and no it hasn't been out for eleven years. It's not had any time to prove how reliable it is, especially when it's run hard.

As for your child-like comments about me knowing nothing about the automotive world, thanks for quoting history to me. I didn't realize that since there was an Evo "VIII" that that would mean that there were seven others before it. The Evo VIII is what you spoke of in all of those categories, and no it hasn't been out for eleven years. It's not had any time to prove how reliable it is, especially when it's run hard.[/QUOTE]

The Evolution 8 has the same engine (the awsome 4g-63) and same driveline setup as it did in 1992, and it is very well proven. Just ask any street or rally racer who has been to Japan, or England. Unlike our circle track racing in rally racing they use the cars original platform (with safty mods) and they still have to be street legal, they even have to drive their race cars to the next event to qualify. The Lancer has won the WRC several times, how can you call that unproven? If your SS is that much better go race it in the WRC and see how well you do aginst the "ricers". Really try it, they hold WRC events in America now, I would bet anything that you could not beat any real cars no matter how many mods you put on your car. As far as those numbers you quoted on the Camaro those are not impressive at all! .87g the Ford Focus does that! That slolom speed is not even close to what a proformance car should do, I think that Mazdas new economy car can do that. Face it all that the Camaro can do right is drive in a stright line, and even then it loses to the Evo. I am not sure that you are right about the base price of the Z28 I think that you are quoting the 6 cylinders price because I priced one on the MSRP and a 2003 V8 was over 30k without options. Besides if the Camaro was such a great car why did they quit building it? Because they knew that they could not compete with the new cars coming from Japan.

You know, I have only once in my life seen a le mans prototype/GT1 beside the track, by chance it was a toyota GT1, it was in paris in the main dealership from toyota. As a show car. There are people that could buy one and call it a stock car if you would like, the way Joest bought porsche prototypes to race in le mans.
There is one in recent history however that could do what you claim, the Mclaren F1, but i doubt those where pure stock cars they used in le mans.
For that matter, in that level of competition there isn't a single car i would call a "stock" car.
The EVO they use in the WRC won't share that much parts with the showroom EVO, there wouldn't be much of a crisis here in the belgian rally championchip if that where true.


The GT1 has the same wight same hp and same engine block same aerodynamics and the same frame as its racing brother. it is for all practical purposes the same car. (other than the tires) And yes the Evos that they race are much more stock than our "stock car racing" they have to be built on the same unibody and have to be street legal, emmissions, lights, noise levels, everything. The only reason that I brought up the GT1 is because the muscleheads were quoting numbers on factory modified cars saying that money was not an issue. So what is the problem with using a million dollar car for their compareison?

You should stop quoting that 1/4 mile number as gospel for a Evo VIII. The average joe will not attain that number, just as I haven't attained a sub 12 second quarter mile with my car. All things considered, like I said previously, a high 12 quarter mile beats the number you quoted for the Evo, therefore it is not better in that category. Look here:

http://www.engine-power.com/mitsubishi/lancer_evolution_viii.html

Your numbers quoted for the quarter time are more than 4 tenths faster. The stats for a Z28 are equal to or better than the Evo VIII, and that doesn't include a fully optioned SS with the Bilstein suspension.

As for the comments about those daily-driven WRC cars, can you imagine how many times those engines have been rebuilt, and what the budgets of those teams are??? Certainly not anything close to a normal human being's budget. Hardly anything to be impressed about. The reason I couldn't beat the other drivers, regardless of manufacturer, is due to backing that they have, and I would not, not to the cars themselves.

When did I use the word ricer? There's huge differences between import enthusiasts and ricers. Using this word in any context generally denotes the trendiness of the times, and the age of the individual.

It's impossible for you to have priced a 2003 Camaro, since there are none that exist. Production finished August 29th, 2002, for all Camaros and Firebirds due to the fact that they did not meet 2004 crash safety standards. It had absolutely nothing to do with the cars coming from Japan. You've just demonstrated your lack of automotive knowledge.

Here's a page that gives a breakdown of the prices of the Camaro lineup:

http://www.123review.com/reviews/chevrolet/02_chevrolet_camaro_summary_specs.html

It shows the price of a base model Z28 Coupe, very close to the number I quoted you before. You can find one vastly under that now. Still the best overall performance buy you can get.

