Lets slay some ricers!

Whats my post got to do with waht u said? and does anyone know how to answer a question these days!!!!!!

I'll answer your question.
There is NO such thing as muscle cars anymore. No matter how much HP. There can never be muscle cars again, it will never be the same. If you have ever ridden/drivin a true muscle car, then drove a new camaro/mustang or whatever there is no comparison. And NO 4 banger should be considered a muscle car ever! That is just rediculous. I don't care if it has 600 HP in street trim, it's not a muscle car.
Muscle cars died in the early 70's, and they cannot be remade. The only thing left is to restore them.

The L-88 Corvette ran low 12's in the quarter mile, will your evo run 180 mph all day long like the Vette does in the road circuit, races like the Lamans where in has to keep up, why isen't it there, possibly because it can't keep up, that would be Corvettes and Ferraris that win that race usually. Lets not mention other races like the Indy 500, you don't see your beloved evo there either do you, so tell me other then ralley, where is your junk yard wonder, and as to the BMW M3, I've never been really sold on those things, I used to repair them for a living. I think BMW is just a little over bragged.

Heres a list of things to race you evo against.
#1 ZL1 Camaro 11.30 ET .97G on the slid pad.
#2 ZL1 Corvette 11.25 ET .97G On the skid pad.
#3 GTO Judge 12.50 ET N/A
#4 Buick GS Stage III 12.35 ET
#5 Z06 Vette 12.30 ET.




mitsubishi puts one car in the lemans races it uses its 3000gt. so whats ya point not it cant do 180 all day long but it will do 140 all day long how much can you expect from 278 hp. oh but this car with only 278 hp can and has ran 13.5 in the 1/4

Also, the only reason that muscle cars get such bad 1/4 mile times is because there is no possible to get traction off the line, and also 100 FT down the track for that matter. You can only give about 1/4 throttle until you are going atleast 30 MPH or else it will break loose and start spinning.

Don't forget the Hemi cuda, which was rated at 425 HP but actually had 500 to the wheels!


how is this a good excuss how bout doing something bout traction. yea i know racing slick....... the beauty of all wheel drive.

It's not all about speed, it's power, it's the sound of a 1969 Camaro rumbeling down the road on a hot summer day. It's looking out the front window of your car and seeing a big 8-71 GM supercharger hanging out the hood, it's knowing that you can't be beat, even if you can. It's feeling like a god when your behind the wheel of your American muscle car, it's the rumpety rump rump of a high performance cam barly ideling @ 2500 RPM. It's lifting the fornt wheels off the gruond when you leave the line, it's scoring a 9.50 in the quarter mile, it's the smell of nitro methane burning in your tank. And this is all without N2O, or NOS


hmmm nitro methane its still not pump gas.... and still whats the point of all that power if ya arnt going anywhere. but then again we can never get away from "to each his own"

The L-88 Corvette ran low 12's in the quarter mile, will your evo run 180 mph all day long like the Vette does in the road circuit, races like the Lamans where in has to keep up, why isen't it there, possibly because it can't keep up, that would be Corvettes and Ferraris that win that race usually. Lets not mention other races like the Indy 500, you don't see your beloved evo there either do you, so tell me other then ralley, where is your junk yard wonder, and as to the BMW M3, I've never been really sold on those things, I used to repair them for a living. I think BMW is just a little over bragged.

Heres a list of things to race you evo against.
#1 ZL1 Camaro 11.30 ET .97G on the slid pad.
#2 ZL1 Corvette 11.25 ET .97G On the skid pad.
#3 GTO Judge 12.50 ET N/A
#4 Buick GS Stage III 12.35 ET
#5 Z06 Vette 12.30 ET.



the evo runs mid 13s and the sti can run low 13s oh we a decently close with so less power. see my point is not who will win my point is japs put so much less power in there cars and they come close to a lot and can beat a lot. motortrend june 2003 the evo laid down a 13.08 and the ford mustand svt cobra laid down a 13.01 wow thats close. the even ran the 600 ft slalom better then a vette z06, a viper rt-10, a ferrari and better then a lambo. top speed of the evo is 156 and the svt cobra 159, wow thats close.

how is this a good excuss how bout doing something bout traction. yea i know racing slick....... the beauty of all wheel drive.

