DOMESTIC vs IMPORT?
flylwsi
03-29-2003, 01:46 PM
simple fact though, is that this isn't about the war, it's not about politics, it's simply about whether people like domestics or imports.
i've got an opinion, i stated it.
you stated yours, i can state mine.
i've got an opinion, i stated it.
you stated yours, i can state mine.
hybridsol
03-29-2003, 07:10 PM
Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
import=good for some ppl
domestic=good for some ppl
all preference...end of story. :D
well put.
import=good for some ppl
domestic=good for some ppl
all preference...end of story. :D
well put.
integra818
03-31-2003, 12:16 AM
Originally posted by Spyk
Funny how ( and i won't use my Ws6) a trans am of 01-02 breeding with pushrod and live axle .. could nail 66mph in a 600ft* slalom a .89 g and still run stock low low 13's all day with more than a adequate interior.. for mid 20's
My friends eclipse can run mid 12, pull more than .90 g, and it'll sure-as-hell do faster than 66 mph in a slalom, and he built it for less than 20, and don't tell me it's because it's built, most of his car is modified original parts ( ported turbo/ reprogrammed computer/ airbox modified, etc...)
Why are the domestic guys always talkin about price-per-hp. since when does money have to do with racing? It takes money to go fast but you should'nt throw your cars speed and price in the same pool, they're 2 very different subjects. Your car is your car ,and THAT"s how fast it goes... whatever amount of money you spent on it is a whole diferent story.
You want the fastest thing for the money, why don't you buy a motorcycle? You don't want to??? well... I don't wanna buy an american v8 regardless of it's power-per-dollar.
I've siad it once, I'll say it agian... not ALL imporst are "rice burners". Take a look at the DSM guys, most of themh hate body kits and concentrate on engine mods instead of what color the shiftknob is.
You might think some of the things I said are ignorant but think a bit deeper and you'll see the picture I'm tryin to show.
Funny how ( and i won't use my Ws6) a trans am of 01-02 breeding with pushrod and live axle .. could nail 66mph in a 600ft* slalom a .89 g and still run stock low low 13's all day with more than a adequate interior.. for mid 20's
My friends eclipse can run mid 12, pull more than .90 g, and it'll sure-as-hell do faster than 66 mph in a slalom, and he built it for less than 20, and don't tell me it's because it's built, most of his car is modified original parts ( ported turbo/ reprogrammed computer/ airbox modified, etc...)
Why are the domestic guys always talkin about price-per-hp. since when does money have to do with racing? It takes money to go fast but you should'nt throw your cars speed and price in the same pool, they're 2 very different subjects. Your car is your car ,and THAT"s how fast it goes... whatever amount of money you spent on it is a whole diferent story.
You want the fastest thing for the money, why don't you buy a motorcycle? You don't want to??? well... I don't wanna buy an american v8 regardless of it's power-per-dollar.
I've siad it once, I'll say it agian... not ALL imporst are "rice burners". Take a look at the DSM guys, most of themh hate body kits and concentrate on engine mods instead of what color the shiftknob is.
You might think some of the things I said are ignorant but think a bit deeper and you'll see the picture I'm tryin to show.
pontiactrac
03-31-2003, 03:43 PM
Originally posted by integra818
My friends eclipse can run mid 12, pull more than .90 g, and it'll sure-as-hell do faster than 66 mph in a slalom, and he built it for less than 20, and don't tell me it's because it's built, most of his car is modified original parts ( ported turbo/ reprogrammed computer/ airbox modified, etc...)
Why are the domestic guys always talkin about price-per-hp. since when does money have to do with racing? It takes money to go fast but you should'nt throw your cars speed and price in the same pool, they're 2 very different subjects. Your car is your car ,and THAT"s how fast it goes... whatever amount of money you spent on it is a whole diferent story.
You want the fastest thing for the money, why don't you buy a motorcycle? You don't want to??? well... I don't wanna buy an american v8 regardless of it's power-per-dollar.
I've siad it once, I'll say it agian... not ALL imporst are "rice burners". Take a look at the DSM guys, most of themh hate body kits and concentrate on engine mods instead of what color the shiftknob is.
You might think some of the things I said are ignorant but think a bit deeper and you'll see the picture I'm tryin to show.
I dont know exactly what you mean by domestic guys always bragging about price-per-hp. If anything us domestic fans get bad price per hp, it shows in our pockets when we fill up gas into our bigger engines. Iv'e never heard anyone of us brag about this. If anything, i think an import is a better value for more horsepower since they have such great fuel economy per horsepower, RSX is getting 200hp from a 4cylinder that is alot of output. So i can't understand really what you mean by this since the opposite seems to be true, and V8's and V6's burn out our pockets. Now if you are talking about the base price on buying a car, i still think that (Asian) imports are mostly cheaper, take a look at civics and many others. Then compare them to the price of a camaro z28 or svt cobra. The imports are still a better value. So if anything, us domestic guys usually go for a worse value in terms of money, but if we like and prefer domestic cars, i don't see a problem with it, just like import guys prefer imports. But still, could you further ur reply so can understand
My friends eclipse can run mid 12, pull more than .90 g, and it'll sure-as-hell do faster than 66 mph in a slalom, and he built it for less than 20, and don't tell me it's because it's built, most of his car is modified original parts ( ported turbo/ reprogrammed computer/ airbox modified, etc...)
