They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful...

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by CL8

Like "global Warming"!!!

So..... when you have exhausted your argument, you derail the discussion and set everyone off on a wild, unrelated tangent.
Way to go!

[blazee]

Originally Posted by CL8

according to the bible, the only one "good" is God.
The only way a person has "goodness" is by the blood of Christ covering his sin, when he puts his faith in him.

We are ALL depraved sinners.

And yet again, that is not what we were talking about. I'm sure that you think your replies are brilliant, however, your constant, pathetic attempts to deflect the topics do nothing, but highlight your inability to carry on an intelligent conversation.

[CL8]

Alright back to the topic:

"They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful..."


First off is anyone aware of the info in this article about Americas first war?:

Most Americans don’t realize that the very first foreign military engagement of the United States after gaining our independence was a response to proactive Muslim aggression — the First Barbary War, fought in the Mediterranean Sea. Muslim pirates had been demanding, and receiving, the Jizyah tax from American trade ships in exchange for safe passage, which eventually amounted to 20 percent of U.S. government annual revenues by the year 1800. In 1786, when Thomas Jefferson and John Adams went to negotiate with Tripoli’s ambassador in London, they asked him by what right the pirates extorted money and took slaves. Jefferson reported to Congress: ‘The ambassador answered us that [the right] was founded on the Laws of the Prophet (Muhammad), that it was written in their Quran, that all nations who should not have answered their authority were sinners, that it was their right and duty to make war upon them wherever they could be found, and to make slaves of all they could take as prisoners, and that every Mussulman (Muslim) who should be slain in battle was sure to go to heaven.’
Upon Jefferson’s inauguration as president in 1801, further ransoms were denied, and a four-year war was eventually launched against Tripoli that ended in U.S. victory, now memorialized in the U.S. Marine Hymn. Ironically, it was Jefferson’s Quran that U.S. Congressman Keith Ellison was recently sworn in on.

The rest of the article can be found at:
http://collegetimes.us/islam-is-not-...eful-religion/

This is sound evidence that Islamic leaders PROMOTE aggression, even if many followers don't pursue that aggression.

Beyond this, Leaders of ANY ideology can legitimately be "peaceful" if they have successfully beaten down and forced their opponents into "submission" (Ironically what "Islam" means), There will be peace because the opponents are not resisting, but have been abused into submission. which happens in all Muslim countries.
And of course they will claim they are peaceful, to get acceptance by the rest of the world.

This describes the Muslim religion exactly. And anyone who will deny it is turning a blind eye to all the abuses in the name of Islam.

[GForce957]

I have a hard time taking an article seriously when the next links below it are- world's most extreme bodybuilders and 10 WTF pictures that can make you LOL....

Many ideologies in the world that, by their nature, seek ‘good’ have been perverted to accomplish ‘evil.’ Hitler justified his wars by claiming allegiance with Christianity. The perversions justified by the Catholic Church, likewise, are almost limitless — and interestingly, they have yet to add ‘Mein Kampf’ to their ‘Index of Forbidden Books.’ There are other non-religious, well-meaning ideologies that have less than ideal results, like Communism.

Islam is different from many ‘well-meaning’ religious and social ideologies in that the ideology itself contains oppressive elements — it requires no perverting.

So Catholicism is on the same level as Nazism, which explains why Mein Kampf isn't on the list of Forbidden Books ( I like that little barb) and Communism is on that same level too? Maybe my history is a little rusty but I dont see it. If you take Christianity to the T then it doesn't require perverting either, it's just most Christians nowadays pick and choose what they believe. At their cores I would say that Communism would probably be the most peaceful...

Many Muslims respond to exposures like this by saying that verses have been ‘mistranslated’

Sounds like Christianity....

There are only those that follow the teachings of Islam and those that don’t. Islamic ‘terrorists’ simply choose to follow all such teachings, while most Muslims reject the teachings that they sensibly, and commendably, conclude are oppressive — even though they have trouble condemning Islamic ‘terrorists’ dogmatically.

Also sounds like Christianity. If you follow the Bible as strictly as possible, which almost every Christian doesn't, then it leads into similar behavior as the Quran.

[CL8]

Originally Posted by GForce957

So Catholicism is on the same level as Nazism, which explains why Mein Kampf isn't on the list of Forbidden Books ( I like that little barb) and Communism is on that same level too? Maybe my history is a little rusty but I dont see it. If you take Christianity to the T then it doesn't require perverting either, it's just most Christians nowadays pick and choose what they believe. At their cores I would say that Communism would probably be the most peaceful...

Thats laughable gforce957,
this article is pointing out by their past and current actions (abuse of their women, "bloody borders" and the piracy,
which still is going on especially near Somalia today), the non-peaceful, even violent tendencies of Islam,
And the best you can come back with is to say that Christianity is the same,
the only reasons Christians today don't use violence like many Muslims is because they "pick and Choose" what to follow from the bible,
as if the bible commands Christians to be abusive and violent, they just don't obey the bible!

What other joke can you post for us here?

