Lets slay some ricers!

so what are y :screwy: ou saying?

You and PWMAN were discussing the weight of a racing civic. I am just saying that you don't even have to strip everything out of a civic to get it below 2000lbs.

I'm not trying to jump on the side of the evo here i'm american loyal I promise. I've rode in an evo and it was pretty impressive, although it was one most uncomfortable <A TITLE="Click for more information about car" STYLE="text-decoration: none; border-bottom: medium solid green;" HREF="http://search.targetwords.com/u.search?x=5977|1||||cars|AA1VDw">car</A>; i've ever rode in. I still wouldn't compare it to any trans am I've ever rode in. It didn't really toss me into the back of the seat as hard as any f body. Plus its doesn't look half as cool as any f body. I also say someone say american cars are to ugly and round and imports look cooler. What the hell? Lets take the civic. Its a damn box with a few 45 and 90 degree angles. Thats just ugly. I can't tell the difference between most of the import cars because they all have the same boring shape. Back to the point the new evo is a good performing car but why get it? If you a rally car driver or a midget its a good idea but otherwise you can get the same performance but actually be comfortable in an American. Plus think if american car companies could put its race cars into production. Nascar monte carlo chevy 350 over 800hp will out handle your evo and it has a shit load of restrictions on it. I guess the point of my rant is why settle for a high performance go-cart when you can have a real car?



so the evo didnt put you back in ya seat, im sure the new gto will put you in ya seat more then the evo, gee but the evo out runs the new gto so whats ya point. you cant tell the difference between the imports cuz you dont car to learn. most old school muscle cars i cant tell the difference cuz i dont care to learn. and since you are talking bout ya nascar how bout a few jap lemans cars or even the r390 gt1 race car. go-cart. there is go carts that run 11s in the 1/4 and hit speed of 120 to 150. but who cares anyway. i love japanese cars and ill never change.

This whole thing has been what each person likes. Some like imports, other domestics. Bla, bla, bla, now lets stop arguing because all it is a matter of personal preference.

Yes which one you like is personal prefrence, but which one preforms better is NOT a matter of personal prefrence. That is whay I tend to side with the imports.

MOTORTREND JUNE 2003. do you want the page number too?
Heres you motor trend june 2003 specs

2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
Drivetrain layout Front engine, awd
Engine type Turbocharged I-4, cast-iron blk/alum head
Valve gear DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
Bore x stroke, in/mm 3.35x3.46/ 86.0x88.0
Displacement, ci/cc 122.0 / 1999
Compression ratio 8.8:1
Max horsepower @ rpm 271 @ 6500
Max torque @ rpm 273 @ 3500
Specific output, hp/liter 135.6
Power to weight, lb/hp 12.0
Redline, rpm 7000
Transmission 5-speed manual
Axle/final-drive ratios 4.53:1 / 3.26:1
Suspension, f;r MacPherson struts, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar
Brakes, f;r 12.7-in vented disc; 11.8-in vented disc, ABS
Wheels, f;r 17x8.0; 17x8.0, cast-spun aluminum
Tires, f;r 235/45ZR17; 235/45ZR17, Yokohama ADVAN A-046
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase, in 103.3
Track, f;r, in 59.6; 59.6
Length, in 178.5
Width, in 69.7
Height, in 57.1
Curb weight, lb; f/r % 3263; 60/40
Fuel capacity, gal 14.0
CONSUMER INFO
Base price $28,987
Price as tested $30,062
EPA mpg, city/hwy 18/26

Once again, woohoo truly imperssive, I see your intellect is showing through. For all that hoopla you really diden't prove a damn thing. This really is a load of shit,I said I woulden't start up unless somebody brought it on again. I do believe that this has happened.

Where is your stock (non-factory custom) 60s car that can take the Evo?? I have never seen one and yes I have looked, even though a few racers have quoted slightly higher 1/4 mile speeds these are not reliable sources, and even if that were the case you would still loose in the slolom, 0-60, 60-0, cornering Gs, and just about any other event, how do you call that better? Before you assume someone is stupid please do your homework and see if they have a point, you might be suprised.
HHHMM once again you start

Ok EVO-BOY, and I do mean boy. Did you acctually read any of the info that I gave you, or does it just pass in one eye and out the other, I've googled and read a bunch of info on your little rice waggon, and to this point I remain unimpressed. If this is intended to lean my favor to the garbage, I think your just a bit off, and it may be time for the rubber room. Obvously cannot read a damn word, A ZL1 is a factory car, and sold on the lots in 1969. You beloved J-spec EVO is also a factory custom. And it's curb weight is 3263 #, and this comes from motor trend. So keep arguing and I'll keep backing up American muscle. You say to each his own and then sprout this shit, just shut your pie hole.

