DOMESTIC vs IMPORT?

Pimpclipse, the sledgehammer corvette is a built twin turbo V8, while the Mclaren is allmotor V12, I think.

You can make a datsun 510 run a faster 1/4 mile than a Ferrari 355 but that does'nt make the Datsun 510 better. Ferrari is still better than a faster 510.

P.S the Mclaren would beat the sledgehammer worse in a roadcourse than the sledgehammer beating the Mclaren in the 1/4 mile. ;)

Originally posted by integra818

P.S the Mclaren would beat the sledgehammer worse in a roadcourse than the sledgehammer beating the Mclaren in the 1/4 mile. ;)

Very true...

But

You forget the Sledgehammer Vette was built in 1988 with 1988 technology. Just apply that same concept to a modern C5 Z06 with modern technology and you've got something that could for lack of a better term.. compete with a McLaren on all aspects.

Sledgehammer
Engine - V8 5.7L (350ci)
Horsepower - 880 BHP @ 6250 RPM
Torque - 774.2 Ft-Lb @ 5250 RPM
Weight - 3670lbs
0 To 60 - 3.9 seconds
Qtr Mile - 10.6 @ 127 MPH
Top Speed - 255 mph

McLaren
Engine - V12 6.1L (370ci)
Horsepower - 627 HP @ 7400 RPM
Torque - 480 Ft-lbs @ 5600 RPM
Weight - 2690lbs
0 To 60 - 2.9 seconds
Qtr Mile - I know its in the 10s...
Top Speed - 225+mph


Both are awesome cars... But have nothing on GEO! :eek: :D

What did i say that was so stupid. Im not tryin to bash the f1 just sayin jesus christ 1.7 milion dollars? I seriously could apply that money to a c5 or maybe even a redneck's geo and make it go faster in the quarter and out perform the f1 at top speed. My gsx was stock to the bone cept for exuast. No it wasnt riced out c it can hang with most the cars one the road. But its parked now and i drive a soon to be turbo ford zx2 (dont hate its gonna be riced). Someone keeps sayin domestics cant hang with imports and then the bring up the f1...Why...Can any other import hang with the f1? The skyline would get wasted by 20 bone stock domestics i could think of in 30 seconds...The callaway isnt considered production but if u want one u could have one under a million. The f1 is the most superist of super cars and i cant think of anything in its category, the skyline? Hell no.


Demon can u show proof of why domestics are better or vice versa?
Show me to the light cuz my ignorance is vast. If u raced ur car against redneck's geo id put my money on the geo. lol. Thats the way i think.

Originally posted by integra818


I've seen integras with T25's, they ussually run low 15's with no other mods besides the turbo (exept for intercooler/ BOV/...). And the Silvia S13 probably runs that fast in the 1/4 as well.

Have you seen SportCompactCar's flat black Silvia S13? They built a stock Silvia S13 for $3,000. GSR's don't go for that low. GSR's go for around $7,500 the lowest nowadays. With $7,500, you can build an S13 that can beat the integra in the 1/4 mile and probably beat it at the track too. The S13 is'nt really that much heavier than an integra, It weights about 2,750 LBS.

Remember, this is about Integras and Silvia, don't bring the civic hybrids in here :D


Wait... It took me a day or so to catch what you said... cause mainly I usually dont care. But you just said you've seen Integra's with T25s run low 15s? Cause as most people know... the T25 isnt no lightweight turbo...

Uh so... Either it was a donkey on crack or it wasnt a Turbo'd Integra. Cause Integra GSR's run mid 15s stock. With a few bolt ons they run low 15s to high 14s with out much sweat.

Here on AF, DblOvrHedCamron has a nice set up. Not going to say what he's got, I'm sworn to secrecy not to say. But what I can say is that its a GSR with a T25 setup with some minor goodies and it runs deep into 12's.

Not sure what you saw... But it wasn't no T25 Integra... Probably was a Geo.

turbo'd gsr running 15's? if ur gonna make up a lie, atleast make up something ppl will believe. like redneck said...stock gsr can run low 15's (w/ a good driver) so add a turbo (only a turbo) an u'll hit low 14 high 13 passes all day. even on a ls u'll be in the low 14's...i don't kno where ur gettin this info, but its WAY off...

an pimpeclipse...i'd like u to name those 20 STOCK cars that can own the skyline. (if ur talkin bout 20 seperate cars an not jus diff years of cars). an ur talkin bout supercars, well..last time i checked, the ferrari's an lambo's were imports (for america) an i don't think u can really say the maclearen will own some of the cars from those companies...go to europe, an they have their own supercars...(all of which are IMPORTS)

this arguement will go on for ever...ONE LAST TIME...

IMPORTS vs DOMESTICS is a pointless argument. it all comes down to PERSONAL preference. no matter wut u say to me, i'll pick an import over a domestic. jus like no matter wut u say to domestic lovers', they'll pick a domestic over import. it is all up to the driver...agh...this arguement will never end...

I'm sorry but a Sledgehammer 2003 if there was such a thing still wouldn't be able to take a maclaren F1 because the total balance of the vehicle would be terrible.

In the worlds of best motoring the 350Z is not a Skyline replacement it is a driver's car for driver who doesn't know how to drive well so its very suited for American markets and would probably go up against the corvette

note that the 350Z fastest lap time when they raced the vehicles was 6 seconds slower than a Skyline.

