94 PU running after parked won't start

[Chetco]

PU v6 silv. was running fine drove it home parked then the next day it just turns over. No hint of trying to fire. HELP

[MT-2500]

Originally Posted by Chetco

PU v6 silv. was running fine drove it home parked then the next day it just turns over. No hint of trying to fire. HELP

First check for lose of spark from coil and to plugs or fuel pressure and let us know what you do no have.

[Chetco]

Checking today now I've got some direction

[brcidd]

I ususally try giving it a shot of carb cleaner- if it runs, then fuel delivery is your issue.

[j cAT]

Originally Posted by Chetco

PU v6 silv. was running fine drove it home parked then the next day it just turns over. No hint of trying to fire. HELP

cranking and no start when cold my guess is fuel pump..check fuses and listen for pump hum when key on no cranking ...if pump does not run give the fuel tank a tap or two see if it starts..

as mentioned give intake a squirt of fuel see if it starts up for a short time..

if you had a low fuel supply the pump could have locked up...

[Chetco]

Checked fuses OK sprayed carb cleaner not even a cough wirer's are all good.Have a fellow coming over that gives senior Vet's a deal . Will keep everyone posted.

[Chetco]

Answer Found Fuel pump was the problem (intermitent) had the PU towed to a shop . Took $368.00 to get repaired lots of money to an old guy.

[brcidd]

Be glad it wasn't an OBDII truck (96+) - that FP repair would have been twice as much!!

[j cAT]

Originally Posted by Chetco

Answer Found Fuel pump was the problem (intermitent) had the PU towed to a shop . Took $368.00 to get repaired lots of money to an old guy.

being a very old vehicle you have to expect these type of failures. 360.oo for a repair shop to repair this is good price. these pump are expensive.. replace fuel filters every couple of years and keep fuel level above the 1/4 mark.. you don't want to do this again.

[Schurkey]

Originally Posted by j cAT

being a very old vehicle you have to expect these type of failures. 360.oo for a repair shop to repair this is good price. these pump are expensive.

The pumps are relatively cheap--$35 to $100 "internet price", plus another five for the inlet strainer. The TBI pumps are towards the cheaper end. Labor is the killer. Either the tank comes down or the bed of the truck comes up. I've done it both ways; if the bolts aren't rusted taking the bed up is probably the way to do it. In my case, the bolts were so seized I could hardly get 'em out; I'd have been better off to drop the tank. (the bed of my truck is hanging off of a chain and engine hoist RIGHT NOW. First pump (Airtex E3210) turned out to be made in China; I sent it back. Second fuel pump (A-C Delco EP241) has shipped but not arrived. I'm scared that the Delco pump will also be Communist crap, and I'll have to order a third pump!

Very similar fuel pump on my '93 Lumina. Internet price for the Delco pump is about $70. Cost me $650 installed, with the "tourist surcharge" at an out-of-town shop where the car died.

Originally Posted by j cAT

replace fuel filters every couple of years and keep fuel level above the 1/4 mark.. you don't want to do this again.

The pumps are cooled by the fuel, keeping the fuel level higher does seem to help longevity. Replace the fuel filter when it begins to plug...which may or may not be a two-year deal. Problem, of course, is figuring out when the filter is plugging. As a Do-it-yourselfer, drop the filter out, empty the gas out of the filter, and blow into the inlet. If it's restricted...put in a new one. If not, screw the old filter right back on.

Filters last me five--ten years.

[j cAT]

Originally Posted by Schurkey

The pumps are relatively cheap--$35 to $100 "internet price", plus another five for the inlet strainer. The TBI pumps are towards the cheaper end. Labor is the killer. Either the tank comes down or the bed of the truck comes up. I've done it both ways; if the bolts aren't rusted taking the bed up is probably the way to do it. In my case, the bolts were so seized I could hardly get 'em out; I'd have been better off to drop the tank. (the bed of my truck is hanging off of a chain and engine hoist RIGHT NOW. First pump (Airtex E3210) turned out to be made in China; I sent it back. Second fuel pump (A-C Delco EP241) has shipped but not arrived. I'm scared that the Delco pump will also be Communist crap, and I'll have to order a third pump!

Very similar fuel pump on my '93 Lumina. Internet price for the Delco pump is about $70. Cost me $650 installed, with the "tourist surcharge" at an out-of-town shop where the car died.


The pumps are cooled by the fuel, keeping the fuel level higher does seem to help longevity. Replace the fuel filter when it begins to plug...which may or may not be a two-year deal. Problem, of course, is figuring out when the filter is plugging. As a Do-it-yourselfer, drop the filter out, empty the gas out of the filter, and blow into the inlet. If it's restricted...put in a new one. If not, screw the old filter right back on.

