Jordan 191

Oh man. This is seriously depressing as it is unobtanium. BUT, on the other hand, it is a fantastic WIP. Absolutely awesome work you are doing there. So realistic.

Wow...wow...wow...wow!!!! I'm just loving this build!

Still drooling I am ..... :bigthumb:

A masterclass....

The wear and tear you have thought into each assembly is so well executed. Very, very nice.

Hats Off Mr.!!!!

I'm speechless!!
This is an incredible build!!!, the cleanliness and level of detail is second to none, the scratchbuilding is incredible!

Im sure I'll keep an eye on this one!!

Excellent!

What ever happened to the mp4/4?

It's still pretty much at the stage shown in the WIP thread and sitting next to my workbench. I have to get back to it at some point...got annoyed with the brake calipers and the models i started as a "distraction" turned into rather lengthy projects themselves...:-)

It is fantastic. I really love all those kinds of textures. Quite motivating!

I am totally with Gio, real motivating stuff, this WIP is like technical how to, simply perfect.

following and learning.

...we no longer need to buy the Tamiya Formula Perfect Manual Vol. 3...

You are a Master !

R :)

Progress has been slow lately, but here are finally a few new bits i can show. They are the hydraulic fluid reservoirs at the front of the monocoque. I made them on the lathe and also made some metal fitting bits and the parts that hold them. These are made from styrene rods and etched bases.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/159scratchbuiltbrakefluidreservoirp.jpg



I painted the parts ( apart from the reservoir cups of course ) added some brass bolt heads and glued them on the monocoque.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/160brakefluidreservoirspaintedandin.jpg



I also made those two little electronic boxes. The grey one was for time keeping I guess from the “Longines” sticker. I made that sticker with an ALPS printer.
Then I wired all the parts up and also added the brake lines that go to the front brake calipers.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/161wiresandhosesinstalled.jpg



Another view. This wire and hose business takes a surprising lot of time. I’m not exactly looking forward to the engine bay…:-)



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/162brakelinesinstalled.jpg



So far, so good……but I saved the fun part for last :-) Properly representing the brake fluid cups ( and especially the liquid inside…. ) is tricky and we’ve seen various approaches to that, for example with clear sprue bits and paint.
I have used a material named POM. It’s pretty tough stuff and very often gets used to make plastic gears and the likes. It can’t really be painted or glued very well but it’s good for machining and is flexible rather than brittle when it’s very thin. Most importantly it has this opaque white look the brake fluid cups usually have :-) The cups are hollow with about 0,1mm wall thickness and I made lids to close them. So once the model is finished I’ll put some dark fluid in them and they should look pretty much like the real ones :-)



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/163brakefluidreservoirsopen.jpg



So, that’s it for now already. I have more bits and pieces to build and paint so progress will probably be slow again. Thanks for looking and see you for the next update!

this is the thread I am reading like a book mate.those reservoirs are seriously the best Ive seen. I was trying to make them from clear trees, letely cast from epoxy that quite satisfy my needs but this is level I will never reach. thanx for inspiration

You must have very good eyes in making those small parts!:banghead:

This is what I call A PERFECT MODEL!..Nothing less to say.

This is really not fair.

Looks like the real thing, a top model !!!

That´s it!!! A great build. Sometimes I think it´s a real car.

Ciao

Dirk

This man is something!!

[Drops dead in a faint] ...... bonk!

Thank you very much, jaykay :worshippy

Wow Details are endless Stunning work.

Not much I can add to this. When you see fine art like this, you just kinda stand back and stare.

Superlatives are not enough...

R :)

Supreme work Jaykay! Thanks for giving me that extra push of inspiration! Keep up the phenomenal work.

