Lets slay some ricers!

Have you ever heard of Coates rotary valves?
Coates engineering makes heads for ford five ohs that will take the motor, stock bottom end mind you, from about 260 bhp to over 450 bhp just with their heads. You might want to check that out. They're expensive, but awesome.

Have you ever heard of Coates rotary valves?
Coates engineering makes heads for ford five ohs that will take the motor, stock bottom end mind you, from about 260 bhp to over 450 bhp just with their heads. You might want to check that out. They're expensive, but awesome.


Before you go pay thousands of dollars for a pair of Coates rotary heads, wait untill they are proven on the track. I read quite a bit about them when they were in the development stage and they had alot of problems with sealing the hot gasses on the powerstroke. (which they swear they fixed) I love the idea and all, and the exta power that you save in valvetrain friction alone is significant, but let professional racers try them first and if they hold up to that then I would make that investment. A good word of adveice "always let people with more money than you be the first to try the newest craze."

Last I read they were in production on their industrial diesels and motorcycle line that they're building. But I won't have the cash for those for quite some time, so we shall see how the cookie crumbles.

hehehehe, I blow past the rice with my old Cadillac, ahh wonders of good old American pushrod V8 torque =)

WRX's(227hp) are pretty quick for an everyday driver, pretty economical too, but it sure can't hold a candle to American V8's in terms of raw power, for example if you do the math and calculate the power to cubic inch ratio, and you turbo a Corvette LS6.....just like Lingenfelter does.....by the same ratio as the WRX has, the LS6 would make 633+ hp. and thats mild for what a LS6 can really do. The 750hp package Lingenfelter Corvette runs 9.50 in the 1/4(street tires!!) And it still has warrany and A/C!!

You must also realize that imports have been working with "4 bangers" a hell of a lot longer than domestics. And domestics have been working with V8 performance a hell of a lot longer than imports. Jared, you said earlier "what if the imports made V8's, how much horsepower could they get out of them." Well they might get them decent with their "DOHC techonolgy", but the truth of the matter is domestics have been tinkering with them a lot longer than the Japanese. Same thing with domestics, what if they put as much money into DOHC 4 cylinders- well Imports do that better. I guarantee you, if Domestic companies would have been making 4 cylinders for as long as imports have than they might be the ones putting "700-1200" street legal HP into their cars, it's the same thing with imports if they had been working with pushrod V8's. It's all about what they know..GM, Ford, Dodge- they know how to make torquey high octane V8's. Toyota, Honda, and Mitsu- they know how to make high HP quick revving 4 cylinders. And for the consumer, it all comes down to preference. There can't be to much wrong with pushrod technology, it is making a come back in the auto industry.

Wow congradulations they built a car 40 years newer that was faster! Hey let's start puttin those old cars on today's tires and see what they run for times. Or better yet let's see that lil Evo rock and roll agianst a 03 Cobra. I'm not defensive I think the evo is impressive but do you really think a 13.06 scares us?

I do believe this guy is a very wise man, he has studied the new muscle cars, and knows his stuff, and the rice against American muscle thing is way over done everywhere I do agree with this statment.

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You must also realize that imports have been working with "4 bangers" a hell of a lot longer than domestics. And domestics have been working with V8 performance a hell of a lot longer than imports. Jared, you said earlier "what if the imports made V8's, how much horsepower could they get out of them." Well they might get them decent with their "DOHC techonolgy", but the truth of the matter is domestics have been tinkering with them a lot longer than the Japanese. Same thing with domestics, what if they put as much money into DOHC 4 cylinders- well Imports do that better. I guarantee you, if Domestic companies would have been making 4 cylinders for as long as imports have than they might be the ones putting "700-1200" street legal HP into their cars, it's the same thing with imports if they had been working with pushrod V8's. It's all about what they know..GM, Ford, Dodge- they know how to make torquey high octane V8's. Toyota, Honda, and Mitsu- they know how to make high HP quick revving 4 cylinders. And for the consumer, it all comes down to preference. There can't be to much wrong with pushrod technology, it is making a come back in the auto industry.
First let's get some facts straight, the push rod engine never went out, unless you mean in the foriegn market, but does that really matter. Enzo ferrari said before he died that the world's best designed engine was the small block chevy, and I do believe that it's a push rod engine, and we could talk about the LS1 corvette engine, whitch if I'm not mistaking is a DOHC small block chevy, and did pump out 400 HP on pump gas, some things will never go away, Chevy, Ford and Dodge still build the best engines on the planet and that will never change.

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and we could talk about the LS1 corvette engine, whitch if I'm not mistaking is a DOHC small block chevy, and did pump out 400 HP on pump gas, some things will never go away, Chevy, Ford and Dodge still build the best engines on the planet and that will never change.[/COLOR] [/FONT]

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Nope, the LS1 is a pushrod motor aswell.

My :2cents: on the best engine thing is that It all depends on the situation. (Personally, I think General Electric makes the best, they make turbines.) For cars, I say Pontaic made the best in the past. Now, I'd put my bets on BMW.

First let's get some facts straight, the push rod engine never went out, unless you mean in the foriegn market, but does that really matter. Enzo ferrari said before he died that the world's best designed engine was the small block chevy, and I do believe that it's a push rod engine, and we could talk about the LS1 corvette engine, whitch if I'm not mistaking is a DOHC small block chevy, and did pump out 400 HP on pump gas, some things will never go away, Chevy, Ford and Dodge still build the best engines on the planet and that will never change.

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Jesus christ, that's not even close to what i meant. Whether you want to believe it or not, The big 3 were going to start marketing more DOHC engines for their cars. Take for instance the 3.4 lt. DOHC engine that was in the mid to late 90's Monte Carlo SS's(rated at 200 HP). And, you took me all wrong, i never said i didn't like pushrod engines..i personally never get tired of hearing the sound of a small block chevy revving up to 3500 rpm's on a warm summer evening. And the LS1 is not a DOHC engine, sounds like you need to get some facts straight before you question me. This wasn't even the subject i was trying to get at.

3500 RPM's?

You don't have to rev it to the redline for it to sound good, I think that's what he was getting at...

You don't have to rev it to the redline for it to sound good, I think that's what he was getting at...

Ahh, it all makes sense now :smokin:

I guss that all of the muscleheads are getting defensive after the Japs started to bring over their next genaration sports cars. The Evo rocks. 13.06 in the 1/4 faster than the GT500 faster than the superbird faster than the Boss 429, and it gets good fuel economy, and you can carry your friends along to watch you smoke those outdated lumps of iron. I guss that if I was brainwashed enough to believe in American iron I would be definsive too.

Not that I'm getting defncive, but look where you are, brainwashed enough to believe in American Muscle, just think before you speak, the ZL-1 Camaro 1969 Ran 11.50s in the quarter mile, and what about the Buick GSX stage 3 and it's 12.35 in the quarter mile, just think before you speak, I can always find American muscle that's faster. Just think were the japs the first to run a car in the quarter mile.

