They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful...

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by CL8

That site you posted MR is full of lies and distortions about Christ,
obviously by someone who cannot comprehend the wisdom or holiness of God, and has no respect for either.

I disagree (big surprise) . That site does the same thing as any bible study lesson, and the same as many Sunday sermons. Distortion and lies apparently are synonomous with biblical interpretation. The difference simply lies with whether you agree with the results.

Just because you disagree with the results of that site makes them no less valid than your interpretation.


That site backs up the interpretation with many biblical quotes, and, like many biblical scholars, interprets them to fit a modern world. IMO the logic of the conclusions is reasonable and sound.

Imho, if you disagree with the conclusion, the fault does not lie with that site, it lies with the flawed fairy-tale upon which it is based - the bible. Now, of course, many so-called Christian morals are actually beneficial and constructive, therefore, I think that many modern Christians are actually more moral and helpful than the bible is..... and in fact,a literal devotion to the bible hampers modern Christianity more than it helps.

EDIT: That site continues my position, as seen here: http://www.bandoli.no/whyimmoral2.htm

[CL8]

Originally Posted by MagicRat

I disagree (big surprise) . That site does the same thing as any bible study lesson, and the same as many Sunday sermons. Distortion and lies apparently are synonomous with biblical interpretation. The difference simply lies with whether you agree with the results.

Maybe I can make my point with a simple sentence that was shown at an investing conference I went to a while back.:

Prosperityisnowhere.

The author of this statement has a message they want to convey,
but the way you read it, it could be taken one of two ways.
First think how do you read it?

Many will see "prosperity is "NOWHERE", giving them a pesimmistic attitude about their income and finances.
The other way people read this is "Prosperity is "NOW HERE".
The intended messeage of the author and the optimistic attitude for income and finances.

The bible is the same way, people can interpret it the way the author intended and get it right,
or the way that was not intended by the author and get it wrong,
which is what the writer of those articles on the sites you posted did, and got it WAY wrong.

Just because you disagree with the results of that site makes them no less valid than your interpretation.

Correct, the fact I disagree with that site has no bearing on how valid that interpretation is.
However, the INTENDED message of the author is what determines if the writer of the articles is right or wrong.

That site backs up the interpretation with many biblical quotes, and, like many biblical scholars, interprets them to fit a modern world. IMO the logic of the conclusions is reasonable and sound.

Of course you realize the modern world has ALWAYS been against traditional bible doctrine the way the church and theologins state them, in EVERY generation.

Imho, if you disagree with the conclusion, the fault does not lie with that site, it lies with the flawed fairy-tale upon which it is based - the bible. Now, of course, many so-called Christian morals are actually beneficial and constructive, therefore, I think that many modern Christians are actually more moral and helpful than the bible is..... and in fact,a literal devotion to the bible hampers modern Christianity more than it helps.

MagicRat, you are doing the same thing GForce957 did.
Esentially you are saying "Christians" are still "Christians" even if they don't follow the the teachings of the book of their own religion.
If Christian doctrine in the Bible commands me to attack and annihilate those who are not Christian,
and I don't follow that command, then I could hardly be called "Christian", certainly not in practice, then why call me a Christian at all?
If you believe in a doctrine you will ACT upon it, otherwise your belief in it is not validated.

EDIT: That site continues my position, as seen here: http://www.bandoli.no/whyimmoral2.htm

[HotZ28]

Al Qaeda-linked terror suspect sets off explosives on Detroit-bound Northwest Airlines Flight 253

[CL8]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

Al Qaeda-linked terror suspect sets off explosives on Detroit-bound Northwest Airlines Flight 253

It's truely only the grace of God, giving ordinary citizens like the passenger on flight 253, courage to stand up to these terrorists, that we haven't had another successful terrorist attack like 911.

Every American must agree these type of terrorists need to be subdued and taken out for the murderous criminals they really are.

[Shpuker]

If a Christian does not follow god they're still a Christian.

But along the same lines, it means nothing to be a believer in god if you do not follow the word, hell Satan is a devout believer in god.

[CL8]

Originally Posted by Shpuker

If a Christian does not follow god they're still a Christian.

But along the same lines, it means nothing to be a believer in god if you do not follow the word, hell Satan is a devout believer in god.