WRC cars have to be road legal for connection stages over public roads, if they are however te same car, lets see you make some jumps at race speed. And same noise level? There is someone around here driving an R22B, its loud, but not WRC loud.
American definition of "stock" car is just, hmm, lets call it weird, 2 years ago there was a championchip next to ETCC that i would consider stock car racing, the gearshift was louder then the engine :screwy:.
And for the GT1, if it ever was for sale (never knew that), its more the other way around, it's a race car without the stickers, it was developed for lemans (unlike the Mclaren F1).
Wasn't a yenko much more affordable then the GT1, Mclaren or any supercar of today?

Right now you could find one for about $35K in good condition. Back in the day, they sold for just under $4k. That was alot of money then, but for that, you got 11's from the factory. Look below...

http://www.fast-autos.net/chevrolet/chevroletyenkocamaro.html

Just fights...
Everybody has their own opinion on different cars, if one type of car was the best one, everybody would have it, why are there so many different kinds of cars, because there are different types and likes....
American Cars have awesome models, just like japanese and european

:iagree:

Your numbers quoted for the quarter time are more than 4 tenths faster. The stats for a Z28 are equal to or better than the Evo VIII, and that doesn't include a fully optioned SS with the Bilstein suspension.

As for the comments about those daily-driven WRC cars, can you imagine how many times those engines have been rebuilt, and what the budgets of those teams are???

When did I use the word ricer? There's huge differences between import enthusiasts and ricers. Using this word in any context generally denotes the trendiness of the times, and the age of the individual.

It's impossible for you to have priced a 2003 Camaro, since there are none that exist. Production finished August 29th, 2002, for all Camaros and Firebirds due to the fact that they did not meet 2004 crash safety standards. It had absolutely nothing to do with the cars coming from Japan. You've just demonstrated your lack of automotive knowledge.


First off there is a 2003 Camaro look it up yourself. (www.edmunds.com) They always build the next year model at the end of that year. Every real enthusiast knows that. Secondly you assumption that those WRC cars bolw alot of engines is wrong I have yet to see a single blow without an crash being involved. Don't beleve me look it up for yourself, before you assume anything. I will admit that I was wrong on one thing though I looked up the base price for the Z28 and it is in the high 22k range, but that does not include any go fast goodies like a limited slip or TCS, that is all extra. But you are right for the exrta 6 grand (not 7) that that you would save you could easly get a Camaro to completly smoke an American spec Lancer (Though the Jap-spec Evolution RS might still beat it) But you would still have to consider the loss of mechanical reliability that tuning an already somewhat unreliable car would bring about.

Bullshit, there is no 2003 Camaro or Firebird, write Chevrolet, ask any true car enthusiast. There is no 2003 Camaro on that link you posted. Again, I posted the date that the plant in Quebec closed. They were not made, period. What little respect I had for you just got annihilated. You just proved you know absolutely dick about american cars. Please leave this forum before you make yourself look even more stupid. I will not argue with you further about your precious Evo. You deserve no respect.

I know my original post got people mad and offended, so i changed it but you 2 just keep fighting, LEAVE JARED THIS IS A MUSCLE CAR THREAD!!!!!!! why would there be so many comaros and mustangs out there if they sucked? Plz, reread the new first post and if u have something good to say, say it. oh why is a rally car lover looking in the muscle car section when he hates them? to start a fight? my first post might have started some of this, im sorry, so i changed it, also why if u HATE this thread and it the "Worst thread evar..." why do u respond? just a question. sorry that u think that, but thanks for your pro muscle car comments, since this is a MUSCLE CAR section of af. thanks comaro for ending this because a moderator would have to close it, well that might not be a bad thing.

Bullshit, there is no 2003 Camaro or Firebird, write Chevrolet, ask any true car enthusiast. There is no 2003 Camaro on that link you posted. Again, I posted the date that the plant in Quebec closed. They were not made, period. What little respect I had for you just got annihilated. You just proved you know absolutely dick about american cars. Please leave this forum before you make yourself look even more stupid. I will not argue with you further about your precious Evo. You deserve no respect.

well said BlkCamaroSS :) :)


:loser: :screwy: :evillol:

Ok, my favourite 'sports' car is a 1970 Plymouth Superbird with a 426 Hemi, ideally in black on black.