Also sounds like Christianity. If you follow the Bible as strictly as possible, which almost every Christian doesn't,

then it leads into similar behavior as the Quran.

Yes, we Christians are mean, violent people we just don't choose to act that way!

You're right! the second of the great commandments in the New testament is NOT "love thy neighbor as thyself", rather it's kill those who aren't Christian.

That must be why there are so many Christians going around killing unbelievers now just because they are unbelievers !!!!

[drunken monkey]

wow.
Congratulations on ignoring historical context once again.

Prior to 1783, the American ships were under protection of either the Royal Navy or the French Navy as they were either colonists or (signed) allies.
After this date, they were accountable for their own protection.
Ships which bore the Union Jack of Tricolor were still largely safe.
If it was as you suggested that they promote violence then surely all possible Islamic parties involved would've taken part in the war but not all did and that no such peace agreement would've been possible.


Besides, it wasn't the first foreign military engagement.
That would be the Franco-American war in which America took a stance of neutrality in the existing war between France and Great Britain; a stance which angered the French as in essence, the newly formed United States was wrangling out of past debts owed to France and form new alliances when/as it pleased.
That anger caused the French to start attacking American ships.

And why the emphasis on foreign engagement?
Is that so you can conveniently ignore the wars that were going on within the United States as well as the war with the UK that arose later where the United States tried to invade British ruled Canada?

Perhaps if anything can be gleamed from history is that the United States is founded on war, invasion, backing out of agreements and debts and turning their backs on allies if it suits them.

[thegladhatter]

How's the koolaide over there?

[drunken monkey]

wait a minute, you distracted from your poor discussion about the validity of Christianity again.
Darn.

[CL8]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

How's the koolaide over there?

They are already dead from drinking it!

[Shpuker]

Originally Posted by CL8

That must be why there are so many Christians going around killing unbelievers now just because they are unbelievers !!!!

Originally Posted by GForce967

Also sounds like Christianity. If you follow the Bible as strictly as possible, which almost every Christian doesn't,

lol?

[MagicRat]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

wait a minute, you distracted from your poor discussion about the validity of Christianity again.
Darn.

Well, CL8 has moved this discussion into the Song Title Game as a subtext. Just review the last couple of pages.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...91750&page=246

I think that discussion should be incorporated here, where it belongs.

Originally Posted by CL8

Thats laughable gforce957,
this article is pointing out by their past and current actions (abuse of their women, "bloody borders" and the piracy,
which still is going on especially near Somalia today), the non-peaceful, even violent tendencies of Islam,
And the best you can come back with is to say that Christianity is the same,
the only reasons Christians today don't use violence like many Muslims is because they "pick and Choose" what to follow from the bible,
as if the bible commands Christians to be abusive and violent, they just don't obey the bible!

What other joke can you post for us here?Yes, we Christians are mean, violent people we just don't choose to act that way!

You're right! the second of the great commandments in the New testament is NOT "love thy neighbor as thyself", rather it's kill those who aren't Christian.

That must be why there are so many Christians going around killing unbelievers now just because they are unbelievers !!!!

Not laughable at all Gforce has a very good point, and yours is distorted.

The Christian mayhem, threats and violence were fundamental principles as attributed to Jesus, their chief disciple.

http://www.bandoli.no/whyimmoral1.htm

[CL8]

Originally Posted by MagicRat

Well, CL8 has moved this discussion into the Song Title Game as a subtext. Just review the last couple of pages.

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...91750&page=246

I think that discussion should be incorporated here, where it belongs.



Not laughable at all Gforce has a very good point, and yours is distorted.

The Christian mayhem, threats and violence were fundamental principles as attributed to Jesus, their chief disciple.

http://www.bandoli.no/whyimmoral1.htm

You are right, in another way it is pathetic more than laughable because
unbelievers don't comprehend the seriousnes of their distortions of God and his word.

Also, rebukes are not the same as violence.
If someone is heading for a steep cliff, are you threatening them by warning them they will be seriously hurt if they keep going?

That site you posted MR is full of lies and distortions about Christ,
obviously by someone who cannot comprehend the wisdom or holiness of God, and has no respect for either.

[GForce957]

Lol, who said I was an unbeliever? I just have a much different view of Christianity and other religions than you do.

Instead of just saying that MR's link is full of lies and deceit, how about an actual rebuttal? Hard to engage in a debate when the other side just says you are wrong and that's that.

[HotZ28]

Back to the subject of this thread; "They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful..." These students may be downplayed as part of the radical 10% of Muslims.

Students Linked to al Qaeda

Some Americans are believed to have become radicalized via the Internet.

The men, described as defiant, told investigators it was the duty of all Muslims to wage jihad against those who were killing Muslims, Mr. Anwar said.

[CL8]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

Back to the subject of this thread; "They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful..." These students may be downplayed as part of the radical 10% of Muslims.

Students Linked to al Qaeda

As gladhatter said here:

I, for the life of me, can't understand how ANY civilized, sensible person could defend these maggots!!!