True,
as in the book of James, you show your faith by your works.
Otherwise your faith is not saving faith if you claim to believe but don't obey the commands of the God you say you have faith in.

[Shpuker]

Originally Posted by CL8

True,
as in the book of James, you show your faith by your works.
Otherwise your faith is not saving faith if you claim to believe but don't obey the commands of the God you say you have faith in.

Yea, tis kinda funny.

I'm kinda up in the air on 'God' or in an almighty being that has power over everything, but I follow the teachings of Jesus and his followers (as a kinda guideline to help me through) seems to work pretty well for me

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

Al Qaeda-linked terror suspect sets off explosives on Detroit-bound Northwest Airlines Flight 253

peaceful bastard

[HotZ28]

The American Muslim community, is now saying we should basically accept this incident as yet another isolated case of a "mentally deranged" person, just as they routinely condemn many attacks on civilians done in the name of their faith.

Let’s not forget that there are more than a billion Muslims around the world, most of who have engaged in no more (or less) violent activity than members of any other faith.

Yet, there is that small fraction of Muslims who take another, horrible meaning from their sacred texts and act upon it. We will try to be conservative in our estimates and assume that only one-tenth of one percent of Muslims in the world hold to this violent ideology, now that's only one million Islamic terrorist looking for an opportunity to commit jihad!

Terrorism Suspect Had Privileged Upbringing




Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab is accused of trying to detonate an explosive device aboard a jet as it approached Detroit on Christmas. (saharareporters.com)

LAGOS, Nigeria (Dec. 27) -- As a member of an uppercrust Nigerian family, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab received the best schooling, from the elite British International School in West Africa to the vaunted University College London.

But the education he wanted was of a different sort: Nigerian officials say his interest in extremist Islam prompted his father to warn U.S. authorities. As Abdulmutallab was being escorted in handcuffs off the Detroit-bound airliner he attempted to blow up on Christmas Day, he told U.S. officials that he had sought an extremist education at an Islamist hotbed in Yemen.

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by CL8

It's truely only the grace of God, giving ordinary citizens like the passenger on flight 253, courage to stand up to these terrorists, that we haven't had another successful terrorist attack like 911.

Every American must agree these type of terrorists need to be subdued and taken out for the murderous criminals they really are.

God had nothing to do with it. God is either a flawed sadist to create/allow such religious conflict, (often in his name ) or simply doesn't exist.

The full credit goes to some passengers, crew and the incompetency of the bomb-maker.

Unfortunately, even though the plane did not crash, the bomber has already won, so to speak. His actions precipitated new rules and procedures which has produced delays, annoyance, frustration and increased expenses for airlines, security agencies and thousands of travellers, making it another blow to Western society.

Originally Posted by HotZ28

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The American Muslim community, is now saying we should basically accept this incident as yet another isolated case of a "mentally deranged" person, just as they routinely condemn many attacks on civilians done in the name of their faith.

Let’s not forget that there are more than a billion Muslims around the world, most of who have engaged in no more (or less) violent activity than members of any other faith.

A good friend of mine who is Muslim hates seeing events like this. Each one only serves to reinforce anti-Muslim opinions and actions. It does not help their lives, their religion and offends their sensibilities. IMO moderate Islam around the world needs to do more to eliminate the causes of such radicalization.

Here is a great article on the challange at hand:

Robert Fulford: The West has work to do
Posted: December 26, 2009, 10:30 AM by NP Editor
Robert Fulford

Of all the lessons learned in this painful decade, the most terrifying by far is that the West faces a long-term challenge from radical Islam. Crucial ideas about the future of democracy will increasingly focus on the passionate, articulate jihadist movement that is now making war on the West and everything the West cherishes.

There’s small comfort to be found in the fact that most Muslims deplore violence. Even if Islamists and their sympathizers are only a tiny minority, the vehemence and dedication of their movement can exert great influence in many countries. One Islamist dream, to begin by introducing shariah law, is not crazy. There are politicians who think of it as an interesting compromise.

What should worry us, at this stage, is our response to Islamists. Are we strong enough to fight them off? They assume we are not. They consider us lazy, decadent and complacent — and they have plenty of evidence to support their argument.

