Real R34 Output?

Shrieking Seizure · #1 03-15-2004, 09:16 AM

I know that Japan limits their cars to 280 horsepower, which the Skyline technically should have, shouldnt they?
But still i think both the Supra and the Skyline have performance on the fast side of 280 hp considering weight... and doesnt the Skyline have a AWD system? Im not sure...
Im only 14 and nooby so take it easy

VQuick · #2 03-15-2004, 11:33 AM

First off the limit is 280ps, a metric measurement for horsepower. You multiply by .986 to get 276hp.

The horsepower limit was more of a gentleman's agreement than anything else. It didn't stop manufacturers from exceeding the limit and not saying anything about it.

Ever wonder how GT-Rs continued to have such good performance even though they gained a bit of weight over the years? The R34 GT25 Turbo models were already producing '276hp,' but somehow the GT-R was much faster.
How did the US-spec Supra have 320hp, and the Japanese market Supra with '276hp' still have the same performance?
The same applies to the 320hp US market 3000GT VR-4 and the Japanese GTO VR-4.
The Evos continue to gain weight, yet are getting faster than ever.
What about the US market NSX with 290hp, while Honda of Japan continued to rate other faster versions, including the 2002 NSX-R, as still having only '276hp?'
Another example is the Nissan VQ turbo motor. The 2.5L turbo already made '276hp,' possibly more, and yet the 3L is still rated at '276hp.'

That said, some say that the R34 GT-R has up to 340hp.

Zwrangler · #3 03-15-2004, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by VQuick

The horsepower limit was more of a gentleman's agreement than anything else. It didn't stop manufacturers from exceeding the limit and not saying anything about it. Ever wonder how GT-Rs continued to have such good performance even though they gained a bit of weight over the years?

Some say the R34 GT-R has up to 340hp.

Exactly. Nissan claims that the GTR is only 280hp but thats only what it claims in order for the car to be legal in Japan. In reality its producing a lot more than a mere 280hp, hell the R34 GTR does the 1/4mile in 13.1 seconds stock standard, thats with a weight of over 3000lbs. No car with that much weight can pull a 13sec pass unless its pushing more than 280hp.

Shrieking Seizure · #4 03-15-2004, 04:06 PM

OK... I also suspected it of being more than 276 horsepower... but doesnt the government dyno the car in someway? I mean if a fool like me can spot that it probably has over 276 hp than shouldnt the government do the same? A big corporation couldnt really break the law like that, if its a law and not a Gentlemans agreement... just wondering... not that im complaining of course

i absolutely love the Skyline.

flylwsi · #5 03-15-2004, 04:38 PM

the hp rating is a gentlemen's agreement.
it's been known worldwide that the actual power is much higher...
it's not a law.
and it's been dropped more or less, anyways...

1viadrft · #6 03-15-2004, 06:25 PM

Yeah... it's agreement among the different Car companies in Japan not to go above a certain HP... it was made to avoid a HP war....

1viadrft · #7 03-15-2004, 06:27 PM

.... but I have recently heard of a new LAW concerning tuning of cars and limited HP for production cars... something about the new emission laws.

Shrieking Seizure · #8 03-16-2004, 09:19 AM

Thank you... but i dont see why honda isnt bothering to give its NSX some more hp if "others" dont follow the agreement.

1viadrft · #9 03-16-2004, 12:20 PM

You're in the wrong place to be praising the NSX... LoL... I think the NSX is just an overpriced Civic with some more HP...

Shrieking Seizure · #10 03-17-2004, 08:35 AM

I wasnt praising it, I was raising the question of WHY doesnt Honda give it more hp because its seriously underpowered as it IS.

VQuick · #11 03-17-2004, 02:32 PM

Power for the NSX-R, for example, could be around 300hp. Most models of the NSX already had 290hp after moving up to the 3.2L motor...at least in the US. The Japanese market cars probably got this motor in the same tune level, if not higher, and the NSX-R supposedly had further tuning done.

As for the next NSX, who knows. Rather than move the game on with a V8, or even a 3.5L V6, Honda is supposed to keep the 3.2L V6. Somehow, they expect torque to be at 315lb-ft, and right now the NSX barely makes 90lb-ft less than that.

flylwsi · #12 03-18-2004, 12:57 PM

actually, for what the NSX is, it's not that underpowered.
it could use more, but if you look at the ones offered in japan, such as the nsx-r, or type-s zero, they're plenty capable of running with the other cars that are there, including skylines.

it's about power to weight, not just tons of power...

i agree that in that case, the nsx would benefit from more power, but a low power rating doesn't mean a slow or poor handling car.

Drifter To Be · #13 03-19-2004, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VQuick

Power for the NSX-R, for example, could be around 300hp. Most models of the NSX already had 290hp after moving up to the 3.2L motor...at least in the US. The Japanese market cars probably got this motor in the same tune level, if not higher, and the NSX-R supposedly had further tuning done.

As for the next NSX, who knows. Rather than move the game on with a V8, or even a 3.5L V6, Honda is supposed to keep the 3.2L V6. Somehow, they expect torque to be at 315lb-ft, and right now the NSX barely makes 90lb-ft less than that.

yep the NSX might not have power advantage...
but it does have lower weight
and drive train advantage, its MR
also has awsome handling

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