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Sorry Sami. I thought you meant on FB if any 1997 GTR's [longtails] raced in Brazil that year

Sorry Sami. I thought you meant on FB if any 1997 GTR's [longtails] raced in Brazil that year

Ok, well I didn't knew which one there raced; seems Team Bigazzi's #17R been in action?
I wonder why there isn't anything anywhere mentions of this race.......:crying:

Ok, well I didn't knew which one there raced; seems Team Bigazzi's #17R been in action?
I wonder why there isn't anything anywhere mentions of this race.......:crying:

Sami, type in Mil Milhas 1997 in your search function, pays to translate at the same time.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://blogdamilmilhas.blogspot.com/2011/04/suzane-carvalho.html&ei=FRgCT6eHIZCd8gPmtpW6AQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmil%2Bmilhas%2B1997%26hl%3Den%26biw%3 D1280%26bih%3D603%26prmd%3Dimvns


IIRC,The race was the last of the three, over the 96/97 period, 19/1/1997 chassis #18R was used for all three races.

Sami, type in Mil Milhas 1997 in your search function, pays to translate at the same time.
http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=pt&u=http://blogdamilmilhas.blogspot.com/2011/04/suzane-carvalho.html&ei=FRgCT6eHIZCd8gPmtpW6AQ&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=4&sqi=2&ved=0CDcQ7gEwAw&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dmil%2Bmilhas%2B1997%26hl%3Den%26biw%3 D1280%26bih%3D603%26prmd%3Dimvns


IIRC,The race was the last of the three, over the 96/97 period, 19/1/1997 chassis #18R was used for all three races.

OK; thanks. This cleared up very much indeed.:cool:

What chassis numbers are the 95 Gulf GTR'S? If they are already posted here I must have missed them.

#01R through to #08R; #09R never raced; from #10R onwards were the 96 GTR's

Greg - reading is fun-duh-mental. ;)

The original pair of Gulf GTRs were #02R and #04R. After #04R's heavy crash in practice at Jarama, #08R was substituted for the rest of the '95 season.

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ER

Thank you Erik and Greg,

As always you answered with more info than I expected which is always appreciated. Erik, I sometimes find myself wondering if you have a McLaren F1 encyclopedia at your side.:cool:

Any articles or pictures of #04R after the crash? And do you know who was driving at the time?

Greg - reading is fun-duh-mental. ;)

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Well deserved IMO! In that case Erik is spot on ;)

And lets make this clear this one time again:
Which chassis went to replace #14R to Japan after it's crash in Sugo?
I have allways difficulties to remember that. :uhoh:
Friday even searched the forum quite long time, but didn't find the it.

GTR #04R ...that should help you to remember. :grinyes:

The only thread you need to read: My 1000th post----- The whereabouts of GTR 04R? (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1010083)

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Any articles or pictures of #04R after the crash? And do you know who was driving at the time?

Despite somewhat feverish searching, no photos of the car in its damaged condition have ever been located. Lindsay Owen-Jones was at the wheel of the car when it crashed in free practice on the Thursday before the race. Tracks are usually not full of spectators then and even motorsport photographer, John Brooks, who followed the series along wasn't there yet at the track to capture any evidence.

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Erik; I think I will remember that after this night. :lol2:
And finally managed to get it clear and right one time on my blog! (http://kuvablogi.com/blog/1949/96/)

do we know where #08R is?

Of the three Gulf chassis numbers, #02R, #04R and #08R, which ones were the blue and orange cars?

I'm a little confused, I looked at pictures of the blue and orange cars and they are put up with different numbers attached to them. One of them is 12R. So what numbers are the blue and orange cars. Were their more than two of the blue and orange GTR's throughout the 95 season specifically? Perhaps one as a back-up if one crashed?

The 1996 Gulf GTRs were the blue and orange ones. They were #12R and #15R.

Might want to review the first post in this thread again.

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LMMike:

The information which I have, and got it here on the Forum:

- #02R, UK and If I have understand right, racespecs and some kind of rebuilding going on, what Ray has been told of the car THIS Thread (http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=1070095).