Why are the domestic guys always talkin about price-per-hp. since when does money have to do with racing? It takes money to go fast but you should'nt throw your cars speed and price in the same pool, they're 2 very different subjects. Your car is your car ,and THAT"s how fast it goes... whatever amount of money you spent on it is a whole diferent story.
You want the fastest thing for the money, why don't you buy a motorcycle? You don't want to??? well... I don't wanna buy an american v8 regardless of it's power-per-dollar.
I've siad it once, I'll say it agian... not ALL imporst are "rice burners". Take a look at the DSM guys, most of themh hate body kits and concentrate on engine mods instead of what color the shiftknob is.
You might think some of the things I said are ignorant but think a bit deeper and you'll see the picture I'm tryin to show.
I dont know exactly what you mean by domestic guys always bragging about price-per-hp. If anything us domestic fans get bad price per hp, it shows in our pockets when we fill up gas into our bigger engines. Iv'e never heard anyone of us brag about this. If anything, i think an import is a better value for more horsepower since they have such great fuel economy per horsepower, RSX is getting 200hp from a 4cylinder that is alot of output. So i can't understand really what you mean by this since the opposite seems to be true, and V8's and V6's burn out our pockets. Now if you are talking about the base price on buying a car, i still think that (Asian) imports are mostly cheaper, take a look at civics and many others. Then compare them to the price of a camaro z28 or svt cobra. The imports are still a better value. So if anything, us domestic guys usually go for a worse value in terms of money, but if we like and prefer domestic cars, i don't see a problem with it, just like import guys prefer imports. But still, could you further ur reply so can understand
kaoru-tochiro
03-31-2003, 03:51 PM
Originally posted by pontiactrac
I dont know exactly what you mean by domestic guys always bragging about price-per-hp. If anything us domestic fans get bad price per hp, it shows in our pockets when we fill up gas into our bigger engines. Since when is this something we brag about. If anything, i think an import is a better value for more horsepower since they have such great fuel economy per horsepower, RSX is getting 200hp from a 4cylinder that is alot of output. So i can't understand really what you mean by this since the opposite seems to be true, and V8's and V6's burn out our pockets. Now if you are talking about the base price on buying a car, i still think that (Asian) imports are mostly cheaper, take a look at civics and many others. Then compare them to the price of a camaro z28 or svt cobra. The imports are still a better value. So if anything, us domestic guys usually go for a worse value in terms of money, but if we like and prefer domestic cars, i don't see a problem with it, just like import guys prefer imports. But still, could you further ur reply so can understand
Your fanaticism for American muscle is blinding your judgement, stop flaming those poor imports, they are good cars too:cry:
I dont know exactly what you mean by domestic guys always bragging about price-per-hp. If anything us domestic fans get bad price per hp, it shows in our pockets when we fill up gas into our bigger engines. Since when is this something we brag about. If anything, i think an import is a better value for more horsepower since they have such great fuel economy per horsepower, RSX is getting 200hp from a 4cylinder that is alot of output. So i can't understand really what you mean by this since the opposite seems to be true, and V8's and V6's burn out our pockets. Now if you are talking about the base price on buying a car, i still think that (Asian) imports are mostly cheaper, take a look at civics and many others. Then compare them to the price of a camaro z28 or svt cobra. The imports are still a better value. So if anything, us domestic guys usually go for a worse value in terms of money, but if we like and prefer domestic cars, i don't see a problem with it, just like import guys prefer imports. But still, could you further ur reply so can understand
Your fanaticism for American muscle is blinding your judgement, stop flaming those poor imports, they are good cars too:cry:
pontiactrac
03-31-2003, 03:57 PM
Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro
Your fanaticism for American muscle is blinding your judgement, stop flaming those poor imports, they are good cars too:cry:
How was that anyway a flame to imports. i just admitted that they have GREAT output from their smaller engines while we don't get as great of an output from ours larger engines. If you put 2&2 together you know that was a compliment to the great technology which imports are using in their engines. I still prefer to ride domestics though<< is that considered a flame? Please tell me it's not
Your fanaticism for American muscle is blinding your judgement, stop flaming those poor imports, they are good cars too:cry:
How was that anyway a flame to imports. i just admitted that they have GREAT output from their smaller engines while we don't get as great of an output from ours larger engines. If you put 2&2 together you know that was a compliment to the great technology which imports are using in their engines. I still prefer to ride domestics though<< is that considered a flame? Please tell me it's not
kaoru-tochiro
03-31-2003, 04:03 PM
Oh god! stop it!:crying: just stop it! Taranaki get down here and yell at this guy!:crying:
pontiactrac
03-31-2003, 04:09 PM
Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro
Oh god! stop it!:crying: just stop it! Taranaki get down here and yell at this guy!:crying:
ooook, I am officially confused... Taranaki, i think ur the moderator, please don't yell at me, i like imports very much and love their great economy and output. I don't know why i am getting in trouble, and how is anyone getting that i am "flaming imports when i am complimenting them?" Am i in the twilight zone or something?
