Openly Gay Bishop accepted by Episcopal church

[jon@af]

Originally posted by freakray


Like I said, I was under the opposite impression, I may be wrong.

I could imagine it though....

Confessor: Forgive me Father, I have sinned.
Bishop: Tell me your sins my child
C: I lay with another man
B: What are you doing on Firday, would you like to get together?

You joke now, but it may just happen...

[Dan_in_WA]

I agree with everything said thus far.

I can't imagine trying to justify to God that the homosexual lifestyle is correct, when he has stated it isn't.

I certainly didn't make the rules, or write any part of the Bible. I just try to read and follow the instructions. I'm not homophobic. And I'm not perfect.

But, for a CHURCH to elect a member like this?! It ain't supposed to be a democracy, folks! This makes no sense. There is an agenda here.

I'm glad I won't have to answer for this one!

[Jay2002WS6]

Here are my views on this, I have done much thinking about it before coming to the conclusion I have come to.

As Christians we are called to love first. That is our #1 commandment. It is not in our right to judge -- and to hate anyone for any reason is against what God commands of us. As Christians we all believe that we sin, and that we all fall short of the glory of God. Christians are called to repent of their sin. To accept God's word, to realize their inadequacies and to REPENT. This is where the problem comes in with the gay Bishop. Farbeit for me, or anyother earthly life, to judge him. That day will come for him, just as it will for the rest of us. The problem is his ADVOCATION of a life of sin. He does not preach that homosexuality is wrong, he doesn't believe it to be a sin. How can a spiritual leader be appointed who will lead CONTRARY to God's plan? This is where the Episcopalian church fails... it is their belief that the Bible is not the final authority. The church believes that God speaks and acts through the Holy Spirit and will lead them in the direction in which they are to go. This suggests that God can "change with the times." How convenient. Any time we sin now, we re-make the rules to fit our lifestyle. This is dangerous, dangerous ground.

In the Christian faith, all sin is equally evil in God's eyes. Murder, in that case, is on the same level as making love to your girlfriend. Therefore, the Episcopalian Bishop is preaching what is evil -- simple as that. For a Christian, the problem lies not in the Bishop's lifestyle, but in his ADVOCATION of it. Having this Bishop lead is NO DIFFERENT than having a preecher encouraging college students to go out, get drunk, and have as much heterosexual sex as they can. It is even no different than a preecher encouraging you to kill your neighbor if he pisses you off. Sin is sin, plain and simple.

The ONLY reason why this has been accepted is because of the movement of tolerance and "political correctness" in America. Society still rejects murderers, so no one will ever be pulling for one to be a preecher even though to God, it would be the same thing. We have decided to become so tolerant, that tolerating sin has become a greater virtue in our society than hating it. Do not hate people, but hate this sin. Too often, we no longer do.

The line of acceptibility in society just took another big move with this ordainment... but not to God. God is as he was in the beginning, and now, and ever shall be...

[2strokebloke]

The whole thing is downright silly. With my engineering mind, the common logic that floats through my mind no matter what I'm thinking about is: If it works, it works.
The only problem I can possibly think about with him in this position, is that he'll appear to be hypocritical.
Besides the only thing that seperates him from other bishops, is that he's out of the closet. J/K

[Jay2002WS6]

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
The whole thing is downright silly. With my engineering mind, the common logic that floats through my mind no matter what I'm thinking about is: If it works, it works.
The only problem I can possibly think about with him in this position, is that he'll appear to be hypocritical.
Besides the only thing that seperates him from other bishops, is that he's out of the closet. J/K

The problem is... a life of sin without repentance doesn't "work".......... and that's exactly what he is advocating.

[2strokebloke]

Are you suggesting that all other bishops have never sinned? It doesn't matter what the sin is, it's still a sin - and I know that they have all sinned for some reason or another at one time or another. The problem is trivial. Except perhaps for murder or rape, if he had any other problem - people would be more accepting of him as a bishop.