Bullshit, there is no 2003 Camaro or Firebird, write Chevrolet, ask any true car enthusiast. There is no 2003 Camaro on that link you posted. Again, I posted the date that the plant in Quebec closed. They were not made, period. What little respect I had for you just got annihilated. You just proved you know absolutely dick about american cars. Please leave this forum before you make yourself look even more stupid. I will not argue with you further about your precious Evo. You deserve no respect.




Look here stupid if there is not a 2003 Camaro then why does conversionxtras.com sell parts for them???? You really are an idiot if an import fan has to teach you about your own car. Try actualy reading about somthing before you go arguing about it on the web. You say that you have lost all respect for me. Good I would not want respect from you anyway. Who looks stupid now???

PS rav440 you are just as stupid as he is. No I take that back you are dumber because this had nothing to do with you.

I know my original post got people mad and offended, so i changed it but you 2 just keep fighting, LEAVE JARED THIS IS A MUSCLE CAR THREAD!!!!!!! why would there be so many comaros and mustangs out there if they sucked? Plz, reread the new first post and if u have something good to say, say it. oh why is a rally car lover looking in the muscle car section when he hates them? to start a fight? my first post might have started some of this, im sorry, so i changed it, also why if u HATE this thread and it the "Worst thread evar..." why do u respond? just a question. sorry that u think that, but thanks for your pro muscle car comments, since this is a MUSCLE CAR section of af. thanks comaro for ending this because a moderator would have to close it, well that might not be a bad thing.



All I wanted was to give my oppion and Motor Trends latest numbers, then I was going to leave, but some idiot had to tell me that I did not know what I was talking about. I don't hate muscle cars I personaly like Camaros and Mustangs (though I think that the Evo is an overall better proformance car) but this no longer has anything to do with that, sombody called me out and I am going to destroy any reputation that he ever had as an automotive expert. I actualy came here initialy to learn some more about older proformance cars but all that I found was uneducated oppion and "ricer bashing" having owned two imports and owing my life to the good engineering of one of them (55mph head on collision, I walked out with one small scrach on my pinky) I was not going to let that nonsence go unchalanged. I hope that you can understand why I continue to respond, sorry if it messes up your thread.

So the Evo will beat muscle cars before or after the tranny blows up in it??????? :loser:

p.s. There are no 2003 F bodies ..discontinued after 2Q 02

Wow, sweet,it ended now, thanks both of u for saying that ull end it, sorry again if anyone was offended by me, (sorry for "yelling") wondering what is all of your defenitions of 'muscle car' could the new gto be one or do they have to be of a certain age? some say they have to be 60 to 70s models, or had a model bak then. could the infiniti m45 be a muscle car?
and also from somewhere else on these forums i found that some one(forgot name) says that IF IT LOOKS GOOD IT IS NOT RICE, thats kind of my def. about rice, i dont think that the evo is rice.

I am no muscle car fanatic but I think that the muscle cars died after 1975, I think that that was the year they started enforcing the emmisions laws. Just look at how much power droped between 1972 and 1975. It reached it's low in 1982 (from what I have heard) the 1982 Mustang GT made only 128hp on the dyno.

You believe everything that you read then do you? Sounds like the people at conversionxtras.com are just as retarded as you, because there never was, there isn't, and there never will be a 2003 Camaro/Firebird. They may come back in the future, but absolutely no sooner than 2005. STFU n00b. Quit making yourself look stupid, don't make me post this thread elsewhere so that I make your stupidity more public than it already is...

You believe everything that you read then do you? Sounds like the people at conversionxtras.com are just as retarded as you, because there never was, there isn't, and there never will be a 2003 Camaro/Firebird. They may come back in the future, but absolutely no sooner than 2005. STFU n00b. Quit making yourself look stupid, don't make me post this thread elsewhere so that I make your stupidity more public than it already is...



That is really funny that they would get that mixed up. Guss what so did every Camaro parts site that I could find!! They all listed their Camaros all the way up to 2003, are all of them wrong?? If you don't beleve me look for yourself. They all list 2003!!! Oh yea and as far as that date that they quit production that does not mean anything, my car was made in Nov 1986 but it is a 1987 model car. Most cars are that way. Let me say this again WHO LOOKS STUPID NOW? Oh yea and those numbers that I posted on the Lancer come out of Motor Trend, not some retards web page. So 13.06 stands. But I did make one mistake it's 0-60 is 4.3 seconds not 4.5. That is faster than the Z06.