David C. Atkin

Jesus christ, that's not even close to what i meant. Whether you want to believe it or not, The big 3 were going to start marketing more DOHC engines for their cars. Take for instance the 3.4 lt. DOHC engine that was in the mid to late 90's Monte Carlo SS's(rated at 200 HP). And, you took me all wrong, i never said i didn't like pushrod engines..i personally never get tired of hearing the sound of a small block chevy revving up to 3500 rpm's on a warm summer evening. And the LS1 is not a DOHC engine, sounds like you need to get some facts straight before you question me. This wasn't even the subject i was trying to get at.

Sorry if I offended you, and yes I did get the facts a little screwed about the LS1 engine, I had a bit of confusion going, I just get a little fired about this subject, and Chevy had planed to build a Corvette with DOHC, but that's not to say one is better then the other.

Not that I'm getting defncive, but look where you are, brainwashed enough to believe in American Muscle, just think before you speak, the ZL-1 Camaro 1969 Ran 11.50s in the quarter mile, and what about the Buick GSX stage 3 and it's 12.35 in the quarter mile, just think before you speak, I can always find American muscle that's faster. Just think were the japs the first to run a car in the quarter mile.

David C. Atkin


OK lets get one thing streight, you are comparing a purpose built dragster aginst a high proformance street car. Even at that for the price of a ZL-1 Camaro you could put a WRX or an Evo into the low 11s or high 10s on streetable tires. I am not a muscle car basher like some "ricers" but I do give credit where credit is due, the Evo rocks. And consider more than just the 1/4 mile look at breaking 60-0 in 106ft! That is faster than the 360 Modena! Cornering at .97G that is a match for most supercars! 600ft slolom at over 71.6mph, that is the fastest production car that the world has ever seen! 0-30mph in .7 seconds! I don't care how you look at it that is one amazing car and you will not find a musclecar that will match it in overall proformance except for maby the new Viper (only a few even consider that a musclecar) I am not dissing anybody but you would have to be blind not to call that impressive for the amount that it costs.

I think we are kinda off the topic? (screw my first ?) i asked another one, but i cant find it, to many pages. It was about muscle car what is the translation now a days. I personaly think any car wiht 300 or more hp is a muscle car. what do u guys think?

first off JARED the 3 MUSCLE cars you mentioned were not built for drag . they were built for road and circle track racing .
can the evo run a sustained speed of 200mph for 500 miles and stay on the track ?
no ? didnt think so ! the SUPERBIRD can !

if you want to talk factory built drag cars that laugh at the 13.06

YENKO camaro 427
330 426 MAX WEDGE
HEMI CUDA
WS 30 STAGE III 455 olds
just to name a few .

and second i live in AMERICA i belive in buying AMERICAN . and you cant beat AMERICAN IRON !!!!!!!!!!!!

Let's not forget the Calloway Corvette, Nicky Camaro, Penske Camaro, COPO Camaro, I could go on all night, but I think I'll stop now, you just can't compare that crap to good old American muscle.

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Let's not forget the Calloway Corvette, Nicky Camaro, Penske Camaro, COPO Camaro, I could go on all night, but I think I'll stop now, you just can't compare that crap to good old American muscle.

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lets not, but lets also try to get bak on topic. I agree with u guys though.

I think we are kinda off the topic? (screw my first ?) i asked another one, but i cant find it, to many pages. It was about muscle car what is the translation now a days. I personaly think any car wiht 300 or more hp is a muscle car. what do u guys think?

I still hold ture to it's roots. A midsized car with a full sized car's engine. Trouble is they don't really make them now.

I guss that all of the muscleheads are getting defensive after the Japs started to bring over their next genaration sports cars. The Evo rocks. 13.06 in the 1/4 faster than the GT500 faster than the superbird faster than the Boss 429, and it gets good fuel economy, and you can carry your friends along to watch you smoke those outdated lumps of iron. I guss that if I was brainwashed enough to believe in American iron I would be definsive too.

Not defencive, just truthfull

Allow me to introduce you to the ZL1 Camaro, it was built in 1969 and still to this day their hasen't been a more powerfull muscle car ever built. Not your EVO for certain, would you consider 2 seconds faster just a bit faster then your EVO turd, this is a Chevrolet Camaro, I do believe that is American muscle and not a jap beer can. And it puls the same on the skid pad and yet has more power, of course with the old type front suspension and steering it does understeer horriblby, but then most of the front wheel drive cars do too, so now it handels better and gets you there faster. Plus it beats you down by 2 secs in the quarter mile, it of course is not cheaper, but is 30 years old. You should do a comparison on that, how meny EVO's are sitting in a junk yard after 30 years as compared to ZL1's, whitch by the way only 50 were ever built. These were very special cars, and not everybody could afford one, but they mean much more to American history and most American car people then that damn EVO ever will. http://musclev8.freeservers.com/zl1.htm

OK lets get one thing streight, you are comparing a purpose built dragster aginst a high proformance street car. Even at that for the price of a ZL-1 Camaro you could put a WRX or an Evo into the low 11s or high 10s on streetable tires. I am not a muscle car basher like some "ricers" but I do give credit where credit is due, the Evo rocks. And consider more than just the 1/4 mile look at breaking 60-0 in 106ft! That is faster than the 360 Modena! Cornering at .97G that is a match for most supercars! 600ft slolom at over 71.6mph, that is the fastest production car that the world has ever seen! 0-30mph in .7 seconds! I don't care how you look at it that is one amazing car and you will not find a musclecar that will match it in overall proformance except for maby the new Viper (only a few even consider that a musclecar) I am not dissing anybody but you would have to be blind not to call that impressive for the amount that it costs.

Just give it some thought, the Corvette Z06 out handels the Viper, it pulls a 1.2G rating on the skid pad or so says Road&Track

I can always find American cars to keep up with or beat the Jap stuff in every category, but what's the point, theirs no point to compare apples to oranges because you just can't get the results your looking for. As far as the slolom their is an American car that will beat those specs, but at this time I fail to remember what it's called, if I can get the name I will put it in here, but like I said it's pointless.

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EVO turd, jap beer can.

My, we aren't biased are we. :rolleyes:

lets not, but lets also try to get bak on topic. I agree with u guys though.

Yes let's do stay on the topic, but think just a little logic also. If I have a Chevy muscle car pmuping out say 1,100 hp and you own a rice grinder what's the point of the continued comparison, it's like comparing a skyscraper to the ocean, just about the opsite thing, let's keep the rice grinders racing in their own class on the strip. Also just a side note street racing in dangerous and it kills people let's keep the racing where it belongs and that's on the drag strip.