The Nissan Skyline still owns the fastest lap time around the infamous Nurburgring in German laping in just under 8minutes (production car wise) according to Nissan

http://www.nordschleife.no/
but here's some interesting lap times
I don't think the Germans know how to drive NSX's altho there isn't a Type R on here and the Skyline's are R33's I'm sure Keiichi could do better

1983 20,832 km 6,11 = 202 km/h Stefan Bellof, Gruppe C Porsche 956 fastest ever?

7,32,52 = 166 km/h Gemballa GTR Biturbo 600 ps , Wolfgang Kaufmann 2001.
7,49,4 = 159 km/h Blitz Toyota Supra, app. 650 hp, Herbert Schürg 1997.
7,49.93 = 159 km/h BMW Motorsports "X5 Le Mans" 700 ps, Hans-Joachim Stuck. Yes that is the SUV's lap time


7,52 = 159 km/h 2002 Lamborghini Murcielago 570 ps, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2002.

7,55 = 157 km/h Caterham R500, Robert Nearn 2000.
a 150 hp car just works out as 500 hp per tonne

8,22 = 149 km/h Dodge Viper GTS -98, Gunnar Dackevall 1998.

8,28,1 = 147 km/h Nissan Skyline GTR standard 276 hp, Stephen Sutcliffe, AutoCar 1998/1999.


8,33,80 = 146 km/h Honda NSX 6 speed 276 hp, Dirk Schoysman, Car 1998/1999.

8,43 = 142 km/h Honda Integra Type-R 190 hp, Horst von Saurma, Sport Auto 2000.

8,44,83 = 143 km/h Corvette -97 339 hp, Dirk Schoysman.

Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
turbo'd gsr running 15's? if ur gonna make up a lie, atleast make up something ppl will believe. like redneck said...stock gsr can run low 15's (w/ a good driver) so add a turbo (only a turbo) an u'll hit low 14 high 13 passes all day. even on a ls u'll be in the low 14's...i don't kno where ur gettin this info, but its WAY off...



First of all, don't call me a liar, I'm not a fuckin liar, don't ever say that agian. Second, I was just as surprised as anyone else here that the turbo'ed integra was runnin 15 flat. They don't run mid 15's they run high 15's, just so you know.

Maybe the car was screwed up or maybe something else was wrong but I have seen a t25 turbo on a GSR runing 15 flat. It could'ev been something wrong with the car, that's what I'm assuming.

No, I'm not tryin to cover up a lie if that's what you're thinking. If I was, I would'nt have typed this paragraph.

Originally posted by integra818
Maybe the car was screwed up or maybe something else was wrong but I have seen a t25 turbo on a GSR runing 15 flat. It could'ev been something wrong with the car, that's what I'm assuming.

Yeah, there was something wrong, one letter and two numbers. T25. :hehehe:

Originally posted by integra818


First of all, don't call me a liar, I'm not a fuckin liar, don't ever say that agian. Second, I was just as surprised as anyone else here that the turbo'ed integra was runnin 15 flat. They don't run mid 15's they run high 15's, just so you know.

Maybe the car was screwed up or maybe something else was wrong but I have seen a t25 turbo on a GSR runing 15 flat. It could'ev been something wrong with the car, that's what I'm assuming.

No, I'm not tryin to cover up a lie if that's what you're thinking. If I was, I would'nt have typed this paragraph.

I drove a complete, 100% stock down to the filter 1994 GSR to a 15.2 @ MIR. And have driven a 1998(I think that was the year? Tion feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the year of your car:D) GSR with an exhaust and intake to a 15.2 as well at the same track. Seen those two cars and a ton of other GSRs run low and mid 15s all day long. A high 15 GSR either has engine issues or driver issues, one of the two. And there was most assuredly something wrong with that car that could only manage a 15 with a turbo setup, because that is HORRID:bloated:

Originally posted by integra818


First of all, don't call me a liar, I'm not a fuckin liar, don't ever say that agian. Second, I was just as surprised as anyone else here that the turbo'ed integra was runnin 15 flat. They don't run mid 15's they run high 15's, just so you know.

Maybe the car was screwed up or maybe something else was wrong but I have seen a t25 turbo on a GSR runing 15 flat. It could'ev been something wrong with the car, that's what I'm assuming.

No, I'm not tryin to cover up a lie if that's what you're thinking. If I was, I would'nt have typed this paragraph.
Originally posted by Self


I drove a complete, 100% stock down to the filter 1994 GSR to a 15.2 @ MIR. And have driven a 1998(I think that was the year? Tion feel free to correct me if I'm wrong on the year of your car:D) GSR with an exhaust and intake to a 15.2 as well at the same track. Seen those two cars and a ton of other GSRs run low and mid 15s all day long. A high 15 GSR either has engine issues or driver issues, one of the two. And there was most assuredly something wrong with that car that could only manage a 15 with a turbo setup, because that is HORRID:bloated:


just a remainder I would recomened from now on when talking about 1/4 mile times to mention the altitude. Self for example is a sea level if I'm not mistaken. At his altitude a GSR better run low 15's otherwhise the driver sucks or the car has issues.

where i live at over 4000 feet a gsr is a low 16 sec at best.


beside altitude please mention how hot it was outside since hot temperatures han wreck havock with your times too.

sounds like somebody doesn't like being called out...

why not just back yourself up with more information on the car in question, this turbo'd teg...

is the driver good? traction? temp? clutch slipping?

there's more to it than what you said...

and even if you go with what neutrino said, the car should still be AT THE VERY LEAST running loooow 15s...

so what's the deal?

if you're "not a fucking liar", then prove it...

