They want the world to believe THEY are peaceful...

[drunken monkey]

And to provide a similar sort of discussion about the origins of Christianity:

link.

[HotZ28]

Quite a link there DM, and what a twisted sense of reality exposed! Just goes to show you, some people can make an apple look like an orange!

We all are well aware and familiar with the luxurious life style and the power of the patriarch religious mullahs representing the three (3) Abrahamic, Adam and Eve based religions: Judaism, Christianity and Islam. These religious mullahs have been claiming that we, the humankind must sacrifice and are here only to Glorify God and obey HIM, - - which in reality, it means to Glorify the barbaric elitist mullahs and obey them as the self-proclaimed ambassadors and voices of the ultimate holy criminal, the murdering, sadistic, chauvinist, racist, sexist, anti-reason, blood thirsty masculine MALE GOD. - - A God so confused who fools but assures, - Jews, Christians and Muslims -, all, the very same nonexistence promised heaven above, only if they convert each-other to their faith, even if they had to kill them to go where it does not exist!!!

[CL8]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

Right. Again, suicide is forbidden in Islam and killilng innocent ppl is forbidden. Did you not read my previous post? Just because you see some that strap bombs unto themselves doesn't represent anything in Islam. You guys are really stubborn!Thats why when we protest againist Israel's onslaught, Muslims and Jewish people come together. I have videos if you wanna see it. IF anyone here is in Tucson, we build up the wall in the UofA campus to protest.

Well according to the terrorists it DOES represent Islam. And there are a lot of them.
Prominent Muslim leaders never seem to condemn these actions either!

[CL8]

Originally Posted by blazee

It's no different than Christianity, or pretty much any other religion. The whole point of religion is to warp the mind and thinking to a certain set of beliefs. It was designed to control the masses, and has worked well... much easier than trying to control people that think for themselves. The funny thing is that everyone can see how utterly ridiculous every other religion is other than their own.

Do you think Atheism or non-belief isn't also a "mindset" to control the masses?
Everyone will hold to some set of beliefs. Their beliefs will either be constructive or destructive.
I choose the first one.

[blazee]

Originally Posted by CL8

Do you think Atheism or non-belief isn't also a "mindset" to control the masses?
Everyone will hold to some set of beliefs. Their beliefs will either be constructive or destructive.
I choose the first one.

I'm having a hard time understanding, please explain to me how studying science, history and religious texts to come to your own conclusions can be interpreted as someone being controlled.

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by CL8

Well according to the terrorists it DOES represent Islam. And there are a lot of them.
Prominent Muslim leaders never seem to condemn these actions either!

Why should we? We're not held responsible for other people's actions. Just because they say they "represent" Islam doesn't mean it's true or they're right. Compare them to the majority of the Muslims and you will find the majority against them. Nothing in the Qur'an backs up there actions, in fact they're called hypocrites or criminals like it mentioned in the Qur'an. You need to get out there and talk to Muslims in person and reading help also.

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by CL8

Prominent Muslim leaders never seem to condemn these actions either!

EXACTLTY!!!!!
Where's the muslim leadership when these "non-muslim" actions take place? It seems the only ones condeming them are the ones that might get their asses beat or they want something from the U.S.

[thegladhatter]

Originally Posted by mellowboy

. .You need to get out there and talk to Muslims in person and reading help also.

No thanks....no negotiating with terrorists.....and I read just fine, thank you very much. (I think for myself too....try it sometime)

[mellowboy]

Originally Posted by thegladhatter

No thanks....no negotiating with terrorists.....and I read just fine, thank you very much. (I think for myself too....try it sometime)

Right. Now I'm a terrorist. Thanks.

[curtis73]

This is getting a little uncivil folks. There are also several posts that are claiming fact when its simply mislead perception. Keep it factual and discussion-like or I'll close it. I don't mind a good argument, but it must be adult, respectful, and based on provable fact or I'll close it faster than you can say "obama."

To call a Muslim a terrorist is like saying that all Christians are IRA members, or that all Jews kill Muslims, or that all Adventists are vegetarian.

And if you want to nitpick things... add up all the lives that have been taken in the name of MAINSTREAM Christianity throughout history during times like the Crusades, the Dark Ages, Slavery, American colonialism, and European Imperialism. Then compare it to the miniscule amount of lives taken by the relatively recent extremist terrorists and I think you'll find that Christians have that tally beat by a few billion.

