500HP SportsTrucks

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by SVTerminator
Ford Lightning - Undisputed champ of the sport truck world!

especially since it was the only one....lol

[v10_viper]

Originally posted by Neutrino


especially since it was the only one....lol

hahahaha that's a big no crap, it had no competion really.

And of course, the Dodge Ram SRT-10, and the rear wing is too funtionaly, I do believe that I read somewhere that it said since this truck is fully capable of speeds over 150 mph, it needs something to keep that rear end glued to the ground.

Though I am afraid they are not going to be cheap, I mean hear you get the Viper engine for half the money of a Viper so that might catch some people's eyes and they might just buy it for the engine.

How in the hell does the new Lightning look better than the SS or Ram, I think it's uglier than hell, I mean I love the look of the old ones but the new ones just aren't very cool at all, not for a truck. And that supercooling idea they have, I can't wait to see it blow up in their faces somehow.

Oh and isn't the Lightning engine iron as where the Viper engine is aluminum?? I may be wrong this is why I am asking, I haven't looked at the weights of these engines either.

Edit: ILike2DriveCars, I really like the quote you have, "Pain is Weakness Leaving the body", can I steal that from ya??

[flylwsi]

who said the lightning looks ricey?

did you know the hood on the ram is non-functional?

hm..


also.

the lighting, as confirmed by car and driver, can hit 147mph, and they did that with the tailgate up and no cover on the bed.

put a tonneau on it or drop the gate, and you'll get higher speeds.

short throw shifter for the lightning?
they only come in automatic.
(sorry, i meant the current, not the new lightning)

the ss is slow, auto, awd, can't really lower it, and it's kinda ugly AND DOESN'T MAKE ANYTHING NEAR 500HP AND SHOULD NOT BE INCLUDED HERE

i like the lightning, and they're easy to make more power with.

i chose the ram only b/c it's a manual, and i remember reading an article a while back about some guys who put a massive hemi motor in one and said it was a blast to drive.

and come on, the ram will come with 22" rims... i can dig that...






and for the thread starter, you need some patience. if you think this site sucks, get the hell off of it or stop complaining. the only 2 posts i've seen of yours other than starting this thread, are bitching about the people here. if you don't like it, go punt.

[Polygon]

Originally posted by SVTerminator


Power is Power, Speed is Speed

It doesn't matter how you make it: 4 cylinder turbo, Big block ,I-6 turbo,
supercharged 5.4

When you lose to a guy in a Lightning I am sure he is going to really care that you are NA.

Supercharged 5.4 = Viper engine (only the lightning is lighter)

Because, you don't have too much more you can do to that engine to make it faster, that V-10 has so much more potential than the 5.4 could ever dream of having. My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger. Can't they actually engineer something freash and new that can keep up with the Vette and the Viper? No they can't not without adding on a stupid supercharger.

As if you people can't tell, I don't like superchargers.

[BlOOe46]

Originally posted by Polygon

My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger. Can't they actually engineer something freash and new that can keep up with the Vette and the Viper? No they can't not without adding on a stupid supercharger.

As if you people can't tell, I don't like superchargers.

ok im not backing up ford engineering here, but i have to ask why u dislike superchargers so much . . . it is sort of perplexing seeing as u seem to like f/i (as i can see ur turbo car sig) and yet u hate the s/c

when u were a kid playing video games with ur friends were u always the one telling them they were cheap for beating u with the same strategy everytime?

[GTStang]

Originally posted by Polygon


Because, you don't have too much more you can do to that engine to make it faster, that V-10 has so much more potential than the 5.4 could ever dream of having. My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger. Can't they actually engineer something freash and new that can keep up with the Vette and the Viper? No they can't not without adding on a stupid supercharger.

As if you people can't tell, I don't like superchargers.

You are mad cause it took a 5.4 a s/c to match a 8.3L. Maybe Ford should go turbo and TT everything like the Japense companies would that make it original and ok?