- #04R - informations are not sure, possibly written off or not. :(

- #07R and #08R road legal Papaya Orange painting.

-#12R still on GULF livery, without race number but has drivers names on the door, including Lehto.

- #15R last seen I think last year? Still in racespecs and GULF livery!

Went these right atleast close?

You mentioned #02R is getting rebuilt. Did you mean #05R because that's definitely happening, unless I've missed something seriously huge?

#04R is owned by McLaren, in the LARK livery minus the actual LARK text. It's going to Asia to be a showroom display car.

#02R isn't getting rebuilt. #05R is :)

And carbuilder, #08R is Bahrain-based

Great! We have discussion here!
Thanks!

But did Ray mentioned something of #02R? Or do I really now get it wrong?:uhoh:

OK, so Doc's image were #14R some kind of LARK livery that F1 gathering an year ago, today #14R is an orange like we have seen.
Sorry all, my bad memory now, but was #04R in the Gathering in Woking?! If it was, I must have missed it from the images.
(Here is the image what DocGTR added those days here)
http://24.imagebam.com/download/9mUYZHZQjCf0vOowdTcdag/12708/127074886/04R_MTC.jpg

So #04R isn't written off, I must see more closely these couple threads of that Sugo and other things when I can.....:smokin:

That is #04R.

OK. :uhoh:
Thanks.:smokin:

Sami, you made some mistakes :)

#02R is street legal, #08R not.

#05R is actually rebuilding.

Phil

#08R is road legal [at the very least in Bahrain, as it helps when you have family in high places]. All road-converted GTR's aren't road legal in America - it depends which area you want to be 'road legal' in ;)

There are ten GTR road legal in Uk including #05R. #08R is not road legal. Of course, they can do all they want there :)

Hi guys, is the papaya orange Mac of chassis 27R is a road going car?

Never been registered or converted for road use despite wearing the UK Registration plate 'CIA 4' for many years. Call it an unfulfilled dream of its former owner.

In the past two years it has been stripped of the plate and the orange paint and was restored to its original Yellow/Blue Parabolica livery. It was shown and run up the hill several times at last year's Goodwood Festival of Speed.

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so sad :(. But at the time it got the papaya paint job, was the car intended to be used on the roads?

I couldn't be happier that it was returned to the Parabolica livery.

It looks absolutely magnificent.

One less all Papaya GTR as well, even if it was a longtail and therefore easier for people to differentiate between that and an LM.

The orange paint went on the car when it was still racing in the British GT Series. There are a few twists to the story which have been covered here in the past. Ultimately it was never converted for road use despite some claims and indications to the contrary.

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Sami, you made some mistakes :)

#02R is street legal, #08R not.

#05R is actually rebuilding.

Phil

Hmm if #02R is street legal, where are the images of it? :uhoh:
#08R atleast Youtube has road clip of it, so more or less roadlegal, maybe Bahrain full racespec can be roadlegal, but maybe not in Europe...:uhoh:
#05R is staying racespecs?!

The orange paint went on the car when it was still racing in the British GT Series. There are a few twists to the story which have been covered here in the past. Ultimately it was never converted for road use despite some claims and indications to the contrary.

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Interesting enough for me though :). I plan to respray my diecast model of the Longtail GTR in orange; this adds further weight to the idea :smooch:

#02R was told me by someone who know.
#08R by someone who drove it.

Ok. Just need some images of both...:uhoh:

By the way; found this one couple of days ago, how right these informations are, meaning those chassis informations?
Quickly seen, nothing really seems to be wrong but Doc, Greg, Eric, Martin; could you check this also? :)
http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/enwiki/en/McLaren_F1_GTR#Chassis_history (http://www.multilingualarchive.com/ma/enwiki/en/McLaren_F1_GTR#Chassis_history)

It's a duplicate of what is written at Wikipedia.

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It's a duplicate of what is written at Wikipedia.

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OK, so nothing new then. :headshake

Guys, was there ever anything under the boot (frontal compartment) of the Mac GTRs ? I know that for road going Mac, there's a Kenwood stereo located inside the nose above the suspension, but what about the GTRs? And is it true that all Mac has hydraulics used in the butterfly doors' mechanism?

