srt-4 vs. Gts which is best buy?

[Neutrino]

the whole cheaper and the use the money to mod it has been beaten to death...so lets leave it alone

point is....if you really like to heavily tinker with the car get the dsm...if you would just like to have a new car in warranty get the srt

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by EclipseRST

it wouldnt be stupid to buy a DSM, i mean even if the money isnt an issue, ok say you have 25,000 - i'm sure you could find a nice 99 GSX for 13-15 grand that will pretty much not have many problems, if any at all... my friend just bought the 04' SRT-4, right now its in the shop cause the tranny is fucked! oh and for CW < its not as common as you make it out to be, if the car has got any more that 50-60k miles then it most likly wont get CW! but say you got the car for 15 grand and you put the other 10 grand into it, (even if you buy the SRT-4 and put the other 4 grand into it, by the time the SRT-4 gets into 3rd, the GSX will be through the trap already!! its all about FWD vs. AWD and AWD will inhale it!

I never said that it was stupid. Hell, I like the DSMs; I was just posting my opinion, which is that the SRT-4 is a far better choice. I also hear about people having all sorts of drive-train problems with their DSMs and more so with the AWD models. Do I believe them, no! I don't believe them because I don't know how they treated that car, I don’t know if they have any idea how to maintain it, and there are also things called lemons. Then you talk about the money that you saved you can put into mods, which is such horseshit. It is as fucking stupid as the HP/per liter debate. You're not going to take out the extra loan money to mod your car. Also, if you think that AWD is the god of traction, think again. When you launch the weight will shift to the back taking traction from the front wheels. You still get better traction but not as much as most people think. Also just like the SRT-4 you have half-shafts not solid axles, which are horrible for drag racing. Then you have to account for the fact that you have more drive-train loss, more weight, and more stuff to break. With the traction, if you had the power, you might rip him out of the hole but the SRT-4 will just fly by you before the end of 1/4 mile. A stock SRT-4 will drop a stock GSX like a bad habit. Also, the DSM has a puny turbo compared to the SRT-4’s and more displacement so the turbo runs out of steam quickly. That bigger turbo and increased displacement means more power potential for less cash because boost does not equal horsepower, airflow does. The same amount of boost on a GSX will produce more power on an SRT-4. Also since the exhaust housing has been built into the exhaust manifold turbo lag is almost gone and.

Like I said the SRT-4 has far more potential than a DSM.

[mitsu_eclipse95gst]

OK RST you saying that a awd eclipse will take a gst no prob? Lets put it this way me and my friends have the exact same mods i mean exact same brand pushing the same boost yea he takes me off the line but oh crap he is loosing more at hight speeds he has beat me once when i spun the whole time BUT i would buy the eclipse dump all your other money you would spend on buying the neon on the mitsu you would be one fast mother

[flylwsi]

BUT i would buy the eclipse dump all your other money you would spend on buying the neon on the mitsu you would be one fast mother

the whole cheaper and the use the money to mod it has been beaten to death...so lets leave it alone

thank you.

no where did anyone say 280 whp. if you can read, and i hope you can, it said 280 crank hp.

i'll take the srt4, though i'll admit that i do like the dsm. but only awd.

[TatII]

you have you guys seen that SRT-4 video with a stage 3 kit and iwth a slightly bored out turbo compressor vs a stock EVO 8? that SRT-4 riped that evo 8 like nothing. he time after time he just took the evo like he was standing still. even after a while he even gave hte evo a chance to race from a dig. same result. the evo gets him off the line, then the neon blows by him. and for the last run, he even gave hte evo a headstart from a dig and still same result. the DSM with a stock T25 doesnt' put out much powre at the wheels with full boost and all hte bolt ons. you'll lucky if you can break 210whp. and thats fully tuned. the 04 stock SRT 4 puts down 248whp. stock. with a LSD. in order to get that kind of power, you need to get a 16G upgrade for a few grand. plus the neon weights less i believe. sorry to say, i love DSM's but i'm gonna have to go with the SRT 4 on this one.