August 28, 2002: 3:46 PM EDT By Meghan Collins, CNN/Money Staff Writer

NEW YORK (CNN/Money) - If car lovers feel a tinge of nostalgia at the thought of the end of Chevy's Camaro line, not to worry -- it's not over quite yet.

Enthusiasts still have a chance to grab the last one off the line -- for a possibly hefty price -- during an auction by Kruse International, the eBay Inc. company that specializes in collector-car auctions, on Sunday, Sept. 1.

The car to be auctioned this weekend is a 2003 Camaro Z28 coupe with automatic transmission, 5.7 liter V8 engine and a full package of amenities including leather seats, a 12-disc CD changer, fog lamps, an alarm with shock sensor, and a Monsoon sound system. The base model has a starting price of $23,430.

But this car likely will go for between $40,000 and $50,000, and could pull in a hefty $100,000, depending on the devotion level of the bidders, according to Dean Kruse, director of global marketing for Kruse International and the Camaro's auctioneer.





I just thought that you would like to see for yourself :lol: :lol: :lol: I guess that the people at Chevy thought that there was a 2003 Camaro too!! (www.cnyfirebird.com/showNews.asp?ID=25) You really are stupid!

:grinno: :evillol: :lol: :lol: :rofl: :lol2: :iceslolan :grinno: :evillol: :biggrin: :iceslolan :icon16: :nutkick: :evillol: :rofl: :grinyes: :lol: :biggrin2: Just wanted to let you know that the whole world is still laughing at your stupidity.
You too Josh and rav.

So what now are you going to argue with GM and CNN News. I bet you would.


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Let me say this this one last time WHO LOOKS STUPID NOW?!?!

He who laughs last laughs best. :evillol:

Look at the top of your link retard. What does it say??? 1967 to 2002. What else do you need to prove it to you that the last production year was a 2002?

If you read the entire link, you'd also see that they refer to the car again as a 2002 Z28, hence what you're referring to is a typo. I say again, shut the fuck up. You know nothing of cars, quit quoting bullshit off of the internet that's untrue...

Since you are that dumb I figure that the only way that you will ever accept that there is a 2003 Camaro is if you buy one. (www.rampchevy.com/deal-camaro.htm) No that is not a miss print, order it yourself. Look at the VIN and that will be your proof. :screwy:

:grinno: :iceslolan :rofl: :lol: :evillol: :iceslolan :grinno: :biggrin: :lol2: :rofl: :lol: :cwm27: :icon16: We are still laughing at your stupidity.




:swear: =you (potty mouth)

Oh and you never answerd my question if there are no 2003s then why do ALL of the online parts stores sell parts for them????? :loser: If you would at leased come up with some theory to explein that than I might not see you as such an idiot. :evillol:

If you read the entire link, you'd also see that they refer to the car again as a 2002 Z28, hence what you're referring to is a typo. I say again, shut the fuck up. You know nothing of cars, quit quoting bullshit off of the internet that's untrue...

OK Mr know it all do you really think that I know nothing of cars?? I may not have as much collage as you, but I know more about automotive design (suspention, aerodynamics, drivetrain, fuel injection/mixtures, alternative fuels, detonation resistence, chasse rigidity, advanced materials) than anyone that i have ever met including engineers. So don't tell me that I don't know anything about cars! :nono:

http://www.pontiac.com/firebird/gallery_popup.jsp?brand=firebird&pagename=heritage_cars&imageNumber=7

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupe/dayfire/index.html



read, them.

Since u guys are going all out in this argument i have an idea, why dont u write to chevy or pontiac and ask them, i would do it but im to lazy.

If you could spell suspension, I'd believe you about your car knowledge.

I burned your link at the top of this page in my PM to you, I'll repost it here if needed. Learn to add.

Thank you for the links Namless Dork, saves me from finding more of them. In the first link right above this post, it specifically states " the final 2002 Collector's Edition ", if that doesn't give a hint, I don't know what does.

