350z vs 99up mustangs

[skyliner34GT500]

typical ford owner

[Neutrino]

first of all what mustang are we talking about???


second the 350Z its not a drag car.....its pretty fast donwn the 1/4 mile but its designed for the twisties not drag racing....

[J_Spec_NiTeMaRe]

Originally posted by skyliner34GT500
.... if it was only torque according to your usage....that wins races.. then how come...

an F1 car which makes about 80 ft-lbs of torque at peak output runs the quarter in ~ 9 seconds....

NO fucking way! 80 ft/lbs of torque? whaaa..... If thats true, then you just burned that guy, Skyline!

Thats funny to think that an engine that costs like 500 grand to make puts out less torque than a Civic CX, yet more horsepower than a Corvette.

[igor@af]

A stock Z is fully capable of high 13s.

[Stngstr]

Originally posted by nissan350ztt

274 at the flywheel, the stang has ~320 at the flywheel also.

1999-2003 GT = 260 hp @ flywheel, 220-230 hp @ wheels.
1999, 2001, 2002? Cobra = 320 hp @ flywheel, 270 @ wheels
2003 Cobra = 390(underrated)hp @ flywheel, 350 hp @ wheels

[skyliner34GT500]

~80 ft-lbs and an 18 k redline

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by Stngstr


1999-2003 GT = 260 hp @ flywheel, 220-230 hp @ wheels.
1999, 2001, 2002? Cobra = 320 hp @ flywheel, 270 @ wheels
2003 Cobra = 390(underrated)hp @ flywheel, 350 hp @ wheels

weight for 03 cobra 3700 lbs

[HiFlow5 0]

Originally posted by Stngstr


1999-2003 GT = 260 hp @ flywheel, 220-230 hp @ wheels.
1999, 2001, 2002? Cobra = 320 hp @ flywheel, 270 @ wheels
2003 Cobra = 390(underrated)hp @ flywheel, 350 hp @ wheels

These #'s are about right. Even though the weight of the 03 cobra is heavy, it has enough torque to run a mid 12 second time slip, with a good driver of course. A few mods and a good tune, the thing can run 11's with ease.

Now your guys keep talking about HP and torque, who has more, which will win a race etc........ Torque is what makes the car get up and go, a car with more torque should get a quicker 1/4 mile time. HP is what gives you speed, the car with more HP should top out at a higher speed in the 1/4. Of course different combination of the two will net differently. And it is possible for a car to have a faster MPH, but a slower 1/4 mile time.

As far as a 99+ Mustang vs. a 350Z. I think the Mustang will have the edge in a 1/4 mile race. It has been designed more as a straight line racer keeping with its heritage. Take it to a road coarse, then the tables would be turned, cause a stock Mustang, non-tuned, won't handle that great compared to the Z.

80 ft-lbs and an 18 k redline

Can this be right, only 80 ft/lbs of torque? Well, maybe seeing it has a red line of 18k, have to compensate somehow for no low end torque.

[Neutrino]

i agree with high flow.....extra displacement will always have the last word on 1/4 miles...so if you like to drag race the z is not the best car.....


however i like more autocrossing and flying down the twisties so i'll take the fairlady


about the 80 lbs of torque i severerily doubt that too......its seems way too low.....also how can anyone know this when the power numbers are always kept secret.....

[J_Spec_NiTeMaRe]

Originally posted by Neutrino


however i like more autocrossing and flying down the twisties so i'll take the fairlady


about the 80 lbs of torque i severerily doubt that too......its seems way too low.....also how can anyone know this when the power numbers are always kept secret.....

i dont wanna sound all analytical, but the 300z was the fairlady. technicality i know, but just to keep terms right.



i know what you mean about the secret numbers....i wonder myself. but i do believe that to be possible cause i looked up F1 engines and found technology specificallly designed to limit the torque in the engine, especially in turns, because of the car having so much horsepower. so its good to have 1000 horsepower and 80 ft lbs of tourque, with an 18k redline. it actually makes the perfect engine because you have life-stopping speed and utter control.

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by J_Spec_NiTeMaRe




i dont wanna sound all analytical, but the 300z was the fairlady. technicality i know, but just to keep terms right.



i know what you mean about the secret numbers....i wonder myself. but i do believe that to be possible cause i looked up F1 engines and found technology specificallly designed to limit the torque in the engine, especially in turns, because of the car having so much horsepower. so its good to have 1000 horsepower and 80 ft lbs of tourque, with an 18k redline. it actually makes the perfect engine because you have life-stopping speed and utter control.

actually the name of the 350Z in japan is still the fairlady Z....go on the nissan japanse website.....and IMO fairlady Z is a much classier name than 350Z


about the torque in the F1 cars i'll mke a tread about it in the F1 forum see what the other guys know too

[ShinRekka]

Hey, i just found out "IMO" means in my opinion

[GreyGoose]

First things first................ Mustang GT will win on the strip or the highway.......... 350Z will eat it up at the track......... the Mustang GT has more HP at lower RPM (TQ x RPM/5252 = HP.... 5252 is the RPM were the TQ and HP number are the same)................. the GT was build with one thing in mind POTENTIAL.

Mustang peak TQ 302 at 4000 RPM = 230HP
350Z peak TQ 274 at 4800 RPM = 250HP

Only 20HP less at 800 RPM less makes the car start pulling harder earlier and the V8 TQ line is higher even at lower RPM meaning more HP early to pull harder early.

Second............ F1 cars get their speed from Gearing and high revving Engines........ most of them have more then 20,000 RPM redline and way more then 80LBS/TQ.

80 x 18000/5252 = 274HP

[Neutrino]

Originally posted by GreyGoose

Second............ F1 cars get their speed from Gearing and high revving Engines........ most of them have more then 20,000 RPM redline and way more then 80LBS/TQ.

no nome of them passes 20k...the bmw is the highest reving with 19k....still insane though...


just a small clarification

[LjasonL]

Torque is a measurement of a twisting force. Horsepower is the rate at which force can be applied. You need both having a lot of one can make up for a little of the other. Neither is necessarily better than the other.

And 80 ft/lbs of torque at 18,000 rpm works out to something like 280hp.