See any AWD top fuel dragster's lately?

AWD is worthless once you get into REAL HP levels, the front tires lift off the ground.

I'll answer your question.
There is NO such thing as muscle cars anymore. No matter how much HP. There can never be muscle cars again, it will never be the same. If you have ever ridden/drivin a true muscle car, then drove a new camaro/mustang or whatever there is no comparison. And NO 4 banger should be considered a muscle car ever! That is just rediculous. I don't care if it has 600 HP in street trim, it's not a muscle car.
Muscle cars died in the early 70's, and they cannot be remade. The only thing left is to restore them.

He speaks the truth

You obvously know and study what your talking about, the real muscle cars are a thing of the past, never to be reborn again. This is a very sad thing that it's gotting this bad, but with political and the leagal system it can never happen again, it's been blamed on a lot of different things, but the truth of the matter is the old days have just gone by.

mitsubishi puts one car in the lemans races it uses its 3000gt. so whats ya point not it cant do 180 all day long but it will do 140 all day long how much can you expect from 278 hp. oh but this car with only 278 hp can and has ran 13.5 in the 1/4

I won't bash the 3000 GT

That in opinion is the closest that the Japanese have come to creating a real sports/muscle type car, and I was speaking of the EVO.

hmmm nitro methane its still not pump gas.... and still whats the point of all that power if ya arnt going anywhere. but then again we can never get away from "to each his own"

No it's not

But I diden't say I ran a street car on nitro methane either, and the point of having all the power is basically just the right of any muscle car owner to modify his car to any extent he desires, and have a lot of fun out doing the next guy, it's mostly about having fun with your car. Obvously you've never looked under the hood of a car and just had to know the the owner has done to the engine and chassis of the car to make it do that.

AWD is worthless once you get into REAL HP levels, the front tires lift off the ground.
Not to mention

If you've ever owned a 4x4 with any real power, when you get all four tires spining and burning rubber the car will pull hard to the right, much the same as a full posi rear end always pulled to the right, and a single tracker went straight.

OK lets get one thing streight, you are comparing a purpose built dragster aginst a high proformance street car. Even at that for the price of a ZL-1 Camaro you could put a WRX or an Evo into the low 11s or high 10s on streetable tires. I am not a muscle car basher like some "ricers" but I do give credit where credit is due, the Evo rocks. And consider more than just the 1/4 mile look at breaking 60-0 in 106ft! That is faster than the 360 Modena! Cornering at .97G that is a match for most supercars! 600ft slolom at over 71.6mph, that is the fastest production car that the world has ever seen! 0-30mph in .7 seconds! I don't care how you look at it that is one amazing car and you will not find a musclecar that will match it in overall proformance except for maby the new Viper (only a few even consider that a musclecar) I am not dissing anybody but you would have to be blind not to call that impressive for the amount that it costs.
It may look like a rose

Your beloved EVO may look like a rose, but it smells like a turd. When it's had the time to prove it's self against all the good old American muscle then you can come back, and if I'm still alive we can talk. But at this time being the armchair drag racer that you are does not make you an expert on American muscle, so learn about it before you spout it. Nobody believes a word you say, because you have no real passion for the car, it all come straight out a magazine, grow some balls boy.

AWD is worthless once you get into REAL HP levels, the front tires lift off the ground.

You set up your suspension correctly you don't have any trouble with that. Mine stay on the ground fine. And it goes straight.