Where is your stock (non-factory custom) 60s car that can take the Evo?? I have never seen one and yes I have looked, even though a few racers have quoted slightly higher 1/4 mile speeds these are not reliable sources, and even if that were the case you would still loose in the slolom, 0-60, 60-0, cornering Gs, and just about any other event, how do you call that better? Before you assume someone is stupid please do your homework and see if they have a point, you might be suprised.
HHHMM once again you start

Ok EVO-BOY, and I do mean boy. Did you acctually read any of the info that I gave you, or does it just pass in one eye and out the other, I've googled and read a bunch of info on your little rice waggon, and to this point I remain unimpressed. If this is intended to lean my favor to the garbage, I think your just a bit off, and it may be time for the rubber room. Obvously cannot read a damn word, A ZL1 is a factory car, and sold on the lots in 1969. You beloved J-spec EVO is also a factory custom. And it's curb weight is 3263 #, and this comes from motor trend. So keep arguing and I'll keep backing up American muscle. You say to each his own and then sprout this shit, just shut your pie hole. :loser:

The S/S Hemi Barracuda weighs 3000 pounds and does mid-10's. It come from the factory with slicks, it just shows you how fast muscle cars really are if you can just get them to hook up. Oh yeah it's ''rated'' at 425 HP.
I agree there is more to performance than the 1/4 mile. But thats the only reason muscle cars were made for.


sweet car.

Wow that was the most mature and intelligent thing you have said thus far. :rofl: Keep it up and you will have me "converted" in no time.


You can shut up to.

so the evo didnt put you back in ya seat, im sure the new gto will put you in ya seat more then the evo, gee but the evo out runs the new gto so whats ya point. you cant tell the difference between the imports cuz you dont car to learn. most old school muscle cars i cant tell the difference cuz i dont care to learn. and since you are talking bout ya nascar how bout a few jap lemans cars or even the r390 gt1 race car. go-cart. there is go carts that run 11s in the 1/4 and hit speed of 120 to 150. but who cares anyway. i love japanese cars and ill never change.

THE OLD ONE
would whoop ur ass.


THE NEW ONE
to me the gto is an import(made in australia) and its gay cause all they had to do to make it faster is put wider tires on the wheels, another reason why i dont like gm very much, but if i had the money id buy a gto and put bigger tires on it, and the gto was not made to compete with the evo it was made to get ppl into pontiac dealerships so lets leave it out of this.

This whole thing has been what each person likes. Some like imports, other domestics. Bla, bla, bla, now lets stop arguing because all it is a matter of personal preference.


thank u!

Yes which one you like is personal prefrence, but which one preforms better is NOT a matter of personal prefrence. That is whay I tend to side with the imports.


ok ok we dont care about your side anymore this is just getting annoying.

Wow that was the most mature and intelligent thing you have said thus far. :rofl: Keep it up and you will have me "converted" in no time.
First off

Nobody wants to convert you, and second, I tried to end this little bitchfest at the same time as PW. Stating that if nobody started up I woulden't either, and you jackass came looking directly for me. And I might add found me, I'm at the same point as PW, let's just agree to disagree and call it good. I've just about had it with looking up facts and spitting them out, cars are about having fun; not making everybody hate you.

ok ok we dont care about your side anymore this is just getting annoying.
Matter of opinion

Which one will out perform the is more or less a matter of opinion also, I say this due to the fact that you can go to site after site like I have in the past a few days, one site says one thing and another something else, on the same issue. A fact is something proven to be true, if you go from one site to another and thay say different things, is that a logic indicator that their could be some opinions possibly that seep through, and this is not the muscle car sites only or the import sites only. This is places like Motor Trend and Car & Driver's sites. Sites Like Hot Rod mags web site and Car Craft, you'll hear different things at different times on these sites, an indication of just a little opinionation huh.

i can not speak for the 60s and i live here in baltimore md, and slick arnt street legal ok there is street slick but you didnt say street you said slick, and 600hp at 1800lbs with a serious driver im sure it can reach mid 9s. maybe lower but im being relistic.
About 9.2

Horsepower Results - 1/4 Mile Method
Your 787B weighs about 1800 pounds and can complete a 1/4 mile in about 9.165 seconds. That means that you've got about 462.13 HP at the wheels, and about 600.77 HP at the flywheel.

