integra ls vs. gsr

[integratool666]

im looking at getting an integra, but im so damn confused on which to get - the ls, or gsr. i have heard the ls is better for modding, and the gsr doesn't have as much potential - everything - i want to eventually supercharge it , but whats the better thing to do - get an ls, and turn it into a frank? or keep the stock ls, or get new heads, im confused !!!!!!!

[BLU CIVIC]

there are lots of subjects like this....do a search and u'll find ur answer

[integratool666]

im just asking for an opinion - or someone who went the frank route or gsr route - if it was worth it - or what they would recomend - thanks

[xsimpleaznx]

gsr = ls turbo about the same price range, power, gsr loses to ls turbo.
superchargers get bad play on this forum, but depends on the power youre looking for

[tegGSRrider]

revhard stage 2 turbo kit for gsr--

that sound good?

[integratool666]

Originally Posted by tegGSRrider

revhard stage 2 turbo kit for gsr--

that sound good?

sure - but what about the franks? - are those a pain - can you get good power of of them?

[knorwj]

which frank, be more specific. there is more than one type of franken engine.

lsvtec, and crvtec are most common.

[integratool666]

im looking at an ls frank - for example with a b16a head on it - i think thats it - im not too familiar with the franks - how easy are they to do? and do you know which one can make a 4dr fastest?
is vtec the way to go either way - or get non vtec?
eventually im thinking about a supercharger or turbo - which one would be most benificial - to which engine also?

[civic15.8]

everyone has there own opinion on the vtec subject so ls/vtec or frank. are not hard to do if you know what you are doing but i dont think it would be worht it but that is just my opinion i would say to just keep the ls stock and turbo it witht the right tuning you could get a stock ls in to the 13's. Then if your budget is ok then get rods pistons and head work and up the boost to really do some butt kicking. the ls turbo is the route i went and im not disappointed

[K P]

Originally Posted by civic15.8

everyone has there own opinion on the vtec subject so ls/vtec or frank. are not hard to do if you know what you are doing but i dont think it would be worht it but that is just my opinion i would say to just keep the ls stock and turbo it witht the right tuning you could get a stock ls in to the 13's. Then if your budget is ok then get rods pistons and head work and up the boost to really do some butt kicking. the ls turbo is the route i went and im not disappointed

I'm with you on that. Besides the ls is a better engine in my oppinion. I jacked out my 1990 and she treats me VERY good. I would still like to do a swap for something bigger but to start I definately feel the turboed ls is a good way to go. As far as the frank goes it would be too much work.

[integratool666]

yeah - that does make sence - franks are kinda a pain in the ass - so you can get a stock ls in the 13s? how much $ would you have to put into it? cuz i like the turbo ls idea

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by integratool666

yeah - that does make sence - franks are kinda a pain in the ass - so you can get a stock ls in the 13s? how much $ would you have to put into it? cuz i like the turbo ls idea

Just the price of the turbo kit should get you 14's. But, you should get better exhaust, and a good clutch. With traction and good reaction times you should get 13's no problem with 10 PSI boost on an LS. Stock internals(if not too worn out)can handle 12 PSI safely. At 14 or so PSI the pistons start melting, rods start breaking, and over 15 PSI the stock cylinder sleeves start cracking.

Yes franks are too much of a pain. Plus they up your compression due to the smaller combustion chamber. Then you can't run as much boost.

[sameintheend01]

Originally Posted by PWMAN

Plus they up your compression due to the smaller combustion chamber.

Err, isn't the other way around? Larger compression chamber would make MORE compression.

[PWMAN]

Originally Posted by sameintheend01

Err, isn't the other way around? Larger compression chamber would make MORE compression.

First off it's called Combustion chamber, not compression chamber. Think of it this way, if you have a smaller combustion chamber the cylinder is compressing air into a smaller space. Make sense?

[CrXb18c1]

Can we just the the Ls/vtec better than GSR.....isn't that right?? also the Ls/vtec/ plus turbo is way better than GSR..That's all I know ..if anyone else got any idea..please add them up..