FF Inertia Drift

[sietekk]

I HATE using the ebrake to drift. I have a 97 Honda Accord that i use to drift. I don't know what the lingo is you guys use. maybe you could explain? But i can describe what i do.

the hardest part of a drift for me, is losing traction, because my car is just about all stock. (the best mod is the driver, i test my skills all the time). i drop down into 2nd gear going into a turn and cut the wheel hard into the turn and go almost WOT. in doing that, the car will lurch into a turn and cause the rear to continue going straight, while the front starts to turn. this causes the "drift effect" of the the rear losing control. at WOT the front tires start to spin causing less friction holding the car to the road (rolling friction, grip driving, has more friction than kinetic friction, or drifting, loss of traction, when you slide a block across a floor which causes the car to slide).

after i lose traction, i do something like "power sliding" that you guys talk about, but with the front wheel spinning. this pulls, instead of pushes the car through the turn. once i've reached past the apex, i counter steer and let off the gas a little which brings the traction back.

when i'm going through the turn, a certain amount of steering back and fourth depending on how the car is sliding will correct the slide and make it more fluid. i also use the break when i need more over steer bringing the weight further off the back. adjusting the throttle a little will also correct the friction on the front tires to make the drift more fluid.

understand what i'm talking about? lol. one thing though, i don't do this as fast as the guy that goes 40-60, cuz when i go over a certain speed i get that feeling i'm sure you've all had, when you aren't drifting and on the edge of plastering your face on the pavement with your car in the ditch. any suggestions for modding? i'll need new shocks etc in 4 months, and a new clutch. preferably anyone with experience with accords and parts for them, parts to stay away from would be even more beneficial. for now, the engine is fine for what it does, it gets the car to drift, good fuel economy, and can definatly pull its own.

here's a picture i drew up in photoshop (it also helps people like soyo to understand FWD drifting):

As you can see, the drifting of FWD and RWD is completely different, yet very similar. Yellow wheels mean loss of traction. red arrows are the "force diagram" for the front wheels, the one poiting more to the right is the force of momentum, the one to the left is the force of the wheels pulling the car. same for the blue, but those are the rear tires. the green arrows is the totaly direction of the force on the car (if you've taken physics, you see all the arrows are components of vetors and the green arrow is the vector when the components are added==> all newtonian physics).

1) you can see what i do going into turn, 2) i start spinning the front wheels and the traction on the rear starts to slip in the extreme oversteer, 3) using the techniques i told you about, i continue in the drift, and 4) i counter steer, gain traction and end the drift.

for you RWD guys, the rear tires spin and cause the rear to slide through the turn while counter steering. at least thats my simple understanding of it.

GOD DAMN, that was the longest shit i've EVER typed. any comments and such would be much appreciated. too much stuff to go uncommented!

mike

[flylwsi]

actually, the current citroen wrc car is converted to awd. all wrc cars are.

considering the pricing for rwd cars, and the abundance of fwd cars, it only makes sense that fwd cars are "dominating" non-awd rally classes.

but that's besides the point.

sietekk:
you said you hate using the e brake?
why?
rwd drifters do it all the time?
why is it a cop out for fwd cars?

[1viadrft]

Yeah all WRC cars are AWD... but I think in the WRC Junior Leauge they have some FWD's.... I think.

[2strokebloke]

hopefully we can atleast admit that RWD and FWD sliding sideways are totally different, if not, your lieing to yourself.

Thank for such an informative and thoughtfully insightful post, Soyo.
Sliding sideways is sliding sideways. I'm not sure what's so hard to understand about that.

[323]

sietekk, I have two advice for you.

1. if you dont want to use the handbrake, accelerate, turn the wrong way, lift the accelerator, then turn the right way and it should drift. Thats the best way to benefit from your soft suspesion

2. More speed = more drift

[sietekk]

its not that the ebrake is a cop out, its too common and easy to do. i like to test myself, and i've already experimented with the ebrake and don't like it. i don't like the feel of it, and it causes my car to slow down too much. it just seems to easy and juvenile to do, so the next step isn't using it. it has its uses, but beyond correctional stuff, it isn't for me.

