Same Sex Marriage in Massachusetts

[Jay!]

Do you think these will be overturned?
What impact do you think this will have on the forthcoming marriage amendment?


Nation's first same-sex marriages fuel debate
USA Today

Despite Uncertainties, Out-of-Staters Line Up to Marry
New York Times

Gay marriages meet frosty silence
BBC News

Altared State in Mass . Town
Washington Post

[YogsVR4]

They should change the definition of marriage.

Allow anyone to marry anyone else or mutliple people. Heck, if someone wants to marry a sheep, then by all means.

Make it a one year contract that has to be renewed. That way, there are no divorces. People just go their seperate ways and kids become the wards of the state.

All government forms should be altered to have an open ended number of spouses.

New terms should be created for people as well. Keep the originals and add BB (butt buddy) CL (crack licker) and ILI (indeterminate love intrest)






My only objection is to adoption. I could give two shits where someone wants to stick their tongue or other appendages but I do care where children end up. I think the people who are giving up the child should dictate the type of home environment it ends up in.

[Raz_Kaz]

Gee I don't think that in a gay mariage religion should be involved because that's what fuels the debate more and more. If same sex marriages are allowed, I propose that they have it legally and not do the whole religious thing with the priest and bible thing (sorry not married yet and not a christian/catholic either so don't know exactly what goes on). Also I believe that sexual orientation is a choice, and that chioce should not be forced upon the world, and as they have a choice to chose their partner, I also have a choice to find it humorous.

[Cbass]

The very fact that there are people making an issue about this saddens me, and just goes to show how much power religious fanatics and homophobes in general have in the US today.

[YogsVR4]

Originally Posted by Cbass

The very fact that there are people making an issue about this saddens me, and just goes to show how much power religious fanatics and homophobes in general have in the US today.

How many countries allow same sex marriages? Only a few. In fact, most continents don't have a single country that does. Several allow for civil unions (which, I know, amount to the same thing).

I don't see China in this list and they recognize no religion. I guess that means Chinese must be homophobic The same can be said for North Korea and Japan.

Belgium: Legalized gay marriage in 2002.

Britain: Plans to introduce legislation soon authorizing civil unions giving gay couples legal recognition with most of the rights enjoyed by married partners.

Canada: Considering legislation to legalize gay marriage.

Denmark: The first country to legalize same-sex unions in 1989, later giving couples adoption rights. Other Nordic countries followed in the 1990s.

France: Allows civil unions since 2000.

Germany: Introduced civil unions in 2001.

The Netherlands: Became the first country to legalize gay marriages outright in 2001.

Portugal: Lesbian and gay couples who live together acquire the same rights as heterosexuals in common-law marriages.

Spain: Like most Roman Catholic countries, Spain does not recognize gay unions. But some northern regions, such as Navarra and the Basque country, recognize gay common-law couples and accord them rights of spouses.

South Africa: Recognized gay rights in its constitution after apartheid ended in 1994. Activists are preparing litigation to have the common law definition of marriage extended to include same-sex couples.

Switzerland: Its largest city, Zurich, started recognizing registered gay couples last July. Geneva also recognizes same-sex couples, although grants them fewer rights. Swiss authorities are considering whether to introduce a national law to harmonize treatment throughout the country.



Like I said, I could are less who wants to marry what and stick whatever into whichever orrifice they want. Its just sad how often anyone who disagrees with you is a religious fanatic, homophobe or whatever other derogatory synonym you can come up with.

[TexasF355F1]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

My only objection is to adoption. I could give two shits where someone wants to stick their tongue or other appendages but I do care where children end up. I think the people who are giving up the child should dictate the type of home environment it ends up in.

That's my biggest problem with it too. They think kids are going to get teased b/c they fail a grade, these kids are going to get harrassed beyond the point of no return.

[jcz1987]

I don't really care about the gay marriage. The only thing I care about is that they make such a fuss about it. They are human and deserve as much rights as anyone does. Besides the Constitution says that all peaople are created equal.

[Jay!]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

My only objection is to adoption. I could give two shits where someone wants to stick their tongue or other appendages but I do care where children end up. I think the people who are giving up the child should dictate the type of home environment it ends up in.

I don't fully understand the impact of this on adoption. Is it that now that these couples are married, they will be more likely to be approved and allowed to adopt children than single people or unmarried couples would? Do you mean that the home environment of a same-sex couple is necessarilly significantly different from that of a heterosexual couple, or for that matter, that of a single adoptive parent?

Regarding the second part, who's place is it to say what adoptive parent(s) are best for a child when the biological parent has no preference, or even no contact whatsoever with the system, such as the case here in California where a newborn can be dropped off anonymously at a hospital?

[FireBball972]

ugggh, they need to ban gay marriage......its just starting to become a huge mess, plus i'm totally against it. amend the constitution defining marriage as between a man and a woman, and leave it at that

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

How many countries allow same sex marriages? Only a few. In fact, most continents don't have a single country that does. Several allow for civil unions (which, I know, amount to the same thing).