In the second link, I again see "Exclusive: 2002 Pontiac Firebird Trans Am Pacing the 2002 Daytona 500 with Jay Leno". Again, no mention of a 2003. I know Scott Settlemire from SLP's former board, the former Camaro Brand manager. His boardname was Fbodfather. He's the one that told the SLP faithful of the date the last F-bodies would roll off the line, a red Camaro and a red Firebird. He, as well as anyone else worth a damn, knows that 2002 was the last year for the Camaro. Besides, the next model's year's cars aren't generally for sale until about September of the prior year, meaning August 28th came about in 2002, there were no 2003's. If you need me to break down the VIN #'s for you, I'll do that too...

As for your comment about every site, no they don't. Every site that is worth a damn knows that the cars they're selling for were stop being built in 2002. If they're parts that were manufactured in 2003, and they're being sold as such, fine, but they're not going on a 2003 car. If they gave a damn about anything other than making money, maybe they'd have it right too. You've yet to show me a plausible link that I haven't burned. Next...

Show me a picture of this famed 2003 Camaro...

As for evidence that further proves my point, go to tirerack.com. Under Shop for tires, enter Chevrolet and 2003. Then, on the next page, show me under that list where a Camaro is, cause I can't seem to find it.

Still waiting for these fabled pages showing 2003 parts and Camaros. Let's go technically-minded auto-enthusiast Jared...

http://clubs.hemmings.com/clubsites/chevylist/tech/vin/decode_modern_vin.htm

If you can read through that and under stand it, prove to me that a car came off the line with a "3" in the 10th digit...

Edit: Here's a sample VIN with some of the Camaro information already spelled out for you:http://www.autohopper.com/resources/articles/vehicle_identification_numbers.asp

Now show me that "3"...

Here check this once in a while. http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=157016


No answers yet.

That is really funny that they would get that mixed up. Guss what so did every Camaro parts site that I could find!! They all listed their Camaros all the way up to 2003, are all of them wrong?? If you don't beleve me look for yourself. They all list 2003!!! Oh yea and as far as that date that they quit production that does not mean anything, my car was made in Nov 1986 but it is a 1987 model car. Most cars are that way. Let me say this again WHO LOOKS STUPID NOW? Oh yea and those numbers that I posted on the Lancer come out of Motor Trend, not some retards web page. So 13.06 stands. But I did make one mistake it's 0-60 is 4.3 seconds not 4.5. That is faster than the Z06.

Listen dumbass, you think i dont know..i work at a pontiac dealership...i did detail cars last year, now i work in service. All F body cars were discontinued in the 2nd Quarter of 2002(that's spring) Go to a Chevy dealership and ask before you make a complete ass of yourself. The T56 is one of the toughest tranny's you can get on a stock LS1 so go fuck yourself.. Problems arise on those P.O.S Evo's when they get brought into a Mitsu dealership with 500 miles and the Clutch disk and pressure plate are shattered on them..That's horrible, the only time i've EVER seen a Trans Am or a Camaro in the shop is for basic maintenance

I am tired of playing website tag with you the FACT still remains that the Evo smokes any SS ever made and no misprint, or playing with words can change that fact. And since the Camaro is DEAD (unfortunetly) that will never change. Is there a 2003 Camaro I don't really care if not great, if so the Evo will still leave it in the dust on ever track in every test, do I think that the Camaro was a great car for the money? Yes. Do I think that it could ever match the Evo in head to head racing or street proformance? Not a chance. Prove me wrong. Just go ahead and try. You are fighting a war with no ammo, you have nothing on the Evo not skidpad not 1/4 mile not slolom not brakeing not even close, not even with the SS which costs more than the Evo. Go ahead try playing website tag with that, I will just keep quoting the real sources, like Motor Trend, and Road and Track. Don't cry for an extra aprox 18,000 dollars you can get a z06, it is a fair match for the Evo (faster in the 1/4 but slower in the slolom and 0-60), but you loose the back seat. So go ahead and argue with me some more I love making you look stupid. (it is not hard) Even if America made a buget supercar today they still could not compare to the Jap-spec Lancer RS which is cheaper, lighter (by aprox 400lbs), and more powerful than the US Lancer. Yea you keep trying to bash imports in your little world, but I live in the real world.

Hooray for Japan.

Point still remains that there is no 2003 Camaro, you're just not admitting that publically. Even if there was a Camaro marketed as a 2003 in other countries, I guarantee you it still has an 02 Vin number.

As for your numbers on the Evo, I still challenge those numbers, because all you've done is pull numbers from your ass, and I've quoted numbers off the internet, since we're magazine/internet racers. Stock an Evo will not pull 13.0's, and I know that an 02 SS can, cause I've seen them at Heartland Park in Topeka, KS, as well as heard of many others on the SLP board.