[flylwsi]

aw shiet.
you brought the evo into it...
look out for the shit getting flung your way...

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by TatII

you have you guys seen that SRT-4 video with a stage 3 kit and iwth a slightly bored out turbo compressor vs a stock EVO 8?

No, but I would sure like to. Do you know where I might be able to download such a nice gem?

*Ducks before the shit flinging begins.*

[flylwsi]

ha... i was thinking the same thing...
but honestly, it wouldn't surprise me to find a neon that outruns the stock evo 8... sorry...

but hey, poly's a chrysler guy, so that has to make him feel good, right?

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by Polygon

No, but I would sure like to. Do you know where I might be able to download such a nice gem?

*Ducks before the shit flinging begins.*

there are separate videos....one filmed in the srt and another one with different cars fillmed in the evo...same outcome...i have them both....

its true it seems its a breze to mod those srt4 to fly....srtgurl in the srtforums is running 12.6 with only about 1500 in mods....and nothing very extreme...i belive her main two mods are a wastegate actuator to hold boost till higher rpm and a boost controler and the 350$ stage 1

[TatII]

polgyon you were the one that posted that video up. here is the link on AF

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...ght=video+SRT4

[Neutrino]

Originally Posted by TatII

polgyon you were the one that posted that video up. here is the link on AF

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...ght=video+SRT4

yeah poly is starting to forget things in his old age

[TatII]

i just saw the video again, and damn!!! that must've been sooo embarassing for the evo. oh man. that SRT got balls!

[Polygon]

Originally Posted by TatII

polgyon you were the one that posted that video up. here is the link on AF

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...ght=video+SRT4

Now don't I feel stupid?

I didn't think that, that SRT-4 has a stage 3 kit. They still don't have them out. I guess he had a stage one with some bolt ons.

[flylwsi]

yeah, it's got to be hard to get wasted like that...
either that kid didn't (like you said) know how to drive...
or that neon just ate him alive... awesome video...

[kjewer1]

First things first people, watch your mouth about the AWD. Go the track on any given street night and tell me which imports own the place. Not FWDs, thats for sure The occasional fast RWD rx7 or supra, the rest of the field is dominated by AWD dsms. The slight power loss you get from the rear drivetrain is overcompensated for by the massive launch advantage. Find me a SRT4 pulling 1.5 second short times. I do it on all season street tires. When I was running mid 13s short times were 1.7s. The whole comment about losing traction on hte front wheels is retarded.

Who cares if people are getting SRT4s in the 12s for 1500 bucks, DSMers have been doing that for the last 10 years. I did it on my 2g.

The turbo on the SRT4 has a TDO4 exhaust side last I heard. Thats going to become a major limiter especially with higher displacement of the 2.4.

I highly doubt the stock bottem end will do 1000 HP. Sounds like more misinformed misguided ricer magazine BS to me.

If the SRT4 has more potential than the DSMs why are DSMs still smoking them. Oh yeah, theyre "new." When my DSM has a 2.4 in it in about 2 weeks we'll see what the potential difference is

You cant "bore out" a compressor wheel.

Comparing a "stage 3" to a stock EVO is worthy of a good asskicking. Dont be stupid.

210 whp on a stock t25 is absurd. I made 250.

I'm sure everyone will now say that my car is heavily modded, or whatever, but I still have spent less than one would on a SRT4. Including car, upgrades, and all breakages/repairs and other so called AWD disadvantages. Dont get me wrong, I think the SRT4 is an awesome car, especially after riding in SBRs car. But lets not get caught up in the hype here. Give the car time to prove itself. Until then, there is still more potential from a DSM, more aftermarket, turbo options, etc. Not to mention spare parts are partcially free for these things. A local guy just gave away 4 0r 5 good 6 bolt blocks to make more space. Transfer cases, trannys, etc are dirt cheap. Maintenance is cheap on a DSM unless youre one of those tools that goes to the dealer for every squeaky belt that comes up. In that case, like I have said before, go with the warranty. Do us all a favor and do not buy a powerful car that actually has traction.