I don't see China in this list and they recognize no religion. I guess that means Chinese must be homophobic The same can be said for North Korea and Japan.

Belgium: Legalized gay marriage in 2002.

Britain: Plans to introduce legislation soon authorizing civil unions giving gay couples legal recognition with most of the rights enjoyed by married partners.

Canada: Considering legislation to legalize gay marriage.

Denmark: The first country to legalize same-sex unions in 1989, later giving couples adoption rights. Other Nordic countries followed in the 1990s.

France: Allows civil unions since 2000.

Germany: Introduced civil unions in 2001.

The Netherlands: Became the first country to legalize gay marriages outright in 2001.

Portugal: Lesbian and gay couples who live together acquire the same rights as heterosexuals in common-law marriages.

Spain: Like most Roman Catholic countries, Spain does not recognize gay unions. But some northern regions, such as Navarra and the Basque country, recognize gay common-law couples and accord them rights of spouses.

South Africa: Recognized gay rights in its constitution after apartheid ended in 1994. Activists are preparing litigation to have the common law definition of marriage extended to include same-sex couples.

Switzerland: Its largest city, Zurich, started recognizing registered gay couples last July. Geneva also recognizes same-sex couples, although grants them fewer rights. Swiss authorities are considering whether to introduce a national law to harmonize treatment throughout the country.

I see you have a who's who list, of countries with a good record of embracing social change in the 20th century. Well, with the exception of South Africa during the Apartheid years...

Oh, and by the way, Canada has had same sex commonlaw laws since 1999, and in my province as well as Ontario, same sex marriage is legal.

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Its just sad how often anyone who disagrees with you is a religious fanatic, homophobe or whatever other derogatory synonym you can come up with.

Why don't you provide me with some instances of my comments like that? I'll debate them point by point, if you'd like.

[YogsVR4]

Case in point is this thread.

[Cbass]

Originally Posted by YogsVR4

Case in point is this thread.

Alright, in this particular instance, what are the reasons that people do not want same sex marriage legalized?

Religion, and homophobia.

I hear the argument from the Christians "it detracts from the sanctity of marriage, which is between a man and a woman, under the law of god!". They rant on incessantly about how it's sinful, and how the bible says they're all going to hell, and the politicians are anti-christian, etc. They're willing to bitch, protest, and make a huge fuss over something that is none of their business at all, simply because of their religious beliefs. I call that fanaticism.

I hear the argument from others that they don't think same sex couples should be together at all, let alone be allowed to live in matrimony. They are disturbed by the very notion of a man having sexual relations with another man, let alone be in love and want to spend the rest of their lives together. I call that homophobia, they don't understand gays, they're afraid of them, quite possibly in doubt of their own sexuality, and that is the way they respond.

Got any other instances of me labeling those who disagree with me?

[Raz_Kaz]

Originally Posted by Cbass

Alright, in this particular instance, what are the reasons that people do not want same sex marriage legalized?

Religion, and homophobia.

I hear the argument from the Christians "it detracts from the sanctity of marriage, which is between a man and a woman, under the law of god!". They rant on incessantly about how it's sinful, and how the bible says they're all going to hell, and the politicians are anti-christian, etc. They're willing to bitch, protest, and make a huge fuss over something that is none of their business at all, simply because of their religious beliefs. I call that fanaticism.

I hear the argument from others that they don't think same sex couples should be together at all, let alone be allowed to live in matrimony. They are disturbed by the very notion of a man having sexual relations with another man, let alone be in love and want to spend the rest of their lives together. I call that homophobia, they don't understand gays, they're afraid of them, quite possibly in doubt of their own sexuality, and that is the way they respond.

Got any other instances of me labeling those who disagree with me?

That is very true which is why I stated earlier that most of the debate against same sex marriage or recognition is religion. Which is why they should come up with a way for same sex partners to be legally married and have a legal status of a couple, but leave religion out of it.

[CarSuperfreak]

The only problem with leaving religion out of it, is that religion is at the center of it.
For (most) everyone opposing same-sex marriage, it is based on religious convictions. Christians (like myself) are so opposed to it because the basis of our beliefs (the Bible) speaks so adamently against it.
While I agree with Cbass on the fact that there are some fanatics, and we all know there are. people bombing abortion clinics to stop the killing of the fetus.....very hypocritical (i know its a different topic and i don't mean to bring it up except to us it as an example). Christians, since the beginning, were instructed to "Therefore go and make disciples of all nations." This is why we feel so compelled to speak out about our concerns for where this country, and the world, is headed.
There is a right way, and a very wrong way to do this. The people who are yelling and screaming and causing riots are doing it the wrong way, yes. But as with anything, it is hard to judge a huge group of people by the actions of a few. Unfortunatly, these few people who make these huge scenes are good at putting all Christians into a class of near-fanatics.

-Jason

[DGB454]

The thing I don't understand is why they need the word marriage. That seems to be a bit of a sticking point from what I have been hearing. What's wrong with civil union or just make up another word. I find that a little odd.