B20 vs B18c5

[94delsolSI]

you can find a B18C5 with all the same components for less then that well i know i can anyway and as for the talon idea dont cheap out atleast get an eclipse GSX talons drive like sh*t

[Prelewd]

Originally posted by 94delsolSI
you can find a B18C5 with all the same components for less then that well i know i can anyway and as for the talon idea dont cheap out atleast get an eclipse GSX talons drive like sh*t

Aren't they... the same?

[94delsolSI]

pretty much talons are just cheaper and i dont like them but other people do i guess so its all cool

[94tegRS]

isnt it the tails and spoiler and front bumper that are different.

and I was planning on a 95 talon TSI AWD and drove it and everything. does not drive likre shit, drives NICE! it was so much fun to drive, but wasnt allowed to get a used turbo cuz my parents talked to a mechanic and he worried them about the bearings in the turbo.

but anyways, yes i like honda more, but it was a NICE car.

and I vote on B20 as well.

[bcsintegra]

So, you should get the B20 if you plan on building, but the B18C5 if you don't, right (anyone)>?

[jcrx]

Originally posted by bcsintegra
So, you should get the B20 if you plan on building, but the B18C5 if you don't, right (anyone)>?

It would depend on what you were looking to do with the motor.If you were going to boost or actually tear everyting apart and rebuild a sick all motor than the B20 would be a wiser choice,as the C5 is already a damn good street motor and the gains you would see from tearing it down and building it back up wouldn't be worth the cost of the motor plus the parts.The B20 blocks can be bought chea[ and that leaves a ton of room and money for the build up.

[liquid8]

how cheap??? and what about that whole thing about the b20 isn't meant to rev to 8 or 9 grand and that it would be unreliable??

[Frostbyte]

Originally posted by sparq
Stock USDM B20b

Compression 8.8:1
Horsepower: 126hp @ 5400
Torque: 133lb-ft @ 4300

This motor comes WITHOUT VTEC, comes out of a CRV.

Stock B18c5

Compression: 10.6:1
Horsepower: 195hp @ 8000
Torque: 130lb-ft @ 7500

This motor has VTEC, comes out of an Integra Type R.
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First off let me start with saying you are comparing apples to oranges here. I dont know if you are talking about CRVTEC or just the plain old CRV motor. Either way, this motor has far more potential IMO when it comes to tuning.

Why you ask? Because the B18c5 is a B18c thats already been worked. Think about it, Honda built this motor to be good out of the box - its very hard (note EXPENSIVE) to mess with perfection.

B20 on the other hand was never really meant to be a tuner motor - however being that Honda motors are so easy to swap, any idiot with half a potato chip IQ for a brain can see the direct benefits. The old term theres "no replacement for displacement" holds true even to Honda. Look at t he torque numbers - 133ft-lbs @ 4300 RPM vs. the Type R's 130ft-lbs @ 7500 RPMS! Your making more torque in the CRV motor before the Type R even engages VTEC! Whats this mean? Even stock for stock, you could take a Type R swap off the line... However if both motors were stock, the Type R would eventually real you in and pass you.

For the price of the Type R swap, you could build a hell of a CRVTEC swap (B20 block w/ VTEC head) or hell turbo the sucker! Either way CRV is the way to go. Let me know, ive got plenty of motors to go around! :smoka:

I would have to Agree with Sparq. I have been looking at the B20 swap for sometime now. I think it is a awesome swap and I would rather go with that over a Type-R but I guess it all depends on what type of racing you do. Type-R would be awesome for Auto-X. B20/VTEC awesome for 1/4 mile racing.

[hybridsol]

B18c1 is probably my favorite motor, I'd say go with with the b18c5 but the b20b is a great bottom end for a turbo, plus its doubtful that you'll find a cheap b18c5. Whats genious about the b20 is that it was built by tweaking a b18. I'll explain, ok first off the B16A and the B18B, share the same block with the engine's overall width of 601 mm. The B18B's 1834-cc capacity was obtained by stroking the B16A to 89 mm. Now the b20b utilizes consecutive liner construction, "quad-sequential sleeve block." the distance between the inner walls of the adjoining cylinders, are reduced to 6 mm from the separate lines' 9 mm of the b18b, while retaining the same bore pitch. This enables the b20b an addition of 3 mm to the bore of 84 mm which, combined with the B18B's 89 mm stroke increases the engine's cubic capacity to 1972 cc. The b20b is also one of the lightest motor's for its displacement. Mated with the proper head the b20b is a deadly base, then again over 100hp per liter as a base is not something you want to overlook. The C5 is not lacking tuning potential, but the b20/replacement head will be most cost efficent as well as a better base for a turbo motor.

[D2daT2daM]

Originally posted by hybridsol
B18c1 is probably my favorite motor, I'd say go with with the b18c5 but the b20b is a great bottom end for a turbo, plus its doubtful that you'll find a cheap b18c5. Whats genious about the b20 is that it was built by tweaking a b18. I'll explain, ok first off the B16A and the B18B, share the same block with the engine's overall width of 601 mm. The B18B's 1834-cc capacity was obtained by stroking the B16A to 89 mm. Now the b20b utilizes consecutive liner construction, "quad-sequential sleeve block." the distance between the inner walls of the adjoining cylinders, are reduced to 6 mm from the separate lines' 9 mm of the b18b, while retaining the same bore pitch. This enables the b20b an addition of 3 mm to the bore of 84 mm which, combined with the B18B's 89 mm stroke increases the engine's cubic capacity to 1972 cc. The b20b is also one of the lightest motor's for its displacement. Mated with the proper head the b20b is a deadly base, then again over 100hp per liter as a base is not something you want to overlook. The C5 is not lacking tuning potential, but the b20/replacement head will be most cost efficent as well as a better base for a turbo motor.

:ylsuper :thumbup:

[d3f4ult]

No freaking contest.. Whatsoever. you buy the b20b longblock. Strap a hellafied turbo on it, some rods, and an intake. Game over for the c5.

I have seen a 350whp b20 turbo swap in a CRX. No joke. Absolutely devastating. If you get that kind of power from a b18c5, call me, cause it's been a while since i talked to god. PSSHH

[sparq]

Damn I actually wrote that? Must have been one of my better days

[d3f4ult]

I think everyone has there.. Daze

I guess i was just bring it back into the light lol

[YOUNGSTER]

i agree with hybrid my fav is the b18c i wanna get one but i have no money lol id just got b18c turbo for some street fun unless you wanna go all out than id just go b20vtec.

[d3f4ult]

I see that noone besides me is interested in having a 350 whp honda. Oh well your loss. The entire swap(including additional parts) to attain this kind of rating is less than $8000.

Now you have to think, put the c5 in the ride, have about 167 hp to the ground. you would have to spend at least 3000 to get it to pump 230 to the ground(MINIMUM of $3000). right there is your $8000 and you aren't close to the potential of the b20. Also, the b20b has more torque stock. I know I am repeating some previously posted information, but it's my keyboard, I'll type what I like.