KrNxRaCer00

i didnt say 20 domestics that could own a skyline i said 20 domestics faster than a skyline. But i guess that doesnt matter cuz i guess not many of em could hang with a skyline on foreign roads (american roads might be different. MIGHT be.) As u can probably tell from my name i drove an awd eclipse and now i drive a ford zx2 so i really have no preference when it come to imports or domestics and the only honda id own would be an integra cuz most people i see with civics and what not are just copying some honda they seen in a magazine. I just like to be on the losing side. I dont think its fair to compare any car foreign or domestic to th f1. There is a reason it cost more than a million dollars. But im sure if america came out with something superior in all aspects to te f1 people would bring u shit like i did.
But im losin this one so imma back down. But whoever has that tacos and burritos is exactly right and u guys should take notes from him.

Originally posted by Neutrino



just a remainder I would recomened from now on when talking about 1/4 mile times to mention the altitude. Self for example is a sea level if I'm not mistaken. At his altitude a GSR better run low 15's otherwhise the driver sucks or the car has issues.

where i live at over 4000 feet a gsr is a low 16 sec at best.


beside altitude please mention how hot it was outside since hot temperatures han wreck havock with your times too.

Exactly, that is all true. I'm definitely right down low near sea level. When I drove the two cars I drove to 15.2s, it was in the 70s. So definitely wasn't too hot out. And track prep at MIR is pretty good too, so that also played a part I suppose.

Originally posted by flylwsi
sounds like somebody doesn't like being called out...

why not just back yourself up with more information on the car in question, this turbo'd teg...

is the driver good? traction? temp? clutch slipping?

there's more to it than what you said...

and even if you go with what neutrino said, the car should still be AT THE VERY LEAST running loooow 15s...

so what's the deal?

if you're "not a fucking liar", then prove it...

That's what I forgot to mention...the track it was tested at was at L.A.C.R, which is in a hot/humid desert in Palmdale California. A car ussually runs .8 slower than it's supposed to, so I guess that's where my mistake was.

I just fiqured, since it's a T25 turbo, it probably spooled up really fast causing the wheels to spin at the line,which obviously slows a car down.

LIke I mentioned before, the track is in a desert (kinda like F&F.. "racewars":o ) and the temp might have played a major role in the 1/4 mile time.

At SELF's dragstrip, it probably would'ev done low 14's which seems more accurate.

My honest mistake ;)

You know, the thing is like everybody is always like "yeah, if I got a Skyline, it could get like 1500 horsepower" and what I say is like I could get a Chevy top fueler and get 6000 horsepower.
I HAVE SPOKEN. :bandit:

Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro
You know, the thing is like everybody is always like "yeah, if I got a Skyline, it could get like 1500 horsepower" and what I say is like I could get a Chevy top fueler and get 6000 horsepower.
I HAVE SPOKEN. :bandit:

Are'nt those 6,000 hp engine burning nitromethane?

What the most powerful chevy engine with normal gas, regardless of octane, just curious...

Well, that really REALLY depends on who you knew at the dealership.

The most likely candidate for most powerful production Chevy engine is the 1969 Code ZL-1 427ci V-8 as found in 2 Corvettes, 60 something Camaros, and 20some Chevelles. This engine was an aluminum block, aluminum heads package with 11:1 compression ratio, solid lifters, roller rockers, massive Holley 4barrel carburettor, and bundle of snake headers. The factory rating, for insurance purposes, was 430hp at the crank.....

...Chassis Dyno testing on one of those two Corvettes read 642.8bhp at 6200rpm.

Now, a case can also be made for the 1969 Baldwin-Motion Corvettes (600bhp), or the Z-11 Code 1963 427 (an all-aluminum, dual quad, out growth of the 409 that made its way into a total of 52 full-size Chevys; it produced an unquoted 550bhp). These engines, it must be said, weren't exactly plentiful. The ZL-1 engine option on the 1969 Camaro cost more than a fully loaded SS396 Camaro. Yes, an engine option that more than doubled the price of the car, and deleted every luxury option available in the interest of saving weight and gaining power. They were race specials that had to be produced to get them onto the track.

But, honestly, did anyone complain about Ferrari getting the "production based" V-12 in the 333SP into IMSA competiton on the promise(!) that they'd use it in a road car?

Originally posted by integra818


Are'nt those 6,000 hp engine burning nitromethane?

What the most powerful chevy engine with normal gas, regardless of octane, just curious...

My vote goes to the Quad Turbo Camaro Z28. 3000+ hp and 3000+ft-lbs. And that was at "only" 26lbs of boost:eek: They were supposed to turn the boost up to 32lbs, where they expected to make 3500+ hp but to my knowledge they never posted the results:( Still though, it was incredible. That gets my vote:)

Originally posted by Octagon
Well, that really REALLY depends on who you knew at the dealership.

The most likely candidate for most powerful production Chevy engine is the 1969 Code ZL-1 427ci V-8 as found in 2 Corvettes, 60 something Camaros, and 20some Chevelles. This engine was an aluminum block, aluminum heads package with 11:1 compression ratio, solid lifters, roller rockers, massive Holley 4barrel carburettor, and bundle of snake headers. The factory rating, for insurance purposes, was 430hp at the crank.....

...Chassis Dyno testing on one of those two Corvettes read 642.8bhp at 6200rpm.



Oh Octagon you were so close... I give you lots of credit for knowing as much as you do :). Here's the real scoop on the ZL1. And the 20 or so Chevelles you mentioned I dont think ever existed with ZL1's, I think you might be refering to Yenko Chevelles. They had 427s but were iron bitches not fancy pancy aluminum.