OK I finaly got your link to work (it took a few tries) I hate to rain on your parade but they built so few of those things that I would hardly consider them a production car. Lets try to find a muscle car that is mass produced that can take an Evo or an STi. But I would still like to see a lagit source for the 11 second times, because that would be truly impressive.
That has no bearing

The Yenko camaro was a production car, you could buy one off the showroom floor. The fact that thay diden't build millions of them doesn't matter, the factory will do test runs of different things all the time. This doesn't mean that it's not a production car, it was produced by the factory, for sale to the public. That would make it a production car.

OK I finaly got your link to work (it took a few tries) I hate to rain on your parade but they built so few of those things that I would hardly consider them a production car. Lets try to find a muscle car that is mass produced that can take an Evo or an STi. But I would still like to see a lagit source for the 11 second times, because that would be truly impressive.
I don't know what legit means but.

http://www.cccvette.com/1969musclecars.htm

http://www.camaros.org/copo.shtml


If you actually read some of this stuff, you could be just a bit more informed on these cars.

Fortunately for Fred, all 50 of his cars were approved for production. But unlike the Nova, other Chevy dealers were watching and wanted a piece of the action. One of those dealers was Berger Chevrolet out of Grand Rapids, MI. In the end, 69 of the ZL1 Camaro's were built, with 50 going to Fred Gibb and one going to Berger Chevrolet - the #3 car. Others found a home in other dealerships like Yenko Chevrolet. Ironically, the car was a sales dud. Originally targeted at $4,900 for the sticker price, Chevrolet was determined to charge for actual production costs. In this case, the "high performance" option chosen by Gibb added a whopping $4160 to the sticker and brought the total to some $7300. This was more expensive than even the 1969 Corvette and was equivalent to paying $50,000 for a Camaro in today's dollars. Oh, and these cars ran an 11.64 @ 122 MPH

What are you talking about? The 60s muscle cars were very slow off the line in stock form. Not even the GT500 could smoke the US Evo much less the J-spec RS. Look it up for yourself, don't just jump into an argument without knowing what you are talking about. Quit quoting estamated proformance specs and look at the real numbers. The SS looses any way you look at it.
Prove it jackass

I've shown you time and time again, but it would seem that you being the armchair drag racer that you are can prove everything ever written to be wrong. I couldn't care less about your J-Spec EVO four door family turd. I and quite a few other people on here seem to have the facts about the Anerican muscle cars, those same facts seem to elude you even when there in your face, unless of course you can't read. In whitch case I'm sorry for you, go back to school, and don't skip all your classes this time. We're talking about 60's performance beating you EVO, and it does do it. But since my balls have droped and I'm no longer a little sniveling brat who can't admit things even when the facts are right in my face I do know this to be true.

the evo runs mid 13s and the sti can run low 13s oh we a decently close with so less power. see my point is not who will win my point is japs put so much less power in there cars and they come close to a lot and can beat a lot. motortrend june 2003 the evo laid down a 13.08 and the ford mustand svt cobra laid down a 13.01 wow thats close. the even ran the 600 ft slalom better then a vette z06, a viper rt-10, a ferrari and better then a lambo. top speed of the evo is 156 and the svt cobra 159, wow thats close.
Yuo can spout this stupidity all day long.

All I ask is proof, none of you EVO fans have put up yet.

just stop this gay fucking argument, and i have not had the pleasure to drive or ride in a old 60's or 70's muscle car, but muscle is power so any powerfull car could be a muscle car, and muscle car does NOT mean american, if you were to say American Muscle, then of course it would be. Thats probibly why on the speed channel the show is called American Muscle Car not Muscle Car.

Even after 30 years advancement in technology it take gobs of boost to be able to beat SOME muscle cars. How about, lets boost some muscle cars! Even 8 PSI is going to make some muscle cars break into the 9's. The EVO is already boosting 17, and the STI is something over 20.