Oh god! stop it!:crying: just stop it! Taranaki get down here and yell at this guy!:crying:
ooook, I am officially confused... Taranaki, i think ur the moderator, please don't yell at me, i like imports very much and love their great economy and output. I don't know why i am getting in trouble, and how is anyone getting that i am "flaming imports when i am complimenting them?" Am i in the twilight zone or something?
DeViL
03-31-2003, 04:22 PM
Your fanaticism for American muscle is blinding your judgement, stop flaming those poor imports, they are good cars too
To put this in a blunt manner, you're an idiot.
To put this in a blunt manner, you're an idiot.
pontiactrac
03-31-2003, 04:24 PM
Originally posted by DeViL
To put this in a blunt manner, you're an idiot.
:hehehe: The timing on that one couldn't have been any better!
To put this in a blunt manner, you're an idiot.
:hehehe: The timing on that one couldn't have been any better!
kaoru-tochiro
03-31-2003, 04:34 PM
Originally posted by DeViL
To put this in a blunt manner, you're an idiot.
To put it another way you're the idiot and any other moron that believes pontiactrack is also an idiot. Since when the hell are Muscle car guys so apathetic to admit that an import car will ever do anithing better than their cars?!?!??!
Pontiac track, you're a phony and a traytor! Change your name!
To put this in a blunt manner, you're an idiot.
To put it another way you're the idiot and any other moron that believes pontiactrack is also an idiot. Since when the hell are Muscle car guys so apathetic to admit that an import car will ever do anithing better than their cars?!?!??!
Pontiac track, you're a phony and a traytor! Change your name!
pontiactrac
03-31-2003, 05:08 PM
Originally posted by kaoru-tochiro
To put it another way you're the idiot and any other moron that believes pontiactrack is also an idiot. Since when the hell are Muscle car guys so apathetic to admit that an import car will ever do anithing better than their cars?!?!??!
Pontiac track, you're a phony and a traytor! Change your name!
Whoa Whoa cowboy, whatever happened to me being accused of flaming, look at your post you foolish hypocrite! I have admitted that imports have good essentials and if you have a problem with it you can pay me a visit. I dont appreciate you calling me a flamer when you are calling us all this garbage. Still wanna call taranaki? God, honesty gets you nowhere.
To put it another way you're the idiot and any other moron that believes pontiactrack is also an idiot. Since when the hell are Muscle car guys so apathetic to admit that an import car will ever do anithing better than their cars?!?!??!
Pontiac track, you're a phony and a traytor! Change your name!
Whoa Whoa cowboy, whatever happened to me being accused of flaming, look at your post you foolish hypocrite! I have admitted that imports have good essentials and if you have a problem with it you can pay me a visit. I dont appreciate you calling me a flamer when you are calling us all this garbage. Still wanna call taranaki? God, honesty gets you nowhere.
TDIguy
03-31-2003, 05:18 PM
Just like the old saying
No replacement for displacement
That stands true. The big 8 pot monsters will always own the straight line. Dont give me crap about sticking a turbo on a little 4 or 6 pot. Yes it will then be faster. But what if you then put the same turbo on the big 8. The V8 is faster. What I am trying to say, mod for mod the v8 will always win. Now, in the corners in "gerneral" the imports tend to be above. I know the Z06 and Viper pull 1g regularly. But I mean on the majority, 10 imports from Germany, Korea, and Japan vs 10 domestics. The imports will win in corners.
No replacement for displacement
That stands true. The big 8 pot monsters will always own the straight line. Dont give me crap about sticking a turbo on a little 4 or 6 pot. Yes it will then be faster. But what if you then put the same turbo on the big 8. The V8 is faster. What I am trying to say, mod for mod the v8 will always win. Now, in the corners in "gerneral" the imports tend to be above. I know the Z06 and Viper pull 1g regularly. But I mean on the majority, 10 imports from Germany, Korea, and Japan vs 10 domestics. The imports will win in corners.
flylwsi
03-31-2003, 06:13 PM
To put it another way you're the idiot and any other moron that believes pontiactrack is also an idiot. Since when the hell are Muscle car guys so apathetic to admit that an import car will ever do anithing better than their cars?!?!??!
:bonghitte
friend of yours???
:bonghitte
friend of yours???
Cbass
03-31-2003, 06:13 PM
Most of the time when the word "import" is thrown around here, it's used to describe Japanese cars. I was looking at a completely built Supra engine that was making something to the tune of 1400hp for a pro street car. That's very impressive for a 3.0 liter engine. Then I looked at a supercharged Hemi in a top fueler, making EASILY twice that. The only way to overcome lower displacement is with boost, and that takes higher octane fuel.
I am working on a 6.6 liter Ford smallblock for a project car. With 8.3:1 compression and a very mild cam, that engine will make about 300hp. That's less that 50hp/liter, but it's still 300hp. It will make 300hp on 86 octane gas, all day long.
For a 2 liter engine to make 300hp, it would require either extremly high compression, or signifigant boost, and either way, it can't do it on 86 octane. It's going to take just as much fuel to make 300hp with a 2 liter engine as it will with a 6.6 liter engine, and I'm still paying a lot less for gas.
I am working on a 6.6 liter Ford smallblock for a project car. With 8.3:1 compression and a very mild cam, that engine will make about 300hp. That's less that 50hp/liter, but it's still 300hp. It will make 300hp on 86 octane gas, all day long.