2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
POWERTRAIN/CHASSIS
Drivetrain layout Front engine, awd
Engine type Turbocharged I-4, cast-iron blk/alum head
Valve gear DOHC, 4 valves/cyl
Bore x stroke, in/mm 3.35x3.46/ 86.0x88.0
Displacement, ci/cc 122.0 / 1999
Compression ratio 8.8:1
Max horsepower @ rpm 271 @ 6500
Max torque @ rpm 273 @ 3500
Specific output, hp/liter 135.6
Power to weight, lb/hp 12.0
Redline, rpm 7000
Transmission 5-speed manual
Axle/final-drive ratios 4.53:1 / 3.26:1
Suspension, f;r MacPherson struts, anti-roll bar; multilink, coil springs, anti-roll bar
Brakes, f;r 12.7-in vented disc; 11.8-in vented disc, ABS
Wheels, f;r 17x8.0; 17x8.0, cast-spun aluminum
Tires, f;r 235/45ZR17; 235/45ZR17, Yokohama ADVAN A-046
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase, in 103.3
Track, f;r, in 59.6; 59.6
Length, in 178.5
Width, in 69.7
Height, in 57.1
Curb weight, lb; f/r % 3263; 60/40
Fuel capacity, gal 14.0
CONSUMER INFO
Base price $28,987
Price as tested $30,062
EPA mpg, city/hwy 18/26

Once again, woohoo truly imperssive, I see your intellect is showing through. For all that hoopla you really diden't prove a damn thing. This really is a load of shit,I said I woulden't start up unless somebody brought it on again. I do believe that this has happened.


whatcha point?

THE OLD ONE
would whoop ur ass.


THE NEW ONE
to me the gto is an import(made in australia) and its gay cause all they had to do to make it faster is put wider tires on the wheels, another reason why i dont like gm very much, but if i had the money id buy a gto and put bigger tires on it, and the gto was not made to compete with the evo it was made to get ppl into pontiac dealerships so lets leave it out of this.


isnt the new gto fast then the old one. i mean sure motor trend could be very wrong but they say that the new gto is even fast then the old judge.

ok ok we dont care about your side anymore this is just getting annoying.

It is only annoying because you know that I am right. :sunglasse

Ok EVO-BOY, and I do mean boy. Did you acctually read any of the info that I gave you, or does it just pass in one eye and out the other, I've googled and read a bunch of info on your little rice waggon, and to this point I remain unimpressed. If this is intended to lean my favor to the garbage, I think your just a bit off, and it may be time for the rubber room. Obvously cannot read a damn word, A ZL1 is a factory car, and sold on the lots in 1969. You beloved J-spec EVO is also a factory custom. And it's curb weight is 3263 #, and this comes from motor trend. So keep arguing and I'll keep backing up American muscle. You say to each his own and then sprout this shit, just shut your pie hole. :loser:

:cwm27: :lol: :rofl: :evillol: :lol2: How dumb can you be?!? Do you know that only 69 1969 ZL1s were ever made! Look it up yourself! :grinno: :iceslolan :loser: That is a factory custom car stupid! While thousands of evos are made each year. (aka not factory custom) I think in America if you make more than 500 they are considerd a full production. Where is your defence now. Do you want to keep playing with words? I will shoot you down every time. GET A LIFE!

Plus you guys cannot compare speeds with drag slicks because they are NOT STREET LEGAL. We are talking about the fastest street cars remember.

Plus you guys cannot compare speeds with drag slicks because they are NOT STREET LEGAL. We are talking about the fastest street cars remember.
Listen sunney

I don't care that you think you can win me in an argument about American musce, and I don't care about your dearly beloved EVOVIII J-Spec, I have read about it on the net enough to make me puke. Besides son you diden't win the argument, and just don't know it. It's called sutbborun, your opinion is always right, I'm comparing your little rice waggon to a 30 year old American muscle car. Yes it's does beat your EVO, and so does an L-88 Corvette, and A GTO judge, and a Buick GSX. I've sent you to sight after site, and you don't read any of the shit. I know it may be just a bit to hard for you to comprehend, but I did read a bunch of crap about your EVO, but I did it on my own, you diden't put up one shred of proof, or send me to a single sight that had specs on you wonderful little EVO, I found them all on my own, so once again put up or shut up. Besides I said I'm done playing your little game, I will not put up any more proof, or respond to you. I'm done.