[jon@af]

Originally posted by Polygon


My problem is that Fords answer to making more power is always to slap on a supercharger.

It works doesnt it?

[flylwsi]

keep in mind that with simple pulley upgrades on the new s/c'd cobra (and remapped ecu obviously) you can make 550hp out of the stock cobra motor, which is more or less the same as the lightning motor, just tuned differently.

if you upgrade the s/c to a kenne bell, with no other mods, (ecu remapped) you can make 660hp on stock motor, exhaust manifolds and cats.

no room for upgrades?

what happens when you upgrade any other component of that motor?

even more than 600hp is available, still with the stock internals... not too shabby if you ask me...

poly...

putting a supercharger on a motor is more reliable than making the motor more high strung from the factory.

both motors have massive potential, and it's not surprising to see that 5.4 making 1000+ hp.
without an s/c on it.

and the same can be said for the viper motor.
for being a v10 and "only" (that's a little sarcasm) making 500 hp... come on... the 5.4 motor can make a considerable amount of that without an s/c...

what would happen if dodge were to actually tune the v10 to make it's n/a mass potential?
it would make shitloads of power, but it would be less reliable, b/c it would be more high strung...

with 500hp out of an old school engineered motor, you don't need to do much.

the potential of the 5.4 is massive, but it's easier to put an s/c on it... just like it's easier to just make the motor bigger to make more power...

same idea, different ways to the end product

[DkShadow]

Exacto flylwsi. Some people just have so much animosity against Ford. The Chebby guys are always saying how Fords cheating. Well something has to be done when theres lack of displacement inbetween them and what better way to justify that lack of cubes? A big F'in M110 supercharger. As far as the engine not having room for upgrades? WTF? Where did you get this information from? Pullies, full-exhaust, chip, filter, CAI( ) and you have a car/truck with over 600rwhp and runs the 1/4 at high 10s/low 11s. Theres also some 4.6 Cobras (not Lightnings obviously) that are 800rwhp+ capable on STOCK BOTTOM END. The new Lightning is going to be one badass truck. The Supercooling deal is one nice trick and the car has plenty more potential, not to mention that its getting a T56 transmission

[v10_viper]

Yeah, but how much pressure do those engines need to get over 1000 hp, do u know what the V10 engine takes for boost just to get over 1000 hp, not much and not too many of the tuners use intercoolers because there isn't much of a need to with such little boost, give that engine the same mods, same boost, and see what turns out. Now I know there are more things involved then just this amount of boost, but with 12 psi, the Viper's engine is at 1100 hp and 1300 lb ft torque, Aren't the Mustangs engines running about that same boost??

Only being a V-10, the number of cylinders doesn't matter when it comes to power, a hp per cubic inch is just fine, now say if the Vipers engine was in DOHC form, it'd be making more power yet. Now if those 5.4/4.6s were only OHV then it wouldn't be that special.

And I'm sure poly wasn't meaning that it wasn't tunble, it's just that it alreayd has a supercharger, that's one less mod that u can do, and that supercharger can only put out so much boost, so your going to have to end up getting another one if u want more boost out of it. And it seems some people have a hard time gettin the saying "No replacement for displacement" through their heads, although the 4.6/5.4 may be DOHC, which definately helps to make it more tunable, it will never see the power the 8.3 Viper engines will see. And while the Stryker's engine may be the 8.0, I'm sure the 8.3 would do just dandy with the same exact mods to it.

[GTStang]

No1 here was saying mod for mod an 8.3L motor will not make more power than a 5.4. He was crying about Ford using a S/C. Yea Ford could just make a bigger cubic inch motor to make more power. But with emission laws,mileage requirments, insurance. Its just not pratical anymore. Ever notice that awesome gas guzzler tax if you go buy a new Viper?