I couldn't locate any photos of a very early GTR with its bonnet cover off but here are some examples of what was there from about mid-1995 (Le Mans 24Hr race) onwards with most of them - in different states of disassembly of course. The sections of carbon tubing seen in some shots here channels air from the center of the nosepiece through the front section of the chassis and into hoses that cool the front brakes.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_5017547445_c5e5c28d21_b.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/5017547445_c5e5c28d21_b.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_3167096656_0f771dcfef_o.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/3167096656_0f771dcfef_o.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_39.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/39.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_67340643bk1_a.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/67340643bk1_a.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_26001368eg7_a.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/26001368eg7_a.jpg) http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_47127464hd8.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/47127464hd8.jpg)

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_79317_6_122_195lo.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/79317_6_122_195lo.jpg)

Yes - the GTRs also had the gas strut rod to keep the door open when it was lifted similar to what you'll find on many car's hatchback lids.

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ER

Hmm, very interesting. So you can actually remove the entire front bonnet off the car just like a Le mans GTP ?
How about the 2 covers for the exhaust compartments and the spoiler Peloton25? Is the spoiler supposed to be stuck onto the last rear cover like in this replication : http://www.legacydiecast.com/product_images/aa81040_4.jpg ?
I am working on a modification to the UT diecast model of the car, so all these information are gold to me ! Thanks a lot mate :)

On a sidenote, do the pictures of the frontal compartments mean that the frontal boot cover is detachable from the car? Or should it be stuck onto the body with hinges hmm

The bonnet cover was always a separate piece - even into the longtail GTRs.

Unless there's some magic going on in this shot it seems that the early GTRs utilized some kind of hinge at the forward edge of the bonnet cover like the road cars have. Then a couple of Dzus-style fasteners near the top corners were used to keep it closed. It does appear that it was fairly easily separated from the car though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_BBA_145.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/BBA_145.jpg)

Also located the shot I missed before of a GTR with the earlier style nose piece featuring those exposed NACA ducts and showing the bonnet cover off. Seems to be that the brake ductwork was there from the beginning as you can clearly see the connection points for it.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_4480895499_8057640609_l.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/4480895499_8057640609_l.jpg)

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Hmm the one i am looking to do the modding is this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320843185302?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_918wt_1395
Do you have some photos of its nose compartment and its spoiler opening functionality mate?

Hmm, very interesting. So you can actually remove the entire front bonnet off the car just like a Le mans GTP ?
How about the 2 covers for the exhaust compartments and the spoiler Peloton25? Is the spoiler supposed to be stuck onto the last rear cover like in this replication : http://www.legacydiecast.com/product_images/aa81040_4.jpg ?
I am working on a modification to the UT diecast model of the car, so all these information are gold to me ! Thanks a lot mate :)

Sorry - responding out of order here.

Unlike on a standard F1 road car, the rearward engine cover that would normally be hinged and cover the catalysts was a separate removable panel on the GTRs, held on by four Dzus-style fasteners. Here you can see the panel coming off #07R during a pit stop at Le Mans in 1995.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/th_DSC00029.jpg (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/DSC00029.jpg)

The wing uprights go down and connect to some fixed parts of the rear bodywork structure on either side below.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/51602915zq1.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/95_engine.jpg

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Hmm the one i am looking to do the modding is this: http://www.ebay.com/itm/320843185302?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649#ht_918wt_1395
Do you have some photos of its nose compartment and its spoiler opening functionality mate?

Here's the nose compartment on that one - same as all the others.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/eeb8a21f59d26cabc7c99a8468a2118620091010100133.jpg
Holy long original filename :eek:

I covered the rear section in the post above. :)

I'm off to sleep now but if you have more questions I am sure others here can assist or I'll be back around later on.

Be sure to come back here and share the changes you make to the model when you are finished with it. :)

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ER

Here's the nose compartment on that one - same as all the others.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/eeb8a21f59d26cabc7c99a8468a2118620091010100133.jpg
Holy long original filename :eek:

I covered the rear section in the post above. :)

I'm off to sleep now but if you have more questions I am sure others here can assist or I'll be back around later on.