I don't care that you think you can win me in an argument about American musce, and I don't care about your dearly beloved EVOVIII J-Spec, I have read about it on the net enough to make me puke. Besides son you diden't win the argument, and just don't know it. It's called sutbborun, your opinion is always right, I'm comparing your little rice waggon to a 30 year old American muscle car. Yes it's does beat your EVO, and so does an L-88 Corvette, and A GTO judge, and a Buick GSX. I've sent you to sight after site, and you don't read any of the shit. I know it may be just a bit to hard for you to comprehend, but I did read a bunch of crap about your EVO, but I did it on my own, you diden't put up one shred of proof, or send me to a single sight that had specs on you wonderful little EVO, I found them all on my own, so once again put up or shut up.



I don't think that I can win an argument with you I KNOW that I can win an argument with you! :iceslolan Yes call me stubborn all you want we both know that I am right. Oh and your beloved L88 is also a factory custom 80 were made in 1968, and only 20 in 1967. And your GSX 1/4 mile is 14.4 www.fast-autos.net and the GTO Judge 1/4 is 13.9. Keep um coming I can do this all day! And just think that the evo is even beating muscle cars in there own turff, just put any muscle car in the evos turff (the slolom and cornering) and you loose every time. Don't quit yet I am loving this too much.

As far as my sources go just read any new MT and they will quote you the exact same numbers as I did. Put up or shut up yourself! :evillol:

I don't think that I can win an argument with you I KNOW that I can win an argument with you! :iceslolan Yes call me stubborn all you want we both know that I am right. Oh and your beloved L88 is also a factory custom 80 were made in 1968, and only 20 in 1967. And your GSX 1/4 mile is 14.4 www.fast-autos.net and the GTO Judge 1/4 is 13.9. Keep um coming I can do this all day! And just think that the evo is even beating muscle cars in there own turff, just put any muscle car in the evos turff (the slolom and cornering) and you loose every time. Don't quit yet I am loving this too much.
Jesus look

Look at your own list, where's your EVO. http://www.fast-autos.net/14mile.html

http://www.fast-autos.net/0to60.html

Here's the specs from your site, different from all the others again.

Price: $25,500
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 3087 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/AWD
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: Turbocharged Inline-4
Displacement: 1997 cc
Horsepower: 276 bhp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 283 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec
0-100 mph: 12.4 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.9 sec @ 106 mph
Skidpad: .95g
Top Speed: 144 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 123 ft
Slalom Speed: 65.8 mph

Corvette

And by BTW this is on street tires, with slicks it does 10.9.

Price: $8,700 (1969)
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 3091 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 4-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 6997 cc
Horsepower: 585 bhp @ 6600 rpm
Torque: --- lb-ft @ ---- rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.9 sec
0-100 mph: 9.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.1 sec @ 116 mph
Skidpad: .--g
Top Speed: est 200 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: --- ft
Slalom Speed: --.- mph

Yenko Camaro

Price: $3,895 (1969)
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: ---- lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 4-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 7000 cc
Horsepower: 425 bhp @ ---- rpm
Torque: --- lb-ft @ ---- rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.8 sec
0-100 mph: 8.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 11.94 sec @ 115 mph
Skidpad: .--g
Top Speed: --- mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: --- ft
Slalom Speed: --.- mph

1970 Chevelle SS A 4000 # Car

Price: $-,---
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: ---- lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 4-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: LS6 V8
Displacement: 7433 cc
Horsepower: 450 bhp @ 5600 rpm
Torque: 500 lb-ft @ 3600 rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 6.1 sec
0-100 mph: 13.5 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.7 sec @ 103 mph
Skidpad: .--g
Top Speed: --- mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: --- ft
Slalom Speed: --.- mph

1999 ZL1

Price: $---,---
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 3523 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 9504 cc
Horsepower: 770 bhp @ 6900 rpm
Torque: 683 lb-ft @ 5200 rpm
Redline: 7100 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.0 sec
0-100 mph: 6.8 sec
Quarter Mile: 9.55 sec @ 144 mph
Skidpad: .90g
Top Speed: --- mph
Braking, 0-60 mph: 127 ft
Slalom Speed: 66.3 mph

Look at your own list, where's your EVO. http://www.fast-autos.net/14mile.html

http://www.fast-autos.net/0to60.html

Here's the specs from your site, different from all the others again.