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OK lets get one thing streight, you are comparing a purpose built dragster aginst a high proformance street car. Even at that for the price of a ZL-1 Camaro you could put a WRX or an Evo into the low 11s or high 10s on streetable tires. I am not a muscle car basher like some "ricers" but I do give credit where credit is due, the Evo rocks. And consider more than just the 1/4 mile look at breaking 60-0 in 106ft! That is faster than the 360 Modena! Cornering at .97G that is a match for most supercars! 600ft slolom at over 71.6mph, that is the fastest production car that the world has ever seen! 0-30mph in .7 seconds! I don't care how you look at it that is one amazing car and you will not find a musclecar that will match it in overall proformance except for maby the new Viper (only a few even consider that a musclecar) I am not dissing anybody but you would have to be blind not to call that impressive for the amount that it costs.

If you want to talk Ferraris let's talk about it then, I do love the Italian cars.

Here are just a few specs on the F50 does your EVO kill this also, GENERAL
Make Ferrari Model F50
Engine Layout mid-engine/RWD Price $500,000
ENGINE
Type 4699cc V-12 Power 513bhp @ 8500RPM
Torque 347ft-lbs @ 6500RPM Redline ??????
Bore 3.3in/85mm Stroke 2.72in/69mm
Displacement 4688cc/286.6cu-in Compression Ratio 11.3:1
POWER TRAIN
Type Transverse mid-engine/ RWD Transmission V-12
GEAR RATIOS (:1)
1st 2.79 5th 1.11
2nd 2.00 6th 0.90
3rd 1.59 Reverse ??????
4th 1.32 Final Drive 3.70
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase 101.6in/2581mm Length 176.4in/4481mm
Height 44.1in/1120mm Width 78.2in/1986mm
Curb Weight 2710lbs/1229kgs Drag (CD) ??????
Weight Distribution (F/R) ?????? Track (F/R) 63.8in/63.1in
1621mm/1603mm
PERFORMANCE
Top Speed 203mph/327kph 0-30 1.8 secs
0-60 3.6 secs 1-100 8.0 secs
1/4 mile 12.1 secs EPA City/Hwy ??????

and your EVO if it's the Mitsubishi then it's a 4 door family car, that's real cool look at this http://www-atdp.berkeley.edu/9931/dfan/f50full2.html

Here are what I could find of the Modena specs

Model Line Overview

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Model lineup: 360 Modena ($144,620); 360 Modena F1 ($154,550); 360 Spider ($161,475); 360 Spider F1 ($171,185)
Engines: 395-hp 3.6-liter dohc 40-valve V8
Transmissions: 6-speed automanual
Safety equipment (standard): ABS, traction control, front airbags
Safety equipment (optional): N/A
Basic warranty: 3 years/unlimited miles
Assembled in: Modena, Italy

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Specifications As Tested

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Model tested (MSRP): 360 Modena F1 ($154,550)
Standard equipment: power windows, mirrors and door locks, air conditioning, leather seating surfaces, AM/FM stereo/CD, adjustable shocks, xenon headlights, traction control
Options as tested (MSRP): N/A
Destination charge: ($1350)
Gas guzzler tax: N/A
Price as tested (MSRP): $155,900
Layout: mid-engine/rear-wheel drive
Engine: 3.6-liter dohc 40-valve V8
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 395 @ 8500
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm): 275 @ 4750
Transmission: 6-speed automanual
EPA fuel economy, city/hwy: 11/16 mpg
Wheelbase: 102.3 in.
Length/width/height: 176.3/75.7/47.8 in.
Track, f/r: 65.7/63.7 in.
Turning circle: 35.4 ft.
Seating capacity: 2
Head/hip/leg room, f: 36.5/NA/46.5 in.
Head/hip/leg room, m: N/A
Head/hip/leg room, r: N/A
Cargo volume: 8.0 cu. ft.
Payload: N/A
Towing capacity: N/A
Suspension, f: Independent
Suspension, r: Independent
Ground clearance: 4.2 in.
Curb weight: 3291 lbs.
Tires: P215/45ZR-18 / P275/40ZR-18
Brakes, f/r: disc/disc with ABS
Fuel capacity: 25.1 gal.

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The Italian cars are the only other cars that I respect like I do American Muscle, look at the specs and it's for obvous reasons.

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For somebody who uses terrible grammar like yourself Dork, I don't think you've got a leg to stand on when calling somebody out on their own grammar... when infact it was just a 'slang' term.

And this is a terrible thread, all of our favorite muscle cars of old were built 30-40 years ago. I would hope the cars of today would be able to keep up or beat them with all the technology they have now. I just like knowing that now days most people rely on some sort of power adder like Nitrous, Turbo, Supercharger to get the power needed to surpass the older muscle cars.

Sure makes me feel good knowing I've got my 425hp from just the motor itself... and as far as motor builds go. It's pretty mild, there's a lot more I could and probably will untap from it.
First off redneck, no Redneck owns me. I would have to agree that this is a horrible thread to start, of course it's going to get the Muscle car freaks going with it, and that is only a natural thing.

Can't we all just get along?

You really don't know much do you? The Lancer has been out for 11 years and the are holding up very well. If you paid attentin to what has been going on in the automotive world you would know that. Yes I do think that most American cars are unreliable just read JD Power and chack the mechanical reliability for yourself. Did you get your car used because I know that new Camaros cost over 30k (with a V8) if you did get a new one for that price you got one heck of a deal. By the way if you think that we Americans have built a better sports car for the money name me one that can beat the Evo in at leased half of the proformance catagories that I mentioned for under 30k. I bet that you cannot. Don't argue with me based on your ideas give me facts and numbers because thay are not subject to your bias oppion, that would make your argument creditable. Don't mind my spelling I write in a hurry because I have other things to do.

First off Jared, let's not get our pantys in a bunch.

Once again proving what an idiot you are, I can name you American muscle that will beat your damn EVO down. How about the Z06 Corvette to start with, and after that the Viper. These are American cars and will beat the hell out of your four door peice of shit family EVO turd. Allow me to expound, here are your EVO specs 2003 Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution
Estimated Price: $28,987
Engine
Engine Code: 4G63
Type: In-line four-cylinder,
turbocharged and intercooled,
iron block and aluminum head
Valvetrain: DOHC, four valves per cylinder
Displacement: 1997cc
Bore & Stroke: 85.0mm x 88.0mm
Compression Ratio: 8.8:1
Claimed HP: 271 hp @ 6500 rpm
Claimed torque: 273 lb-ft @ 3500 rpm
Measured wheel HP: 233 hp @ 5800 rpm
Measured wheel torque: 252 lb-ft @ 3800 rpm
Redline: 7000 rpm
Drivetrain
Layout: Transverse front engine,
all-wheel drive
Transmission: Five-speed manual
Gear Ratios
1: 2.928:1
2: 1.950:1
3: 1.407:1
4: 1.031:1
5: 0.720:1
Final drive: 4.529:1
Differentials
Front: Open
Center: Viscous limited-slip
Rear: Clutch type limited slip
Exterior Dimensions
Curb Weight : 3263 lb.
Weight Distribution F/R : 60/40
Overall Length: 178.5 in.
Wheelbase: 103.3 in.
Overall Width: 69.7 in.
Track F/R: 59.6 in./59.6 in.
Height: 57.1 in.
Suspension
Front: MacPherson struts with
aluminum lower control arm,
anti-roll bar
Rear: Upper and lower control
arms, one trailing link,
anti-roll bar
Brakes
Front: 12.7-inch Brembo ventilated
disc, four-piston calipers
Rear: 11.9-inch Brembo ventilated
disc, two-piston calipers
Wheels and Tires
Wheels: Enkei 17-inch aluminum alloy
Tires: 235/45ZR17 Yokohama A-046
Performance
0-30 mph: 1.7 sec.
0-60 mph: 5.3 sec.
30-50 mph: 2.1 sec
50-70 mph: 2.9 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.4 sec. @ 103 mph
Handling
Slalom Speed (700-ft slalom): 73.1 mph
Skidpad (200-ft diameter): .95g
Braking
60-0 stopping distance: 106 ft.
Lap time: 1:37.87


