who would win in 1/4mile and by how much???

[daveshapellSVT]

I can't believe this is even up for debate... The b16 is a much weeker engine.. The b18 will stomp on it all day! why do you think most ppl preffer the b18? Cause the damn car will be faster all around...

[Thepeug]

Exactly how is the B16 a "weaker" engine? You realize we're talking about the B18B1, not either of the B18C's. Just becuase the B16 can't handle as much boost on stock internals does not make it a lesser engine. The B18B has 12 more pounds of torque, which would give it a definite jump off the line. The B16A, however, has 20-30 more hp (USDM vs. JDM), VTEC, shorter gearing, and a higher redline, all which make it a more compotent N/A motor, and all of which, in my opinion, would give it the edge in the aforementioned race.

[cmugen]

the B16 would definately win. Though it may not have much torque, you would get off the line fast in such a light car and the engine revs quickly so in no time you're up in v-tec

[whtteg]

Originally Posted by cmugen

the B16 would definately win. Though it may not have much torque, you would get off the line fast in such a light car and the engine revs quickly so in no time you're up in v-tec

Uhh no, the car would not get off the ,ine anywhere near as fast as the B18B1 equiped car. GSR's have a hard time keeping up in 1st and 2nd gear with LS's so in a civic it would be no contest against a smaller displacement motor. Ok look at it this way, my LS when it only had I/H/E I raced alot of 99+ si's and beat them, and tehy all have I/H/E the average for the si's was low 16's high 15's. Sorry to say but the B18B1 will come out on top in stock forum.

[Thepeug]

Did the Si's that you raced all have bad drivers, though? That's obviously a huge factor. I just don't see how, in the same car, both drivers being equal, a b18b1 would beat a b16a. Sure, with the extra torque, the b18 would have the initial advantage, but with 20 extra hp and VTEC, I don't see how the b16 wouldn't come out ahead in the top end. Everyone has merely said, "The B18 would win." Torque makes a big difference, but it's not everything. In this case, it's only a 12-pound difference, anyway. Considering that so many more people have voted for the b18, can somebody explain their reasoning?

[whtteg]

the B18B1 has the gearing to be in it's powerband longer in the top end. Also the 20hp difference helps the B16A but not enough, and because it has VTEC means nothing. The B18B1 will put so much distance in 1st and 2nd gear that by the time the B16A starts to gain ground the B18B1 will start oulling away again b/c it will be in it's ideal gearing.

And the si's taht I raced musy have all had simular driver abilities b/c like I said teh average for them around here is at best mid 15's stock block and no Fi or N20.

[white gsr]

GSR's have a hard time keeping up in 1st and 2nd gear with LS's.

it seems to me that the gsr's true power comes in effect in 3rd cause this is true ^ civics and LSs do kinda keep up with my gsr in 1st and 2nd..but when third comes its a slaughtering!! sorry to go off subject, but what tune do you think would show a great improvment in 1st and 2nd?

[whtteg]

Originally Posted by white gsr

it seems to me that the gsr's true power comes in effect in 3rd cause this is true ^ civics and LSs do kinda keep up with my gsr in 1st and 2nd..but when third comes its a slaughtering!! sorry to go off subject, but what tune do you think would show a great improvment in 1st and 2nd?

The reason the LS can pull on you in 1st and 2nd is because the GSR and LS have the same 1,2 gear ratio, and the LS make alot more bottom end power and TQ than the GSR, so you will not really be able to solve that problem, unless you up the displacement of the GSR. *note I am talking about simular modded motors here*

[Thepeug]

Originally Posted by whtteg

the B18B1 has the gearing to be in it's powerband longer in the top end. Also the 20hp difference helps the B16A but not enough, and because it has VTEC means nothing. The B18B1 will put so much distance in 1st and 2nd gear that by the time the B16A starts to gain ground the B18B1 will start oulling away again b/c it will be in it's ideal gearing.

Thanks for the explanation. That makes a lot of sense.

[spooleffect]

Id say they are both about equal in stock form. But the B18B would get the win from what it gains at the start. The 16 has a higher power output but less torque. The 18 has less power output but has a larger torque range which makes up for the lack of power. The 18 would pull off the line until the top of 2nd but then the accleration of both cars would be equal.

These engines are quite different in potential though. The 18B lacks in NA potential but its a great turbo candidate, the 16 makes a great highpowered(180-210hp from an NA 1.6 IS highpowered) NA platform.

Id rather have the b18b in my dailydriver though. Its WAY cheap and can run on even the sh*ttiest 87 octane no problem.