Price: $25,500
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 3087 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/AWD
Transmission: 5-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: Turbocharged Inline-4
Displacement: 1997 cc
Horsepower: 276 bhp @ 6500 rpm
Torque: 283 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.5 sec
0-100 mph: 12.4 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.9 sec @ 106 mph
Skidpad: .95g
Top Speed: 144 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 123 ft
Slalom Speed: 65.8 mph


I hate to break this to you but those look like the specs to the evo7 not the evo 8 but if you actualy knew what you were talking about you would know that. :rofl: :lol: :cwm27: :iceslolan :grinno: :loser: :icon16: The US evo8 weighs 3268 not 3087. Duh. Do your homework and then come back to argue. :sunglasse

I hate to break this to you but those look like the specs to the evo7 not the evo 8 but if you actualy knew what you were talking about you would know that. :rofl: :lol: :cwm27: :iceslolan :grinno: :loser: :icon16: The US evo8 weighs 3268 not 3087. Duh. Do your homework and then come back to argue. :sunglasse


Gee it says EVO VIII, I tend to think that means 8. OOOPs sorry that is the EVO VII, they don't show the specs from you little car.
2002 Z06 Vette

Price: $49,905
Miles Per Gallon: 19/28 mpg
Curb Weight: 3118 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 6-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 5665 cc
Horsepower: 405 bhp @ 6000 rpm
Torque: 400 lb-ft @ 4800 rpm
Redline: 6500 rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 4.0 sec
0-100 mph: 9.5 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.5 sec @ 115 mph
Skidpad: .99g
Top Speed: 171 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 104 ft
Slalom Speed: 70.3 mph

And by BTW this is on street tires, with slicks it does 10.9.

Price: $8,700 (1969)
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 3091 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 4-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 6997 cc
Horsepower: 585 bhp @ 6600 rpm
Torque: --- lb-ft @ ---- rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.9 sec
0-100 mph: 9.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.1 sec @ 116 mph
Skidpad: .--g
Top Speed: est 200 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: --- ft
Slalom Speed: --.- mph[/QUOTE]


Big whoopdedo, we are not counting factory costom cars because they are too rare and too expensive for the avrage person to afford. (FREE HINT if less than 500 a year were built they are factory custom) What part of that is hard for you to understand?

And by BTW this is on street tires, with slicks it does 10.9.

Price: $8,700 (1969)
Miles Per Gallon: --/-- mpg
Curb Weight: 3091 lbs
Layout: Front-Engine/RWD
Transmission: 4-Speed Manual
Engine
Type: V8
Displacement: 6997 cc
Horsepower: 585 bhp @ 6600 rpm
Torque: --- lb-ft @ ---- rpm
Redline: ---- rpm
Performance
0-60 mph: 3.9 sec
0-100 mph: 9.2 sec
Quarter Mile: 12.1 sec @ 116 mph
Skidpad: .--g
Top Speed: est 200 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: --- ft
Slalom Speed: --.- mph


Big whoopdedo, we are not counting factory costom cars because they are too rare and too expensive for the avrage person to afford. (FREE HINT if less than 500 a year were built they are factory custom) What part of that is hard for you to understand?

That doesn't matter, I'm proving a point and that point is that cars from the 60's beat your little rice waggon, and I did. :iceslolan

Uh what are you doing every one of theose cars is either much slower, or an extreamly expensive factory custom. What you cannot find a production muscle car that can take the evo? Please try again I am loving every second of this. :)

That doesn't matter, I'm proving a point and that point is that cars from the 60's beat your little rice waggon, and I did. :iceslolan


Wow the stupidity is incrediable. :screwy: Of course with an unlimited budget and drag slicks you can beat an afordiable reliable import in street trim. DUH :eek7: That is not the point. I am saying that the Evo is the better proforming street car, that is what I have been saying all along, what world do you live in?

As far as my sources go just read any new MT and they will quote you the exact same numbers as I did. Put up or shut up yourself! :evillol:
Like I said I'm sick of this.