For a 2 liter engine to make 300hp, it would require either extremly high compression, or signifigant boost, and either way, it can't do it on 86 octane. It's going to take just as much fuel to make 300hp with a 2 liter engine as it will with a 6.6 liter engine, and I'm still paying a lot less for gas.
hybridsol
03-31-2003, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by TerminalVelocity
ummm, mods who have been thread close/move happy...where are you?
This is just going to turn into the usuall flame war...
I'm just waiting for an "I told you so" from TV. :D
ummm, mods who have been thread close/move happy...where are you?
This is just going to turn into the usuall flame war...
I'm just waiting for an "I told you so" from TV. :D
DeViL
04-01-2003, 12:32 AM
Since when the hell are Muscle car guys so apathetic to admit that an import car will ever do anithing better than their cars?!?!??!
Ok you're either completely missing what Pontiactrac is trying to say or you're just trying to get people to argue. HE SAID IMPORTS ARE GOOD CARS. What the hell is wrong with you? GOOD CARS, IMPORTS, has your brain made the connection yet?
Ok you're either completely missing what Pontiactrac is trying to say or you're just trying to get people to argue. HE SAID IMPORTS ARE GOOD CARS. What the hell is wrong with you? GOOD CARS, IMPORTS, has your brain made the connection yet?
pontiactrac
04-01-2003, 06:40 AM
Originally posted by DeViL
Ok you're either completely missing what Pontiactrac is trying to say or you're just trying to get people to argue. HE SAID IMPORTS ARE GOOD CARS. What the hell is wrong with you? GOOD CARS, IMPORTS, has your brain made the connection yet?
Yes, please read this. There are alot of things that i like about imports, however, my preference just stays with the domestics. I love the sound of a nice American V8 or even a well tuned V6, and nothing beats the sound of a carborated 8cylinder. I like the fact that our cars have history, i could trace almost any model of domestic on the road today, to the same model my father had seen on the streets while living through the Muscle era. Yes it is true, give or take a few, some of the domestic models today haven't kept their essentials as they did back then. But then again there are many models today that i think could hold up to the muscle ones and even exeed them. The last model of Firebird Trans Am, was the fastest ever built stock, Mustang has made the fastest stock cobra ever with the 395hp engine, Needless to say these are only a few. It's just my preference to drive a domestic, just like alot of you guys wouldn't think twice about driving anything other than an import. We all have preferences, sure, i wouldn't mind having technology like variable valve timing in some domestics today, but i wouldn't sacrifice any of their essentials that make me like them so much for it. Just my take
Ok you're either completely missing what Pontiactrac is trying to say or you're just trying to get people to argue. HE SAID IMPORTS ARE GOOD CARS. What the hell is wrong with you? GOOD CARS, IMPORTS, has your brain made the connection yet?
Yes, please read this. There are alot of things that i like about imports, however, my preference just stays with the domestics. I love the sound of a nice American V8 or even a well tuned V6, and nothing beats the sound of a carborated 8cylinder. I like the fact that our cars have history, i could trace almost any model of domestic on the road today, to the same model my father had seen on the streets while living through the Muscle era. Yes it is true, give or take a few, some of the domestic models today haven't kept their essentials as they did back then. But then again there are many models today that i think could hold up to the muscle ones and even exeed them. The last model of Firebird Trans Am, was the fastest ever built stock, Mustang has made the fastest stock cobra ever with the 395hp engine, Needless to say these are only a few. It's just my preference to drive a domestic, just like alot of you guys wouldn't think twice about driving anything other than an import. We all have preferences, sure, i wouldn't mind having technology like variable valve timing in some domestics today, but i wouldn't sacrifice any of their essentials that make me like them so much for it. Just my take
integra818
04-01-2003, 05:24 PM
Originally posted by pontiactrac
...just like alot of you guys wouldn't think twice about driving anything other than an import. ...
I'd LOVEto drive an 11 second camaro on the streets, bu when the time comes to take it to the race course, I'd rathr have a car much lighter, but I fully understand what you're sayin.
...just like alot of you guys wouldn't think twice about driving anything other than an import. ...
I'd LOVEto drive an 11 second camaro on the streets, bu when the time comes to take it to the race course, I'd rathr have a car much lighter, but I fully understand what you're sayin.
pontiactrac
04-01-2003, 06:30 PM
Originally posted by integra818
I'd LOVEto drive an 11 second camaro on the streets, bu when the time comes to take it to the race course, I'd rathr have a car much lighter, but I fully understand what you're sayin.
Alright, i respect that, and the same goes for me. One of my favorite cars of my day is the nissan 300zx, chirping rear wheel drive, can have a nice throaty sound from the high output 3.0L, large<<i like big cars, not over the top flashy, T-tops (It has many traits of a musclecar, which i come to love about it.) i almost bought one. But the majority of my preferences go with what i earlier stated, so that's obviously what it all comes down to, preference.
I'd LOVEto drive an 11 second camaro on the streets, bu when the time comes to take it to the race course, I'd rathr have a car much lighter, but I fully understand what you're sayin.
Alright, i respect that, and the same goes for me. One of my favorite cars of my day is the nissan 300zx, chirping rear wheel drive, can have a nice throaty sound from the high output 3.0L, large<<i like big cars, not over the top flashy, T-tops (It has many traits of a musclecar, which i come to love about it.) i almost bought one. But the majority of my preferences go with what i earlier stated, so that's obviously what it all comes down to, preference.