Your world is not real, it's a petty made up place in the void between your ears. Come race me anytime, I'll bring my friends too. We'll make an evening of it. I'm gonna rev on any Evo I see in the future, just to prove you wrong. I'll let you know the results...

Keep crying your 02 SS did 13.5 in the 1/4 acording to Motor Trend, and even if there was any driver error involved it would not make up for a whole half second. Where is your creditable source?? You don't have one do you. As far as my sources go they are the most well respected in the automotive world, they did not come out of my ass. I have never seen a stock SS do a 12 second 1/4 or even a 13 flat. (maby on aftermarket tires but not stock) Keep quoting your oppinion and I will keep quoting fact. Face it you loose in every catagory. If I were you I would wait untill Detroit built something better before I would argue for American Muscle over Japanese technology. Oh and as far as my spelling goes, give it up. You would not spell so great either if you were raised in a country where people did not even speak English.
PS they are saying that the new STI is going to be even faster than the Lancer. If so than it will be the worlds first true 4 cylinder corvette killer.

well the STI is already faster than the evo(has 300hp compared to 271 (i think) hp of the evo) we keep changing topics, i thought we were on is there a 2003 firebird/comaro, are we on who will smoke who? ok ok evo has 4 wheal drive, but the comaro got alot of hp i think it would be a tie, hahah tip:always take the middle way. I love most cars, but just love the sound of v-8 no matter waht country it comes from.now for whos whoopen who here are some cars that can whoop butt.


evo:271hp?
strenghts:awd 5 speed
weaknesses:turbo lag(c/d) 5 speed

comaro:325hp?
strenghts:alot of hp.6 speed manual.
weaknesses:not as pretty as the firebird.(in my humble oppinion that no one cares about.)

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=19&article_id=4186&page_number=2




MITSUBISHI LANCER EVOLUTION
Vehicle type: front-engine, 4-wheel-drive, 5-passenger, 4-door sedan
Estimated base price: $29,500
Engine type: turbocharged and intercooled DOHC 16-valve 4-in-line, iron block and aluminum head, Mitsubishi engine-control system with port fuel injection
Displacement: 122 cu in, 1997cc
Power (SAE net): 271 bhp @ 6500 rpm
Torque (SAE net): 273 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Transmission: 5-speed manual
Wheelbase: 103.3 in
Length: 178.5 in
Width: 69.7 in
Height: 57.1 in
Curb weight 3250 lb
C/D-estimated performance:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 14.4 sec
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.2 sec @ 98 mph
Top speed (redline limited): 155 mph
Projected fuel economy:
EPA city driving 18 mpg
EPA highway driving 26 mpg


What's new? Nothing. Familiar shape, familiar concept -- potent V-8 up front, live axle at the rear -- and after 35 years, it should be familiar.

Like the Mustang, the Camaro is the antithesis of the kind of finesse represented by the Eclipse, except more so. There's nothing subtle here: Stab the throttle and hang on. Our Z28 was far and away the fleetest of these fair-weather specialists, hitting 60 mph in a brisk 5.2 seconds and 100 mph in 12.3, and covering the quarter-mile in 13.8 seconds at 104 mph. Top speed was 158 mph.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=3480&page_number=5


Pontiac GTO
1 2 3 4

(continued)

C/D TEST RESULTS

ACCELERATION (Seconds)
Zero to 30 mph: 2.0
40 mph: 2.8
50 mph: 4.2
60 mph: 5.3
70 mph: 7.1
80 mph: 8.8
90 mph: 10.8
100 mph: 13.4
110 mph: 16.0
120 mph: 19.1
130 mph: 23.4
140 mph: 28.9
Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.8
Top-gear acceleration, 30-50 mph: 10.2
50-70 mph: 10.4
Standing 1/4-mile: 14.0 sec @ 102 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 158 mph

BRAKING
70-0 mph @ impending lockup: 185 ft

HANDLING
Roadholding, 300-ft-dia skidpad: 0.88 g
Understeer: minimal moderate excessive

ESTIMATED FUEL ECONOMY
EPA city driving: 16 mpg
EPA highway driving: 28 mpg
C/D-observed: 22 mpg