The ZL1 engine was based on the regular Chevrolet 427 engine. However, instead of the regular iron-block and head L72 found in the regular 427 engine, the ZL1 sported aluminum heads and the first aluminum block ever made by Chevrolet. It shared the L88 aluminum head/iron block's engine rating of 430bhp but made closer to 500bhp -- making it probably the most powerful engine Chevrolet ever offered to the public. And the engine weighed just 500 pounds, the same as Chevy's 327 small block. The ZL-1 was made available only for 1969 under COPO 9560 and Chevrolet needed to install 50 copies to qualify the ZL1 Camaro for racing. Chevrolet eventually built 69 Camaros and 2 Corvettes with the ZL1 engine. ZL1 cars were blessed with a 5 year/50,000 mile warranty and were fully street legal. With factory exhausts and tires, ZL1 Camaros could turn low 13s; with headers and slicks, they could turn 11.6s @ 122mph. This was the fastest car ever produced by Chevrolet. Performance had its price - $4,160 for the ZL1 engine alone pushing the price of the Camaro ZL1 to an unbelieveable $7,200 (about double the price for a SS396 Camaro).

Ratings: 427 V8 430bhp@5200rpm, 450lb-ft@4400rpm
Installation: 1969 Chevrolet Camaros: 69, 1969 Chevrolet Corvettes: 2
Total Production: 71.

Originally posted by RedNeck383


Oh Octagon you were so close... I give you lots of credit for knowing as much as you do :). Here's the real scoop on the ZL1. And the 20 or so Chevelles you mentioned I dont think ever existed with ZL1's, I think you might be refering to Yenko Chevelles. They had 427s but were iron bitches not fancy pancy aluminum.

The ZL1 engine was based on the regular Chevrolet 427 engine. However, instead of the regular iron-block and head L72 found in the regular 427 engine, the ZL1 sported aluminum heads and the first aluminum block ever made by Chevrolet. It shared the L88 aluminum head/iron block's engine rating of 430bhp but made closer to 500bhp -- making it probably the most powerful engine Chevrolet ever offered to the public. And the engine weighed just 500 pounds, the same as Chevy's 327 small block. The ZL-1 was made available only for 1969 under COPO 9560 and Chevrolet needed to install 50 copies to qualify the ZL1 Camaro for racing. Chevrolet eventually built 69 Camaros and 2 Corvettes with the ZL1 engine. ZL1 cars were blessed with a 5 year/50,000 mile warranty and were fully street legal. With factory exhausts and tires, ZL1 Camaros could turn low 13s; with headers and slicks, they could turn 11.6s @ 122mph. This was the fastest car ever produced by Chevrolet. Performance had its price - $4,160 for the ZL1 engine alone pushing the price of the Camaro ZL1 to an unbelieveable $7,200 (about double the price for a SS396 Camaro).

Ratings: 427 V8 430bhp@5200rpm, 450lb-ft@4400rpm
Installation: 1969 Chevrolet Camaros: 69, 1969 Chevrolet Corvettes: 2
Total Production: 71.


Damn.. what are you? A freaking history book? haha

Damn.. what are you? A freaking history book? haha

Well if you didn't realize, rednecks are the smartest people in the world. They don't need college or even grade school, idiots like us need that stuff to learn. All they do is sit around all day doing research and pondering intellectual thoughts outside with a double-barrel shotgun.

integra818...
thanks... that's all that was needed....

yeah, if I got a Skyline, it could get like 1500 horsepower" and what I say is like I could get a Chevy top fueler and get 6000 horsepower.

and?

could you drive 6k hp on the street?

not really.

that's such a lame argument.

keep in mind that top fuel motors are massive, like 700+ cubic inches.

not meant for street driving, ever.

they burn gallons of gas in just seconds.

they're known to blow up or destroy themselves nearly every run b/c they're built right up to the razor's edge...

1500hp in a skyline is unlikely, and the limit, but at least it's been done on a street driven skyline.

why not just mention cars like the lingenfelter tt vettes, with a 427 and 800ish hp...

streetable... beats skylines...

keep your comparisons reality based... geez.

Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro
You know, the thing is like everybody is always like "yeah, if I got a Skyline, it could get like 1500 horsepower" and what I say is like I could get a Chevy top fueler and get 6000 horsepower.
I HAVE SPOKEN. :bandit:


it wouldn't turn for shit :flipa:

Originally posted by flylwsi
integra818...
thanks... that's all that was needed....



and?

could you drive 6k hp on the street?

not really.

that's such a lame argument.

keep in mind that top fuel motors are massive, like 700+ cubic inches.

not meant for street driving, ever.

they burn gallons of gas in just seconds.

they're known to blow up or destroy themselves nearly every run b/c they're built right up to the razor's edge...

1500hp in a skyline is unlikely, and the limit, but at least it's been done on a street driven skyline.

why not just mention cars like the lingenfelter tt vettes, with a 427 and 800ish hp...

streetable... beats skylines...

keep your comparisons reality based... geez.

1500hp is unlikely? hell dude HKS made a 1600hp Skyline

1300hp are not uncommon if you visit the top secret garage or Veilside or anyone else for that matter

I think the Mine's Skyline is probably one of the best altho thats only 700hp+

and you dude's have got to Remember that its the US with the biggest straight line obsession most other countries like their cars to turn. I before you start saying some rubbish about american cars can handle i think you should watch some best motoring DVD's

I before you start saying some rubbish about american cars can handle i think you should watch some best motoring DVD's

Did you mean can or can't?

"look!! my peepee is bigger than yours and i can pee farther too!!"