Murco
04-02-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by integra818
I'd LOVEto drive an 11 second camaro on the streets, bu when the time comes to take it to the race course, I'd rathr have a car much lighter...
If you're ever on the west coast of Florida come by and see me! I'll take you for a ride in that 11 second Camaro and, with some advance notice, arrange a road course run that will turn ya white like a ghost!
I'd LOVEto drive an 11 second camaro on the streets, bu when the time comes to take it to the race course, I'd rathr have a car much lighter...
If you're ever on the west coast of Florida come by and see me! I'll take you for a ride in that 11 second Camaro and, with some advance notice, arrange a road course run that will turn ya white like a ghost!
Spyk
04-02-2003, 09:51 PM
Glad to see you actualyhave a 11 second camar... and on a raod course manyhi-po- ls1 cars will tuen you into a ghosht
Way t stick it to the imports.. with you project RS..
And this was the car thatwas soppesed to chew on my already low 11.. ws6 before the Head work???
totallyawesomethug for a 89 cloned rs.. i've give you that..
How do you think it would hold up in the Mileof America circuit against a technologically superior 01 Ws6???
well hell as long as you chew up the imports..
though there are alot ofawd imprts that with blast you out of the apex.. though my stall is set up correctly indeed i can rape out of a turn drifting or with a mild degree od oversterr.. do to the advacements in strcuteurat HZ between the 3rd gen and the lastest 4 th gen no mattter what you have as a supension . i'd bet it not beeter than mine and since my pateform i startet infintly higher than your.. You'dbesurprised what a head pagace does for the ls1.. it not like an lt1 or Lt4..
chio amigo
Way t stick it to the imports.. with you project RS..
And this was the car thatwas soppesed to chew on my already low 11.. ws6 before the Head work???
totallyawesomethug for a 89 cloned rs.. i've give you that..
How do you think it would hold up in the Mileof America circuit against a technologically superior 01 Ws6???
well hell as long as you chew up the imports..
though there are alot ofawd imprts that with blast you out of the apex.. though my stall is set up correctly indeed i can rape out of a turn drifting or with a mild degree od oversterr.. do to the advacements in strcuteurat HZ between the 3rd gen and the lastest 4 th gen no mattter what you have as a supension . i'd bet it not beeter than mine and since my pateform i startet infintly higher than your.. You'dbesurprised what a head pagace does for the ls1.. it not like an lt1 or Lt4..
chio amigo
-The Stig-
04-02-2003, 10:10 PM
So Spyk... you're saying since Murco happens to have a 89 RS Camaro...
That he isn't in the same league as you?:confused:
If I'm not mistaken... Murco has done some work to the RS... Not sure on the specifics but its still a very respectible car none the less.
Just remember this Spyk...
There is always somebody faster.
Regardless of car make or engine size, there is always somebody faster.
That he isn't in the same league as you?:confused:
If I'm not mistaken... Murco has done some work to the RS... Not sure on the specifics but its still a very respectible car none the less.
Just remember this Spyk...
There is always somebody faster.
Regardless of car make or engine size, there is always somebody faster.
Self
04-03-2003, 04:13 AM
Originally posted by Spyk
And this was the car thatwas soppesed to chew on my already low 11.. ws6 before the Head work???
You were running a low 11 quarter with stock heads? MODS LIST NOW PLEASE:rolleyes: And PLEASE try to work on making your posts more readable/understandable, Officer. It's entirely too much work extracting your point from that mess:(
And this was the car thatwas soppesed to chew on my already low 11.. ws6 before the Head work???
You were running a low 11 quarter with stock heads? MODS LIST NOW PLEASE:rolleyes: And PLEASE try to work on making your posts more readable/understandable, Officer. It's entirely too much work extracting your point from that mess:(
Spyk
04-03-2003, 05:23 AM
Well i doubt his is it.. i run low 11's in the 1/4 and thats with out Nos.. .. in utoocross .. i use a variable Nos controller with a miniscul8 shot jets that allows me to blast out of the turns while not useing 100% of the 80shot as it is time incremental..
This is the new thig in Ato's being used uin autocrossing.. and if an any 11 second 1/4 mile time Murco can produce.. sorry to sayhis aerodynamics structural hert is not up to par.. i've over 10-12 grand over the cost of my Ws6 in every subsytem.. the point i'm making although his is an Exceptional car.. with his crate engine.. it lacks the balance and the with my Auto / stall / high str shiftkit and tires as well as the nos Variable controller.. in an Autocross....depending on the set up.. put him on willow springs and he'll get chewed up.. by a modern Ws6..
Were in the Street in actual situation do you find cone.. and i've already addresses the 1/4 mile properly preped.. i can easily nail a 11 flat with out nos.. ( and i use 125 shot on the strip
where as the Auto variable nos controller sequence uses 80-90 shot ramped up in a 2 secent interval starting at 55% total nos.. giving the Automatic the ege coming out of the turns since Murco and i have similar hp Na ..yeah the head job fixed the below 500 hp static,, and the ram air.. true ram air not factory takes care of the rest..