Above all, we lack self-confidence. Since the success of Martin Luther in the sixteenth century, the West has revered self-criticism. We all know that the states in North and South America established themselves by violence and that Europe grew rich through its colonies. In the universities the young learn one central belief: We are guilty! In comparing ourselves with other forms of society, our first self-hating instinct is to adopt a perverse moral disarmament.

We need a bracing new leadership, indifferent to popularity and fashion, willing to emphasize the virtues of the West in education, business and the media as well as government. Multiculturalism has taught us the outlandish belief that no culture is better than another.

We badly need to unlearn that lesson, which no one else believes or ever has. We must also recall that every generation has to re-assert the value of free speech. Otherwise (history teaches) it dies.

The 1989 fatwa that sentenced Salman Rushdie to death for a novel looks in retrospect like a declaration of war, a message sent by the 10-year-old Islamic Republic of Iran and its leader, the Ayatollah Khomeini: We despise freedom of speech and we will violate it on your own ground. That was outrageous but some in the West, offering a perverse version of what they considered tolerance, thought that perhaps anti-Rushdie hatred was justified, given that he had violated Islamic principles. Some journalists argued that he mainly wanted to create a sensation. In Canada the CBC put on the air Muslim professors who defended Khomeini’s decision. Rushdie himself was given state protection in Britain but publishers delayed or cancelled paperback editions out of fear. Violent riots in Muslim countries proved that Islamic opinion, when sufficiently outraged, could be formidable.

In 2005, when an obscure Danish cartoonist made satirical drawings of Mohammed, riots were more widespread and more frightening. In the West governments tried to distance themselves from the cartoonist and many publishers avoided reproducing the drawings. A little of the principle of free speech was chipped away. It was another victory for Khomeini’s way of thinking.

In Europe, opposition to the Muslim presence currently expresses itself in symbolic terms, not always in ways that express traditional European values. In November the Swiss voted to ban the construction of minarets. Many Muslim-dominated countries persecute Christians but making laws on religious architecture has not previously been a part of Swiss democracy.

The French President, Nicolas Sarkozy, whose country has far more Muslims than any other in Europe (between five and six million) feels he must address the problem with ambiguous delicacy. This month he once more came down on both sides. He promised to maintain the right of “my Muslim countrymen” to practice their religion but warned that Muslims must avoid “ostentation or provocation.” Sarkozy has said “the burqa has no place in France,” but the French constitution probably wouldn’t permit him to outlaw it. At the moment he has his Immigration Minister, Eric Besson, holding public meetings on French values, clearly in the hope of winning non-Muslim votes in the March regional elections.

In 1940, when Britain and the Dominions stood alone against Nazi Germany, the National Film Board in Ottawa devoted itself to producing anti-Nazi propaganda. The first director of the NFB, John Grierson, tried to make clear how important their work was. At that time Oswald Spengler’s best-selling treatise, Decline of the West, was being discussed. Grierson said to his colleagues, “Decline of the West? Do you believe that? If you do, you’re wasting your time here, because we’ve work to do.”

[blazee]

True story....

Originally Posted by crazy christian

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said, "Stop! Don't do it!" "Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!" He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well, are you religious or atheist?" He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are your Christian or Buddhist?" He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?" He said, "Protestant." I said, Me too! Are your Episcopalian or Baptist? He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are your Baptist Church of God or Baptist Church of the Lord? He said, Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are your Original Baptist Church of God or are you Reformed Baptist Church of God?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" I said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God, Reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die, heretic scum!" and pushed him off.

[HotZ28]

Some more "pronouncments" from Emo!

Subject: Emo, Emo and More Emo!

[In case you don't know Emo, here, by way of introduction, are a few of his
pronouncements... -psl]

Forwarded-by: [email protected] (Keith Bostic)

Emo Phillips was pulled over in Massachusetts for reckless driving. When
brought before the judge, Emo was asked if he knew what the punishment for
drunk driving in that state was. His reply: "I don't know, reelection to
the Senate?"

