97 cav theft mode on cant get it off

[Tech II]

You can get a code reader for as little as 40 bucks.....but they only read ECM/PCM codes.....they don't read "BODY" codes, or in your case IPC codes....and in most cases, they don't read data.....

Tech II is in the vicinity of $2500 bucks and there are constant updates to them.....seeing a lot of stuff from China out there, you have to be careful .......Friend of mine, bought an expensive Calloway golf club online for like 1/3 the price....the shaft cracked within a year.....sent it to Calloway for a replacement, and he was told this was a cheap copy of their club.....they wouldn't warranty it......

[comet240]

ah ic ic well did u look at both those links ever heard of them? would they tell u you IPC codes? what is IPC? the AutoEng one tells u body codes or least they say it does i guess

and i got my mother to start car while i sprayed carb cleaner in and engine was running till i stopped spraying

was too dark to test injectors ill try that tommorow will multimeter work too?

[comet240]

http://www.autoenginuity.com/ thats the site for the Auto Enginuity i was thinking of getting

and here is the http://www.drewtech.com/ for the mongoose let me know what u think about that? what do you recommend for a laptop version thats not tech 2 lol for the home user

[comet240]

hey so what can you do to help me now? what do i check for now?

what would it be narrowed down too since it will run on the carb cleaner what you want me to try now?

[Tech II]

As I stated before, tough diagnosing unless you go step by step, with proper tools and diagnostics....we can't read codes, we can't check fuel pressure, we can't check injector pulse....

Fact it starts with carb cleaner, means a fuel delievery problem......either no pressure(fuel pump/fuel circuit problem) OR the injectors are not firing(either the PCM is not receiving a reference signal, or it's not receiving a fuel enable signal, or the PCM is bad, or a wiring/power/ground problem).....

Here is one thing you can try....key out of the ignition.....disconnect neg cable first, then the positive cable........take the two cables and hold them together for a minute......reconnect pos, and then the negative....

Now, apply e-brake.......get a jumper box(don't use an electical battery charger), and attach it to the battery(make sure terminals are clean).....attempt to start car and release the key(may start and die), so it is now in the "on" position...watch the theft or security light....it may flash, or it may be on solid.....at the end of 10 minutes, it should stop flashing and go out, or if on solid, should go out......now, shut off for 5 seconds, and just turn key to on(don't crank).....wait 10 minutes until the light goes out.....shut off for 5 seconds, then turn key to on(don't crank)......wait for 10 minutes until light goes out.......turn key to off......wait 5 seconds....now see if vehicle starts....

As for those programs, I have never used them, so I can't give any insight on what they are capable of doing....

The IPC is the Instrument Panel Cluster.......sometimes called a smart cluster.....

I would recommend getting a used manual for your vehicle, if you want to work on it.....

[comet240]

ah ok ill try that tommorow now if i do the key thing again i did before after 10 min the light still stays on is that good or bad?

what handheld ones for obd could do what urs does? or probably none i guess ill try this one more thing and then off to the gm dealer lol

as for the manual i already have one but it doesnt tell me that kinda stuff its just the haynes book cuz i have a 2004 cav and sister has sunfires so it covers all that cuz i got problems with my 2004 power steering

but if say hypathetical anyways but where does the reference signal and the fuel enable singal coming from thats the thing in the steering colum? and can i just replace that also and which one would it be as i have a bunch of plugs on there and no sure i figured it be the one on the left hand side of the steering column but hypatically if that was bad would that cause it

and whats a reference signal

but ill try that touching the terminals together but i dont have a jumper box i just use my other car i have 2 golf cart batteries in it but why dont u wanna use a booster cables and what does putting the 2 battery terminals together actually do?

[comet240]

so i got bored and went and tried your tricks tonight had nothing better to do

so i did the terminal touching and the 10 min 5 seconds thing light never went out ever

then tried starting nothing if i let the key turn off say 5 times it will start for a second and it will try to start also like if it were flooded in the old style cars but light never shuts off

so best guess what would it be would it be the sensor as orginally the car was burning the new cats i put on it turned them red hot and i let it idle for an hour and it shut off and then after that i was trying to start it but i dont remember the light being on and the local garage said the cats will turn red hot sometimes when the rad coolant sensor not working and it thinks car is -40 degree weather so pumps more fuel in the engine

but ya so now what lol i think has to be that sensor but who knows lol

[comet240]

hi i got another question i have a 97 sunfire also so they both same cars then so i wanna test parts from the sunfire on the cav but i wana try first is the sensor passlock one is t hat in the steering colum on the left hand side with the wires coming out for starting the vehicle?
os is it in the ignition cylinder where 4 tiny wires are coming out of?

this way i can trouble shoot a little more