civic around the track

[BLU CIVIC]

http://my.so-net.net.tw/s3sport323/cv4.wmv

[flylwsi]

damn you...
you beat me to it!

[Soyo]

I feel the end approaching...

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally Posted by flylwsi

damn you...
you beat me to it!

i wonder how long it took hime to master that

[Soyo]

I'm sure it didn't take too long, as long as he had an available track to practice on and the right set-up and plenty of money it would be easy if you ask me... personally I think that if I was rich and had access to a track I could learn that fairly quick, but it would take a long time to learn to REALLY DRIFT as in a RWD car

[Corey I RanciD]

Want to tell me why that's any easier than drifting an FR?

[Soyo]

well first off I've owned both, and I e-braked my FF all the time, around corners, into my driveway, around light posts(slalom style), around speed bumps(slalom style), jacker around in parking lots, the best time was when my friend, who has a 96 eclipse turbo, and me went threw our neighborhood e-braking around every corner, as in like turn left off one block and go down to the next block going sideways... it was so easy, I never wrecked, came close to wrecking, just had bad tires. and in my rx7 it is so much freakin harder, you have to acctually use a technique in a RWD, but in a FF you just pull the e-brake and kinda go down, up, down, up, same with the gas...

plus with a FF you aren't ever out of control, you don't spin out or anything, and if your horrible enough to mess up(not sure how you'd do that) just straighten the wheel, drop the e-brake and ease into the gas and your in total control, not that you were ever really out of control...

in RWD you can get your back end too far around and spin out, you have to use different techniques, not just turn the wheel and pull the e-brake like on a FF. and on RWD your tires actually spin the whole time and you have to know what your doing.

my cousin is THE WORST DRIVER EVER, a lot of people say girls can't drive, well he drives like hes a 5 year old girl, its terrible, he know nothing about cars or drifting and he can e-brake like crazy, slalom around stuff and everything...

now, this is right from www.d1g.com and I think they'd know what it is...
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What is drifting?

Drifting is a high-skill level motorsport in which drivers control a car while it slides from side to side at high speed through a marked course. It is similar to rally racing, but is done on a closed, paved course and judged on execution and style rather than just who finishes the fastest. Drift cars are typically smaller, lightweight, and rear-wheel-drive. The goal is to apply enough power to the rear wheels to break the tires' traction and initiate a slide, or "drift." Once a drift is initiated, it must be maintained through the turn using a precise balance of power, braking and steering.

To the uninitiated it's a wild display of controlled chaos. But when professionally executed, a drifting vehicle is a thing of beauty and grace not unlike figure skating (albeit much faster and louder).
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notice they say RWD cars that must apply enough power to break the tires traction... so if the tires aint spinnin you aint driftin... that the fact of it, if you FF people want to start a new style you could call it power sliding, but thats about as close as you'll ever get.

[BLU CIVIC]

WHAT'S UP WITH THE WHOLE

if you FF people want to start a new style you could call it power sliding, but thats about as close as you'll ever get.

this isn't a debate about ff drifting....and his question was why was it easier that FR not the definition of what drifting it...by now everyone knows what drifting is and people who drift FR also powerslide....but that's enough of my rant

[jdmkenji]

hahahhaa, i can see the hate post coming... props to the guy who can do that... who cares what DRIFTING is and FF IS ASS DRAGGIN...

shut up and get it sideways... or just shut up if you can't

[flylwsi]

all this is, is a cool video...
and now it's an ff/fr debate...
gotta love that.

[Corey I RanciD]

Originally Posted by Soyo

well first off I've owned both, and I e-braked my FF all the time, around corners, into my driveway, around light posts(slalom style), around speed bumps(slalom style), jacker around in parking lots, the best time was when my friend, who has a 96 eclipse turbo, and me went threw our neighborhood e-braking around every corner, as in like turn left off one block and go down to the next block going sideways... it was so easy, I never wrecked, came close to wrecking, just had bad tires. and in my rx7 it is so much freakin harder, you have to acctually use a technique in a RWD, but in a FF you just pull the e-brake and kinda go down, up, down, up, same with the gas...

plus with a FF you aren't ever out of control, you don't spin out or anything, and if your horrible enough to mess up(not sure how you'd do that) just straighten the wheel, drop the e-brake and ease into the gas and your in total control, not that you were ever really out of control...

in RWD you can get your back end too far around and spin out, you have to use different techniques, not just turn the wheel and pull the e-brake like on a FF. and on RWD your tires actually spin the whole time and you have to know what your doing.

my cousin is THE WORST DRIVER EVER, a lot of people say girls can't drive, well he drives like hes a 5 year old girl, its terrible, he know nothing about cars or drifting and he can e-brake like crazy, slalom around stuff and everything...

now, this is right from www.d1g.com and I think they'd know what it is...
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What is drifting?