INTERIOR SOUND LEVEL
Idle: 54 dBA
Full-throttle acceleration: 79 dBA
70-mph cruising: 71 dBA


STI

With a curb weight identical to the Mitsubishi's (3260 pounds), an axle ratio only slightly less aggressive, and a positive-shifting six-speed manual transmission, the Subaru's extra juice makes it the drag-strip king. One word of warning to those who might try to duplicate our acceleration numbers: Don't. These are not drag racers, and what a stopwatch considers a good start a dealership service department considers a lucrative one. But there it is: a sprint of 4.6 to 60 mph, 0.4-second faster than the Mitsubishi and a figure that's going to be hard to achieve in any car near the STi's $31,520 base price. Our 5-to-60-mph street-start sprint of 5.8 is a more realistic, less-abusive gauge of real-world acceleration. It's all accompanied by a tough-sounding midrange trill of an exhaust note.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=6640&page_number=2





Mustang cobra

COUNTERPOINT

I adore Ford's SOHC and DOHC modular V-8s—velvety idle, quick to rev, as useful in Uncle Vern's Crown Vic as in a Mustang Cobra. This blown twin-cam variant builds revs so explosively in first and second gears that you have to estimate when to shift. Still, vehicular violence doesn't wow me anymore, which makes we wish Ford had opted for the 415-hp naturally aspirated V-8 fitted to the Mustang FR500 (C/D, February 2000). That V-8 was even more tractable, with subtler throttle tip-in. Plus, it didn't whine and rattle like my Remington electric chain saw. What's more, the FR500's five-inch wheelbase extension delivered a better ride, better weight distribution, and surer tracking. I want my FR500.
—John Phillips
John Coletti stands to be keelhauled by the 300 Cobra R owners he bamboozled out of $55,675 last year. Even as they drove off in the only Mustangs then capable of reeling in a Corvette, a new Cobra was on the drawing board that supplies sub-13-second quarter-miles to every flapping jaw and for 20 grand less. Like the Cobra R, this new Cobra has a dull interior that looks as though it had been dipped in body primer, and it feels a generation behind its time with every pa-whunk! the body makes over a freeze joint. But Coletti has an out: The Cobra R's 5.4-liter V-8 roared like Parnelli's '65 Galaxie, while this new supercharged V-8 sounds like a floor polisher. No question that's worth some bucks.
—Aaron Robinson

The obvious point here is the engine, and blender whine aside, it's a gem. But the chassis was what really blew me away. Considering the age of this Fox platform, the SVT bunch did an incredible job. Every Mustang I've ever driven plows like a John Deere, but this one feels more inclined to do a four-wheel drift. I usually do four test laps on the skidpad. In this car I did 12; I couldn't help it. It'll turn tail-out, tail-in, or anything in between. You ever watch those lurid car slides in the movie Ronin? Here's your car to practice in. And don't be afraid it'll beat you up on the highway—it won't. If Ford ever gives these guys a modern platform, watch out.
—Larry Webster


http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=39&article_id=1881&page_number=3


The Verdict

Highs: Instant throttle response, tons of torque, well-sorted handling.

Lows: Supercharger whine, usual Mustang ergonomics, fuel consumption.

The Verdict: A ton of fun, and the best Mustang Cobra ever.



http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=4346&page_number=1 2 Japanese and 1 American car(s)

Hooray for Japan.

Point still remains that there is no 2003 Camaro, you're just not admitting that publically. Even if there was a Camaro marketed as a 2003 in other countries, I guarantee you it still has an 02 Vin number.

As for your numbers on the Evo, I still challenge those numbers, because all you've done is pull numbers from your ass, and I've quoted numbers off the internet, since we're magazine/internet racers. Stock an Evo will not pull 13.0's, and I know that an 02 SS can, cause I've seen them at Heartland Park in Topeka, KS, as well as heard of many others on the SLP board.

Your world is not real, it's a petty made up place in the void between your ears. Come race me anytime, I'll bring my friends too. We'll make an evening of it. I'm gonna rev on any Evo I see in the future, just to prove you wrong. I'll let you know the results...


02 SS according to c/d does not quite make it(1/4 mile) in 13sec more like 13.8 but, its true about the evo, (according to c/d again) more like 14. but comapared to my Maxima, thats awsome lol. dudes with mods both cars are gunna whoop @$$ they already do.