Import Versus Domestic

[Blackbird01]

2001 Trans Am WS6 (for obvious reasons)

Plus, the LS1 is one of the most potent small blocks ever built.
Not to mention that after only 4 years of production, there are already 8-9 sec. LS1s! This car ROCKS!

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

well man a normal viper weight's a tonne so to get this Magical one you claim to fame is a bigger task than getting some skyline to go fast - bollocks it isn't tuned you bullshitting bastard because a normal one has 450hp and that one is a race one not a fucking street one and if you go on about henessey i have a video with a SC300TT raping a henessey Viper - and sucks cock i'd have a Trans Am over it - kiss my ass u anti import tosser - Skylines kick arse - o by the way I'm talking about the normal everyday cars our counterparts in Japan drive yes my friend you suck because you can't take the fact that A RICE BURNER is better than American Muscle. Kiss my ass i have leaft the building......I LOVE YOU HONDA NISSAN MITSY(NOT ASS MUCH AS THE OTHERS) SUBARU (a 22B is sweet) MAZDA ( ROTORARY CUM ) i think i don't care and stop showing that lebaron it may have turbos but i'm afraid to say whoever designed it modelled it on a brick wall

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

WS6 arrrrg drool sorry but that and the Camaro SS are the only domestic cars i like apart from Saleen and Cobra

[Blackbird01]

Thanks!

Umm, I don't really know what that last post was about "You're just mad because Import Rice Burners are faster then your American Muscle"....
Now, I assume you're talking about "street" cars, correct?
Well, if so, we can get technical and say that "Pro Street" cars are street legal. They are expected to break 6.50's this season.

I also know of a few Mustang owners with street legal Stangs running well into the 8's and a TON are solid 9 sec. cars...

I love all FAST cars. (as long as they aren't "rice")
Supras, Skylines....They're amazing cars.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

suppose but the drag cars you mention have specially built transmission with close ratio right ? as for the others they aren't vipers which i detest big solid and gay. Saleens are cool.

But for me i prefer imports because of the looks like a NSX has awesome looks

A Skyline has crazy abilities

A Supra has some wild child looks

RX7 are small light and sweet

VR4's SUCK ASS they can't turn for shit a complete disgrace altho it has a cousin called stealth and they suck too Sorry to say

I have a theory it goes like this i want my car to be able to take a corner fast than the rest of the competition which in corner taking NO ARGUEMENTS PLEASE Imports do best and there's no meaner corner taker than the Skyline i know the facts don't tell me some stupid shit about a race mustang being fast it probably isn't in all truth because the skyline has the fastest lap time around he nurburgring for a production car including the maclaren F1......

[Polygon]

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
well man a normal viper weight's a tonne so to get this Magical one you claim to fame is a bigger task than getting some skyline to go fast - bollocks it isn't tuned you bullshitting bastard because a normal one has 450hp and that one is a race one not a fucking street one and if you go on about henessey i have a video with a SC300TT raping a henessey Viper - and sucks cock i'd have a Trans Am over it - kiss my ass u anti import tosser - Skylines kick arse - o by the way I'm talking about the normal everyday cars our counterparts in Japan drive yes my friend you suck because you can't take the fact that A RICE BURNER is better than American Muscle. Kiss my ass i have leaft the building......I LOVE YOU HONDA NISSAN MITSY(NOT ASS MUCH AS THE OTHERS) SUBARU (a 22B is sweet) MAZDA ( ROTORARY CUM ) i think i don't care and stop showing that lebaron it may have turbos but i'm afraid to say whoever designed it modelled it on a brick wall

Lets get a few things straight you ignorant ass.

1. Where in my post did I say I was against imports? I didn't, I happen to like both.

2. The GTS-R is a un-modded Viper. That is how it comes from the factory. As for the Viper being 450HP, have you ever heard of restriction? The 8.0L V10 is capable of much more than 450HP.

3. I don't like Hennessey, the man was an asshole. And as for your friend beating one. I would pay money to see him beat a Venom 805 with the same mods.

4. I would love to see any street legal rice burner beat out say a 1971 Hemi Cuda with a 528 Hemi and the same mods as the ricer. Say bye bye fool.

5. Fuck off about my car, I like it and it looks good and it is damn fast for a stock four banger and cost me a lot less than any Honda. And oh by the way quite reliable, 150,000 miles on the original turbo and it is still pumping out a healthy 13psi. Oh ya’ I also get about 40mpg on the freeway so kiss my ass. Not only does it out perform any Honda or Acura for the price, but it is just as reliable, and gets just as good if not better gas mileage.

Don't be such an ass next time man. Shit.

You take to defence to quickly and you are ignorant.

[Swonder67]

Originally posted by Polygon


Show me another car from the factory with these specs.

Mclaren F1 and KITT of Knight Rider. lol.

[hrdcorezc]

I went with Polygon on this one. From a stock vs stock standpoint, with the power and handling the GTS-R comes with straight from the factory there are maybe one or two cars in the world that could keep up with it. And hey NSX, sorry to tell you buddy, but you disliking the Viper doesn't make it any slower in a straight line OR around a corner. And I don't think they have ever run a GTS-R around the Nurburgring track. So stock vs stock, the Skyline GT-R which is the fastest package available directly from Nissan, is no match against a GTS-R which is the fastest package available from Dodge. End of story.