Ift there is always someone faster . tell it to him....my prgramgming/ setup strucural reinformrcement the sparing and advance use of Nos nd a nos controller.. Vict 70 and a synergistic drag/ atuocrss suspesion.. on a car that started lif as a 13 flat car.. i think even a big block 455 puched out wouldn.t give him an advantage
Balanced crank ect ect.. i know what he has i know iit s a crate motor.. .. it just s not superior to the Ws6 in any way.. on any type of race.. ecpecially top end.. his aerodynamics even limit him
in theary i need 480 hp to the wheel to acheice 190 . and i have far more than that.. when the non static hp number are read.. ie.. with ramair effect.. easily another 35-40 at speeds of 120
what ever my point was prop to him crushing some imports.. though i'm not impressed in the least.. maybe when he s/c his set up i'll be and uses some autocross tires.. he no threat on the /4 mil nor the autocross course.. not to me
i'vespent 2/1/2 years carelfulyy planning the ultimate Ws6 one that can do everything well.. including stop..
This is the new thig in Ato's being used uin autocrossing.. and if an any 11 second 1/4 mile time Murco can produce.. sorry to sayhis aerodynamics structural hert is not up to par.. i've over 10-12 grand over the cost of my Ws6 in every subsytem.. the point i'm making although his is an Exceptional car.. with his crate engine.. it lacks the balance and the with my Auto / stall / high str shiftkit and tires as well as the nos Variable controller.. in an Autocross....depending on the set up.. put him on willow springs and he'll get chewed up.. by a modern Ws6..
Were in the Street in actual situation do you find cone.. and i've already addresses the 1/4 mile properly preped.. i can easily nail a 11 flat with out nos.. ( and i use 125 shot on the strip
where as the Auto variable nos controller sequence uses 80-90 shot ramped up in a 2 secent interval starting at 55% total nos.. giving the Automatic the ege coming out of the turns since Murco and i have similar hp Na ..yeah the head job fixed the below 500 hp static,, and the ram air.. true ram air not factory takes care of the rest..
Ift there is always someone faster . tell it to him....my prgramgming/ setup strucural reinformrcement the sparing and advance use of Nos nd a nos controller.. Vict 70 and a synergistic drag/ atuocrss suspesion.. on a car that started lif as a 13 flat car.. i think even a big block 455 puched out wouldn.t give him an advantage
Balanced crank ect ect.. i know what he has i know iit s a crate motor.. .. it just s not superior to the Ws6 in any way.. on any type of race.. ecpecially top end.. his aerodynamics even limit him
in theary i need 480 hp to the wheel to acheice 190 . and i have far more than that.. when the non static hp number are read.. ie.. with ramair effect.. easily another 35-40 at speeds of 120
what ever my point was prop to him crushing some imports.. though i'm not impressed in the least.. maybe when he s/c his set up i'll be and uses some autocross tires.. he no threat on the /4 mil nor the autocross course.. not to me
i'vespent 2/1/2 years carelfulyy planning the ultimate Ws6 one that can do everything well.. including stop..
Spyk
04-03-2003, 06:05 AM
I was accused of not having the car i do..proved proff.. pictures.. even regristrations andduno's on the the Big guns.. but he's have none of that..
Is it relly so hard.. the LS1..you hshould read about its design
he through some demensional numbers CC and such that were barely above a " bone srtock Ls11 meaning the Ls1 would in fact reponde better or at least similarly to appropiate mods..
For instance i have a neigbor with a puched out 455 .. it a 486 crate prducing 600 hp.. i killed him 0-120 and he had the lastestand greatest.. ..
the Iroc clone i'm sure is awesome.. just keep it in its class.. . you wanna go at it in a coned parking lot my Zr1 will shredd you even thoguh it has considerably less hp 9about 100hp).. its a far better handler.. and you can't use you hp as an advantage
Stick to wimpy ass Supra.. and importts leave thee last real muscle cars alone
I beleive Murco is the type that thinks old big hp carswere faster in the 60's..they weren't for an few exception.... Most couldn't break out of 13's and the 12 were all high 12 .Just. like the 99 vette 12.89( pop Mechanincs Feb Issue
I'm sure you didn't do a computerized weight trasnsfer sym front to back and side to side on you RS ..i did on my Ws6.. and adjusted suspesion aaccordingly
Oh and Murco maybe you like to try the Lincoln Ls V8 with 300hpand a 50/50 weigh distirbution.. knowing the merc manager and it being a demo.. it close to the the price of you VW and will kill it in handling and accelration.. knowhow that forpicking on a 2.5 sentra. at 370lbs you should n't worry.. but you should it outslaloms and out g'syou gl1 and has 2x the luxury doing so
Is it relly so hard.. the LS1..you hshould read about its design
he through some demensional numbers CC and such that were barely above a " bone srtock Ls11 meaning the Ls1 would in fact reponde better or at least similarly to appropiate mods..
