on par with gt?

[darkerdayz]

Originally Posted by DkShadow

read this thread:

http://www.automotiveforums.com/vbul...d.php?t=164386

thanks for the info. i'm still confused as shit, but i guess somethings are just not meant to be learned. all that talk about LS1 and then the movement into LT1 really confused me. i dont mean to be biased, but i thought that v-tec was only a honda thing.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by syr74

Thanks for the slip. And, while this guy is closer to 13's than any driver I have ever seen (about two tenths better than what I recalll having seen as a previous best) I will also take this as yet another brick in the "the S2000 is not a 13 second car stock" wall. Closer, but still not there.

Silverstreak from Bimmerforums managed a 13.66 with his buddy's stock S2000 (granted, with some prep): http://www.bimmerforums.com/forum/sh...ht=13.66+S2000

I also know of several S owners in the 13.8-13.9 range consistently with their stock S2000's.

Still not what you would consider a "13-second car" per sé, more like a 14.0 car...but 13's is HIGHLY possible with proper driving.

[DkShadow]

Originally Posted by MexSiR

Yeah the s2000 is NOT A 13sec car.
Yeah the GT 03 is NOT faster or as fast as an s2000.
AMEN!

Tell that to the one I beat









**Im going to be buying a Camera this weekend. That way I can tape races with cars. Hopefully Ill find another S2k and post it up here, Win or Lose. **

[syr74]

Originally Posted by MexSiR

Yeah the s2000 is NOT A 13sec car.
Yeah the GT 03 is NOT faster or as fast as an s2000.
AMEN!

I will still, respectfully, disagree with that second statement. Sorry...and amen.

[Spectre927]

Originally Posted by DkShadow

Tell that to the one I beat



**Im going to be buying a Camera this weekend. That way I can tape races with cars. Hopefully Ill find another S2k and post it up here, Win or Lose. **

Maybe he wasn't the best driver.

[DkShadow]

Originally Posted by Spectre927

Maybe he wasn't the best driver.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by syr74

I will still, respectfully, disagree with that second statement. Sorry...and amen.

Not according to these:
http://honda.jbroadtests.com/S2000/2002/index3.php
http://ford.jbcarpages.com/Mustang/2002/index4.php#v6

2003 Ford Mustang GT 1/4: 14.7
2002 Honda S2000 1/4: 14.4

Also, don't bring up the "but this driver did that on the track, and this one did that", bullcrap...when magazines test the cars, they test them in true street-trim...no tire-pressure adjustments, no missing spares or jacks, and most importantly, they test them with radar-equipment from a dead-stop on an unprepped surface.

Quarter tracks vary due to different prep statuses, and you can do rolling starts in between the two sets of staging lights, depending on how deep you stage.

A run from a true dead-stop should've benefitted the live-axle GT more...

[whtteg]

I think that neither side is going to convince the other of their opinion, it is just ging to keep going back and forth.

[DkShadow]

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Not according to these:
http://honda.jbroadtests.com/S2000/2002/index3.php
http://ford.jbcarpages.com/Mustang/2002/index4.php#v6

2003 Ford Mustang GT 1/4: 14.7
2002 Honda S2000 1/4: 14.4

Also, don't bring up the "but this driver did that on the track, and this one did that", bullcrap...when magazines test the cars, they test them in true street-trim...no tire-pressure adjustments, no missing spares or jacks, and most importantly, they test them with radar-equipment from a dead-stop on an unprepped surface.

Quarter tracks vary due to different prep statuses, and you can do rolling starts in between the two sets of staging lights, depending on how deep you stage.

A run from a true dead-stop should've benefitted the live-axle GT more...

As much as I would like to agree with you, real time numbers is what matters not magazines or online stats. Most magazines cant drive worth a crap, though I do recall Motortrend running a 14.1 with a GT.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by DkShadow

As much as I would like to agree with you, real time numbers is what matters not magazines or online stats. Most magazines cant drive worth a crap, though I do recall Motortrend running a 14.1 with a GT.

That's exactly my point. "Realtime numbers", as much as we wouldn't want to magazine-race, are achieved usually on a prepped track, with a prepped vehicle...stock or not.

Just like that eample I gave of a bone-stock S2000 doing a 13.66, I wouldn't exactly call the car in "street-trim" as tire-pressures have been played with, and some extra weight was taken out.

How do we know these examples we hear of "stock" GTs running mid-13's isn't the same as the "stock" S2000 example I have?

Don't get me wrong, as much as I have said that GTs have ran mid-15's at my local track by my witness, so have I seen an S2000 and a 350Z do the same.

But when they were being driven right, the S2000's were consistently in the 14.0's-14.3's, while the GTs, as I have stated before, have never went past 14.7...this is stock/near stock.

I'm not just making all this up as I go...I am actually basing this on "real-world" observation and just from publication comparos I have read.

I've also seen a magazine get an S2000 to run a 13.8 in one of their tests. That 14.1 you saw HAD to have come from MM&FF...

BTW: I am also a member at S2KI.com, and their Street Encounters section is littered with Mustang GT kills. You might wanna cruise on over there and tell them to get their head out of their asses, I guess, because it can't be true, right?

[syr74]

Hey carrnut...I like you and I respect your opinion and I think you know that. But, I am going to call it like I have seen it (on those rare occasions that I have seen both types of cars run) and say that with good drivers in a drag race I just don't think a S2000 is as fast through the quarter as a 99-up GT stick both stock. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

[carrrnuttt]

Originally Posted by syr74

Hey carrnut...I like you and I respect your opinion and I think you know that. But, I am going to call it like I have seen it (on those rare occasions that I have seen both types of cars run) and say that with good drivers in a drag race I just don't think a S2000 is as fast through the quarter as a 99-up GT stick both stock. I suppose we will have to agree to disagree.

What venue was it run in? On the streets, on the track? What mods were on either car? Talk is cheap.

Where's your proof? Here's mine...(copied and edited from another post):

Originally Posted by carrrnuttt

Also, for your viewing pleasure, I present these:

Stock S2000 VS modified 1998 Mustang GT(Right-Click, Save As)

Stock S2000 VS even more modified LX 5.0 (Right-Click, Save As)

and the best one:
2002 Mustang GT (camera car) talking shit against an S2000 (Right-Click, Save As)

Don't forget, in the first two examples, that was a 2001 S2000. It has been proven time and again that 2000-2001 S2000s are slower than the 2002-2003 models, stock-for-stock...which is probably what the third vid has. Also, the 2004's have already shown in one dyno that they are putting-down as much to the wheels as they are rated at the motor.
http://www.vtec.net/articles/view-ar...&page_number=2

[Ricochet]

and the best one:
2002 Mustang GT (camera car) talking shit against an S2000 (Right-Click, Save As)

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHAHAH AHAHA
oh.. ah... oh.. ahh... gotta take a breather after that one. They even jumped the gun on the Honda and it caught up and won, then at the end dude said "that was dead even basically"... oh man, best video ever

[LuvinMyCamaro]

the driver of the LX 5.0 must have just learned to drive a stick cause he took his time with those shifts

[DkShadow]

Carrnuttt, ill find that Motortrend article and post it up here or you can look for it yourself.


Oh and for Mustang Mags, 5.0 Mustangs ran a 13.7 with their GT.

Theres also a vid of a guy from Alabama that owns a fairly stock automatic GT, only KnN and welded in Magnaflows (a wopping gain of 0-2 hp), that ran a 13.8 beating an S2k which ran a 14.2. He has taken it off his sig but Ill try and look for it