[v10_viper]

Well do you own and drive a Viper everyday?? I'm sure you'd know how the mileage on one is. How about asking an owner of a Viper on this board, mileage isn't bad as u think, compared to it's low gearing, .50:1 6th gear, 3.07 rear end, and 20 inch tires it's not bad at all. It's funny that the Murcielago gets worse mileage, it's proven. The SVT Cobra's dont get that great either, compared to them being almost half the size and DOHC. Also, the Viper has no problem passing emissions. It's in production, isn't it? Oh, and T56 tranny, where else have I seen this, Viper??

flylwsi, how is the Viper engine high strung?? So your saying, just because 505 cubic inches can make 500 hp that's high strung?? Now if it was 100 cubic inches making 500 hp, that's high strung.

[jon@af]

Originally posted by v10_viper



Edit: ILike2DriveCars, I really like the quote you have, "Pain is Weakness Leaving the body", can I steal that from ya??

Yeah man, no problems Got it off the back of a Marine T-shirt myself.

[Polygon]

There are some corrections that need to be made here.

1. I am not a fan of forced induction in general. I don't like N2O and I don't like supercharging, I only like turbocharging. It is a personal preference. It is my opinion that turbos are far better than the other two options.

2. The Viper engine is huge. You are hardly seeing what it can do. You can get 1000HP out of it without breaking a sweat. Tuning it for more power would hardly make it "high strung." I don't here about Ferraris, BMWs, or Audis having engine trouble because they are high strung because they are highly tuned from the factory.

3. I could go into the mod for mod shit and we all know what would happen, the Viper will always come out on top. I suppose that the 8.3L was a poor example for an N/A engine so let's use the 5.7L Hemi. It isn't much larger than the 5.4L yet N/A at 9.0:1 compression ratio, being pushrod, and having an cast iron block and an aluminum head it pushes out a restricted 350HP. Now the Dodge magnum concept has this same engine with a supercharger on it. The car weighs near 5000 pounds yet the engine rocets it to 60 in 4.3 seconds. It has 430HP and 480 ft/lbs of torque. I think those numbers are reserved. Now the car version of the 5.7L Hemi should be out soon. It will be all aluminum, probably a 9.0:1 or 10.0:1 compression ratio, and still pushrod. At the very least the engine will produce 400HP, and like the truck engine it is very restricted. This is up against and engine that is only 0.3L smaller, DOHC, and supercharged. There is no doubt which is the better engine. Ford can't match the Hemi without using a supercharger.

That is my point. Rather than design something, let's just throw on a supercharger. SVT is a joke, that is all they can do. They should call themselves Supercharged Vehicles Team. They can't seem to do much else to the car besides that.

I stand by that the SRT-10 Dodge Ram is BY FAR better looking, better performing, and better quality than the Lightning, which is still a concept. The SRT-10 Ram is being built right now.

[DkShadow]

That is my point. Rather than design something, let's just throw on a supercharger. SVT is a joke, that is all they can do. They should call themselves Supercharged Vehicles Team. They can't seem to do much else to the car besides that.

I dont know where youre getting "Just throwed a Supercharger" idea from... That was pretty ignorant by your part. I guess building an engine that can withstand 800-1000rwhp isnt a big thing either? Forging the internals and making sure itll handle an s-load of boost on the stock engine is also nothing of importance?

TRUTH is, MOD for MOD, The 4.6/5.4 will come out on top. Why? Because itll respond more with mods than the SS or the V-10. Think about how much $$$ it costs to make a Viper run 10s/11s then think how much it costs for the Supercharged SVT engines. Just $1500-$2000 and youre in the 10s with a decent driver. Thats Pulleys, Full-Exhaust and chips. Yep, thats truly a joke from Ford and SVT huh?


Personally, I love superchargers. Theres no better sound than a blower whine coming from the engine and the feel of boost throughtout all the RPMS with no lag. People get neuphoric when it comes to the turbos BOV/wastegate. "Its Mad Tyte Yo.... dat car be goin PPSSSSTTTTTT.... PSSSSTTTTT!!"