09R and Hitotsuyama solved...

[amanichen]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

We're discussing this photo on SC.net and I figured that several people here might be interested in seeing it. It is yet another shot of GTR #07R in the hands of AMG during their development of the CLK GTR.

It's sacrilege I tell you!

I wonder what McLaren's reaction was to this...after all they keep close watch on all the cars.

[Peloton25]

Hehe - their reaction was to build a nearly identical GTR for the 1997 racing season.

Honestly - the car didn't belong to them, it was Fabien Giroix's to sell to whomever he wanted following the 1995 BPR season. I'd love to know the details of the transaction.

>8^)
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[alistair_1990]

sorry its a bit off topic now but somone mentioned a replica, is that true and does anyone have some photos of it?

[amanichen]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

Honestly - the car didn't belong to them, it was Fabien Giroix's to sell to whomever he wanted following the 1995 BPR season. I'd love to know the details of the transaction.

I didn't mean to imply that McLaren would want to "repossess" it, but rather they might refuse to service a car that had been modified in such a deliberate manner by a third party.

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by alistair_1990

sorry its a bit off topic now but somone mentioned a replica, is that true and does anyone have some photos of it?

The replica mentioned was a replica of the #59 LeMans winner that was built using another GTR chassis for the Brunei Royal Family. The only known photo of it is on the first page, but I will copy it here.



The car was apparently completed for the BRF by McLaren because they wanted to buy the original and McLaren Cars were not interested in selling it.

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Originally Posted by amanichen

I didn't mean to imply that McLaren would want to "repossess" it, but rather they might refuse to service a car that had been modified in such a deliberate manner by a third party.

Given the value of the car, I wouldn't think that AMG would make any permanent changes to it that would affect their ability to resell it once their development work was completed. It's almost shocking that they would spend the kind of money one assumes would be necessary for a development car like an F1 GTR, but seeing how they probably knew they could recoup the investment it's not so bad.

>8^)
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[Peloton25]

Hey Monty - Welcome back. I assume you have email notification turned on for this thread.

Will you ever be able to contribute more to this particular thread:

British GT Championship GTR's

I'm hoping so, as shots of those liveries (especially the LLoyds one) are extremely rare.

Thanks in advance for anything you can share!

>8^)
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[cabrio92]

Hello,

I didn't mean to imply that McLaren would want to "repossess" it, but rather they might refuse to service a car that had been modified in such a deliberate manner by a third party.

Today, McLaren is associated with Mercedes

Another thing : this is the 07R which is to sell on carclassic ? It is abnormal that they don't mention this fact on the add ? In the same time, it justify the 230,000$ bill

Ciao
Phil

[mini magic]

Carclassic is just a site that lists cars for sale in different places. They are a broker of sorts. I'm not sure how they actually make money though since most of the cars are advertised by the dealers selling them.

Also, how do we know the AMG car is 007R? Is there any solid proof that it is?

[Peloton25]

Originally Posted by mini magic

Also, how do we know the AMG car is 007R? Is there any solid proof that it is?

Because I said so...

I had a source for the info long ago and have no doubt it's accurate.

>8^)
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[mini magic]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

Because I said so...

I had a source for the info long ago and have no doubt it's accurate.

>8^)
ER

So do i and he says differently and i'm 99% sure about my source too.


hummm....

[TcarR]

Driving Ambition, page 227:

"Fabian Giroix (GRT) raced a new F1 GTR with J-DD, backed by Franck Muller Technowatch, the swiss watchmaker. AMG meanwhile bought the '95 model and were to use it as a test bed for their forthcoming V12-engined endurance challenger"

The 95 model mentioned is 07R as that was the one GRT owned.

Thank God for Driving Ambition

[Peloton25]

No - thank god for TcarR!

I thought the reference to this info was in the 'bible', and went looking the other night, but not very hard. I got sidetracked and never went back to it, so thanks for clearing that up.

>8^)
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[arjan916]

Originally Posted by Peloton25

The replica mentioned was a replica of the #59 LeMans winner that was built using another GTR chassis for the Brunei Royal Family. The only known photo of it is on the first page, but I will copy it here.



The car was apparently completed for the BRF by McLaren because they wanted to buy the original and McLaren Cars were not interested in selling it.

= = = = = =



Given the value of the car, I wouldn't think that AMG would make any permanent changes to it that would affect their ability to resell it once their development work was completed. It's almost shocking that they would spend the kind of money one assumes would be necessary for a development car like an F1 GTR, but seeing how they probably knew they could recoup the investment it's not so bad.

>8^)
ER

Unfortunatly I can't see the no.59 picture anymore.
I found a scanned wheels article, which said it's Brunei's replica.
Sorry, if it's a repost

[F1GTRUeno]

Is that one of the two black LM's on the left?

[Peloton25]

Someone - maybe mini magic or basman007 - posted this enhanced shot a few years back.



What you are thinking might be the side of one of the black LMs is actually the nose of a silver Dauer 962 instead. The car on the far right is a Jaguar XJR-15 and I forget what some of the others were identified as.

>8^)
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