Simply mind blowing a masterpiece it is so depressing just by looking at your work since I know I will never achieve your level of detail building but anyhow still enjoy watching you build Thank you Jay!:smile:

Against my own expectations I have made some more progress already, so here come some new pictures :-)
It was finally time to glue the monocoque to the undertray. I did that with epoxy glue after first attaching the sidepods to the monocoque. Like this I had better access to them and it was easier to ensure they ended up in the right spot.
After everything was in place I mounted these meshes inside the sidepods. I guess they are to protect the radiators from debris. To be honest, they’ll hardly be visible, but I got carried away when making the etched parts so in they went :-)



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/164monocoqueonundertray.jpg



Then came the radiators. I had postponed finishing them until the sidepods and engine were in place in case the parts lineup wasn’t correct anymore. This proved to be a wise decision, as some additional filing and bending was necessary to make them sit right.
I started by milling the molded in radiator grids off the Tamiya parts to replace them with etched ones. I also etched these structures that sit on top of the radiators and fix them to the sidepods.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/165radiatorsstartedwithPE.jpg



I primed the parts and painted them Alclad Highly Polished Aluminium over a gloss black base. The radiator mesh is divided in two layers. The lower or inner layer has the typical zigzag pattern. This part received a wash to bring out the pattern a bit more. The overlay part just has a very thin horizontal grid. This was painted Alclad HPA as well to blend in with the painted radiator body. As a result the radiator mesh has more depth than a typical aftermarket etching part. Mine are also finer but they are really fragile and tricky to handle :-)
In the picture you see a finished assembly on the left side and the radiator on the right is awaiting the second layer etched part in front of it.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/166radiatorspaintedanddetailed.jpg



I also made the blue hose connections from masking tape and tiny metal bits and then installed the radiators. The etched parts on top were CFd, cleared and polished and I added those vertical straps that seem to fix the radiators as well on the real car.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/167radiatorsinstalledrearview.jpg



Here’s a close up view from the side…



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/168leftradiatorsideview.jpg



… and a complete sideview of the current state. Starts to look like an F1 car :-)



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/169monocoqueandsidepodsinstalledcom.jpg



Thanks a lot again for all your comments and see you for the next update!

Outstanding:grinyes:

Stunning Jaykay, absolutely stunning. I've always liked this beautyfull F1 and you getting the best out of it with all the attention on detail. Again it's a stunner.

Eric

oh my god...um...well...ah...cough cough...um...I have nothing to say, unreal!

Somehow I missed this thread. I'm glad I did though because because I've been able to enjoy the uninterupted progress for the past half hour.

Genius! Jay you are in every way the master model maker.

Weather’s still pretty crap here in northern Germany so I’m having more modelling time during the bank holiday :-) I spent a lot of time on fiddling with wires and hoses. Not much to show in terms of pictures but I wanted to get them pretty accurate to the original. That’s quite tricky because you can’t just use shrink tube like on the real car.
Anyway…here’s what I did. I started by making the electronic boxes mostly from renshape and some etched parts.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/170sidepodelectronicboxes.jpg


They were then painted and detailed and mounted on the sidepods.
I also scratch built all the wiring using wires from various manufacturers and electronic connectors that I turned from aluminium. Some of the shrink tube is replicated from actual thin shrink tubing but mostly it’s black “Plasti-Dip” applied with a brush.
Here’s the wire loom for the left sidepod prior to installation.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/171leftsidepodwireloom.jpg


In the next picture all the parts are installed already. It took quite some time and I had to be really careful not to break stuff off or mess everything up with too much glue…



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/172electronicboxesleftsidepodinstal.jpg


Another view from a lower angle. The yellow markings on the wires are bits of decal.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/173leftsidepodwiredup.jpg


The right sidepod is less cluttered. It was tricky nevertheless. Besides my own machined fittings I used some by R.B.Motion. I just “restocked” them. I will need quite a few more in the coming steps :-)



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/174rightsidepodwired.jpg


Now I just hope I won’t knock these parts off the sidepods all the time with the cowling. I already had serious trouble with it before mounting the parts…

Looks like there will be more wires in the next update… see you for that and thanks yet again for your comments!

Gorgeous JayKay! My first thought is that the pictures with the harness installed were reference pics! Great work, thanks for such great inspiration.