Drifting is a high-skill level motorsport in which drivers control a car while it slides from side to side at high speed through a marked course. It is similar to rally racing, but is done on a closed, paved course and judged on execution and style rather than just who finishes the fastest. Drift cars are typically smaller, lightweight, and rear-wheel-drive. The goal is to apply enough power to the rear wheels to break the tires' traction and initiate a slide, or "drift." Once a drift is initiated, it must be maintained through the turn using a precise balance of power, braking and steering.

To the uninitiated it's a wild display of controlled chaos. But when professionally executed, a drifting vehicle is a thing of beauty and grace not unlike figure skating (albeit much faster and louder).
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notice they say RWD cars that must apply enough power to break the tires traction... so if the tires aint spinnin you aint driftin... that the fact of it, if you FF people want to start a new style you could call it power sliding, but thats about as close as you'll ever get.

I drive an MR car, arguably the hardest to drift because of snap oversteer tendencies and rear weight bias, and I can't drift in FF at all. It sounds more like you learned some good techniques driving FF and became profficient at drifting in your Civic, then when you switched to the RX-7 they no longer worked with an FR drivetrain.

[Soyo]

I didn't have a civic(thank God) I had a '90 plymouth laser, piece of trash car, but I don't try anything the same in my FR car, I just haven't had much time to test things out yet since its been icy and snowy, and now the clutch is out... but I will deffinately agree its said that MR is the hardest to drift, never tried it but thats what I hear from everyone who has. I've seen some nice mr2 drift videos though so its far from impossible thats for sure...

but anyways, its not like its a totally simple thing to do in FF cars, but if you've driven one very long and enough to know how your car handles it is really easy to judge where the car is going and keep it going where you want it. but in a FR its more unpredictable, thus making it harder, thats what I consider being hard. cuz if I can predict exactly what the car will do in every situation it just seems so easy... but FR is just more out of control

basically this would never be anything anyone would argue about... if it wasn't for the fagg ricers that say "I can drift my civic!" just cuz they can e-brake around a corner. if it wasn't for them FR people wouldn't be so worried about FF people making videos like this one, we just happen to be very found of our dear drifting, and don't like anything that threatens its reputation... but basically as long as people with FF don't call it drifting they can do whatever they want, because by definition, its not drifting and thats all there is to it. I mean you don't see us getting mad at AWD people, because by definition they are drifting(rear wheels break traction and spin throughout the whole thing)

so don't call it drifting and everything will be ok

[2strokebloke]

Please no more arguing over the whole FF, FR thing. It's a stupid discussion that this forum in it's short existense has already had too many times.

First off, "by definition" ANY CAR, with ANY drivetrain configuration can drift. end of story Too many people believe that only rear-wheel drive cars can "drift" because when they think of drifting, they only think of "power-on" drifting, that is breaking the traction of the rear wheels by giving them power. This is only one of many different ways to drift a car, and is not the end-all, be-all technique. Just as using the parking brake is only one of several ways to get an FF car sideways, it's not the only way, and it's the easiest. There are other ways, for those more understanding of how their car responds to throttle, such as inducing oversteer by lifting off of the throttle, etc. It takes time to learn different techniques to control different cars.

Anyway, that's my two cents. I would ask on behalf of everybody here, to cease the FF/FR argument - if you still don't like it feel free to PM me and complain. But if it continues in this thread, this thread will probably be closed.

EDIT: also just to file away in your "misc info" folder, a powerslide with an FF car, would result in understeer, not oversteer. And while technically, understeer is exceeding a car lateral traction (a "drift") it is the exact opposite motion than that most of us tend to think of when we read the word "drifting"

[Suislide]

2stroke is correct. this thread is a simple post about a video. comment on the video if you'd like, BUT if the FF/FR debate (never-ending debate that this forum has had too much trouble with in the past) continues, this thread will be closed without notice.

drop it now and focus on the topic at hand. the video.

[Soyo]

ok well since the Japanese came up with drifting, and said its when the rear wheels break traction and spin it is a drift, then I believe its correct, I could care less what you have to say about it cuz the fact is, FF CAN NOT DRIFT!!

and you say exceeding a cars lateral acceleration is a drift, this is only somewhat true, because the back wheels must also break traction and spin. end of discussion.

you might as well close this thread cuz I'm gonna argue it untill you do because I know I'm right and I'm not big on leaving incorrect information uncorrected.

nice ASS DRAG/E-BRAKE/POWER SLIDE video though, too bad its has nothing to do with drifting... maybe a mod should move it to the correct forum.