You think you're right, just like your Christian ancestors thought it was right to kill Africans, Native Americans, and Siberians for the Glory of God.

Terrorists don't have to be Muslim, and not all Muslims are terrorists. The tiny percentage of the Muslim population that is terrorist-related is probably about the same percentage of current whack-job Christians who blow up abortion clinics, beat gays to death with baseball bats, and go on TV asking for money while they cheat on their wives.

If I were a Muslim, I'd be pretty proud of my people for exercising as much restraint as we have given the current prejudice heaped on them. After all, when Christians want oil in the name of Christ, we just invade oil-rich countries, overthrow their government, and put a christian-based government in its place. That's how we came to live in America when European Catholics came over and raped Native Americans. That's how every country in Africa became an enslaved European colony. That's how Europe quadrupled its size during the Crusades. That's how Europe took over South America and Britain took Australia. That (along with the promise of economic prosperity) was Hitler's motivation for killing Jews.

So let's not compare 2 millenia of violent Christian oppression in almost every country in the world to a couple decades of a tiny Muslim pin-pricks, shall we?

Jeez

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by curtis73

This is getting a little uncivil folks. There are also several posts that are claiming fact when its simply mislead perception. Keep it factual and discussion-like or I'll close it. I don't mind a good argument, but it must be adult, respectful, and based on provable fact or I'll close it faster than you can say "obama."

To call a Muslim a terrorist is like saying that all Christians are IRA members, or that all Jews kill Muslims, or that all Adventists are vegetarian.

And if you want to nitpick things... add up all the lives that have been taken in the name of MAINSTREAM Christianity throughout history during times like the Crusades, the Dark Ages, Slavery, American colonialism, and European Imperialism. Then compare it to the miniscule amount of lives taken by the relatively recent extremist terrorists and I think you'll find that Christians have that tally beat by a few billion.

You think you're right, just like your Christian ancestors thought it was right to kill Africans, Native Americans, and Siberians for the Glory of God.

Terrorists don't have to be Muslim, and not all Muslims are terrorists. The tiny percentage of the Muslim population that is terrorist-related is probably about the same percentage of current whack-job Christians who blow up abortion clinics, beat gays to death with baseball bats, and go on TV asking for money while they cheat on their wives.

If I were a Muslim, I'd be pretty proud of my people for exercising as much restraint as we have given the current prejudice heaped on them. After all, when Christians want oil in the name of Christ, we just invade oil-rich countries, overthrow their government, and put a christian-based government in its place. That's how we came to live in America when European Catholics came over and raped Native Americans. That's how every country in Africa became an enslaved European colony. That's how Europe quadrupled its size during the Crusades. That's how Europe took over South America and Britain took Australia. That (along with the promise of economic prosperity) was Hitler's motivation for killing Jews.

So let's not compare 2 millenia of violent Christian oppression in almost every country in the world to a couple decades of a tiny Muslim pin-pricks, shall we?

Jeez

I've seen a lot worse at this forum over the past several years. Lets not blow things out of proportion. Heated debates are normal here due to people's beliefs and ideology. If people can't take the heat or put up a reasonable factual non one sided argument or have problems getting their feelings hurt then get out while you can. Also, we do not restrict free speech within reason at this particular forum.

And before any thread is closed at the Politics, Current Events forum I would highly recommending submitting it to Mod Corner for review with no unilateral action. ......

[curtis73]

Yeah... did you notice how I threatened to close it, then I jumped in the deep end?

I'm such a hyprcite

[BNaylor]

Originally Posted by curtis73

Yeah... did you notice how I threatened to close it, then I jumped in the deep end?

I'm such a hyprcite

Yeah I noticed that. No big deal.

I do agree we need to tone down the rhetoric so please lets keep it civil or the Moderating Staff may have to take action on it.

[drunken monkey]

Originally Posted by CL8

Prominent Muslim leaders never seem to condemn these actions either!

link 1
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[HotZ28]

Originally Posted by curtis73

Yeah... did you notice how I threatened to close it, then I jumped in the deep end?

I'm such a hyprcite

Welcome to an open forum where everyone is welcome to post their opinion, or "rhetoric", whatever it may be. Censorship is not the cure, let the discussion continue without interference.