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#1
12-17-2003, 08:49 PM
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srt-4 vs. Gs-t which is a better buy?
okay so I've been coming on this board for the last few weeks looking at 2g's because I want fast and light car. my current car is powerful but weight 3660 with me in it. so I had my mind set on a 2g until me and my cousin went to the dodge dealer to gock at new cars. well I saw the srt-4 and loved it. so now I'm trying to decide which would be better.
choice 1 $21,000 for a srt-4 223whp 250wtq 4dr=friends(my current car is 4dr and hitting 100mph with four in the car is fun) new car warranty new car reliability more displacement am I missing anything? choice two $3000-$7000 Gst a (good year) 170whp ???wtq two door=me and girl only aftermarket that doesn't end what else? pros and cons anyone? marcus
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12-17-2003, 08:53 PM
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You'd save a lot of money, be able to go way faster cheaper, not have to haul people around, and.. those neons look goofy, although the new ones DO have quaife and better tires now. cheated though, 2.4 liters.
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12-17-2003, 09:08 PM
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i'd go for the Gs-T...i think with correct mods, the Srt-4 will be lunch for the Gs-T...those DSM's are quick little fellors...
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12-17-2003, 09:16 PM
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Re: srt-4 vs. Gs-t which is a better buy?
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and the 90 - 94 is only 15 hp less pros, >>> its a dsm, and they sexy as hell cons, >>> you kant be a taxi,  ( thusly giving you a light car )
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#5
12-17-2003, 09:29 PM
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The SRT4 is definitely a good deal, one of the best bang for the buck new cars right now and it can put down 280+whp 300+tq and still be under factory warranty, I'll go SRT
yea its ugly, but it has power so it dont matter kinda like a fat chick with alot of money, the downside can be overlooked
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12-17-2003, 09:30 PM
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the gs-t has 210crank hp and 170wheel hp assuming 20% drivetrain loss
the srt-4 is 280crank hp and 223wheel hp with 20% loss didn't cheat with 2.4Liters i don't think it's DOHC got torque? marcus
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12-18-2003, 01:26 AM
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but think about it, if you buy the GST, for lets say 8 grand... you still have 13 grand for mods and anything else you want your car to be or have, ok wait, screw the GST idea and spend 13 grand on a GSX and still have 8 grand for mods, then you could be pretty close to kevin (95GSXRacer) in the 1/4 mile, or quicker, i'm not sure how much he has spent on his car but its damn fast, try running 11's in a brand new neon for $21,000!
I say stick with the DSM!!!
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12-18-2003, 02:57 AM
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since when are SRT-4's 280whp stock? its true that you can do it under warranty but turboaddict, he means factory installed mopar parts are still under warranty, and you can probably get over 300whp without voiding too. Was kidding about the 2.4 liters cheating thing, but its hard to compare to 4G63 when theres 20% more volume to work with. So don't go and think that the SRT-4 motor is better, because it's not 20% more powerful and that means (generally speaking) the engine doesn't put out more power in any aspect other than displacement.
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12-18-2003, 08:49 AM
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I believe the mopar stage 1 and 2 mods bring up to about 280, factory installed, factory warranty. SOmeone can hopefully verify that, I'm no expert.
Fits thing first, doing 100 with 4 poeple in the car isnt fun, its stupid. It a fine way to kill your girl and 2 of your friends, while you live through it to stand trial for manslaughter and live with it on your concience for the rest of your miserable life  My car will do over 160, but you wont find me doing that alone, much less with other poeple in the car. But enough preaching. Naturally I am biased and I will say pick up a 1g AWD for 2-3 grand, toss 2 grand at it and run 12s. Or do the 2g AWD for 6-7 grand, put 2grand in and run 12s. For the money you pay for a new car, you could run 10s, but naturally knowledge is more important than money here. IF you dont want to deal with AWD and its massive advantages, thats fine too. I would still say buy the DSM and put the money saved into mods. If you really want a new car, 4 door so you can kill some friends, and a warranty, go for the SRT4. Its no slouch. And being 2.4 as mentioned above, it should have lots of potential, once someone stops being a pussy and finds the breaking point of that motor. Its up to you to decide, but if you ask me, they are all great choices.
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12-18-2003, 09:20 AM
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well...I've hit 100 one with four people on a straight back road with no cars....I've done it myself more times but only on that road when it's empty. I'm just saying it's fun to be able to fast with four people.
well I'll stay away from srt-4.
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12-18-2003, 09:24 AM
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oops forgot
srt-4 comes with 223whp from the factory base model. scc mag dynoed one. dodge under rated them because they didn't use any fans for the intercooler when they dynoed it. marcus
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12-18-2003, 07:31 PM
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did anyone mention about the abundant reliabuility problems the str has?
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12-18-2003, 07:53 PM
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Re: srt-4 vs. Gts which is best buy?
srt4 no contest...even though i love the looks of the 2nd gen dsm's i drove the srt and the best description is "holly crap"....the smoothest torque curve ever
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12-18-2003, 11:05 PM
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Re: srt-4 vs. Gts which is best buy?
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Anyhow, there are a lot of things for me to address. First off I must say that I would take the SRT-4 over a DSM any day of the week. Granted I love the DSMs but there are a lot of things you have to think about. When buying any used turbo-charged car you have worry if the previous owner knew how to maintain the turbo properly or not. If not there is an expensive upgrade. There are also many other things that might be wrong with the car. With the SRT-4 you get a new car with a factory warranty that covers the factory installed stage kits. Granted the 2004 SRT-4 is about $21,000 but you're not going to find a DSM in good condition for less than $5,000 to $6,000 and even more for AWD models. How about power? With a DSM you're looking at about 210 HP and around 200 ft/lbs of torque at the crank. With the SRT-4 you're getting 240 HP and around 270 ft/lbs of torque at the wheels. Stock for stock you will eat a DSM like it was nothing. I am not sure what the DSMs run at the wheels but it is probably about 180-190HP and even less for AWD. The SRT-4 also comes with a Quafie limited slip differential, the DSMs don't, and you would have to pay about $1,400 for one of those for a DSM. Let's talk reliability for a second. The SRT-4 has the DSM there as well. DSMs have a pesky crankwalk problem, mostly second gen, and it is not a cheap fix. We're talking about $2,000 or more for a rebuild. The SRT-4's engine is overbuilt. Sport Compact Car took one apart finding an engine that could handle 1,000 HP on the stock bottom end. The 4G63 is a good engine but could never take that kind of power. They were also very impressed with all of the rest mechanical bits. In 2003 the SRT-4 even won their Sport Compact of the Year award and any sport compact was eligible to win, even all the DSMs. With $2,000 you can be in the low 12s to high 11s with the SRT-4. It is a far better choice than the DSMs, trust me. If any of you need anymore convincing I'll be glad to oblige. The only reason to buy the DSM would be if money was an issue.
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12-19-2003, 02:16 AM
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it wouldnt be stupid to buy a DSM, i mean even if the money isnt an issue, ok say you have 25,000 - i'm sure you could find a nice 99 GSX for 13-15 grand that will pretty much not have many problems, if any at all... my friend just bought the 04' SRT-4, right now its in the shop cause the tranny is fucked! oh and for CW < its not as common as you make it out to be, if the car has got any more that 50-60k miles then it most likly wont get CW! but say you got the car for 15 grand and you put the other 10 grand into it, (even if you buy the SRT-4 and put the other 4 grand into it, by the time the SRT-4 gets into 3rd, the GSX will be through the trap already!! its all about FWD vs. AWD and AWD will inhale it!
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