Always great to watch. I love the connectors.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo model contest-Chicago April 2011

Here’s a bit more progress with more wires :-)

First up is part of the ignition system. I had cut off the round blobs from the cylinder heads long ago. These were too small and wouldn’t have had the space to connect cables. So I built a new more detailed distributor cap from styrene rods ( already primered in the picture ). Since there are more cars in my stash with Cosworth HB engines I made some resin copies. For the wires I used black 0,4mm wire from Hiro and added the L-shaped plugs made from more styrene rods and wire.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/175ignitioncablesanddistributor.jpg


After painting the distributor caps were put on etched base pieces and glued to the engine. Then I could connect the wires. Btw…if you ever use that Hiro wire check your glue with it first. That stuff tends to not stick to anything!? It took me some time in places until the super glue worked…


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/176ignitioninstalled.jpg


The next piece is a bit of an odd one. It’s a little tank for the engine. I don’t know what it does but it seems to be a Cosworth HB standard thing. The thing is, it’s nowhere to be seen in the Perfect Manual. However in the F1Modeling Schumacher Special there’s a picture of it from the Spa Race. That kind of tank can also be found on the Benettons of the following years. I kinda have doubts about that detail pic the more I look at it. It looks like a Jordan 191 but then there are a couple of things that are different from the other reference I have. Anyway I decided to build the thing. It’s a nice detail :-)
I turned it from aluminium and added the detailing from parts I made myself and some R.B.Motion fittings. The wire to the right is wrapped with some Bare Metal Foil “insulation”.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/177unknownCosworthHBtank.jpg


...and here are two pictures with the tank installed:


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/178tankinstalled.jpg


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/179HBtankandignitioninstalled.jpg


That’s it for now already. See you for more from the electrics and plumbing department next time :-)

Gorgeous JayKay! My first thought is that the pictures with the harness installed were reference pics! Great work, thanks for such great inspiration.

Right. We read often as a gag but this time its is quite true. Bravo!

this is just incredible dude...when ur pics have people thinking its the real thing u know youre very very good modeler!!

its made to watch and stare.its a top build

The silver cylinder is a swirl pot assembly. It is for removing the air from the fuel if the pickup or pump is disturbed. Helps provide consistant fuel pressure and volume under extreme circumstances.

What else can you say, but, my god that looks real. It does, it really looks like the 1:1 counterpart, amazing. Your definetly at the top

Indisputably, you are a master of this craft.

Hi jaykay, I want to rob a little bit of your time.

About this point:

I primed the parts and painted them Alclad Highly Polished Aluminium over a gloss black base. The radiator mesh is divided in two layers. The lower or inner layer has the typical zigzag pattern. This part received a wash to bring out the pattern a bit more. The overlay part just has a very thin horizontal grid. This was painted Alclad HPA as well to blend in with the painted radiator body. As a result the radiator mesh has more depth than a typical aftermarket etching part. Mine are also finer but they are really fragile and tricky to handle :-)
In the picture you see a finished assembly on the left side and the radiator on the right is awaiting the second layer etched part in front of it.



http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/166radiatorspaintedanddetailed.jpg

can you post an immage of the patterns you created to make a radiator like this? Or a more closely image? I want to copy them :biggrin:. Thanks.

I like your mind: the ways you can find out to solve the problems are very impressive and every time surprising. Thanks you to share your experiences with us.

What a nice car. Incredible work. Any progress on the build?