[1viadrft]

Originally Posted by 323

sietekk, I have two advice for you.

1. if you dont want to use the handbrake, accelerate, turn the wrong way, lift the accelerator, then turn the right way and it should drift. Thats the best way to benefit from your soft suspesion

2. More speed = more drift

I beleive the tech-term is POWER-OVER!

...and, sietekk: using the e-brake is not a cop-out! You can use the
e-brake to control the angle of the drift! A very valuable tool....

[Soyo]

notice I said you can slide both FWD and RWD cars, I just think they should have seperate terms because of the differences between the two. honestly they are not the same, I'll argue that all day. obviously you can lose traction with the rear wheels of a FWD car by turning fast enough, but its just not the same. I have done it in both FWD and RWD cars and its a TOTALLY different feel/movement/whatever so I think it should be termed differently. maybe call it skid/skiding instead of drifting, just so make notice that it isn't the same. because no 2stroke sliding sideways is not sliding sideways... but I'm not even getting into this anymore... so from now on, I'm calling it 'skiding' for FWD and 'drifting' for RWD. have a nice day

[2strokebloke]

Originally Posted by 1viadrft

I beleive the tech-term is POWER-OVER!

Not with FWD. You can only "power over" to drift with a RWD car.

[Bunta]

Paint is too much fun.

Look that FF DRIFTED right off the road! That FR could sure use some ackerman.

and now, an impression. GUESS WHO I AM! WIN TEH PRIZE!

UH OH TEH SEVENTIES R STUPID. U GIZE SUX. I DRIFT ALL DAY LONG... NOT RICER LOL!!! But I do it in the mountains.... U TYPE 2 MUCH! LOL! NOBODY DRIFTED UNTIL THE JAPANESE INVENTED IT IN 1986.... LOL! I AM NOT AGROGANT OR IGNORGANT! LOL! CALM DOWN, I WUZ JUST KIDDING IN ALL MY OTHER POSTS BECAUSE TEY R DUM.... LOL! FRONT WHEEL DRIVE CAN'T BE SIEDWAYS CUZ U R DUM.... I DON'T CARE IF YOU ARE RIGHT MY OPOINON IS MY OPONION AND HONDAS=GAYZORZ!

I'd just like to apologize in advance for this awful, awful post.

[jdmkenji]

the FWD car pitched it too late!!! hahahahah --- understeer sucks!

good paint job though!

[jdmkenji]

Originally Posted by 1viadrft

I beleive the tech-term is POWER-OVER!

...and, sietekk: using the e-brake is not a cop-out! You can use the
e-brake to control the angle of the drift! A very valuable tool....

Yeah we should write the FWD DRIFT, RWD DRIFT, AWD DRIFT in the encyclopedia of drifting... yay!

that will set them straight!

[Soyo]

nice paint job bunta, and I want a prize... maybe its mr. "accelerating then turning the wrong way, letting off the gas and turning in = tech term power-over"... I'm still trying to figure out where the power is if you let off the gas when you turn in

[Bunta]

We can see from this diagram, the EXTREME oversteer created using the sietekk technique. When traction catches in the rear, it sends the ass end of the car ROLLING ALONG WILDLY IN COMPLETE CONTROL. Meanwhile, the front tires are smoking and giving the wonton driver the sense that he's gangsta. AND AS IF BY MAGIC, ALL FOUR TIRES ARE SPINNING WHEN THE CAR HITS THE APEX. As we also see, the car is completely parrallel with the road. This results in the most CRAPTACULAR drifting YOU'VE ever seen. Yes, FR drifting is truly exactly like FF drifting, yet completely different.

Sietekk, have you lost your mind???

You make Soyo look like a genius!

[Soyo]

I am a genius, thanks for pointing that out! saves me some time!