BTW, I do like 4-bangers. I own one. I just hate people that think their 4-banger is better than muscle cars. And it sends chills through my spine when Hot Rod Magazine called the STI a ''Modern Musclecar''. Morons. It's like they forgot the good old days, when there was gobs of torque at 2000 RPM instead of 8000 RPM chain-saw 4-bangers.

just stop this gay fucking argument, and i have not had the pleasure to drive or ride in a old 60's or 70's muscle car, but muscle is power so any powerfull car could be a muscle car, and muscle car does NOT mean american, if you were to say American Muscle, then of course it would be. Thats probibly why on the speed channel the show is called American Muscle Car not Muscle Car.

Tell me a muscle car of the 60's that wasn't American.

Tell me a muscle car of the 60's that wasn't American.


your the biggest dumbass ever, i was was talking about modern cars suck as the vette, cobra, or viper. So just shut up. i never said that.

your the biggest dumbass ever, i was was talking about modern cars suck as the vette, cobra, or viper. So just shut up. i never said that.

Hmm, all the cars you named are American. LOL
And like I said before there is NO modern muscle cars. No such thing.

I guss that all of the muscleheads are getting defensive after the Japs started to bring over their next genaration sports cars. The Evo rocks. 13.06 in the 1/4 faster than the GT500 faster than the superbird faster than the Boss 429, and it gets good fuel economy, and you can carry your friends along to watch you smoke those outdated lumps of iron. I guss that if I was brainwashed enough to believe in American iron I would be definsive too.
A comparison

This is you beloved EVO specs QM based on the car weighing 2560 #

Horsepower Results - 1/4 Mile Method
Your EVO weighs about 2560 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 13.4 seconds. That means that you've got about 210.29 HP at the wheels, and about 273.37 HP at the flywheel.

This would be a 1969 Camaro based on it weighing 3450 #

Horsepower Results - 1/4 Mile Method
Your Camaro weighs about 3450 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 13.4 seconds. That means that you've got about 283.40 HP at the wheels, and about 368.41 HP at the flywheel.

with the Camaro we would have to make 95.04 More hp at the fly wheel to get the same result, and 73.11 more hp at the wheels to get the same result. But it's easy to wring another 100 hp out of all those cubes.

errrrrrrrrr! ok, i dont know where you said that i said there were non-American muscle cars in the 60's.

Hmm, all the cars you named are American. LOL
And like I said before there is NO modern muscle cars. No such thing.


ok your entitle to your own opinion, i asked for it, but you told me and can now shut up.

NO modern muscle cars=what you think
There are modern muscle cars=what i think now we can stop arguing and agree to disagree

your the biggest dumbass ever, i was was talking about modern cars suck as the vette, cobra, or viper. So just shut up. i never said that.
Not any

No such a thing, no point to try.

ok your entitle to your own opinion, i asked for it, but you told me and can now shut up.

NO modern muscle cars=what you think
There are modern muscle cars=what i think now we can stop arguing and agree to disagree


here i added to it. try what?

just stop this gay fucking argument, and i have not had the pleasure to drive or ride in a old 60's or 70's muscle car, but muscle is power so any powerfull car could be a muscle car, and muscle car does NOT mean american, if you were to say American Muscle, then of course it would be. Thats probibly why on the speed channel the show is called American Muscle Car not Muscle Car.
Only Americans built muscle cars
:2cents:
This is why thay call them American muscle cars, nobody ever said that just any knind of car with a little power could be a muscle cars. It's a lot of different things that make it a muscle car, the first and foremost, it's built in America, it sounds like satan himself when it pulls up, you can hear it coming for blocks away, and it doedn't sound like a beefed up lawn moer. A muscle car makes you fell like nobody can touch you when your behind the wheel, you don't just hang that name on any car that you desire to. :banghead:

:2cents:
This is why thay call them American muscle cars, nobody ever said that just any knind of car with a little power could be a muscle cars. It's a lot of different things that make it a muscle car, the first and foremost, it's built in America, it sounds like satan himself when it pulls up, you can hear it coming for blocks away, and it doedn't sound like a beefed up lawn moer. A muscle car makes you fell like nobody can touch you when your behind the wheel, you don't just hang that name on any car that you desire to. :banghead:


remember the agree to disagree? come on and shut up! dude, :banghead: you are so annoying. ok U SAID YOUR OPINION SHUT UP!!!!!!!!!!