[NSX-R-SSJ20K]

are you telling me that a dodge viper is faster than a Maclaren F1 GT special edition NO it is not they removed the speed regulator on the Maclaren and got it up to 260mph

I am sorry to say again you may think an American car is fast around a car but it is not. Most muscle cars are built for straight line performance

You are right polygon in saying that if an American Muscle car had the same kind of specs and mods as a B16 VTEC with turbo 500hp it would produce more horse power - but they don't because that is not the American philosophy of power. Bigger engine = more power is the American Philosophy.

The new NSX will have a V8 Vtec and around 450hp when they apply the same kind of mods to this as a B16. You will see alot more power.

B16 produces 100hp per liter what does a viper produce?

Abflug Supra produces 350hp per liter what a Viper produce?

I know many a friend of mine that'll say Vipers suck and they drive Trans AM's Mustang's Camaro's just to let you know its not just a RICE burner like me who thinks the car sucks


Viper's can't keep up with a Skyline through corners - unless you have a Rally car like a Focus Cosworth, Evo 6, 22B you won't be able to beat them.

Ignorance is not adhearing to the truth so when did i do that? Japan can do it better!

and sorry polygon taking a cheap shot at your car was low I was slightly pissed off

[Swonder67]

I will say one thing about american muscle... they got TORQUE. But all around, Japan cars are better made. More thought goes in to get more horses. American cars just keep putting bigger and bigger displacement motors in their cars to get more muscle. but if you look at companys like Mazda, they started using the rotary engine in their cars. The RX-7 twin turbo rotary engine is only 1.3 liters, yet puts out 220 horsepower stock.

[Blackbird01]

Swonder, actually it wasn't Mazda that began using the Rotary engine. Nissan was in fact the first company to use it, later on they sold its rights to Mazda (too big a pain in the ass)

Oh yeah, and as of right now, I believe the worlds fastest lap time around the Nuremburg course belongs to the RUF Porsche 911 Turbo.
It beat the McLaren F1's time by a lot as well.

I have seen the video of it being driven around the course taken by my auto's teacher who had a chance to drive it around the course.
The best handling vehicle out right now I'd have to say is the Porsche.
It's just simple physics. Engine mounted in the back will be able to turn better. But at high speeds, you better know how to handle it...

[LjasonL]

i dont really see why people always talk about hp per liter. i mean sure if u can get a lot of hp per liter thats great technology but where does that help u if the other guy still has more hp? so what if the b16 has 100 hp per liter, it still only has 160 hp while the gtsr still has 705 hp. and yes, the fastest time around the nurburgring is a skyline, it beat the ruf porsche.

[Self]

DAMN!! I'm getting into this one late! My choice is the Camaro SS. I love imports, and I love domestics. A 1,000 hp Skyline is nice, but nothing super extroardinary. There are plety...tons in fact of 1,000 hp domestics. In fact, NOS has just started making a system for DOMESTICS ONLY...May have heard of it...Can anyone say 1000 shot? And that's real. So expect to see a ton MORE 1000+ hp domestics around! Few people I know who go to the same speed shop as me run twin turbo Camaro's and Firebirds. Boosting 17 psi...sub-8s in those things, easily in fact. Working off of THEORY ONLY, take an V6/I6 Supra or Skyline, make the engine bullet-proof, then throw on a huge turbo capable of boosting 20 psi...Then take a 496ish Chevy and do the exact same...and the Chevy will blow the fuckin doors off of the import. Bigger engine = more potential. Oh, want to talk drag racing now? What kind of engine do sub-6 second cars run? I4? Hell no. I6? Hell no. V6? Hell no. V10? Hell no. V8 all day, every day. Because there's more potential. However...That isn't too say that all domestics do is go big and let 'er rip. Here's one for you. Might have heard/seen it before. 5 second PRO-STOCK car. QUAD-TURBO Chevy v8. First 5 second Pro Stock in the world. The only too.
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So yea, my choice is the Camaro SS. Too much potential for too little money.

[D16 V-TEC]

I like the S15 Silvia. IMO its one of the slickest looking cars around with power to boot.

[Polygon]

Originally posted by hrdcorezc
I went with Polygon on this one. From a stock vs stock standpoint, with the power and handling the GTS-R comes with straight from the factory there are maybe one or two cars in the world that could keep up with it. And hey NSX, sorry to tell you buddy, but you disliking the Viper doesn't make it any slower in a straight line OR around a corner. And I don't think they have ever run a GTS-R around the Nurburgring track. So stock vs stock, the Skyline GT-R which is the fastest package available directly from Nissan, is no match against a GTS-R which is the fastest package available from Dodge. End of story.

Hey thanks, for the support.

But lets also compare price point.

McClaren F1: $1,000,000

Dodge Viper GTS-R: $360,000

Tune the GTS-R up a little and you can keep up with the F1. You are right though, Dodge could work on the handling some. Though the GTS-R dominated the 98 LeMans season.