Dodge Viper

Price [$US] from $80,000 (Get the latest price here)

Layout front-engine / rear-wheel-drive
Drag Coefficient [cd] 0.40 (0.43 with top down)
Curb Weight [lb (kg)] 3357 (1522)
Weight Distribution [%f / r] 48 / 52
Trunk Space [cu ft. (L)] 8.4 (240)

Overall Length [in. (mm)] 175.6 (4459)
Overall Width [in. (mm)] 78.5 (1944)
Overall Height [in. (mm)] 47.6 (1210)
Wheelbase [in. (mm)] 98.8 (2510)
Track Front [in. (mm)] 57.8 (1469)
Track Rear [in. (mm)] 60.9 (1547)

Steering Rack & Pinion; Power-assisted
Turning Radius [ft. (m)] 20.3 (6.3)
Tires front 275/35 ZR18
Tires rear 345/30 ZR19


Engine



Type 90° V10 - aluminum block & heads
Valvetrain OHV 2-valve/cyl.; pushrod actuated
Displacement [cc] 8277
Bore & Stroke [mm] 102.4 x 100.6
Compression Ratio 9.6:1
Redline [rpm] 6000

Max. Power [Bhp at rpm] 500 at 5600
Max. Torque [lb-ft (Nm) at rpm] 525 (712) at 4200
Bhp/Liter 60.4


Accomodation



Seating Capacity 2
Front Head Room [in. (mm)] 36.5 (926)
Front Leg Room [in. (mm)] 42.4 (1077)


Interior Noise



Idle in neutral [dBA] NA
70 mph coasting [dBA] NA


Gear Ratios



1st 2.66:1
2nd 1.78:1
3rd 1.30:1
4th 1.00:1
5th 0.74:1
6th 0.50:1
Final drive 3.07:1


Suspension



Front Unequal-length upper and lower A-arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar, gas-charged shocks
Rear Unequal-length upper and lower A-arms, coil springs, anti-roll bar, gas-charged shocks


Braking



Front - Brakes 14.0 in. (355 mm) vented discs
Rear - Brakes 14.0 in. (355 mm) vented discs
70 - 0 mph [ft (m)] NA
60 - 0 mph [ft (m)] NA


Performance*



0 - 60 mph [secs] 4.0
0 - 100 mph [secs] 9.3
1/4 mile [secs at mph] 12.0 at 115

Top Speed [mph] 190+
Lateral acceleration [g] NA

Fuel Economy [City/Hwy in mpg] 10 / 20





2002 Chevrolet Corvette

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Model Lineup: Coupe ($41,210); Convertible ($47,735); Z06 Hardtop ($49,910)
Engines: 350-hp 5.7-liter ohv V8 (LS1); 385-hp 5.7-liter ohv V8 (LS6)
Transmissions: 6-speed manual; 4-speed automatic
Safety Equipment (standard): dual airbags, ABS, Active Handling
Safety Equipment (optional): N/A
Basic Warranty: 3 years/36,000 miles
Assembled In: Bowling Green, Kentucky

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Specifications as Tested

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Model Coupe Z06


General Information



Price [$US] from $41,000 (Get the latest price here)

Layout front-engine / rear-wheel-drive
Drag Coefficient [cd] 0.29 0.31
Curb Weight [lb (kg)] 3215 (1460) 3115 (1415)
Weight Distribution [%f / r] 53 / 47
Trunk Space [cu ft. (L)] 24.8 13.3

Overall Length [in. (mm)] 179.7 (4565)
Overall Width [in. (mm)] 73.6 (1869)
Overall Height [in. (mm)] 47.7 (1211)
Wheelbase [in. (mm)] 104.5 (2656)
Track Front [in. (mm)] 61.9 (1572) 62.4 (1585)
Track Rear [in. (mm)] 62 (1575) 62.6 (1590)

Steering Rack & Pinion; Power assisted, Magna Steer
Turning Radius [ft. (m)] 19.7 (6.0) 21.1 (6.5)
Tires front 245/45 ZR17 265/40 ZR17
Tires rear 275/40 ZR18 295/35 ZR18


Engine



Type LS1 - V8 - alu b&h** LS6 - V8 - alu b&h**
Valvetrain OHV 2valve/cyl.
Displacement [cc] 5665
Bore & Stroke [mm] 99.0 x 92.0
Compression Ratio 10.1:1 10.5:1
Redline [rpm] 6000 6500

Max. Power [Bhp at rpm] 350 at 5200 405 at 6000
Max. Torque [lb-ft (Nm) at rpm] 375 (508) at 4400 400 (542) at 4800
Bhp/Liter 61.8 71.5


Accomodation



Seating Capacity 2
Front Head Room [in. (mm)] 37.9 (963) 37.8 (960)
Front Leg Room [in. (mm)] 42.7 (1085)


Interior Noise



Idle in neutral [dBA] NA 67
70 mph coasting [dBA] NA 78


Gear Ratios



1st 2.66:1 2.97:1
2nd 1.78:1 2.07:1
3rd 1.30:1 1.43:1
4th 1.00:1 1.00:1
5th 0.74:1 0.84:1
6th 0.50:1 0.56:1
Final drive 3.42:1 3.42:1


Suspension



Front independent; upper & lower A-arms, transverse composite spring, tube shocks, anti-roll bar
Rear independent; upper & lower A-arms, toe links, transverse composite spring, anti-roll bar


Braking



Front - Brakes 12.6 in. (320 mm) vented discs
Rear - Brakes 11.8 in. (300 mm) vented discs
70 - 0 mph [ft (m)] 162 (50.3)
60 - 0 mph [ft (m)] 123 (38.2) 116 (36.0)


Performance*



0 - 60 mph [secs] 4.5 4.3
0 - 100 mph [secs] 11.7 9.9
1/4 mile [secs at mph] 13.1 at 111 12.7 at 112.1

Top Speed [mph] 162 171
Lateral acceleration [g] 0.92 0.97

Fuel Economy [City/Hwy in mpg] 19 / 28


Allow me to inform you, I can find more American muscle that will hammer you little turd EVO.