Well what i dont get is all the muscle cars are V6,V8 and also rear wheel drive and all the little ricers are v4 and front wheel drive and they still keep up with ur v8 with the 7.0L. Oh and the 30,000 u would spend on a camaro i would put that money in to a f----- civic and it will smoke the shit out of ur camaro. OH the thing u were all talking about having these new cars running nos and turbos they have crx's running i belive low 10s all motor and its a front wheel drive.
Now the fast and the furious evo was built for a show car not a drag car.
It has a full sound system and all the little shit that u wouldnt need for a drag car. and it is not tuned for the 1/4.
Obvously you don't know

When was the last 4 popper off the showroom floor that you seen pull 1/4 in the 11's huh.

"These are great forums and I enjoy the hell out of coming here, but people do have different opinions and that a good thing LOL."

heres what i heard u say dcatkin, its funny cause if this is what u believe then why do u argue? and not shut up after you clearly stated your opinion.

"These are great forums and I enjoy the hell out of coming here, but people do have different opinions and that a good thing LOL."

heres what i heard u say dcatkin, its funny cause if this is what u believe then why do u argue? and not shut up after you clearly stated your opinion.

and im tired of your import vs. domestic crap

When was the last 4 popper off the showroom floor that you seen pull 1/4 in the 11's huh.


i agree wiht u but come on! im tired of ppl bringing up stuff like this from ppl who STOPPED arguing

I'm done, unless someone else starts something.

I'm done, unless someone else starts something.
I will join that

A good argument can be a lot of fun lol.

A good argument can be a lot of fun lol.

well, when you are in it its annoying cause u cant shut up

well, when you are in it its annoying cause u cant shut up

ok, im done

ok, im done


jk..........jk about u being annoying, sort of

See any AWD top fuel dragster's lately?


most top fuel dragsters are american of course you dont. i see awd cars running 6s and 7s though

All I ask is proof, none of you EVO fans have put up yet.


MOTORTREND JUNE 2003. do you want the page number too?

Even after 30 years advancement in technology it take gobs of boost to be able to beat SOME muscle <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>s. How about, lets boost some muscle cars! Even 8 PSI is going to make some muscle cars break into the 9's. The EVO is already boosting 17, and the STI is something over 20.

BTW, I do like 4-bangers. I own one. I just hate people that think their 4-banger is better than muscle cars. And it sends chills through my spine when Hot Rod Magazine called the STI a ''Modern Musclecar''. Morons. It's like they forgot the good old days, when there was gobs of torque at 2000 RPM instead of 8000 RPM chain-saw 4-bangers.


if you were invovled in the import world then you would know there is all motor front drive 4 banger civics running 10s

This is you beloved EVO specs QM based on the <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>; weighing 2560 #

Horsepower Results - 1/4 Mile Method
Your EVO weighs about 2560 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 13.4 seconds. That means that you've got about 210.29 HP at the wheels, and about 273.37 HP at the flywheel.

This would be a 1969 Camaro based on it weighing 3450 #

Horsepower Results - 1/4 Mile Method
Your Camaro weighs about 3450 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 13.4 seconds. That means that you've got about 283.40 HP at the wheels, and about 368.41 HP at the flywheel.

with the Camaro we would have to make 95.04 More hp at the fly wheel to get the same result, and 73.11 more hp at the wheels to get the same result. But it's easy to wring another 100 hp out of all those cubes.


hey im only going by an american ma. company read it youll see. it ran in the 13.0 to 13.1 range.

if you were invovled in the import world then you would know there is all motor front drive 4 banger civics running 10s
Does it us nitrous?
Plus it is so stripped down, it only weighs 2000 pounds IF that. There is nothing left in it besides one seat and a roll cage. I'm talking about full street trim, full interior.