I no longer wish to read about cars that I don't even like, the only reason I did read about it in the first place is because you asked. Now I really am sick and tired, no longer will I read about cars that I don't like, this is a muscle cars forum, and I don't even know what MT is, so I must not read it, but I am done, all the way done, kaput, finito, done.

It's been real and it's been fun, but it hasen't been real fun. I learned about your crap and you learned mine, I think, now I'm done.

Haray for stupid! :lol2: He proved that all it takes to beat a 28k dollar import is a massivaly expensive, custom, gas chuging, striped down hot rod, on drag slicks. :lol2: Good for you, now go take you meds and go to bed. Dang why does this feel like arguing with the specal olympics debate team? :rofl: :lol:

Wow the stupidity is incrediable. :screwy: Of course with an unlimited budget and drag slicks you can beat an afordiable reliable import in street trim. DUH :eek7: That is not the point. I am saying that the Evo is the better proforming street car, that is what I have been saying all along, what world do you live in?
The Z06 Vette

Is not a factory custom, they build new ones every year, and it does beat your EVO.

I no longer wish to read about cars that I don't even like, the only reason I did read about it in the first place is because you asked. Now I really am sick and tired, no longer will I read about cars that I don't like, this is a muscle cars forum, and I don't even know what MT is, so I must not read it, but I am done, all the way done, kaput, finito, done.

It's been real and it's been fun, but it hasen't been real fun. I learned about your crap and you learned mine, I think, now I'm done.


Oh don't leave yet I am just starting to have fun with you. Oh and I did not learn about your crap because unlike you I already knew about what my opponent had. :rofl: Go argue with the poser ricers they are easy to pick on. You are a shame to domestic fans everywhere, you should know you stuff better before you argue with a fanatic.

Haray for stupid! :lol2: He proved that all it takes to beat a 28k dollar import is a massivaly expensive, custom, gas chuging, striped down hot rod, on drag slicks. :lol2: Good for you, now go take you meds and go to bed. Dang why does this feel like arguing with the specal olympics debate team? :rofl: :lol:
And you would know

Being how this is your specialty, I bet you know the special olympics.

Is not a factory custom, they build new ones every year, and it does beat your EVO.


Even with the Z06 which is over 18,000 dollars more you loose in several key events like slolom and 0-60. Try again :smokin:

Being how this is your specialty, I bet you know the special olympics.


Oh great comeback, that is almost as witty an "go to hell" or "your mama" :rofl: :loser:

:cwm27: :lol: :rofl: :lol2: :loser: :biggrin: :iceslolan :grinno: :evillol: :icon16: :) :rofl: Are you starting to get the feeling that the whole world is laughing at you? They are!

:cwm27: :lol: :rofl: :lol2: :loser: :biggrin: :iceslolan :grinno: :evillol: :icon16: :) :rofl: Are you starting to get the feeling that the whole world is laughing at you? They are!
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I'm confused, where did it get it's ass kicked, except in price. And as I've said American muscle is not built to be an economy car. And maybe braking distance, BFD.

2003 Corvette Z06
Style Coupe
Engine 5.7 Liter LS6 350
Transmission Six Speed Manual
HP 405@6000
Torque 400@4800
Wheel Base 104"
Curb weight 3215 LBS
Slalom 70.3
BHP/Liter 71.5
0-60 4.3
0-100 9.9
70-0 134 FT
60-0 104 FT
ET [email protected]
Top Speed 171
Skid Pad 1.0G

EVOVIII 2004
Style Sedan
Engine 4G63 2.0 Liter 16 Valve DOHC
HP 271 BHP@6500 RPM
Torque 273@3500
Wheel Base 103.3
Weight 3262.8
Slalom 68.7
0-60 4.8


60-0 110 FT
ET [email protected]
Top Speed 157
Skid Pad 0.95G

Which one will out perform the is more or less a matter of opinion also, I say this due to the fact that you can go to site after site like I have in the past a few days, one site says one thing and another something else, on the same issue. A fact is something proven to be true, if you go from one site to another and thay say different things, is that a logic indicator that their could be some opinions possibly that seep through, and this is not the muscle car sites only or the import sites only. This is places like Motor Trend and Car & Driver's sites. Sites Like Hot Rod mags web site and Car Craft, you'll hear different things at different times on these sites, an indication of just a little opinionation huh.