Since he likes to compare old to new, how about comparing the Evo to a Yenko Camaro, one with a 427 that ran high 11's off the show room floor, and that was with the outdated rubber.

P.S. I'm waiting for the generalized "that's more displacement/if I had the same amount of money, I could be faster than that" b.s...

There is no replacment for displacment.

It easier to make more power with more cubic inchs, and that is pure fact. There is no disputing that.

Here are just a few specs on the F50 does your EVO kill this also, GENERAL
Make Ferrari Model F50
Engine Layout mid-engine/RWD Price $500,000
ENGINE
Type 4699cc V-12 Power 513bhp @ 8500RPM
Torque 347ft-lbs @ 6500RPM Redline ??????
Bore 3.3in/85mm Stroke 2.72in/69mm
Displacement 4688cc/286.6cu-in Compression Ratio 11.3:1
POWER TRAIN
Type Transverse mid-engine/ RWD Transmission V-12
GEAR RATIOS (:1)
1st 2.79 5th 1.11
2nd 2.00 6th 0.90
3rd 1.59 Reverse ??????
4th 1.32 Final Drive 3.70
DIMENSIONS
Wheelbase 101.6in/2581mm Length 176.4in/4481mm
Height 44.1in/1120mm Width 78.2in/1986mm
Curb Weight 2710lbs/1229kgs Drag (CD) ??????
Weight Distribution (F/R) ?????? Track (F/R) 63.8in/63.1in
1621mm/1603mm
PERFORMANCE
Top Speed 203mph/327kph 0-30 1.8 secs
0-60 3.6 secs 1-100 8.0 secs
1/4 mile 12.1 secs EPA City/Hwy ??????

and your EVO if it's the Mitsubishi then it's a 4 door family car, that's real cool look at this http://www-atdp.berkeley.edu/9931/dfan/f50full2.html



Model Line Overview

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Model lineup: 360 Modena ($144,620); 360 Modena F1 ($154,550); 360 Spider ($161,475); 360 Spider F1 ($171,185)
Engines: 395-hp 3.6-liter dohc 40-valve V8
Transmissions: 6-speed automanual
Safety equipment (standard): ABS, traction control, front airbags
Safety equipment (optional): N/A
Basic warranty: 3 years/unlimited miles
Assembled in: Modena, Italy

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Specifications As Tested

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Model tested (MSRP): 360 Modena F1 ($154,550)
Standard equipment: power windows, mirrors and door locks, air conditioning, leather seating surfaces, AM/FM stereo/CD, adjustable shocks, xenon headlights, traction control
Options as tested (MSRP): N/A
Destination charge: ($1350)
Gas guzzler tax: N/A
Price as tested (MSRP): $155,900
Layout: mid-engine/rear-wheel drive
Engine: 3.6-liter dohc 40-valve V8
Horsepower (hp @ rpm): 395 @ 8500
Torque (lb.-ft. @ rpm): 275 @ 4750
Transmission: 6-speed automanual
EPA fuel economy, city/hwy: 11/16 mpg
Wheelbase: 102.3 in.
Length/width/height: 176.3/75.7/47.8 in.
Track, f/r: 65.7/63.7 in.
Turning circle: 35.4 ft.
Seating capacity: 2
Head/hip/leg room, f: 36.5/NA/46.5 in.
Head/hip/leg room, m: N/A
Head/hip/leg room, r: N/A
Cargo volume: 8.0 cu. ft.
Payload: N/A
Towing capacity: N/A
Suspension, f: Independent
Suspension, r: Independent
Ground clearance: 4.2 in.
Curb weight: 3291 lbs.
Tires: P215/45ZR-18 / P275/40ZR-18
Brakes, f/r: disc/disc with ABS
Fuel capacity: 25.1 gal.

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The Italian cars are the only other cars that I respect like I do American Muscle, look at the specs and it's for obvous reasons.

David C. Atkin

Editor

http://hp-car.com


American muscle was never built to economize with

I'm not dising your Japanese stuff either, but just think befroe you talk, because I can find cars that will perform right with if not better then the EVO, and don't by any means compare it to Italian cars for road handling because it can't win.

Can't we all just get along?

We're just having a freindly discussion here.

Were jsust chattin about cars LOL. :evillol:

I'm not dising your Japanese stuff either, but just think befroe you talk, because I can find cars that will perform right with if not better then the EVO, and don't by any means compare it to Italian cars for road handling because it can't win.


thats all fine and dandy. we are just tring to prove that japan has made a quility sports car that handles great and out run alot on the dragstrip and a road course. motortrend has proven that the evo out handles the m3 it out accelerates the new gto. with less horses and less cost. if all your muscle car can do is just beat the evo then how is that special. true winning is winning even by an inch or a mile. but if a stock 4 banger is right behind a corvette on a drag strip like 13.1 vs. 13.25.

Allow me to introduce you to the ZL1 Camaro, it was built in 1969 and still to this day their hasen't been a more powerfull muscle car ever built. Not your EVO for certain, would you consider 2 seconds faster just a bit faster then your EVO turd, this is a Chevrolet Camaro, I do believe that is American muscle and not a jap beer can. And it puls the same on the skid pad and yet has more power, of course with the old type front suspension and steering it does understeer horriblby, but then most of the front wheel drive cars do too, so now it handels better and gets you there faster. Plus it beats you down by 2 secs in the quarter mile, it of course is not cheaper, but is 30 years old. You should do a comparison on that, how meny EVO's are sitting in a junk yard after 30 years as compared to ZL1's, whitch by the way only 50 were ever built. These were very special cars, and not everybody could afford one, but they mean much more to American history and most American car people then that damn EVO ever will. http://musclev8.freeservers.com/zl1.htm


it means more to the american history surely to each his own is due here i am an american i mush rather reserch the history of the skyline being made first as a sedan of lux. for an emperor. and who cars if it means more to american history then an evo every will....... so what!

[QUOTE=dcatkin]Here are just a few specs on the F50 does your EVO kill this also, GENERAL
Make Ferrari Model F50
Engine Layout mid-engine/RWD Price $500,000
ENGINE
Type 4699cc V-12 Power 513bhp @ 8500RPM
Torque 347ft-lbs @ 6500RPM Redline ??????


what only 513 horses from a 12 cylinder thats 42.6 horses per cylinder. and please tell me that torque rating is wrong.

Yes lets compare the Evo to the cobra. For only 5000 dollars more than the lancer you can get a gas chuging, poor handeling, overwight, unreliable, lump of iorn that has been using the same outdated frame since 1978, and what do you get in return an extra 0.15 second in the quateer mile. WAHOOO don't you feel dumb. that Lancer will still be racing long after your Stang is demoted to lawn furnature. By the way for that extra 5000 dollars you could easly turn that Lancer into an 11 second car, so stuf that up your muffler, if it has not already fallen off.
As far as the now tire argument goes the problem with the muscle car lies in the fact that their wheels were too slim, hence bad engineering. And I have seen muscle cars on modern rubber and they are still slow off the line. (bad weight distrabution) Granted the wheel width can be fixed but like any tuning that costs alot of money.