I'm not trying to jump on the side of the evo here i'm american loyal I promise. I've rode in an evo and it was pretty impressive, although it was one most uncomfortable car i've ever rode in. I still wouldn't compare it to any trans am I've ever rode in. It didn't really toss me into the back of the seat as hard as any f body. Plus its doesn't look half as cool as any f body. I also say someone say american cars are to ugly and round and imports look cooler. What the hell? Lets take the civic. Its a damn box with a few 45 and 90 degree angles. Thats just ugly. I can't tell the difference between most of the import cars because they all have the same boring shape. Back to the point the new evo is a good performing car but why get it? If you a rally car driver or a midget its a good idea but otherwise you can get the same performance but actually be comfortable in an American. Plus think if american car companies could put its race cars into production. Nascar monte carlo chevy 350 over 800hp will out handle your evo and it has a shit load of restrictions on it. I guess the point of my rant is why settle for a high performance go-cart when you can have a real car?

Let's not forget the Calloway Corvette, Nicky Camaro, Penske Camaro, COPO Camaro, I could go on all night, but I think I'll stop now, you just can't compare that crap to good old American muscle.

David C. Atkin

Editor

http://hp-car.com




Since we are on the topic of factory costom cars lets not forget the NISMO 400R,the 390 GT1,the Toyota GT1 or the countless other 400+hp jap factory costoms that would totaly smoke any of the cars that you mentioned on any track. Tell you what lets stick to production cars for the sake of fair arguement. But if you insist find me ONE street legal American car that could beat a Mazda 787B on a racetrack. Trust me you don't want me to go there so let's stick to production cars.

I'm not trying to jump on the side of the evo here i'm american loyal I promise. I've rode in an evo and it was pretty impressive, although it was one most uncomfortable car i've ever rode in. I still wouldn't compare it to any trans am I've ever rode in. It didn't really toss me into the back of the seat as hard as any f body. Plus its doesn't look half as cool as any f body. I also say someone say american cars are to ugly and round and imports look cooler. What the hell? Lets take the civic. Its a damn box with a few 45 and 90 degree angles. Thats just ugly. I can't tell the difference between most of the import cars because they all have the same boring shape. Back to the point the new evo is a good performing car but why get it? If you a rally car driver or a midget its a good idea but otherwise you can get the same performance but actually be comfortable in an American. Plus think if american car companies could put its race cars into production. Nascar monte carlo chevy 350 over 800hp will out handle your evo and it has a shit load of restrictions on it. I guess the point of my rant is why settle for a high performance go-cart when you can have a real car?



Wow a Nascar monte carlo can out handel a stock Evo :eek7: Well Duh! If you want to compare race cars compare Nascar to the GT1 class race cars in japan. I promise you the GT1s will win in any event. I don't mean to sound so overly critical but you guys need to put things into praspective here. You don't compare a top fuel to a roadracer or a rallycar to a Formula 1. Keep things in there place and then you can make a lagit argumant. Compare street car to street cars, and maby then you can make a good point.

Since we are on the topic of factory costom cars lets not forget the NISMO 400R,the 390 GT1,the Toyota GT1 or the countless other 400+hp jap factory costoms that would totaly smoke any of the cars that you mentioned on any track. Tell you what lets stick to production cars for the sake of fair arguement. But if you insist find me ONE street legal American car that could beat a Mazda 787B on a racetrack. Trust me you don't want me to go there so let's stick to production cars.

How fast is that Mazda 787B in the 1/4?

You don't compare a top fuel to a roadracer or a rallycar to a Formula 1.

I only said about the Top fuel thing because somebody said AWD was the best at the track. So I said how many AWD top fuel dragsters have you seen lately.