For instance i have a neigbor with a puched out 455 .. it a 486 crate prducing 600 hp.. i killed him 0-120 and he had the lastestand greatest.. ..
the Iroc clone i'm sure is awesome.. just keep it in its class.. . you wanna go at it in a coned parking lot my Zr1 will shredd you even thoguh it has considerably less hp 9about 100hp).. its a far better handler.. and you can't use you hp as an advantage
Stick to wimpy ass Supra.. and importts leave thee last real muscle cars alone
I beleive Murco is the type that thinks old big hp carswere faster in the 60's..they weren't for an few exception.... Most couldn't break out of 13's and the 12 were all high 12 .Just. like the 99 vette 12.89( pop Mechanincs Feb Issue
I'm sure you didn't do a computerized weight trasnsfer sym front to back and side to side on you RS ..i did on my Ws6.. and adjusted suspesion aaccordingly
Oh and Murco maybe you like to try the Lincoln Ls V8 with 300hpand a 50/50 weigh distirbution.. knowing the merc manager and it being a demo.. it close to the the price of you VW and will kill it in handling and accelration.. knowhow that forpicking on a 2.5 sentra. at 370lbs you should n't worry.. but you should it outslaloms and out g'syou gl1 and has 2x the luxury doing so
Self
04-03-2003, 10:51 AM
Soooooooo yea....to answer my question...You say you were running a low 11 second quarter mile with stock heads and no nitrous? What were your mods then exactly???
hybridsol
04-03-2003, 12:44 PM
Originally posted by Self
Soooooooo yea....to answer my question...You say you were running a low 11 second quarter mile with stock heads and no nitrous? What were your mods then exactly???
I am curious as well? Also where are you located, are you close to either one of us? (self or I)
PS- self this could be your chance to check out the pros and cons of a WS6. :D
Soooooooo yea....to answer my question...You say you were running a low 11 second quarter mile with stock heads and no nitrous? What were your mods then exactly???
I am curious as well? Also where are you located, are you close to either one of us? (self or I)
PS- self this could be your chance to check out the pros and cons of a WS6. :D
Cbass
04-03-2003, 12:57 PM
On the road course, the live axle is king! :hehehe:
Keep in mind Spyk, an import like an RX7 with a built smallblock will be much faster, and much better handling than a domestic with the same engine.
My point? Get a nice little sports car, and put your 500hp LS1 in that :D
Keep in mind Spyk, an import like an RX7 with a built smallblock will be much faster, and much better handling than a domestic with the same engine.
My point? Get a nice little sports car, and put your 500hp LS1 in that :D
DeViL
04-03-2003, 02:24 PM
On the road course, the live axle is king!
Yeah maybe when Cobras and Stingrays were around, why exactly do you want to autocross in a Firebird you should of bought a Corvette for that.
Yeah maybe when Cobras and Stingrays were around, why exactly do you want to autocross in a Firebird you should of bought a Corvette for that.
-The Stig-
04-03-2003, 06:35 PM
Well, thats all fine and dandy that you've spent the last 2.5 years building your WS6. but Murco has had 14 years to build his car up.
I'm sure in that span he's been able to make it into a fairly competitive vehicle.
May we see a mod list for your WS6? I know that the LS1 is a great motor, I love it. It blurs the fine line between OHV and OHC designed motors, because its so advanced.
One day though, a technologically inferior car will hand you your posterior. :D
I just hope its somebody with some block shaped muscle car with a carbuerated motor. With 6 different colors of primer and 4 doors.
I'm sure in that span he's been able to make it into a fairly competitive vehicle.
May we see a mod list for your WS6? I know that the LS1 is a great motor, I love it. It blurs the fine line between OHV and OHC designed motors, because its so advanced.
One day though, a technologically inferior car will hand you your posterior. :D
I just hope its somebody with some block shaped muscle car with a carbuerated motor. With 6 different colors of primer and 4 doors.
Spyk
04-03-2003, 07:32 PM
wellalotof /.. an Ws6 is a Aut cros car ligerfelf made a mile of Amrican out out one and it palced very high.... i'll give you a bit of propps.. in a morewinding course the s6 is not in its ellement ..t hough its handling .. sorry to say live axle or not.. still with my suspensionalmods aproachehes 1g and slaloms better than a Z06..
it was alwaswayxcammedwith an imprved valvetrain making 6800 redlines not a prblem.. the spyder intake manifold a amtch ported anf the slp long tubes alowwed the stock heads to flow much better than you cpoould imagine.. and at a weigh redus=ced weigth back seat dekllets.. steroe ( aftermarket delete 0 battery in trunk to ruduce polar movement.. lovewer certer of gravity,, and 315 53 17 it is an Auto cross monster.. not that it cant be beat,, but considering all i need to do it change rear tires and turn low low 11.00 full font interior.. and the possible use of a variable Nos system.. that they timedon't reflect.. its an awsomely built car .. i could car less what Murco did in 14 years the technology is now... did he have Ls1 edit ! for a programer
His car is a great 3 rd gen high hp car.. nothing more .. with my newly found hp in the heads he stand no chance.. and even before he didn't on the 1/4 mile and on the road course.. let me remend you that lingenfelt ued a Ws6 for the Mile of America.. and no Jap or vette took above its 4th place finish..
One think perplexes me a car doesn't win races ..a car a drivers synergy does.. Rx7, awd and the such have fallen in auto cross to a balance prepeped sispension and moeethan adequete hp..