[BLU CIVIC]

the problem is that he's still in sin and practicing it openly....as far as admitting he's gay and doesn't care what the bible says....

[YogsVR4]

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC
the problem is that he's still in sin and practicing it openly....as far as admitting he's gay and doesn't care what the bible says....

He only said it so he could put forth his agenda. It was a political statement.

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally posted by YogsVR4


He only said it so he could put forth his agenda. It was a political statement.

REALLY....didn't know that....politics are becoming so retarded

[Jay2002WS6]

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
Are you suggesting that all other bishops have never sinned? It doesn't matter what the sin is, it's still a sin - and I know that they have all sinned for some reason or another at one time or another. The problem is trivial. Except perhaps for murder or rape, if he had any other problem - people would be more accepting of him as a bishop.

Read my original post:

Originally posted by Jay2002WS6
As Christians we are called to love first. That is our #1 commandment. It is not in our right to judge -- and to hate anyone for any reason is against what God commands of us. As Christians we all believe that we sin, and that we all fall short of the glory of God. Christians are called to repent of their sin. To accept God's word, to realize their inadequacies and to REPENT. This is where the problem comes in with the gay Bishop. Farbeit for me, or anyother earthly life, to judge him. That day will come for him, just as it will for the rest of us. The problem is his ADVOCATION of a life of sin. He does not preach that homosexuality is wrong, he doesn't believe it to be a sin. How can a spiritual leader be appointed who will lead CONTRARY to God's plan? This is where the Episcopalian church fails... it is their belief that the Bible is not the final authority. The church believes that God speaks and acts through the Holy Spirit and will lead them in the direction in which they are to go. This suggests that God can "change with the times." How convenient. Any time we sin now, we re-make the rules to fit our lifestyle. This is dangerous, dangerous ground.

In the Christian faith, all sin is equally evil in God's eyes. Murder, in that case, is on the same level as making love to your girlfriend. Therefore, the Episcopalian Bishop is preaching what is evil -- simple as that. For a Christian, the problem lies not in the Bishop's lifestyle, but in his ADVOCATION of it. Having this Bishop lead is NO DIFFERENT than having a preecher encouraging college students to go out, get drunk, and have as much heterosexual sex as they can. It is even no different than a preecher encouraging you to kill your neighbor if he pisses you off. Sin is sin, plain and simple.

The ONLY reason why this has been accepted is because of the movement of tolerance and "political correctness" in America. Society still rejects murderers, so no one will ever be pulling for one to be a preecher even though to God, it would be the same thing. We have decided to become so tolerant, that tolerating sin has become a greater virtue in our society than hating it. Do not hate people, but hate this sin. Too often, we no longer do.

The line of acceptibility in society just took another big move with this ordainment... but not to God. God is as he was in the beginning, and now, and ever shall be...

That should clear up what I am tryign to say to you. That is why this doesn't "work"

[Jay2002WS6]

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


REALLY....didn't know that....politics are becoming so retarded

BLU CIVIC ---> Is that who I think it is in your sig?

[BLU CIVIC]

Originally posted by Jay2002WS6


BLU CIVIC ---> Is that who I think it is in your sig?

ofcourse

[2strokebloke]

So you think that this bishop is going to be telling people that they should be gay?
Don't know what the logic is in that, afterall if he was guilty of adultery - do you think he'd be telling people that they should go out and do the same things he's done? - I think not.

[Jay2002WS6]

Originally posted by 2strokebloke
So you think that this bishop is going to be telling people that they should be gay?
Don't know what the logic is in that, afterall if he was guilty of adultery - do you think he'd be telling people that they should go out and do the same things he's done? - I think not.

To answer your first question: He accepts and advocates homosexuality. Since any sex outside of marriage is adultery, then yes, he advocates that as well. These are two sins that he believes to be acceptable to God.

I don't think he would tell a straight person to be gay, no... but his acceptance of homosexuality is not something a church should be preaching.

[Jay2002WS6]

Originally posted by BLU CIVIC


ofcourse

That is HOT!

What is that from?