same sex marriage?

[ROB3000GTVR4]

So how do you all feel about same sex marriage?I feel that it's not that big of a deal.If two people love eachother they should be able to get married different sex or not.

[Blaker14]

I agree

It is not hurting me or anyone else that gays are getting married

[YogsVR4]

There are some issues that may not jump right out at you - adoption being one of them.

If the topic refers to what is happening in California, remember, the biggest problem is that its against the law for same sex marriages. Until the law is changed, its illegal what the San Fransisco mayor is doing.

[jon@af]

I find it really really stupid that people make such a big deal out of something. Now, I myself do not condone homosexuality, but that does not give me the right to condemn those who are homosexual. The same is said for marriage between homosexuals. Who am I to protest someone elses choice to have a life with someone? Am I the only one that sees that this is discrimination? I mean honestly, just because they might not like it, doesn't mean that they are going to be seeing these people everyday for the rest of their lives. Why ruin someone else's life because you don't approve of it? I think that if this is the land of the free, people should be FREE to marry whom they choose and not have to be chastised because of it. Yeah G.W. you're the leader of the free world, yet you condemn someone's choice to marry another person, just because their sexual preference is different from your own. Good job.

[broddie50]

EXACTLY Yogs. Personally, I don't have a problem with it. But until there is a change in the law, every time a gay marriage happens, the mayor of S.F. is breaking the law, and should be held in the same light as a ordinary citizen when they break the law.

[2strokebloke]

It's a stupid non issue.
The more I hear the right pushing idiotic issues like bans on gay marriage, the more I think they should join the lefties, and push other stupid things, like anti smoking, and anti gun laws.
I don't plan on owning guns, I don't plan on smoking, I don't plan on marrying a man - but just because I wouldn't do it, doesn't mean it makes any sense whatsoever, for me to try and make it illegal for somebody else to do.
Another thing, so far as adoption goes... I would agree with Yogs, except that it doesn't matter whether your gay, married, or single - everybody has equal opportunity to be a shitty parent, so I don't think it matters as much as many people make it seem.
I personally wouldn't want to have two moms, or two dads, but if I had to choose, I'd rather take a gay couple over a crack whore mother, and an alcoholic father (and we let people like this marry and have children all day long!)

[taranaki]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

There are some issues that may not jump right out at you - adoption being one of them.

*Blank look* Sorry Yogs,where's the issue?I'm a hundred percent certain that prospective gay parents are all as good or as bad as the best and worst of straight parents.


It doesn't matter whether Cupid's arrow hits you in the heart or in the ass,at the end of the day it is still good to be a loving person.The same rules apply in my mind to straight and gay...keep it discreet,be sensitive about who you flirt with,and above all,do what makes you happy.

[spirit_r]

personally, i couldnt care less about gay marriages, who cares. i cant say i particularly enjoy seeing two guys make out, but whatever. as far as adoption goes, i would feel very sorry for that kid. i would kill myself if i was raised by two gay guys.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by taranaki

*Blank look* Sorry Yogs,where's the issue?I'm a hundred percent certain that prospective gay parents are all as good or as bad as the best and worst of straight parents.


It doesn't matter whether Cupid's arrow hits you in the heart or in the ass,at the end of the day it is still good to be a loving person.The same rules apply in my mind to straight and gay...keep it discreet,be sensitive about who you flirt with,and above all,do what makes you happy.

One of my sisters and I are adopted. We've talked about some of the "what ifs" such as the fact we were born a few years before Roe V Wade and if we had been adopted by a gay couple. I'm not going to go into the detail of the discussions but the net result is "NO THANKS!".

As you and the Bloke pointed out anyone could be a bad parent and a gay couple would be better then a crack whore, but they don't let crack whores adopt.

Jon, the reason why GW (among others) is talking about an amendment is that judges are issueing orders against the will of the people. In California, a proposition passed stating that marriage is between a man and a woman. Regardless of how the judge personally feels about he law, they are charged with upholding it.

The proposition may get thrown out, but until it does, the judge is not doing his job. Should a constitutional law be passed, a judge would not be able to so blatently inject their own prejudices into the proceedings.

In general, the only reason to pass laws like this is to curb judicial power. Its a good thing. Constitutional ammendments require two thirds of the states to agree with it (a super majority) so they are not added willy nilly.

Normally I am not much for the slipper slope argument, but what the judge is doing is opening the door for another judge to say that polygamy is ok. Using the "they care about each other" can be used to justify marrying a 12 year old. The point is a line has to be someplace. Perhaps civil unions are it, perhaps not.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Normally I am not much for the slipper slope argument, but what the judge is doing is opening the door for another judge to say that polygamy is ok. Using the "they care about each other" can be used to justify marrying a 12 year old. The point is a line has to be someplace. Perhaps civil unions are it, perhaps not.

The right to marry is one that is acquired when you reach the age of majority, so using the 12 year old argument is bogus.

What is wrong with polygamy? I don't see anything wrong with it, but then again, I'm not a Christian

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by taranaki

*Blank look* Sorry Yogs,where's the issue?I'm a hundred percent certain that prospective gay parents are all as good or as bad as the best and worst of straight parents.


It doesn't matter whether Cupid's arrow hits you in the heart or in the ass,at the end of the day it is still good to be a loving person.The same rules apply in my mind to straight and gay...keep it discreet,be sensitive about who you flirt with,and above all,do what makes you happy.

They may make great parents. But the torment that the child(ren) will undoubtably indur makes it extremely questionable. I've grown up seeing who makes fun of who and always been on the inside of that circle. So I know that kids will cause tremendous pain children who are adopted by gays.

My position is this. I'm not against gays having some sort of life commitment thing, but I'm old fashioned and believe, and always will believe marriage is between a man and a women. I have nothing against gays at all, I just feel this way about how marriage is defined.

[vettemaan]

simpily put-

Marage is between one man and one woman.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Cbass

The right to marry is one that is acquired when you reach the age of majority, so using the 12 year old argument is bogus.

What is wrong with polygamy? I don't see anything wrong with it, but then again, I'm not a Christian

Majority? I'll assume you meant maturity. Either way, I am still right. Maturity is dictated by an age dictated by society. Marriage was dicated by society as a man and a woman. If the mayor can go against societies wishes in issueing marraige certificates, then someone who wants to marry a 12 year old should just find a judge that believes 12 year olds are mature and doesn't care what society says.


I'd hate to be the one filling in the paper work for diving up social security checks to all your wives.

[jon@af]

Originally Posted by vettemaan

simpily put-

Marage is between one man and one woman.

I agree, but that's not to say that denying people who are of the same sex, a union just because they are homosexual is right. I just think that if they're going to give rights to marry, it should apply to anyone. It's discrimination otherwise.

[2strokebloke]

I only see the dim wits in society caring enough to say it's wrong. Perhaps, society won't dictate that marriage between a man and a woman, is the only way to have a marriage? I still don't see it as a problem, except to those who don't feel they have enough to complain about already (on both sides of the argument)