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Old 08-05-2003, 07:39 PM
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Openly Gay Bishop accepted by Episcopal church

This is a somewhat touchy subject in that it deals not only with morality, but religion at the same time. I myself believe in God and have read the bible, and understand that homosexuality is not something looked at as good by God. However, there are those of you who roam these boards who may be athiest, agnostic or what have you, and I am curious as to your thoughts on this as well. My thought is it's going against God in that a homosexual is being accepted into the church when in all truth, his lifestyle is considered "ungodly" by the bible. However, at the same time, he is preaching the word of God and obviously believes in God very much, or he wouldnt even be in this position would he? At this point I would like to say that Im not at all against people who are homosexual, just in case someone might try to pull that on me and call me homophobic. Im basically posing the question, if this man is preaching Gods word, and is devoting his life to it, does it matter that he's a homosexual?
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I'm with you, i don't believe it to be right but whatever.
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he believes in god, i think thats all that really matters. However, that is just my
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I don't think there is any grey area on the matter here, I don't think the man should be allowed to be a bishop in the church and openly homosexual.
I don't have anything against homosexual people so long as they aren't trying to force the issue in my face, but I do have a problem with the church setting this precedent.
The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is morally incorrect, so how can the same person be openly homosexual AND tell me to live my life according to the 'Word of God'?
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I don't think there is any grey area on the matter here, I don't think the man should be allowed to be a bishop in the church and openly homosexual.
I don't have anything against homosexual people so long as they aren't trying to force the issue in my face, but I do have a problem with the church setting this precedent.
The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is morally incorrect, so how can the same person be openly homosexual AND tell me to live my life according to the 'Word of God'?
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Old 08-06-2003, 11:07 AM
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The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is morally incorrect, so how can the same person be openly homosexual AND tell me to live my life according to the 'Word of God'?
I have the same issue. The fact he waited till the day before the vote to announce this little "gem" indicates to me that he has an agenda to push in the church.













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I have the same issue. The fact he waited till the day before the vote to announce this little "gem" indicates to me that he has an agenda to push in the church.
Seems more political than Godly, if you know what I mean....

The fact that he has children also indicates that he 'was' straight previously too which makes it even more sickening and wrong to me.

I would love to hear his sermon on 'Sodom and Gomorrah' now....
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Nothing against homosexuals here, but with all the problems this particular religious body is going through, I think it's a poor decision and is just more negativity to deal with.

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The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is morally incorrect, so how can the same person be openly homosexual AND tell me to live my life according to the 'Word of God'?
If you think about it, almost nobody practices everything he or she preaches, this issue is just a more dividing one.
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The simple and sad fact is that if he DIDN'T get hired he would have sued the hell out of the Church, claiming emotional distress, discrimination, what else, social prejudice, really whatever he could get his hands on, UNTIL they either gave him lots of money to shut up, OR hired him.

It's a lose, lose, situation. They either hire him and know that it's "wrong" and it goes against everything the Bible says. Or they give him lots of money and then the Church looks like a bunch of Homophobes that think if they give enough money to their problem, that it'll go away.

You now know that this isn't the last case of a homosexual man or woman to try and become a minister, preist what have you. This is only the beginning. And if they have two people that have the same credentials and one is gay, and the other one isn't, and they hire the heterosexual one the media will be ALL over that.
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The simple and sad fact is that if he DIDN'T get hired he would have sued the hell out of the Church, claiming emotional distress, discrimination, what else, social prejudice, really whatever he could get his hands on, UNTIL they either gave him lots of money to shut up, OR hired him.

It's a lose, lose, situation. They either hire him and know that it's "wrong" and it goes against everything the Bible says. Or they give him lots of money and then the Church looks like a bunch of Homophobes that think if they give enough money to their problem, that it'll go away.

You now know that this isn't the last case of a homosexual man or woman to try and become a minister, preist what have you. This is only the beginning. And if they have two people that have the same credentials and one is gay, and the other one isn't, and they hire the heterosexual one the media will be ALL over that.
A sad but true point.
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WTF is the US coming to? A homosexual bishop!! Morals are degrading in America and it is pissing me off! That is such hypocracy and it is just absolutely ridiculous. I wonder what kinds of confessions he likes to hear.....
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I wonder what kinds of confessions he likes to hear.....
I wasn't aware the Episcopal Church did the confession thing....
My Uncle was a 'High Priest' in the Anglican Church and they didn't hear confession.....
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I wasn't aware the Episcopal Church did the confession thing....
My Uncle was a 'High Priest' in the Anglican Church and they didn't hear confession.....
Interesting.....I was under the impression they did.....
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Interesting.....I was under the impression they did.....
Like I said, I was under the opposite impression, I may be wrong.

I could imagine it though....

Confessor: Forgive me Father, I have sinned.
Bishop: Tell me your sins my child
C: I lay with another man
B: What are you doing on Friday, would you like to get together?




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