I think i've watched this thread in a few days 5 times. I'm absolutely stunned by this great build

It’s been quite some time since the last update, but here’s a quick one finally. I wanted to show something else at this point but the last parts I built for the engine didn’t fit ( after a lot of work…my own stupid mistake…and Tamiya’s a bit too :-) so I have to do them all over again. So for my own motivation to get back into this build here are some pictures of the wheels.
On the insides of the rims I glued etched bits with a hole pattern that corresponds to the pins on the brake hubs. I blended them in going through primer, sanding and then black paint for all the rims. Then I added the decals. They are a mix of Studio27 and Tamiya. This was followed by 2K-clear and some very light sanding and polishing where possible. On the insides I put a misty coat of Jet Black because I guess the original wheels aren’t too shiny there :-)
I then mounted the tyres ( after sanding them ) and applied the Goodyear logos using an etched template and Zero Pure White, followed by a thin coat of semi gloss clear on the sidewalls.
Finally I added some tiny tyre valves, scratch built from etched nuts, wire and bits of 0,45mm injection needle.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/180wheelspainted.jpg




I was surprised how long it took to get a nice even surface when sanding those damn tyres and even more so until all the logos were painted more or less in the right places. The sad truth is…I’ve been building models for years now but this is in fact the first time I get a 1:20 build as far as doing the tyres…
I may “wear” the wheels a bit more at a later point. Also I could add some more tyre markings. I have a picture with Schumacher in the Spa grid where some extra mechanic’s markings are visible. I can’t replicate that by hand with a brush though. Maybe I’ll do some decals for that.

Next I painted the wheel nuts. They’re red on the right hand side and black on the left. The red paint looks nice but it peels off almost if you look at it too strong. I have to try some other brands and hope one of them will stick better. I wanted to “wear” some of the paint off at the edges of the nuts, but like this that doesn’t work.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/181wheelnutpainted.jpg


Finally here’s a close look of the right front wheel mounted.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/182frontwheelmounted.jpg


And of course a shot with all four wheels. They all touch the ground and the car sits nicely so the jig to set up the suspension worked :-)


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/183onallfourwheels.jpg


So that’s it for now. Thanks for stopping by!

Absolutely Amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Not too long now until completion?

I was surprised how long it took to get a nice even surface when sanding those damn tyres

This, is very true, and I struggle with this a lot. I don't think I have ever been able to get tire surfaces to look as smooth and uniform as the ones in your photos.

You must have a secret technique, or at least a secret grade of sandpaper that you can tell us about?

I can't recall, but I think your wheelnuts are made from brass. But maybe you're really motivated, and thinking about making them from alumimun....and then doing a home-annodizing sort of operation that would color them red? (maybe overambitious, but knowing your skills and history of experimentation, could be a possibility?? I think there are quite a few how-to's on the net..... and knowing that you do you're own PE, it's likely something you coud do...)

Or, maybe you can get some machinist's dye (the blue stuff they use to mark out the metal), except in red color??

Thanks for the update. Really fantastic.Now I can enjoy the rest of the summer....

(but I'll be checking back for updates with annodized wheel nuts....:naughty:)

:)

Murray

Superb!!!!!!

Hi Murray, i don't have a special technique for the tyres. I chucked them in my lathe ( which probably makes it easier than turning them on a hand drill :-) and then tried out various grades of sandpaper and even files. 360 grit sandpaper worked the best. The rear tyres worked pretty well but the front ones strangely gave me a lot of trouble. They kept smearing in places and were hard to sand to a uniform surface. I even tried to freeze them to improve their behaviour ( didn't really work...). Somehow after a lot of fiddling i got them to look right.

About the wheelnuts i'll first try some other paints. Maybe there's one that sticks better than the Humbrol clear red i used here. My last resort is in fact to make new nuts. I have a type of aluminium sitting around that's supposed to be good for annodizing. I haven't heard of a DIY way of doing that so far but will have a look into that. Otherwise i'll find someone to do them for me :-)

Amazing as per usual!! I cant believe the pic of the brake, everything looks real, it doesnt look like plastic (even though parts are metal in there). Simply stunning!!

Great progress jaykay, I am really looking forward to seeing it finished (so please finish it).
On the wheel nuts, doesn't tamiya make a metal primer in a can that is clear? maybe you could put that on first then the clear red.

Simply outstanding jay, as the rest of this epic build...

Robi :)

Another good update. Can't wait to see the final product!!