Filters last me five--ten years.

I cut them open 30,ooo miles and they need replacing. I use the purolator or wix filters they are very good quality..when you cut them open this is then revealed.. its that ethanol that creates these particles.

[Schurkey]

Originally Posted by j cAT

I cut them open 30,ooo miles and they need replacing. I use the purolator or wix filters they are very good quality..when you cut them open this is then revealed.. its that ethanol that creates these particles.

I have used "gasohol" (E-10) as my fuel of choice for thirty years. It's been available around here since 1980--'81 or so. At first, they mixed methanol in with the gasoline. That didn't last long, and then they switched to ethanol.

Never once plugged a fuel filter. Never had ONE SINGLE PROBLEM I could blame on the ethanol. Never rotted fuel hose, never ruined a carburetor or injector or fuel pump...nothing.

In the early years--early/mid 1980's--there were other folks that got a tankful of polluted gasoline. Apparently, I was lucky. The ethanol cleaned all the crap out of the underground service station tanks; and all the water and such from leaky underground tanks went into the vehicle tank. I know of exactly one person in the last ten years that's gotten water in the gasoline. (My uncle, from Denver, about three years ago.) The EPA made all the service stations remove the leaky tanks!

Ethanol in gasoline is not the antichrist. It's terrible farm, food, fuel, environmental, and economic POLICY created by corrupt politicians...but it's fine fuel.

[j cAT]

Originally Posted by Schurkey

I have used "gasohol" (E-10) as my fuel of choice for thirty years. It's been available around here since 1980--'81 or so. At first, they mixed methanol in with the gasoline. That didn't last long, and then they switched to ethanol.

Never once plugged a fuel filter. Never had ONE SINGLE PROBLEM I could blame on the ethanol. Never rotted fuel hose, never ruined a carburetor or injector or fuel pump...nothing.

In the early years--early/mid 1980's--there were other folks that got a tankful of polluted gasoline. Apparently, I was lucky. The ethanol cleaned all the crap out of the underground service station tanks; and all the water and such from leaky underground tanks went into the vehicle tank. I know of exactly one person in the last ten years that's gotten water in the gasoline. (My uncle, from Denver, about three years ago.) The EPA made all the service stations remove the leaky tanks!

Ethanol in gasoline is not the antichrist. It's terrible farm, food, fuel, environmental, and economic POLICY created by corrupt politicians...but it's fine fuel.

its all about fuel separation ...........If you use your vehicle daily and change your fuel filters often you will have no problems. this fuel goes bad in a very short time. especially in humid areas. with new fuel systems on new vehicles the components are made to handle this type of fuel.

with any vehicle that has a defective fuel evap system or metal fuel tanks then its all BAD !

with boating engines this reaches a level of big expensive repairs. also any fuel remaining in the fuel tanks must be removed at the end of the use period.

with fuel that was non ethanol no problem of this separation or any damage , if the fuel was stabilized for 2yrs this would cause no ill effects.If you read up about these issues you will find that non ethanol fuel is baned in the US. this has created a movement to reverse this decision so that off road vehicles can have the benefits of non ethanol.


what I have experienced lately is chinese rubber components failing, when used in the fuel/vacuum systems. when replacing any rubber components on our engines best to stick with OEM PARTS.........

[Schurkey]

Originally Posted by j cAT

what I have experienced lately is chinese rubber components failing, when used in the fuel/vacuum systems. when replacing any rubber components on our engines best to stick with OEM PARTS.........

1. That's not the ethanol, that's the damned Chinese.

2. GM is sourcing a lot of replacement parts from China. The original outside mirrors on my Luminas were made in Canada. The replacements come from China. Originals hold the shiny black finish for fifteen + years; other than where they get hit by sand or pebbles thrown up by traffic. The Chinese replacement was entirely grey within six months.

[j cAT]

Originally Posted by Schurkey

1. That's not the ethanol, that's the damned Chinese.

2. GM is sourcing a lot of replacement parts from China. The original outside mirrors on my Luminas were made in Canada. The replacements come from China. Originals hold the shiny black finish for fifteen + years; other than where they get hit by sand or pebbles thrown up by traffic. The Chinese replacement was entirely grey within six months.

with rubber fuel lines you must not use aftermarket chinese crap..

very dangerous ! The ethanol does damage rubber unless it is made specificly for ethanol use..I am not sure on this but , I bet those cheap chinese made fuel pumps are using rubber compound not manufactured for ethanol use.. this would explain why these fail in a few months..