This is what I mean

For hell sakes is your evo 30 years old, will you evo even be around in 30 years, I think not, being the fact that these cars are designed to last 5 years, I don't just mean the evo, I do mean all economy cars. Your next bitch will where do your facts come form, well it was on a fox news report, your dearly beloved JDPowers did a study and dicovered this. Not that I care what JD says, I think it's possible that thay may have some bought off people in their organization also. And I agree that Ford motor campany could do a bit better job with their cars, but that's still not saying that your evo is better, because it's just a resurected junk yard orniment that sombody saved from the crusher as far as I'm concerned. Your lancer is just another big corn covered lump of shit as far as I'm concerned.

thats all fine and dandy. we are just tring to prove that japan has made a quility sports car that handles great and out run alot on the dragstrip and a road course. motortrend has proven that the evo out handles the m3 it out accelerates the new gto. with less horses and less cost. if all your muscle car can do is just beat the evo then how is that special. true winning is winning even by an inch or a mile. but if a stock 4 banger is right behind a corvette on a drag strip like 13.1 vs. 13.25.
You still see tail lights only

The L-88 Corvette ran low 12's in the quarter mile, will your evo run 180 mph all day long like the Vette does in the road circuit, races like the Lamans where in has to keep up, why isen't it there, possibly because it can't keep up, that would be Corvettes and Ferraris that win that race usually. Lets not mention other races like the Indy 500, you don't see your beloved evo there either do you, so tell me other then ralley, where is your junk yard wonder, and as to the BMW M3, I've never been really sold on those things, I used to repair them for a living. I think BMW is just a little over bragged.

Heres a list of things to race you evo against.
#1 ZL1 Camaro 11.30 ET .97G on the slid pad.
#2 ZL1 Corvette 11.25 ET .97G On the skid pad.
#3 GTO Judge 12.50 ET N/A
#4 Buick GS Stage III 12.35 ET
#5 Z06 Vette 12.30 ET.

I thought this was a Muscle car forum, Evo's? :screwy: It is not just about speed. The sound alone from an American V8 is awesome. The Hot rods do it with class. Not just a tin can with wheels, and a fast 4 popper.
I cant see how people can even compare the 2, It is a completly different world altogether. :devil:

Look here stupid if there is not a 2003 Camaro then why does conversionxtras.com sell parts for them???? You really are an idiot if an import fan has to teach you about your own car. Try actualy reading about somthing before you go arguing about it on the web. You say that you have lost all respect for me. Good I would not want respect from you anyway. Who looks stupid now???

PS rav440 you are just as stupid as he is. No I take that back you are dumber because this had nothing to do with you.
Listen here idiot

There is no 2003 Camaro period said and done the end. If you know a damn thing about the Camaro, then you would know this EVO-BOY, and boy is what I mean. Why don't you just write Chevy nad ask them about it, I gaurantee that there is no 2003 Camaro, it pissed me off to no end when Chevy announced the 2002 wiuld be the last year fopr Camaros. Stay where you belong boy, with the import guys. You Obvously know nothing about the Camaro.

I thought this was a Muscle car forum, Evo's? :screwy: It is not just about speed. The sound alone from an American V8 is awesome. The Hot rods do it with class. Not just a tin can with wheels, and a fast 4 popper.
I cant see how people can even compare the 2, It is a completly different world altogether. :devil:

Thank you, I've been waiting for someone to say that.

Thank you, I've been waiting for someone to say that.
No prob, Anytime :devil:

There is no 2003 Camaro period said and done the end. If you know a damn thing about the Camaro, then you would know this EVO-BOY, and boy is what I mean. Why don't you just write Chevy nad ask them about it, I gaurantee that there is no 2003 Camaro, it pissed me off to no end when Chevy announced the 2002 wiuld be the last year fopr Camaros. Stay where you belong boy, with the import guys. You Obvously know nothing about the Camaro.
2k3 Camaro? WTH is he talking about? I belive DC is correct. :devil:

Since you are that dumb I figure that the only way that you will ever accept that there is a 2003 Camaro is if you buy one. (www.rampchevy.com/deal-camaro.htm) No that is not a miss print, order it yourself. Look at the VIN and that will be your proof. :screwy:

Press Release taken from the GM.COM website.
http://www.68rscamaro.com/2002news.htm
Camaro/Firebird on Hiatus After 2002 Model Year

GM Celebrates Muscle Cars' Last Year of Production, Closes Site. Therese Facility

DETROIT - General Motors Corporation today announced that 2002 will be the last model year for the Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird. The Ste. Therese, Quebec plant where the vehicles are produced will close in the fall of 2002.

According to John G. Middlebrook, GM vice president and general manager vehicle brand marketing & corporate advertising, the combination of significantly reduced demand in the regular sport segment - which has decreased by 53 percent from 1990 to 2000, due in large part to the increasing popularity of trucks - along with the substantial excess manufacturing capacity in the industry made this decision unavoidable.

Middlebrook said GM is celebrating both cars' significance as American musclecar icons in 2002.

"The Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird have truly become an integral part of American culture over the years," said Middlebrook. "We appreciate the strong emotions that our customers have for these cars and we're pleased to be celebrating them with a 35th Anniversary Edition Camaro and a Collector Edition Firebird Trans Am special edition models."

Although Camaro and Firebird have always had focused appeal, both Chevy and Pontiac will continue the tradition of providing performance vehicles with high value. Next year, Chevy will introduce the SSR. Pontiac will also continue to offer excitement with performance powertrains, including the supercharged Grand Prix GTP and Bonneville SSEi and the forthcoming Vibe GT.

GM will continue to support the millions of Camaro and Firebird/Trans Am owners with replacement parts, reproduction parts, accessories and technical support through its Service Parts Organization.

General Motors of Canada Limited president and general manager, Maureen Kempston Darkes said, "Closing the Ste. Therese Plant is an extremely painful and difficult decision. GM has worked very hard to identify a new product or other alternative to continue manufacturing at Ste. Therese. However, despite several years of intensive work, we have been unable to identify any viable alternatives.

"We are committed to ensuring as smooth a transition as possible for our people. Almost all of the 1,065 employees currently on-roll at Ste. Therese are now eligible for retirement or will become eligible within the next few years. In addition, virtually all of the 380 employees currently on lay-off will similarly be eligible for retirement. The GM of Canada benefit package is extensive, with income continuation for up to three years for affected employees. We are committed to working closely with the CAW and the Quebec and federal Governments to put in place retraining and other transition assistance programs for those that want to continue their working careers."

The Ste. Therese, Quebec plant opened in 1965. Over the years, it has produced a variety of car models, including the Chevrolet Monza, Pontiac Grand Prix and Chevrolet Celebrity. It has been the sole producer of the Chevrolet Camaro and Pontiac Firebird models since 1993. The plant currently operates on one shift.