Originally posted by Steel
"look!! my peepee is bigger than yours and i can pee farther too!!"

:D :silly2: :sun: :flash:

Originally posted by DeViL


Did you mean can or can't?

hahaha whoops

i meant ...... and before you start

i have no idea why i wrote I

I dunno i can't be bothered to compare US and Japanese cars they have been developed on completely different pricipals for completely different markets and they both have been tailored around different ideals. In other words its a waste of time saying one is better than the other

so...

1500hp skylines are common?

ones that are street driven and not owned by shops?

doubt it.

i didn't say it was impossible.
1500hp is unlikely? hell dude HKS made a 1600hp Skyline

for the record, as far as i know, 1600hp is the max, as achieved by nismo, and obviously, as you note, HKS.

so how common is it?

not very.

what's the street hp on those cars, as opposed to what they cranked the boost up to for the dyno run?

there's tons of 1000hp supras in the states, and they don't run that boost/hp on the street.

get how unlikely it is now?


american cars can't handle?

vettes, mustangs, camaros, firebirds, vipers, etc?

even a ford lightning can be made to handle...

take the zo6.

it'll outhandle your skyline.

and it's got the 350 in it. that means... you can make 1500hp easily, if not more if you want...

or less, you don't need that much.

lingenfelter?
right.

doesn't need 1300hp to be faster than the 1300hp skyline...


and it's not all about 1/4.

they handle. damn well.

anti domestics, without looking at the facts, or making a good comparo.

i'm sure if you compare your 700hp mine's skyline to a stock zo6...

so mod the vette. hmm...

Originally posted by Polygon


Yeah, there was something wrong, one letter and two numbers. T25. :hehehe:
:spit:
Originally posted by integra818


I just fiqured, since it's a T25 turbo, it probably spooled up really fast causing the wheels to spin at the line,which obviously slows a car down.


At SELF's dragstrip, it probably would'ev done low 14's which seems more accurate.

My honest mistake ;)
......Those T25 snails and there 0 turbo lag..........:rolleyes:
sr20det vs b18c1 both motors equipped with a T25 turbo, jesus thats not even a race..... Granted you would need internal work on the b-series and the sr is built for a turbo stock. As for the silvia, did you read the entire article????? Gee that wasen't an enormous chor, and they spray painted the car. Plus they could have done the same thing with a CRX or a variety of other cars.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K



it wouldn't turn for shit :flipa:

take that engine and stick it in a GT-40 and no one would ever look at an import car again. :flipa:

The main issue is that import people hate domestic cars, and you try mask your biggotry by spouting horsepower per liter nonsense.
What kind of an idiot would prefer a Civic to a Mustang, give me a break. If you import guys were really into racing you'd want the most powerful engine you can get, but you're just in it to look cool from the status a foreign car gives you, and those crappy neon lights, and your body kits from Pep Boys, and those cheesy GReddy stickers, and the fart pipes, now those are gonna make you look cool in front of your friends. :bloated:

Originally posted by flylwsi
so...

1500hp skylines are common?

ones that are street driven and not owned by shops?

doubt it.

i didn't say it was impossible.


for the record, as far as i know, 1600hp is the max, as achieved by nismo, and obviously, as you note, HKS.

so how common is it?

not very.

what's the street hp on those cars, as opposed to what they cranked the boost up to for the dyno run?

there's tons of 1000hp supras in the states, and they don't run that boost/hp on the street.

get how unlikely it is now?


american cars can't handle?

vettes, mustangs, camaros, firebirds, vipers, etc?

even a ford lightning can be made to handle...

take the zo6.

it'll outhandle your skyline.

and it's got the 350 in it. that means... you can make 1500hp easily, if not more if you want...

or less, you don't need that much.

lingenfelter?
right.

doesn't need 1300hp to be faster than the 1300hp skyline...


and it's not all about 1/4.

they handle. damn well.

anti domestics, without looking at the facts, or making a good comparo.

i'm sure if you compare your 700hp mine's skyline to a stock zo6...

so mod the vette. hmm...


Dude hahahaha that was the funniest post


Ya know that the 1000hp Skylines etc are used for highway racing too.
Running on full boost all the time is pointless isn't it? Thats why they don't accelerate away from every light or stop they make like they're trying to head butt the horizon.
unfortunately if i compared a stock skyline to a Z06 it would just about be fair. A modified Vette would no doubt spin on every corner

man keep em coming this is funny stuff


i think you'll find the a 700hp Z06 would loose to the Mine's Skyline
and if your anti-import nature discludes the NSX Type R then thats a shame since that car demostrates that Power isn't all thats needed to make a fast car. Most American Manufacturers forget that but as Demostrated on Best Motoring it could keep pace with a Lamborghini Murcielago and more recently it appeared on BBC's top gear and did a lap in the wet as fast as the Merc SL55 AMG(550hp) did in drier conditions.

I'm not sure what you based the "you are anti domestic so go away opnion on" but fact is fact and i never said once that Imports are better at 1/4 miles that is where the domestic car market has its strengths. All i'm saying is the Japanese car market has stronger emphasis on cornering speed etc because of the limit of power established by the Japanese government they had to find another way of making their cars fast. It's simply evolution. American Sports cars are the best at 1/4 miles thats easy but around a track its something else.

the R32 saw amateur competitors in Australias be able to take to the track and compete with the million dollar factory backed teams which had a hard time keeping up.

