They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful...

[thegladhatter]

…and Islam is the religion of peace?!?

Minister beaten after clashing with Muslims on his TV show
By Jonathan Petre
Last updated at 4:39 PM on 15th March 2009
A Christian minister who has had heated arguments with Muslims on his TV Gospel show has been brutally attacked by three men who ripped off his cross and warned: ‘If you go back to the studio, we’ll break your legs.’
The Reverend Noble Samuel was driving to the studio when a car pulled over in front of him. A man got out and came over to ask him directions in Urdu.
Mr Samuel, based at Heston United Reformed Church, West London, said: ‘He put his hand into my window, which was half open, and grabbed my hair and opened the door.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...s-TV-show.html

[BNaylor]

The Muslims I know or have worked with are in essence peaceful. The Islamic radical extremist and fundamentalists that perpetrate these bad acts or hate crimes add new meaning to that religion and have grossly distorted it. They give the others within that religion a bad name. Wahhabi and Takfeeri Muslims are a prime example.

[HotZ28]

I agree Bob, I have some excellent Muslim friends at work, who are fine family orientated people. We rarely discuss religion or politics, but during the election, one of them was boasting that he was voting for Obama, so I asked him why? He said that he thought Obama was really a Muslim at heart and would do more for the Muslims people than the other candidate. I did not argue with him, in fact all I could do was agree!

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but it seems that all terrorist are Muslim! What good is it for a person to gain the whole world & forfeit their own life? I hope that one of these days, Allah will run out of virgins, so all the terror & human sacrifices can come to an end!

[03cavPA]

Hang on, let's be fair. I'm not defending Muslim terrorists, but Tim McVeigh, the Unabomber, then the radicals back in the 70's, like the Weathermen, SDS, etc.?

How about the IRA? What about the Basque separatist movement?

Granted, the Muslims are the most rabid and plentiful, but not the only ones.

[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

Hang on, let's be fair. I'm not defending Muslim terrorists, but Tim McVeigh, the Unabomber, then the radicals back in the 70's, like the Weathermen, SDS, etc.?

How about the IRA? What about the Basque separatist movement?

Granted, the Muslims are the most rabid and plentiful, but not the only ones.

Fair enough, lets give credit where credit is due!

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by 03cavPA

Hang on, let's be fair. I'm not defending Muslim terrorists, but Tim McVeigh, the Unabomber, then the radicals back in the 70's, like the Weathermen, SDS, etc.?
How about the IRA? What about the Basque separatist movement?
Granted, the Muslims are the most rabid and plentiful, but not the only ones.

NONE of those hold a candle to the islamic nutjobs! Their holy book specifically directs the devout to destroy the infidels.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by bagwanshrirashnish

NONE of those hold a candle to the islamic nutjobs! Their holy book specifically directs the devout to destroy the infidels.

could you point to the verse?

[03cavPA]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

could you point to the verse?

http://www.world-destiny.org/upteachofislam.htm

I am not a student of that book, but it has some thoughts there.

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

could you point to the verse?

O believers! Take not infidels for friends rather than believers. Would
you furnish God with clear right to punish you? 4:143

The male shall have the portion of two females. 4:175

And if you have become unclean, then purify yourselves. But if you
are sick, or on a journey, of if one of you come from the place of
retirement, of if you have touched women, and you find no water,
then take clean sand and rub your faces and you hands with it. 5:9

O Believers! Take not the Jews or Christians as friends. They are
but one another's friends. If any one of you takes them for his
friends, he surely is one of them! 5:56

Of all men you will certainly find the Jews, and those who join other
gods with God, to be the most intense in hatred of those who believe;
and you shall certainly find those to be nearest in affection to them
who say, We are Christians.' This, because some of them are priests
and monks, and because they are free from pride. 5:85

Fight then against them until strife be at an end, and the religion be all
of it God's. 8:40

This is just a smattering of verses from their holy book. Now I am sure there are some who are less devout....and prefer civilization over living in caves and other squaller...that don't adhear to all of those teachings, but, none the less, that kind of stuff is taught in their holy book.

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by HotZ28

I hope that one of these days, Allah will run out of virgins, so all the terror & human sacrifices can come to an end!

Yeah Bo we joke about that all the time here. Actually it is not 72 virgins they will meet in paradise but a 72 year old virgin.


Here are some more to add to the list. Can't vouch for the accuracy. However, when taken at face value it shocks you to see so much hatred being preached in a so called "Holy Book".

"It is the same whether or not you forwarn them [the unbelievers], they will have no faith" (2:6).

"God will mock them and keep them long in sin, blundering blindly along" (2:15).

A fire "whose fuel is men and stones" awaits them (2:24).

They will be "rewarded with disgrace in this world and with grievous punishment on the Day of Resurrection" (2:85).

"God's curse be upon the infidels!" (2:89).

"They have incurred God's most inexorable wrath. An ignominious punishment awaits [them]" (2:90).

"God is the enemy of the unbelievers" (2:98).

"The unbelievers among the People of the Book [Christians and Jews], and the pagans, resent that any blessing should have been sent down to you from your Lord" (2:105).

"They shall be held up to shame in this world and sternly punished in the hereafter" (2:114).

"Those to whom We [God] have given the Book, and who read it as it ought to be read, truly believe in it; those that deny it shall assuredly be lost" (2:122).

"[We] shall let them live awhile, and then shall drag them to the scourge of the Fire. Evil shall be their fate" (2:126).

"The East and the West are God's. He guides whom He will to a straight path" (2:142).

"Do not say that those slain in the cause of God are dead. They are alive, but you are not aware of them" (2:154).

"But the infidels who die unbelievers shall incur the curse of God, the angels, and all men. Under it they shall remain for ever; their punishment shall not be lightened, nor shall they be reprieved" (2:162).

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[drunken monkey]

ignoring the issues involved in translating arabic into english, i don't see anything to do with destroying non muslims, or anything that doesn't have a similar counterpart in the bible.
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[thegladhatter]

The monkey really IS drunk?

"Make war upon such of those to whom the Scriptures have been given as believe not in God, or in the last day, and who forbid not that which God and His Apostle have forbidden, and who profess not the profession of the truth, until they pay tribute out of hand, and they be humbled. The Jews say, 'Ezra (Ozair) is a son of God'; and the Christians say, 'The Messiah is a son of God'. Such the sayings in their mouths! They resemble the sayings of the Infidels of old! God do battle with them! How are they misguided!..He it is who hath sent His Apostle with the Guidance and a religion of the truth, that He may make it victorious over every other religion, albeit they who assign partners to God be averse from it." (Sura 9:29-33).

"O Prophet! make war on the infidels and hypocrites, and deal rigorously with them. Hell shall be their abode! and wretched the passage to it!" (Sura 66:9).

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by drunken monkey

anything that doesn't have a similar counterpart in the bible.

What Bible do you read? Do you have blinders on? You might want to take off your blinders off. Show me! You asked others to put up. What is fair is fair.

[drunken monkey]

most passages in the koran that deals with fighting non believers (or whatever you want to call then) come from the part that talks about jihad; that being a reaction to persecution. It isn't that the koran is full of passages teaching them to fight others but that there is one section that talks of actions against constant persecution/repression.
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[thegladhatter]

Were we persecuting them when they destroyed the WTC?