some ppl=even if you have proof and they dont are still going to argue, they could be totally wrong. but its a 'matter of pride' to them, so thats why some ppl are annoying and wont stop saying crap and it really is gay, when ppl dont understand that these arguments dont get us anywhere.

also, dont go into the muscle car forums if all they are going to do is get u mad, ppl who do that are only looking for a fight.

isnt the new gto fast then the old one. i mean sure motor trend could be very wrong but they say that the new gto is even fast then the old judge.


oh ya i read that i guess it is. (whoops)

Oh don't leave yet I am just starting to have fun with you. Oh and I did not learn about your crap because unlike you I already knew about what my opponent had. :rofl: Go argue with the poser ricers they are easy to pick on. You are a shame to domestic fans everywhere, you should know you stuff better before you argue with a fanatic.


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Have you heard the saying 'arguing on the internet is like competing in the special olympics, even if you win you are still retarded' Sorry to whoever on these forums i stole that from it was in someones sig.

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The only reason he came here is to start a bitch-fight anyway.

..................Cobra.................STi....... ....
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Price.............34,750................31,454.... ....
Displacement......4601cc................2457cc.... ....
Supercharger......8.0psi................14.5psi... ....
[email protected]@6000 ....
[email protected]@4000
Ratio.............15.0.1................15.2.1.... ....
Final drive.......3.55:1................3.90:1........
Weight............3,530lbs..............3,125..... ....
Weight/power......9.05 lb/hp............10.4 lb/hp....

Performance:

Quarter [email protected]@100.5mph
Road Course.......1:22.7................121.0.........
Fuel Economy(epa)..16/22................18/24.........
Top Speed.........155mph................145mph........

And a few quotes:

"As goofy as they look, don't discount the advantage of those two extra doors accessing the WRX's very useable rear seat."

"One could easily argue the STi is the better all-around car. It's just as quick at the dragstrip, faster around the road course, and costs less"

"The Cobra is far more challenging to drive hand around corners than the forgiving all wheel drive STi. We also found the Cobra's heavily bolstered leather wrapped seats to be uncomfortable compared to other Mustangs we've driven.

"Considering it's traction disadvantage, in a street race with the STi, the Cobra would probably lose."

..................Cobra.................STi....... ....
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Price.............34,750................31,454.... ....
Displacement......4601cc................2457cc.... ....
Supercharger......8.0psi................14.5psi... ....
[email protected]@6000 ....
[email protected]@4000
Ratio.............15.0.1................15.2.1.... ....
Final drive.......3.55:1................3.90:1........
Weight............3,530lbs..............3,125..... ....
Weight/power......9.05 lb/hp............10.4 lb/hp....

Performance:

Quarter [email protected]@100.5mph
Road Course.......1:22.7................121.0.........
Fuel Economy(epa)..16/22................18/24.........
Top Speed.........155mph................145mph........

And a few quotes:

"As goofy as they look, don't discount the advantage of those two extra doors accessing the WRX's very useable rear seat."

"One could easily argue the STi is the better all-around car. It's just as quick at the dragstrip, faster around the road course, and costs less"

"The Cobra is far more challenging to drive hand around corners than the forgiving all wheel drive STi. We also found the Cobra's heavily bolstered leather wrapped seats to be uncomfortable compared to other Mustangs we've driven.

"Considering it's traction disadvantage, in a street race with the STi, the Cobra would probably lose."

This is not a good comparison. The STI is stripped of all luxuries, it doesn't even have a radio for crying out loud. It was meant to be an all-out rally car. The Cobra was not. Plus, from the MPH differences in the 1/4 mile, tells me the cobra was not able to hook up. But once it got going it shot like a cannon. So, lets put some drag radials(street legal ones for Jared80) and see it get into the 12's. Also do the same weight reductions that the STI has done, and it will hit mid 12's. Plus it will handle better(maybe not as good as the STI because the cobra was not meant to rally race) with the weight loss.

What Luxuries does the Mustang have ?

man, Not everyone Mods their car, Stock, the STI wins

What Luxuries does the Mustang have ?

man, Not everyone Mods their car, Stock, the STI wins

How about a radio and sound deadoning material for starters.

And is really depends on the driver. From a rolling start(like on the highway), the STI will be in the Cobras rearview mirror.

