N20 Question

[Self]

Originally posted by whtteg

the engine redlines hitting the fuel cutoff and suddenly there is a lean condition and you know the rest and if you don't then you don't know what you are talking about and should stay away from giving ppl advice on somethng you know nothing about.

THAT is why you kill your fuel cutoff, and have engine cutoff controlled by an aftermarket ignition system that cuts spark, rather than fuel.

[whtteg]

Originally posted by Self


THAT is why you kill your fuel cutoff, and have engine cutoff controlled by an aftermarket ignition system that cuts spark, rather than fuel.

I know, and that is why I am running a jacobs nitrous mastermind along with a ice pack, but he said it was ok to spray in 5th gear which IMO is a very bad thing unless you are going extremely fast like 100mph plus and you are in the powerband of 5th gear which in honda's is almost nonexsistant. So that is why I said that b/c I think he does not have as much knowledge about this subject as he thinks he does.

[Self]

Originally posted by whtteg


I know, and that is why I am running a jacobs nitrous mastermind along with a ice pack, but he said it was ok to spray in 5th gear which IMO is a very bad thing unless you are going extremely fast like 100mph plus and you are in the powerband of 5th gear which in honda's is almost nonexsistant. So that is why I said that b/c I think he does not have as much knowledge about this subject as he thinks he does.

heheh, I know. After I wrote that, I realized it sounded like I was being sarcastic or something, but I'm on dialup and didn' want to take another 5798 hours to fix it, lol. Didn't mean it to sound that way though, I gotcha. I was just adding a bit more info on there for him, letting him know the best way to avoid that problem was to run engine rev safety through a spark device instead of fuel

[Cronic]

I'll humor you for a second and assume your not a complete fucktard.

How exactly does your clutch fry itself?
Also, are you saying you hit the govenor RIGHT when you hit n2o in 5th? Or is this the speed factor? If you can't max out 4th, then of COURSE you shouldn't do it in 5th, but not because it will break anything. It's because there's no point if you can't go faster then 120 computer limited. I however don't have a speed limiter.... or an rpm limiter for that matter.

PS for the record, 5th gear n2o @ WOT would put LESS strain on the engine and transmission parts because the RPMS are generally lower then when you spray through redline in say.. 3rd. If you still think otherwise. Please tell us why you believe this. I'd really like to know your reasoning on it.

[Cronic]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
hmm.. that's interesting! Of course, that part of my answer was based on someone else suggestion from here so I just took heed of it. If you were going to use it in fifth gear, probably wouldn't be a good idea until you hit at least 4500 or 5k right? Whatta ya think?

Why else would you be in 5th gear using n2o?
Kind of stupid to even say that. When I shift from 4th into 5th racing Im already at VTEC 5400. So um. What's your point there?

[Mr. Anderson]

Why else would you be in 5th gear using n2o?

Didn't realize you could "make a point" with a question mark and the end of a sentence?? I always thought of those as "questions"... never claimed to be pro about anything here.. just learning like most of us. Maybe one day, I'll save up and go to a school where they teach you how to be an asshole to complete strangers online who are there to learn about things they don't know about. But until then, I stick to my proud up bringing where you have respect for others, and keeping your mouth shut about people you don't know about. So maybe you can teach me something or you can try to prove your own intelligence by pointing others opinions?? ...nice to meet you!

[Cronic]

Seriously?

[Mr. Anderson]

Seriously?

For a guy who talks alot... your one word response proves my point!

[Mr. Anderson]

I'll humor you for a second and assume your not a complete fucktard.

Cronic...my apologies! I thought this statement was directed at me! I'll have to retract my last comments made to you. Shit like that really gets to me. By the way... I'm looking to possibly turboing an H22 in May and was wondering what measures I should or could take to make the engine handle like 6-7psi from like a T25 or something? I know that those engines don't handle boost real well but someone said that you could resleeve the engine or something like that?? In other words... is there ANYTHING I can do to make the engine reliable with the boost or should I just forget it. When I get the engine I will be putting in aftermarket camshafts, pistons, lifters, etc... try to do alot of internal work and I'll be in the budget to do it all at once. What would you do....or anyone else for that matter!!?!?!?!?

[Mr. Anderson]

and to add on to that.. the car will be daily driven! I don't want a rocketship but like maybe high 14's or low 15's is what I am shooting for??

[PWMAN]

You should be doing 14's with just an H22 swap! 6 PSI is safe on stock internals and cylinders mostly. Yes if you plan to do internals make sure you have it sleeved. But if you only want to run 6 PSI then I say don't bother with the internals at all. It's a waste of money. Even more of a waste of money to put that kinda money into internals and not sleeve it because you will still only be able to run 6 PSI. Also the rods aren't that great, but like I said 6 PSI is a safe range - and you might be able to pull off low 14's high 13's with 6 PSI in an H22'd accord.

[Mr. Anderson]

hmmmmm...good shit! PWMAN is there anything that I can do to increase the strength of the rods?? Is there a such things as aftermarket rods or no? And what does "resleeving" basically mean? Not real keen on internal work, but trying to learn....thanks! Would say no, no to running the 6psi boost and the 55shot of NOS or is that a bad idea?

[whtteg]

Cronic,

Do you know anything about gear ratios? I'll take that as a no b/c if you did than you would understand what I saud about the clutch, so here ya go: 5th gear is a tall gear thus it is harder for the motor to turn it, when a sudden burst of power, such as nitrous causes, is put to the motor the clutch cannot transfere it to the tranny. When this happens the clutch slips baddly and the motor revs to the redline VERY quickly and then the rev limiter kicks in and detonation occurs and as we all know detonation will kill your motor faster than anything. And another thing you are just a newbie and there are ppl on this board who try to help ppl and keep them from being guided in the wrong direction so don't post opinions about things when ppl who know what they are talking about reply and if you feel the need to post opinions then put IMO before it so they will know that it is your opinion and that it may or may not be true.
Have a nice day

[PWMAN]

Originally posted by Mr. Anderson
Would say no, no to running the 6psi boost and the 55shot of NOS or is that a bad idea?

I would say no to both on the stock internals. But if you build it up no problem.

umm, lets see where do I start. The rods, you can have shotpeened and ARP bolts added but it's really not worth it. Having that done you might be able to run about 2 PSI more. Yes theres plenty of aftermarket, try looking up Eagle rods first. OK, the sleeves, the sleeves are the cylinders - the liners the pistons go up and down in. You can have them installed (can't really do it yourself unless you happen to own a machine shop) but it costs a pretty good penny.
But I would suggest not touching the internals, running 6 PSI will easily give you your goals of 14's. I would turbo though, forget the NOS. And if it ever blows just rebuild it to stock specs, the only reason it would blow is because something like the rings or bearings just wore out.

[whtteg]

MR ANDERSON,

I would have to say that a 55shot with boost on stock internals would be a very bad thing. And the resleeving thing is because the cylinder walls on the h22a are weak when caompared to the b18 or b16 so they can break and that is why you need to resleeve if running more than a 6-7 psi and yes you can get aftermarket rods and pistons along with rings to run more boost without it comming apart. Try searching the turbo forum and there have been lots of topics about the problems involved with boosting a h22a so you might want to read that so that you will be prepared.