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[MustangRoadRacer]

body kit / boky kit - that was a typo.
to answer your question, the "your friend" thing was made in reference to another thread where someone pointed out that it seems like an awfull lot of people ask questions for a friend or about a friends car.
the reason the Vr4 is slower than the z28 is that it is heavier, has AWD, and has relatively tame turbos on a v6. The supra has better turbos, RWD, and weighs about the same as the camaro.
About the Eclipse, I seriosly doubt the manual has an extra 40 HP.
turbo would be more than the cost of the car, but if that's what you want, go for it.
to me the money would be better spent making a fast car faster than a slow car fast.

[c a m a r o]

eclipse is slow? it says 165 on the speedo. well if anything, i can resell it for a lot more than $800, i've seen em go for as much as 8k with 100k miles. not 40 extra hp, 9... 214-205?.. i didnt believe it either... cuz the turbo model it says 140, but for the regular it shows 205.. thats a lot from a 4 cyl.

[MustangRoadRacer]

I can't beleive you honestly equate a speedometer with a fast car.
I really hope you don't.
really.

[c a m a r o]

Originally Posted by MustangRoadRacer

I can't beleive you honestly equate a speedometer with a fast car.
I really hope you don't.
really.

lol.. i knew u were gonna say somethin like that. but really why would they put a 165 speedo if it cant go 165? i mean i know speedo doesnt mean shit but stock speedo, why would they make it 165? just to raise the insurance rates? i mean camaros got a 155 speedo, but it can go more like 160-170 stock from what i've read. i know mine cant, cuz that shit is old, and got a lot of mileage.. unless i rebuild it. but the ls1 camaros can do more than 155.

[MustangRoadRacer]

It's called marketing.
what kind of people buy the eclipse?
young people who want to believe their car is fast.
same type of people who buy a celica.
And the speedo is usually not too accurate above 150 on passenger cars anyway.
there is NO WAY that car can do over 140.
it might get 150 with a turbo.

[johnnyBgood]

The 2nd Gen eclipse (95-99) are rated at 210 HP from Mitsubishi. Turbo models anyway. Another thing you are forgetting about the turbos. The Supra is in inline 6 cylinder with sequential turbo's. That means one small one for fast response and low boost. As the RPM's increase, the larger turbo begins to make high boost and more power.
The 3K GT VR4 is a V6 with twin turbo's, not sequential. Each bank of the V6 has a 14b turbo which is fairly small. So each turbo can only put out so much power. The AWD does help a little.

Oh, both the Supra TT and VR4 are rated at ~280HP. Whether that is what they actually lay down or not is another story.

Car are also drag limited in what speeds they are able to attain. The speedo might say 150 (like mine does), the gear ratio's might be able to let the car up to 172 mph (like mine do), but the drag on the car limits it to about ~120-130 mph. But as you add power, the limits of drag decrease becuase the power of the car is more than the power of drag.

[c a m a r o]

hp ratings are always lower than the actual hp, at least on serious cars. i thought the new supra makes 800hp. but its gotta be shipped from Japan.

[454Casull]

Originally Posted by c a m a r o

hp ratings are always lower than the actual hp, at least on serious cars. i thought the new supra makes 800hp. but its gotta be shipped from Japan.

Why do you say that HP is underrated on serious cars?

[c a m a r o]

cuz cars like camaros are rated at 325hp when they really put out like 370 from the factory, supra cannot be 280hp it has to be more, and practically all the fast cars have more than their rated hp, and if a "sports car" like eclipse dynos at 117hp and is rated at 214hp it must be a bit overrated. plus, most domestics (corvette, camaro, mustang, firebird) underrate hp to keep insurance rates down. the wannabe fast cars overrate hp to make them look good.

[johnnyBgood]

Horsepower ratings depend on the company. The F-Body's are rated at the wheels, not the flywheel. Most companies rate horsepower at the flywheel. Car's can lose up to 30% of their power thru the drivetrain.

The 3rd Gen eclipse (mine) is rated to be 154HP. the car dyno's at 103 whp, automatic wise. I have added an intake on mine and my car dyno's 114 whp. The 117 whp eclipse is the 3rd gen manual transmission. Both 4 cyl models anyway.

That said the 2G eclipse turbo's which are rated to 210HP are putting down maybe around 165 whp.

Some companies do lower their car's power ratings for insurance reason. For example, the SRT-4. Dodge claims the car makes 215HP. That would mean maybe around 180 whp. Wrong. The car lays down about 223 whp and 250 wtq in stock trim. And for 2004, Dodge has upped the power to 230HP and added a Quaife LSD. The stock 1/4 mile times can be as low as 13.39 seconds.

The stock MKIV supras dyno in at around 288whp. And i was wrong in my previous claim. Toyota says they have 320HP. Same for the VR4.

[454Casull]

Some things you have to know:

Japan used to (maybe it still does) have a horsepower limit on its cars. I'm sure it's gone now, but that's why lots of their cars were rated 276/280HP.

GM underrates its F-bodies so that the Corvette's HP doesn't seem as low. Basically they are hyping up their higher-end stuff.

[MustangRoadRacer]

03 mustang cobra is the same way.
rated lower than actual HP, and 1/4 times are higher in tests than they actually are.

[Sluttypatton]

The same thing happened to the original Neons, although for a different reason; they underrated the '95 SOHC because it made almost as much power as the more expensive DOHC, and Chrysler didn't want it to make their more expensive model look stupid. The next year of production they detuned the SOHC cam so it actually made less power. There are lots of reasons a manufacturer may underrate a cars hp.

[83camaroz28cfi]

well u guys if you worried about ur car soundin like a "angry bee" dont be ever hear of a "buick grand national" they dont sound like and angry bee and they are V6's and they have some rumble to them. so i wouldnt be worried about the sound of a rice. sry for being so late on this but i jsut read this thread on a google link.

[ss4equinox]

i have a 04 toyota celica gt and i cant find a turbo kit for it. all i find are kits for the gts. can i use the gts kit for the gt? also, what additional things must i do to my engine before installing a turbo? i dont wanna blow anything up under the hood. its my only car lol.