General Motors (NYSE: GM), the world's largest vehicle manufacturer, designs, builds and markets cars and trucks worldwide. In 2000, GM earned $5 billion on sales of $183.3 billion, excluding special items. It employs about 372,000 people globally.

GM also operates one of the largest and most successful financial services companies, GMAC, which offers automotive, mortgage and business financing and insurance services to customers worldwide.

GM is investing aggressively in digital technology and e-business within its global automotive operations and through such initiatives as e-GM, GM BuyPower, OnStar and its Hughes Electronics Corp. (NYSE:GMH) subsidiary.

:grinno: :iceslolan :rofl: :lol: :evillol: :iceslolan :grinno: :biggrin: :lol2: :rofl: :lol: :cwm27: :icon16: We are still laughing at your stupidity.




:swear: =you (potty mouth)
http://www.68rscamaro.com/2002news.htm

Look at the URL Jackass, I think that GM knows when their car lines come to an end better then your parts dealers, just one more step up in the idiocy people will display. If you look and learn, you will only be laughing at yourself. The Camaro did end in 2002 without a doubt, well as far as GM says, and I tend to think that thay would know. Unless you know more about GM then thay do, in which case you'd better go buy it, or at least get a job there. But we don't have to worry about that since you don't know more the them.

There is no 2003 Camaro.

I am tired of playing website tag with you the FACT still remains that the Evo smokes any SS ever made and no misprint, or playing with words can change that fact. And since the Camaro is DEAD (unfortunetly) that will never change. Is there a 2003 Camaro I don't really care if not great, if so the Evo will still leave it in the dust on ever track in every test, do I think that the Camaro was a great car for the money? Yes. Do I think that it could ever match the Evo in head to head racing or street proformance? Not a chance. Prove me wrong. Just go ahead and try. You are fighting a war with no ammo, you have nothing on the Evo not skidpad not 1/4 mile not slolom not brakeing not even close, not even with the SS which costs more than the Evo. Go ahead try playing website tag with that, I will just keep quoting the real sources, like Motor Trend, and Road and Track. Don't cry for an extra aprox 18,000 dollars you can get a z06, it is a fair match for the Evo (faster in the 1/4 but slower in the slolom and 0-60), but you loose the back seat. So go ahead and argue with me some more I love making you look stupid. (it is not hard) Even if America made a buget supercar today they still could not compare to the Jap-spec Lancer RS which is cheaper, lighter (by aprox 400lbs), and more powerful than the US Lancer. Yea you keep trying to bash imports in your little world, but I live in the real world.
Allow me to add Jackass

Your beloved EVO will not beat a Camaro down in any real test of endurance, speed, handling or any other facet of the racing world, so just quit making an ass of yourself and admit it, bring that EVO on over and race a real Camaro or Corvette or Challenger for that matter, for hell sakes your pitting a 270HP turd against a real piece of American metal with no less then 435HP, and that's just advertised HP. If you know a damn thing about how that works, you'd realize that printed HP is usually lower then the acctual power. The L-88 Vette dynoed @ 550HP, And the 302 Camaro that was rated at 290HP, but dynoed @ 400 HP, the ZL1 Camaro was rated @ 435HP but dynoed 650HP, so don't tell me how much your EVO does, when I know better.

First off redneck, no Redneck owns me. I would have to agree that this is a horrible thread to start, of course it's going to get the Muscle car freaks going with it, and that is only a natural thing.


if u dont like a thread,
1. dont respond.
2. leave it.
3. I CHANGED THE FIRST FUCKING QUESTION!
4. I said later "screw my first ?".
5. See number 2.

Although Camaro and Firebird have always had focused appeal, both Chevy and Pontiac will continue the tradition of providing performance vehicles with high value. Next year, Chevy will introduce the SSR. Pontiac will also continue to offer excitement with performance powertrains, including the supercharged Grand Prix GTP and Bonneville SSEi and the forthcoming Vibe GT.

how the heck could the idiots think the SSR is any kind of performance vehicle or the GP GTP or Bonneville and definately the Vibe!!!!!!!!!!
None of those cars are anywhere close to the performance of a Screaming Chicken or Comaro!!!!!!!!

Thank you, I've been waiting for someone to say that.
It's a feeling
It's about being an American
It's not all about speed, it's power, it's the sound of a 1969 Camaro rumbeling down the road on a hot summer day. It's looking out the front window of your car and seeing a big 8-71 GM supercharger hanging out the hood, it's knowing that you can't be beat, even if you can. It's feeling like a god when your behind the wheel of your American muscle car, it's the rumpety rump rump of a high performance cam barly ideling @ 2500 RPM. It's lifting the fornt wheels off the gruond when you leave the line, it's scoring a 9.50 in the quarter mile, it's the smell of nitro methane burning in your tank. And this is all without N2O, or NOSNo replacment for displacment.

Your beloved EVO will not beat a Camaro down in any real test of endurance, speed, handeling or any other facet of the racing world, so just quit making an ass of yourself and admit it, bring that EVO on over and race a real Camaro or Corvette or Challenger for that matter, for hell sakes your pitting a 270HP turd against a real piece of American metal with no less then 435HP, and that's just advertised HP. If you know a damn thing about how that works, you'd realize that printed HP is usually lower then the acctual power. The L-88 Vette dynoed @ 550HP, And the 302 Camaro that was rated at 290HP, but dynoed @ 400 HP, the ZL1 Camaro was rated @ 435HP but dynoed 650HP, so don't tell me how much your EVO does, when I know better.

Also, the only reason that muscle cars get such bad 1/4 mile times is because there is no possible to get traction off the line, and also 100 FT down the track for that matter. You can only give about 1/4 throttle until you are going atleast 30 MPH or else it will break loose and start spinning.

Don't forget the Hemi cuda, which was rated at 425 HP but actually had 500 to the wheels!

VVTI is great, I wish they would put it on V8's, but their is no way for the manufactures to justify it on a street car. As far as the turbos I agree, but the same goes for a larger engine, 6, 8 whatever, with more power strokes it will have a better power band. Their are people with 800hp street trim V8's that are running automatic trannys!