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo model contest and expo-Chicago April 2011

The silver cylinder is a swirl pot assembly. It is for removing the air from the fuel if the pickup or pump is disturbed. Helps provide consistant fuel pressure and volume under extreme circumstances.

I am pretty sure that this particular one is for coolant.
I believe the one on top of the bell housing is basically a catch tank/de-aerator(so it has internal baffles with holes in them allowing the oil to return and collect at the bottom without entrained oil).

I had long discussions with a few friends over the arrangement for the B192 Cosworth which is similar.

AMAZING!!!

(Can't say more, I'm speechless)

I am pretty sure that this particular one is for coolant.
I believe the one on top of the bell housing is basically a catch tank/de-aerator(so it has internal baffles with holes in them allowing the oil to return and collect at the bottom without entrained oil).

I had long discussions with a few friends over the arrangement for the B192 Cosworth which is similar.

It is totally possible that it is a coolant reservoir of some type. After looking at Jaykay's, it appears as though it has a cap of some sort, which a swirl pot would not have. It is remarkably similar to a swirl pot in terms of shape and dimensions. I've installed and plumbed many into street and race cars, it really looks like one. The only thing thing that would make me think it isn't, is the mounting location, near a hot exhaust. Wouldn't make sense for coolant either?? The cooling systems are charge filled as well, and rarely have a cap of any kind. The tank on the trans bellhousing is indeed a oil vapour-seperator/cooler. Any Jordan engineers in the house to answer our queries!! I would love a really comprehensive technical manual on an F1 car made within the last 15 years. On an engineering level, not an observational one. I think there is a good one on the F2000.

Hi there

Progress is still pretty slow ( work and life and so on :-) but here’s some new bits after all.
I finally finished the nosecone/front wing. All the wing elements were individually painted and CF’d were appropriate, sanded and polished. I put them together mostly with epoxy glue. It’s pretty unnerving stuff to put glue on parts whose surfaces you have worked on for hours knowing that you have pretty much one shot or an annoying mess :-) The epoxy glue at least is a bit more forgiving than super glue in that respect.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/184noseconefinished.jpg


To attach the endplates and adjustable flaps I used brass rivets over etched SMS washers ( all individually painted ) to reinforce the connection and as locator pins for gluing. That takes a bit more time but helps the result a lot. Also I’m getting better at fixing my mess ups :-)

I CF’d and painted the inside of the nosecone, trying to not build up too much material for a small gap with the monocoque.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/185noseconerear.jpg


All the flaps were dressed up with etched bolts top and bottom as per the original. I glued those with clear enamel paint ( easy to clean off the 2K-clear with some alcohol while fresh, in case I make a mess…). I put new vertical strakes where I had cut off the bigger Tamiya ones and connected them to the endplates with 0,1mm metal strips ( CF’d and painted once more…) like on the real front wing.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/186noseconebottom.jpg


I also fixed the tyre markings. Now the painted on white stripes match the tyre valves as they should and I also added the hand written mechanic’s tyre markings indicating driver, direction and set ( Schumacher really started the race with set 14 according to the pictures ). I created the necessary data from pictures of the Spa weekend and got some dry transfers made ( different for each wheel :-) They are really delicate and I painted the sidewalls over with some semi gloss clear to hopefully protect them.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/187newwheelmarkings.jpg


Finally two shots with the car plus frontwing as it is right now ( couldn’t resist :-) I was aiming for a smaller gap between nose and monocoque but I can’t really complain, considering the mounting system with just the two turned aluminium pins at the front of the monocoque actually works as planned and I have a removable frontwing.


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/188overviewwithnoseattached.jpg


Thanks for stopping by and see you for the next update…at some point :-)


http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b288/jaykay640/Jordan%20191/189sideviewwithnoseattached.jpg

SUPERB AGAIN. Keep those updates coming.

Tom Tanner/Scale Designs/Ferrari Expo 2011 model/photo contest and show-Chicago April 2011

Fantastico!!!!!!!!!