I'll say this again just to make sure you realise i said it. The AMERICAN CARS ARE THE BEST ON THE 1/4 MILE THERE IS NO DOUBT ABOUT IT.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K



Dude hahahaha that was the funniest post


Ya know that the 1000hp Skylines etc are used for highway racing too.
Running on full boost all the time is pointless isn't it? Thats why they don't accelerate away from every light or stop they make like they're trying to head butt the horizon.
unfortunately if i compared a stock skyline to a Z06 it would just about be fair. A modified Vette would no doubt spin on every corner

man keep em coming this is funny stuff

A modified Vette would spin on every corner? I beg to differ having ridden in this Corvette around a road track numerous times...

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mself/forumspics/vette1.jpg

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mself/forumspics/vette2.jpg

http://filebox.vt.edu/users/mself/forumspics/vette3.jpg

And a stock Skyline versus a stock Z06 is a blowout as it's over a second slower in the quarter-mile, has over 100 less horsepower and torque, weighs nearly 300lbs more, has a lateral acceleration(.88) that is .12 LESS than that of the Z06(1.00). It does however have a superior braking distance, taking 110ft to go from 60-0, whereas it takes the Corvette 125ft to do the same.
There you have it, the Skyline R34 GT-R compared to the Chevrolet Corvette Z06.

Why is it that you think a Corvette can't turn for anything?

Originally posted by Self


Why is it that you think a Corvette can't turn for anything?

I answered that question brilliantly.:flash:

where's the skyline at le mans?

it's not.

competing with what car that won their class 2 years running?

the vette.

where do you get off saying vettes can't handle?

that's about the lamest shit i've ever heard.

i'm sure you could run full boost on the freeway, but remember that when you still get beat by a vette that has 7-800hp, and can handle at least as well as the skyline.

awd does not mean amazing handling.

front engine rwd doesn't mean it's going to spin in every corner.

like self said, the zo6 pulls about 1g on the skidpad... i'm sure it can handle.

faster on a road course? no doubt in my mind it would be the vette.

give both cars the same hp numbers... still the vette...

and the vette will still have massive amounts of torque.

you're not making sense any more.

i'm anti import?

what do i drive? what's in my sig?

i'm a staunch supporter of imports.

but people like you guys come here and talk shit about cars that are at least as good, if not better, and you get mad when you're proven wrong.

if i do remember the scc article about the racing on the wangan freeway from last month, they said the fastest car on the wangan was, gasp, a modified vette... hmm...

lets argue some more about the more effective machine...

http://www.lingenfelter.com/pac650ttls1y.asp

that car hits 226. with 650hp.

what does it take to get a skyline that high?

that lingenfelter will eat your skyline on it's way there and outhandle it.

and i'm not at all anti skyline.

but i know the limits.

and i'm sure you could get a skyline with 650hp to hit the numbers of that vette, but it would cost more than the vette.

and this isn't just 1/4 mile.
or 0-60.
or topspeed.
or handling.

it's all of them, and i'll put my money on the vette for every category.

and go home with your money.

or i could step up a notch to the 725hp vette and make sure i take your money.

for far less than it would cost to build the skyline that matches those numbers....

Ya know that the 1000hp Skylines etc are used for highway racing too.

it just keeps coming...

so do you think they run that hp all the time?

again, as i said before, i doubt it.

you can turn the boost up to race, whether it's on the track, on the street whatever.

do they drive with that?
probably not.

again, i said non shop vehicles, and the number will decrease greatly.

street driven daily with 1000hp? not likely.

I'm not sure what you based the "you are anti domestic so go away opnion on" but fact is fact and i never said once that Imports are better at 1/4 miles that is where the domestic car market has its strengths

have i said anything about 1/4?
except that the domestic would kill it.

your opinion?

yeah, i'm pretty sure you've not looked at the facts in person, or found your information from a source other than a video game.

you ignore the handling ability of american cars and their ability to outhandle other cars that are similarly modded.

you haven't quote a single domestic number except that "maybe the stock zo6 and skyline are about the same"

which is it.

so back it up on both sides, i'm pretty sure everyone else has.

that's what happens when you're not biased in one direction or the other .

we call that open minded.

you're drinkin way tooo much sake, the Corvette will eat the Skylines ass for CHristmas!:mad:

I'll just add in my two cents....

In the entire 70+ year history of Le Mans, only one Japanese car has won outright. The Mazda 787B. A four row turbo rotary.

Let us all bow our heads in reverance to the rotary.

Now that we've done that, let's examine the other facts.

Fact: The GTS class is dominated by big American V-8's.
Fact: There are technologically advanced American engines (Cadillac Northstar, Ford Modular, Chevrolet LT-5)
Fact: The top handling "hot hatch" of the eighties, and indeed the highest skidpad number pulled by a sub $500,000 car as tested by Car & Driver in 1984 was an American car (Dodge Omni GLH-S)
Fact: Ferraris, Porsches, Aston Martins, Lamborghinis, Jaguars, Maseratis, TVR's, and BMW's have defined what a sports car/sports coupe truly is for the past 50 years. Nissan's 240Z and Mazda's RX-7 are the only pair of Japanese cars regarded as classics by the international auto community.
Final Fact: The Ford GT40 was designed and built in England, with German components, an American engine, Italian aerodynamics, and Japanese computers. Automobiles are an international phenomeneon and every country from the USA to Japan to Germany to England to Sweden to Italy to Korea to Austrailia to New Zealand (the true McLarens) to The Netherlands (Spykers) to France to Spain (Seats and Pegasos) has a claim to have produced an exceptional automobile.

Don't discredit based on nationality, it limits the chances of finding a truly great automobile.