I've shown you time and time again, but it would seem that you being the armchair drag racer that you are can prove everything ever written to be wrong. I couldn't care less about your J-Spec EVO four door family turd. I and quite a few other people on here seem to have the facts about the Anerican muscle cars, those same facts seem to elude you even when there in your face, unless of course you can't read. In whitch case I'm sorry for you, go back to school, and don't skip all your classes this time. We're talking about 60's performance beating you EVO, and it does do it. But since my balls have droped and I'm no longer a little sniveling brat who can't admit things even when the facts are right in my face I do know this to be true.


Where is your stock (non-factory custom) 60s car that can take the Evo?? I have never seen one and yes I have looked, even though a few racers have quoted slightly higher 1/4 mile speeds these are not reliable sources, and even if that were the case you would still loose in the slolom, 0-60, 60-0, cornering Gs, and just about any other event, how do you call that better? Before you assume someone is stupid please do your homework and see if they have a point, you might be suprised.

How fast is that Mazda 787B in the 1/4?


I could not tell you for sure it is a track car not a dragster, but it would be safe to say that it would easly make low 10s (aprox 600hp and only weighing about 1800lbs) But I said "on the track" not the dragstrip. There is more to proformance than just the 1/4 mile.

I could not tell you for sure it is a track car not a dragster, but it would be safe to say that it would easly make low 10s (aprox 600hp and only weighing about 1800lbs) But I said "on the track" not the dragstrip. There is more to proformance than the 1/4 mile.

The S/S Hemi Barracuda weighs 3000 pounds and does mid-10's. It come from the factory with slicks, it just shows you how fast muscle cars really are if you can just get them to hook up. Oh yeah it's ''rated'' at 425 HP.
I agree there is more to performance than the 1/4 mile. But thats the only reason muscle cars were made for.

Here's a couple links backing up the mid 10's.

http://www.hemicuda.com/1968.php

http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm

As you can see by the second link the S/S cuda is faster than an Enzo Ferrari which has 660 HP.

Where is your stock (non-factory custom) 60s car that can take the Evo??

The EVO is a factory custom car!

The EVO is a factory custom car!



No it is not! It is not a custom version of the Lancer it is a full production car that has been in mass production for 11 years. Get your facts right before you make assumptions like that. They do make a facotry custom (400hp) version but it is not even avaliable in the states. Try again. Oh yea and I did not ask for mid 10s I said find me a street legal American car that can take the 787B on the track.

I'm tired of looking up crap right now. Bla bla bla, you are right and I am wrong. End of discussion.

I'm tired of looking up crap right now. Bla bla bla, you are right and I am wrong. End of discussion.


Wow that was the most mature and intelligent thing you have said thus far. :rofl: Keep it up and you will have me "converted" in no time.

Does it us nitrous?
Plus it is so stripped down, it only weighs 2000 pounds IF that. There is nothing left in it besides one seat and a roll cage. I'm talking about full street trim, full interior.


no nos 94 pump oct. and it had tags on it could be for show. dont know but i did see 2 front buckets and a rear bench. i donno

You don't have to stip much out of a civic to get it under 2000lbs, a stock CRX only weighed 2100lbs.

The S/S Hemi Barracuda weighs 3000 pounds and does mid-10's. It come from the factory with slicks, it just shows you how fast muscle <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>s really are if you can just get them to hook up. Oh yeah it's ''rated'' at 425 HP.
I agree there is more to performance than the 1/4 mile. But thats the only reason muscle cars were made for.


i can not speak for the 60s and i live here in baltimore md, and slick arnt street legal ok there is street slick but you didnt say street you said slick, and 600hp at 1800lbs with a serious driver im sure it can reach mid 9s. maybe lower but im being relistic.

You don't have to stip much out of a civic to get it under 2000lbs, a stock CRX only weighed 2100lbs.


so what are y :screwy: ou saying?