Be sure to come back here and share the changes you make to the model when you are finished with it. :)

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ER

Many thanks mate ! Just to be sure, are those 2 carbon thingies on top removable like another covering lid of some sort?
According to the details acquired so far, i'm quite sure it's gonna be awesome once the mod is finished :)

Many thanks mate ! Just to be sure, are those 2 carbon thingies on top removable like another covering lid of some sort?
According to the details acquired so far, i'm quite sure it's gonna be awesome once the mod is finished :)

The V shape moulding you are looking at, is a one piece moulding, it feeds air to both front brakes via the central intake in the bumper and yes it is removeable for access to the master cylinder/reservoirs and front air jack etc.

Here is a shot of #01R in the pits at Le Mans with those carbon ducting removed

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/MHasui-1.jpg

Here is a shaky picture showing a slither of a peek inside the bonnet clearly showing 3 reservoirs....

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/01r36gn.jpg

Here is #13R's under-bonnet

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/DSC000281.jpg

and for long-tail reference here is #27R's under-bonnet sans front clip

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/DSCF9079Large.jpg

Thanks chaps !

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/51602915zq1.jpg[/IMG]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/95_engine.jpg

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Hey mate, from this picture it seems that the entire rear grille can be removed also, just to see the engine compartment?
Do you happen to own any more photos of the front bonnet (the removed piece - i am looking for close up shots on the front grille) and the engine ( from a horizontal viewpoint with the engine and its exhaust pipes)?

Here's a shot of the front clip of #27R off of the car

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/DSCF8989.jpg

and here is a shot of the engine, this time off a GULF longtail

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/468447422hNyUvu_fs.jpg

Ah what a great detail images here has been added. Many thanks again!!! :smokin:

Here's a shot of the front clip of #27R off of the car

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/DSCF8989.jpg

and here is a shot of the engine, this time off a GULF longtail

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/468447422hNyUvu_fs.jpg
Do you have any photo of the bonnet of the short tail taken from the side? I need to identify where i should begin cutting on the UT model

Do you have any photo of the bonnet of the short tail taken from the side? I need to identify where i should begin cutting on the UT model

Something along the lines of these?

#01R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/P1010021.jpg

#06R
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/DSCN2497.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/52138_IMG_0427_122_1026lo.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/83222893_KQ924Y2D__DSC1554.jpg

A great many thanks !
Was this FINA Bigazzi ever raced in Le Mans? The info on the UT dealer box said it was featured in the 1996 LM series. DO you happen to have photos of it during that race? I am looking for the proper decals now

A great many thanks !
Was this FINA Bigazzi ever raced in Le Mans? The info on the UT dealer box said it was featured in the 1996 LM series. DO you happen to have photos of it during that race? I am looking for the proper decals now

The car did indeed race at Le Mans in 1996. There are a few good photos of it in here courtesy of Mendaman:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/mendaman/sets/72157623915271810/with/5352299700/

There will probably also be some photos of it in the Le Mans 1996 annual if you can catch sight of a copy.

Another question mates: judging from this photo:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v245/hurstg01/DSCF9079Large.jpg
And this :
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v482/Peloton25/McLaren%20F1%20L/3167096656_0f771dcfef_o.jpg
It seems that there were other carbon fibre covers for the 2 giant radiators and the suspension? Were such features included on the short tails?

Photo 1 is Long tail photo 2 is Short tail as far as I am aware the differences displayed are correct for the two varieties.
There may have been minor differences between cars run by different teams but I would doubt if anything thaty significant.
It has to be remembered that the Long tail was more or less a pure bred racing machine where the Short tail was more production car based. (granted with quite a bit of modification)

Hmm that makes sense
Okay guys, new problem. Apparently creating an entirely new frontal compartment means i have to cut open the model, damaging the decals. I am planning on using the decals i can find for the longtail GTR of 1997 to apply on to the 1996 car (with one france flag together with a Union Jack on either side). Will that work?