I'm just going to add something as well, regardless though this argument is getting pretty stupid I'm tired of this shit and I'm not going to bother with another import vs domestic, handling vs power, any type of argument like that here again.

I understand that in Europe and Asian countries they do not give a damn about drag racing at all, their main focus is on tracks and rally. So naturally just about every performance oriented vehicle is going to use engines and suspenions made for handling good on the street for daily use or for when you want to go out and push it to its limits. But you can't just knock off American performance vehicles as not being able to handle at all just because we like to drag race more. Think about it, we've been making cars longer than anyone else in the world. So naturally American companies are going to know a thing or to as well about handling.

Originally posted by DeViL
Think about it, we've been making cars longer than anyone else in the world.


Except it was Karl Benz who built the first internal combustion engine powered vehicle in 1886. And if you really want to go back a ways, in the 1680's, an Englishman by the name of Nicholas Cugnot built a steam tractor for pulling cannons. But your argument holds merit all the same.

Yeah well ok, we've been making them longer then most of the world.

Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro


take that engine and stick it in a GT-40 and no one would ever look at an import car again. :flipa:

The main issue is that import people hate domestic cars, and you try mask your biggotry by spouting horsepower per liter nonsense.
What kind of an idiot would prefer a Civic to a Mustang, give me a break. If you import guys were really into racing you'd want the most powerful engine you can get, but you're just in it to look cool from the status a foreign car gives you, and those crappy neon lights, and your body kits from Pep Boys, and those cheesy GReddy stickers, and the fart pipes, now those are gonna make you look cool in front of your friends. :bloated:

A good example of how people are followers ^^^^

Not all import people hate domestics, my friends and I love the F-150 lightniing, the Z06 and some othe American cars, don't go off making coments like that, please.

Not every import racer cares about hp/liter either, don't speak such non-sense.

Us "import-guys" ARE really into racing, ever heard of, you're acting like every import fan is a ricer, don't go off making stupid comments like that.


Seems you've seen so many ricers that you can't tell the difference between a Japanese car or a wannabe, I've seen American ricers, does that mean my friends 10 second mustang is stupid???

I don't want the most powerful engine I can get, I want the most balanced engine I can get, don't make dumb comments like that.

We're not into "looking cool". I'd prefer my car looking slower than it is, it's just the way I like my car: sleeper, thgat was adumb comment.

I don't shop an pep-boys either, don't make idiotic comments like that.

Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro


take that engine and stick it in a GT-40 and no one would ever look at an import car again. :flipa:

The main issue is that import people hate domestic cars, and you try mask your biggotry by spouting horsepower per liter nonsense.
What kind of an idiot would prefer a Civic to a Mustang, give me a break. If you import guys were really into racing you'd want the most powerful engine you can get, but you're just in it to look cool from the status a foreign car gives you, and those crappy neon lights, and your body kits from Pep Boys, and those cheesy GReddy stickers, and the fart pipes, now those are gonna make you look cool in front of your friends. :bloated:

i wouldn't choose a Civic over a mustang as long as the mustang isn't a 6 cylinder or a 4 cylinder then its alright otherwise i'd take the civic.

I wouldn't buy shit from Pep Boys even if it was on offer and had something good in it to fertilize my garden.


Best Motoring resolves most of the Track issues regarding Corvette's and Skylines. Mostly cuz the Corvette got beat.

oooooo

Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro


take that engine and stick it in a GT-40 and no one would ever look at an import car again. :flipa:

The main issue is that import people hate domestic cars, and you try mask your biggotry by spouting horsepower per liter nonsense.
What kind of an idiot would prefer a Civic to a Mustang, give me a break. If you import guys were really into racing you'd want the most powerful engine you can get, but you're just in it to look cool from the status a foreign car gives you, and those crappy neon lights, and your body kits from Pep Boys, and those cheesy GReddy stickers, and the fart pipes, now those are gonna make you look cool in front of your friends. :bloated:

I am a little tired right now, so forgive me if I misspell anything.
No one prefers Civics to Mustangs, but they're also in different classes altogether. No one also prefers an Escort to a 300ZX, but you don't see me saying that. Oh wait, you do!
Anyway... When it all comes down to it, race the big boys against other big boys, and the imports will come out on top, if all the factors are the same (other than engine), the imports will always dominate the domestics. Z06's cannot hold a candle to the handling of a Skyline GT-R and never will. Check the numbers boys.

Originally posted by S14Kyle

Z06's cannot hold a candle to the handling of a Skyline GT-R and never will

Wanna know why the Skyline is not in LeMans? Because the Corvette is there kicking ass. Import cars are no match to the ultimate power of American muscle.

Wanna see handling, check out what a 2003 Mustang Cobra can achieve with a couple thousand dollars of Kenny Brown or Griggs suspension upgrades, and with 400 hp and 400 lbs/ft on tap it makes every other car out there look like a joke. To keep from admitting that American muscle is the ultimate, car magazines had to make fun of its interior. That seems to be the only argument to downgrade an awesome sports car "the interior looks cheap" When you're doing 150 mph who cares. Oh, but I forgot, you guys are only into it to look pretty.:rolleyes:

Originally posted by S14Kyle

Z06's cannot hold a candle to the handling of a Skyline GT-R and never will. Check the numbers boys.

Wow, that was a bold statement.... Did you make that because you were tired or do you really mean that? ha..

Originally posted by S14Kyle


I am a little tired right now, so forgive me if I misspell anything.
No one prefers Civics to Mustangs, but they're also in different classes altogether. No one also prefers an Escort to a 300ZX, but you don't see me saying that. Oh wait, you do!
Anyway... When it all comes down to it, race the big boys against other big boys, and the imports will come out on top, if all the factors are the same (other than engine), the imports will always dominate the domestics. Z06's cannot hold a candle to the handling of a Skyline GT-R and never will. Check the numbers boys.