And give me a break, .01 seconds! The reaction time could have made more of a difference than that.
All you got to do is add a KN filter and the cobra will be faster. And don't give me that crap about adding a KN filter to the STI too. The KN filter has more of an effect on a V8 simply because it pulls in more air. Thus making it more effective. Like the STI might get 5 HP, the Cobra will get 10.

And give me a break, .01 seconds! The reaction time could have made more of a difference than that.
All you got to do is add a KN filter and the cobra will be faster. And don't give me that crap about adding a KN filter to the STI too. The KN filter has more of an effect on a V8 simply because it pulls in more air. Thus making it more effective. Like the STI might get 5 HP, the Cobra will get 10.
LOL Guys

Do you think we could get to talking about muscle cars now J/K

This is not a good comparison. The STI is stripped of all luxuries, it doesn't even have a radio for crying out loud. It was meant to be an all-out rally car. The Cobra was not. Plus, from the MPH differences in the 1/4 mile, tells me the cobra was not able to hook up. But once it got going it shot like a cannon. So, lets put some drag radials(street legal ones for Jared80) and see it get into the 12's. Also do the same weight reductions that the STI has done, and it will hit mid 12's. Plus it will handle better(maybe not as good as the STI because the cobra was not meant to rally race) with the weight loss.
Jared80

He's just a turd that diden't get flushed. :loser:

This is not a good comparison. The STI is stripped of all luxuries, it doesn't even have a radio for crying out loud. It was meant to be an all-out rally car. The Cobra was not. Plus, from the MPH differences in the 1/4 mile, tells me the cobra was not able to hook up. But once it got going it shot like a cannon. So, lets put some drag radials(street legal ones for Jared80) and see it get into the 12's. Also do the same weight reductions that the STI has done, and it will hit mid 12's. Plus it will handle better(maybe not as good as the STI because the cobra was not meant to rally race) with the weight loss.
Never ment to

Cobras were never ment to be road cars, but thay do the 1/4 mile rather well, and to your .01 win BFD, it really proves nothing. Cars are usually a preference thing, either you like American or you like Imports, and it doesn't really matter what you like or what I like. I could show you 100 reasons to buy American muscle, and you could do the same for Imports, but would it really matter in the end, I'm not going to go out and buy an Import, and your not going to go out and buy American. So it really becomes quite pointless. Besides theres no point to come to the muscle car forum and discuss the Jap stuff.

What Luxuries does the Mustang have ?

man, Not everyone Mods their car, Stock, the STI wins
Big woopity

It wins by .01 in the quarter mile, what a mile stone. I could set the timing on the the Cobra a little bit different, or the carburetion a bit different, or as PW said just add a K&N filter, or all of it and probably get 20 more HP, so what's the real point here.

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Wow there is a logical argument, why do I bother you so much? Maybe because I am right too much, and I make you look stupid?

:lol2: :biggrin: :lol2: It wins by .01 in the quarter mile, what a mile stone. I could set the timing on the the Cobra a little bit different, or the carburetion a bit different, or as PW said just add a K&N filter, or all of it and probably get 20 more HP, so what's the real point here.


The point is that you know NOTHING about automobiles! The new Cobra dose NOT have a carbarator! Like I said before go do your homework and let the big boys argue! By the way the Evo ran a 13.06 in the 1/4 stock, you will need more than just an airfilter, and fine tuning to top that!

P.S. we are still laughing at you. :evillol: :icon16: :iceslolan :lol: :rofl:

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The point is that you know NOTHING about automobiles! The new Cobra dose NOT have a carbarator! Like I said before go do your homework and let the big boys argue! By the way the Evo ran a 13.06 in the 1/4 stock, you will need more than just an airfilter, and fine tuning to top that!

P.S. we are still laughing at you. :evillol: :icon16: :iceslolan :lol: :rofl:

Carburetion is a general term, it means any kind of induction. It doesn't mean that a vehicle has a carburetor.

Carburetion is a general term, it means any kind of induction. It doesn't mean that a vehicle has a carburetor.


Let dimwhit anwser for himself, and there is a big difference between a carbarator and a fuel injuction unit especaly when you are tweeking them. I can understand that people can slip up but I think that he just does not know a car from a hole in the ground, he should go and join the poser ricers, they are even less informed than he is.

Will you please spell CARBURETOR right. I thought you would pick up on how to spell it after I said it twice.

Whoops.

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