I for one do

I run an 1,100HP Camaro in street trim, I mean if you consider street trim, turbos and superchargers, I'm running a 490CID Big Block with a 8-71 GM roots type Supercharger, and a 5 speed standard tranny, it runs fine on the street, no problems at all.

i said before how do u guys say that u get 10 sec. 1/4's and i said the Ford GT gets through the 1/4 in like 12 point something seconds well actually after true testing on the completed version(well actually they are modifying the seats so its not the completed one) and the 1/4 is in 11.6@128 ok thats a bit off topic but i thought i should say that.

http://www.caranddriver.com/article.asp?section_id=15&article_id=7565

Here is a great newsflash for you the new Corvette ZO6 has Z-tech, which is Chevys equivlent to VVTi and V-tech. Unfortunetly they do not make the redline high enough (6500RPM I think) so it is a mere 405hp, which is nothing to be laughed at. But it still does not approch the spacific output of a Civic Si or an S2000. There are several problems with turbocharging V8s the first and most annoying is the crossflow issue which makes it hard to use a single turbo without extreamly expensive headers (the heat makes the bent downpipe expand and crack near the Y pipe). You could just install a twin turbo but then you have to deal with a whole new set of problems, especaly pipe work and the innercooler. The second issue that you face is that most V8s were not built for forced induction, hence their cooling suffers, and the blocks tend to blowout under the extreme high pressure and heat of high boost (except for speciality made blocks). This too can be fixed with water injection but since it is illigal in almost every form of racing (except drag racing) it is pure shooting in the dark to find a good system. These are the primary reasons that you don't see nearly as many turboed V8s as you see turbo 4 bangers. There are people who overcome all these chalanges and build very fast cars, but you can be assured that they know their stuff, even better than I do.
We need a comon goal.

If we keep dinking around with battling the American against Japanese thing the we will all lose when the government decides to illegalize it all. Thay came so close to getting it done one time already, and that was back in the 70's, when the gas wars started, if we don't find a way to just get together on all this crap then we will all lose in the end. Believe me they do want to abolish the high performance car idea all together in this country. If you don't believe it then just ask some people that were around in the 70's and see how close we came to losing it all together, if you think that them putting a ban on the American muscle cars won't lead to them doing the same with the Jap stuff, then you'd better think again.

Oh sorry I thought that you had a real source. Get a lagit source for your data, not some po-dunk hey momme look I made a website crap. In case you did not notice they list modified cars on there too, not just stock cars. Get me a nationaly known source several of them were around in 1969.
Here is morre for you

Check out this web site http://www.autofacts.ca/classics/fast.htm I love the old American muscle, oh and by the way I did remember that cars name, it's the Mosler, it's American and it will out do you EVO.

I see, I'm biased because I drive an SS? Hmm, I think not. My first car was a 90 Integra GS, my brothers own a 99 Civic Si and a 98 Prelude SH, and my mom drives a G35 Sedan. You can't make a case that I don't know what I'm talking about...

Base Price for a Z28 in 2002: $22,830
Hp/weight ratio: 1hp to 11.09 lbs
310.0 bhp @ 5200 rpm
340.0 ft lbs @ 4000 rpm
EPA City/Hwy: 19/28 mpg
0-60 mph: 5.1 sec
0-100 mph: 11.8 sec
Quarter Mile: 13.5 sec @ 107 mph
Skidpad: .87g
Top Speed: 160 mph
Braking, 60-0 mph: 120 ft
Slalom Speed: 63.0 mph

With seven grand to spare, the choice is simple...

As for your child-like comments about me knowing nothing about the automotive world, thanks for quoting history to me. I didn't realize that since there was an Evo "VIII" that that would mean that there were seven others before it. The Evo VIII is what you spoke of in all of those categories, and no it hasn't been out for eleven years. It's not had any time to prove how reliable it is, especially when it's run hard.
A man that knows what he's talking about.

It's not every day that you find a person that really knows what he's talking about when it comes to cars, and he's not a self proclaimed engineer who thinks he knows more then the car manufctures themselves. Black SS I'm proud to say I know you.

Great news guys the Evo RS is coming to America! The American Version is said to be about 200lbs lighter, and with front LSD. Just imagin what kind of launch that will have. It is said to cost about 2k less than the normal Evo. It gets even better, they are planing on releasing a 330hp version. SWEET. The stock Evo is a BAD car already just imagin how fast the new versions are going to be. Lets see how the new GTO Judge stacks up. (if they really build it)
They did build a GTO Judge

Ok jackass, the GTO Judge is not a new car, it was built in 1969 and 1970, just read a little bit before you open your mouth, the GTO Judge was one of the bigest, baddest and meanest muscle cars ever built. It woud scare you to death if you heard one of theose pulling up to your EVO. That particular car sounds like satan himsef pulling up to you, The first time one pulled up to me I had to learn the hard way and so will you, if he will even bring himself down to that level. I think Blackss has said it already, spend a little time learning about it before you go flapping your gums to the men who already know about it. :loser:

I think we are kinda off the topic? (screw my first ?) i asked another one, but i cant find it, to many pages. It was about muscle car what is the translation now a days. I personaly think any car wiht 300 or more hp is a muscle car. what do u guys think?
It will go wayword

When a person comes to the Muscle car forums and compares an EVO to all the real American muscle, and saying that the American muscle has all become lawn dressing, well it does spark the people up to defend what they all know to be the best. It needs to stay in the Import section where it belongs, we all come here to talk about the good ol days when we built up our American muscle to do all the things that we expect of them.

When a person comes to the Muscle car forums and compares an EVO to all the real American muscle, and saying that the American muscle has all become lawn dressing, well it does spark the people up to defend what they all know to be the best. It needs to stay in the Import section where it belongs, we all come here to talk about the good ol days when we built up our American muscle to do all the things that we expect of them.



Whats my post got to do with waht u said? and does anyone know how to answer a question these days!!!!!!

OK lets get one thing streight, you are comparing a purpose built dragster aginst a high proformance street car. Even at that for the price of a ZL-1 Camaro you could put a WRX or an Evo into the low 11s or high 10s on streetable tires. I am not a muscle car basher like some "ricers" but I do give credit where credit is due, the Evo rocks. And consider more than just the 1/4 mile look at breaking 60-0 in 106ft! That is faster than the 360 Modena! Cornering at .97G that is a match for most supercars! 600ft slolom at over 71.6mph, that is the fastest production car that the world has ever seen! 0-30mph in .7 seconds! I don't care how you look at it that is one amazing car and you will not find a musclecar that will match it in overall proformance except for maby the new Viper (only a few even consider that a musclecar) I am not dissing anybody but you would have to be blind not to call that impressive for the amount that it costs.

First off you could buy a ZL1 right off the showroom floor, and yes thay were built to prove a point, and thay proved that point rather well. The point was this, that Chevy could build an ultra high performance car, the likes of whitch none other could beat, and still to this day, a car off the showroom floor has never done. Not your EVO or any other, well I guess the ZL1 Vette maybe did, but it's still proves the point. BTW the reason thay quit selling them was a cost issue, most people coulden't afford to buy them. :banghead:

The Japs have tweeked the Evos block to over 700hp I call that room for improvment don't you?
800 HP

And Chevy has a 800 HP 4 popper, of course with no torque to speak of, and once again America out does you lol. :screwy:

No I am not quoting that clone in SCC though I did see that article. The car that I am quoting was fetured in Motor Trend magazine not SCC, and it was not a clone, or at leased they did not mention that.
Not a real Yenko either.

The fact is a real sYc or Super Yenko Camaro ran QM times of 11.70,this is documented on the super car sites on the net, and in Car craft mag. I'm not just sitting making up fictitious number, all this stuff can be found at different places out on the net, google is a great tool for getting this info.