I seriously hope you said that because you're tired...You're definitely the one who needs to check the numbers. And then post them up for us so we can all see them. No wait, actually, I already did it. And the Corvette came out on top. Not going to waste anymore of my time formulating a response to this, as I along with about 5 other people already have. So here are quotes from the previous page. You must have either missed it or ignored it b/c you couldn't face facts...

Originally posted by Self
And a stock Skyline versus a stock Z06 is a blowout as the Skyline is over a second slower in the quarter-mile, has over 100 less horsepower and torque, weighs nearly 300lbs more, and has a lateral acceleration(.88) that is .12 LESS than that of the Z06(1.00). It does however have a superior braking distance, taking 110ft to go from 60-0, whereas it takes the Corvette 125ft to do the same.:D
There you have it, the Skyline R34 GT-R compared to the Chevrolet Corvette Z06.

Originally posted by flylwsi
where's the skyline at le mans?

it's not.

competing with what car that won their class 2 years running?

the vette.

where do you get off saying vettes can't handle?

that's about the lamest shit i've ever heard.

like self said, the zo6 pulls about 1g on the skidpad... i'm sure it can handle.

faster on a road course? no doubt in my mind it would be the vette.

give both cars the same hp numbers... still the vette...

and the vette will still have massive amounts of torque.

you're not making sense any more.

but people like you guys come here and talk shit about cars that are at least as good, if not better, and you get mad when you're proven wrong.

if i do remember the scc article about the racing on the wangan freeway from last month, they said the fastest car on the wangan was, gasp, a modified vette... hmm...

Originally posted by flylwsi
lets argue some more about the more effective machine...

http://www.lingenfelter.com/pac650ttls1y.asp

that car hits 226. with 650hp.

what does it take to get a skyline that high?

that lingenfelter will eat your skyline on it's way there and outhandle it.

and i'm not at all anti skyline.

but i know the limits.

and i'm sure you could get a skyline with 650hp to hit the numbers of that vette, but it would cost more than the vette.

and this isn't just 1/4 mile.
or 0-60.
or topspeed.
or handling.

it's all of them, and i'll put my money on the vette for every category.

and go home with your money.

or i could step up a notch to the 725hp vette and make sure i take your money.

for far less than it would cost to build the skyline that matches those numbers....

Originally posted by Octagon
I'll just add in my two cents....

In the entire 70+ year history of Le Mans, only one Japanese car has won outright. The Mazda 787B. A four row turbo rotary.

Let us all bow our heads in reverance to the rotary.

Now that we've done that, let's examine the other facts.

Fact: The GTS class is dominated by big American V-8's.
Fact: There are technologically advanced American engines (Cadillac Northstar, Ford Modular, Chevrolet LT-5)
Fact: The top handling "hot hatch" of the eighties, and indeed the highest skidpad number pulled by a sub $500,000 car as tested by Car & Driver in 1984 was an American car (Dodge Omni GLH-S)
Fact: Ferraris, Porsches, Aston Martins, Lamborghinis, Jaguars, Maseratis, TVR's, and BMW's have defined what a sports car/sports coupe truly is for the past 50 years. Nissan's 240Z and Mazda's RX-7 are the only pair of Japanese cars regarded as classics by the international auto community.
Final Fact: The Ford GT40 was designed and built in England, with German components, an American engine, Italian aerodynamics, and Japanese computers. Automobiles are an international phenomeneon and every country from the USA to Japan to Germany to England to Sweden to Italy to Korea to Austrailia to New Zealand (the true McLarens) to The Netherlands (Spykers) to France to Spain (Seats and Pegasos) has a claim to have produced an exceptional automobile.

Don't discredit based on nationality, it limits the chances of finding a truly great automobile.

Originally posted by DeViL
I'm just going to add something as well, regardless though this argument is getting pretty stupid I'm tired of this shit and I'm not going to bother with another import vs domestic, handling vs power, any type of argument like that here again.

I understand that in Europe and Asian countries they do not give a damn about drag racing at all, their main focus is on tracks and rally. So naturally just about every performance oriented vehicle is going to use engines and suspenions made for handling good on the street for daily use or for when you want to go out and push it to its limits. But you can't just knock off American performance vehicles as not being able to handle at all just because we like to drag race more. Think about it, we've been making cars longer than anyone else in the world. So naturally American companies are going to know a thing or to as well about handling.

:biggrin2: OWNED!

dun dun dunnn... quick! Rebuttle! hahahhahaahaha..

Earlier in the thread, someone mentioned something about American cars beating impots in Lemans and that shows that the American cars can handle. That does'nt mean anything, in JGTC the Skyline beats the vipers and Mclarens but that does'nt prove anything, it could be a matter of driver. My point is... just cuz the American cars beat the imports in LeMans, does'nt make the American cars handle better or just as good or worse, whichever you prefer, it just means the drive of the Corvette is a better driver.

Don't tell me the driver of the Corvette is American and the import driver is an import from another country :finger:

Haha... Ownedd....

Self... I think you know what to do now...


cause...

WTF, someone here siad Corvettes can't handle? I'm an import fan but I love corvettes because... they can handle AND perform in the 1/4 mile. Corvettes kick ass, regardless of which side you're on, you have to admit Corvettes can whip ass. :D

Ha, maybe Redneck is right...Goodnight:)