...and always remember the last words of my grandfather, who said "A truck!"
-- Emo Phillips

I got in a fight one time with a really big guy, and he said, "I'm going to
mop the floor with your face." I said, "You'll be sorry." He said, "Oh,
yeah? Why?" I said, "Well, you won't be able to get into the corners very
well."
-- Emo Phillips

The toughest time... in anyone's life... is when you have to kill a loved
one just because they're the devil.
-- Emo Phillips

I ran three miles today, finally I said "Lady, take your purse."
-- Emo Phillips

I'm a great lover, I'll bet.
-- Emo Phillips

People come up to me and say, "Emo, do people really come up to you?"
-- Emo Phillips

People come up to me and they're worried... that I'll reproduce.
-- Emo Phillips

Some mornings it just doesn't seem worth it to gnaw through the leather

straps.
-- Emo Phillips

I was at a bar nursing a beer. My nipple was getting quite soggy.
-- Emo Phillips

I was walking down the street, something caught my eye... and dragged
it fifteen feet.
-- Emo Phillips

I went into Gus's artificial organ and taco stand. I said "Give me a
bladder por favor." The guy said "Is that to go?" I said, "Well, what
else would I want it for?"
-- Emo Phillips

You know, a lot of girls go out with me just to further their careers...
damn anthropologists.
-- Emo Phillips

I was in a bar the other night, hopping from barstool to barstool, trying
to get lucky -- but there wasn't any gum under any of them.
-- Emo Phillips

The other day a woman came up to me and said, "Didn't I see you on
television?" I said, "I don't know. You can't see out the other way."
-- Emo Phillips

I love to go down to the schoolyard and watch all the little children jump
up and down and run around yelling and screaming... They don't know I'm only
using blanks.
-- Emo Phillips

I discovered my wife in bed with another man, and I was crushed.
So I said, "Get off me, you two!"
-- Emo Phillips

I was walking across a bridge one day, and I saw a man standing on the
edge, about to jump off. So I ran over and said "Stop! don't do it!"
"Why shouldn't I?" he said. I said, "Well, there's so much to live for!"
He said, "Like what?" I said, "Well... are you religious or atheist?"
He said, "Religious." I said, "Me too! Are you Christian or Buddhist?"
He said, "Christian." I said, "Me too! Are you Catholic or Protestant?"
He said, "Protestant." I said, "Me too! Are you Episcopalian or Baptist?"
He said, "Baptist!" I said, "Wow! Me too! Are you Baptist Church of God
or Baptist Church of the Lord?" He said, "Baptist Church of God!" I said,
"Me too! Are you original Baptist Church of God, or are you reformed
Baptist Church of God?" He said, "Reformed Baptist Church of God!" I
said, "Me too! Are you Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of
1879, or Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915?" He said,
"Reformed Baptist Church of God, reformation of 1915!" I said, "Die,
heretic scum", and pushed him off.
-- Emo Phillips

At my lemonade stand I used to give the first glass away free and charge
five dollars for the second glass. The refill contained the antidote.
-- Emo Phillips

I'm from Downers Grove, Illinois. We had a blackout there the other day,
but fortunately the police made him get back into his car before he got
too far.
-- Emo Phillips

The IRS sent back my tax return saying I owed $800. I said "If you'll
notice, I sent a paper clip with my return. Given what you've been paying
for things lately, that should more than make up the difference."
-- Emo Phillips

A friend of mine gave me a Philip Glass record. I listened to it for five
hours before I realized it had a scratch on it.
-- Emo Phillips

You know what I hate? Indian givers... no, I take that back.
-- Emo Phillips

[Shpuker]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

Some more "pronouncments" from Emo!

LOL at the epic win

[thegladhatter]

Yeah....they ARE the peaceful ones! The bastards!

There have been more attacks on churches in Malaysia, in a growing dispute over the use of the word Allah by non-Muslims.

The police say petrol bombs were thrown at a church and a convent school in the northern state of Perak, and at a church on the island of Sarawak.

Another church in the south of the country was daubed with black paint.

The attacks come days after four churches near the capital, Kuala Lumpur, were hit by petrol bombs.

[fredjacksonsan]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

The American Muslim community, is now saying we should basically accept this incident as yet another isolated case of a "mentally deranged" person, just as they routinely condemn many attacks on civilians done in the name of their faith.

Hmmm....well you certainly don't see mentally deranged Catholics, Baptists, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, Protestants, Lutherans or Atheists trying to blow up planes, themselves, or bunches of women and children in a marketplace.