Some on asked me of my mods..be fore th head work.. it really didn't need headwork to be a bad ass Autocross car.. this Ws6 even had and sealed undercaraige.. .. iwas just waitng for the technology to catch up yto my palns..the 2 1/2years.. of high tech cad design pales in comparion to 14 years of antiquated dreams
Does Murco havea bad as 3 rg gen Iroc clon.. yes .. but i have an ultimate Ls1 Ws6 ( non clone)4th gen that embodies the w=very essence of Gm technology.. live axle or not.. and on smoth surfaces a live axle has no real disadvantage.. ..look it up funny how it slalom with car similar in hp and beats them.. do check if the slalm is a 700 ft or 600 ft as the Ws6 are tested
Lastedly what car do you know of that come out of the box turning 13 flat9 Pontiac performance mag fully loaded in Automatic.. without a turbo.. s/c or nitrous.. none.. turning a 11 flat is easy the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
and lets not forget fit and d=finshs ..paint and body pael fit all excellent.. what import can touch this car for its price.. in an overall revieve..hell a tempsensitive cobra 03 S/c hasa hard time matching performance and muscular look
email me if you want a complete list of mods it will boggle your mind eveysubsystem has been raised to above Z06 standards
it was alwaswayxcammedwith an imprved valvetrain making 6800 redlines not a prblem.. the spyder intake manifold a amtch ported anf the slp long tubes alowwed the stock heads to flow much better than you cpoould imagine.. and at a weigh redus=ced weigth back seat dekllets.. steroe ( aftermarket delete 0 battery in trunk to ruduce polar movement.. lovewer certer of gravity,, and 315 53 17 it is an Auto cross monster.. not that it cant be beat,, but considering all i need to do it change rear tires and turn low low 11.00 full font interior.. and the possible use of a variable Nos system.. that they timedon't reflect.. its an awsomely built car .. i could car less what Murco did in 14 years the technology is now... did he have Ls1 edit ! for a programer
His car is a great 3 rd gen high hp car.. nothing more .. with my newly found hp in the heads he stand no chance.. and even before he didn't on the 1/4 mile and on the road course.. let me remend you that lingenfelt ued a Ws6 for the Mile of America.. and no Jap or vette took above its 4th place finish..
One think perplexes me a car doesn't win races ..a car a drivers synergy does.. Rx7, awd and the such have fallen in auto cross to a balance prepeped sispension and moeethan adequete hp..
Some on asked me of my mods..be fore th head work.. it really didn't need headwork to be a bad ass Autocross car.. this Ws6 even had and sealed undercaraige.. .. iwas just waitng for the technology to catch up yto my palns..the 2 1/2years.. of high tech cad design pales in comparion to 14 years of antiquated dreams
Does Murco havea bad as 3 rg gen Iroc clon.. yes .. but i have an ultimate Ls1 Ws6 ( non clone)4th gen that embodies the w=very essence of Gm technology.. live axle or not.. and on smoth surfaces a live axle has no real disadvantage.. ..look it up funny how it slalom with car similar in hp and beats them.. do check if the slalm is a 700 ft or 600 ft as the Ws6 are tested
Lastedly what car do you know of that come out of the box turning 13 flat9 Pontiac performance mag fully loaded in Automatic.. without a turbo.. s/c or nitrous.. none.. turning a 11 flat is easy the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
and lets not forget fit and d=finshs ..paint and body pael fit all excellent.. what import can touch this car for its price.. in an overall revieve..hell a tempsensitive cobra 03 S/c hasa hard time matching performance and muscular look
email me if you want a complete list of mods it will boggle your mind eveysubsystem has been raised to above Z06 standards
fatninja19
04-03-2003, 08:36 PM
Originally posted by Spyk
wellalotof /.. an Ws6 is a Aut cros car ligerfelf made a mile of Amrican out out one and it palced very high.... i'll give you a bit of propps.. in a morewinding course the s6 is not in its ellement ..t hough its handling .. sorry to say live axle or not.. still with my suspensionalmods aproachehes 1g and slaloms better than a Z06..
it was alwaswayxcammedwith an imprved valvetrain making 6800 redlines not a prblem.. the spyder intake manifold a amtch ported anf the slp long tubes alowwed the stock heads to flow much better than you cpoould imagine.. and at a weigh redus=ced weigth back seat dekllets.. steroe ( aftermarket delete 0 battery in trunk to ruduce polar movement.. lovewer certer of gravity,, and 315 53 17 it is an Auto cross monster.. not that it cant be beat,, but considering all i need to do it change rear tires and turn low low 11.00 full font interior.. and the possible use of a variable Nos system.. that they timedon't reflect.. its an awsomely built car .. i could car less what Murco did in 14 years the technology is now... did he have Ls1 edit ! for a programer
His car is a great 3 rd gen high hp car.. nothing more .. with my newly found hp in the heads he stand no chance.. and even before he didn't on the 1/4 mile and on the road course.. let me remend you that lingenfelt ued a Ws6 for the Mile of America.. and no Jap or vette took above its 4th place finish..
One think perplexes me a car doesn't win races ..a car a drivers synergy does.. Rx7, awd and the such have fallen in auto cross to a balance prepeped sispension and moeethan adequete hp..
Some on asked me of my mods..be fore th head work.. it really didn't need headwork to be a bad ass Autocross car.. this Ws6 even had and sealed undercaraige.. .. iwas just waitng for the technology to catch up yto my palns..the 2 1/2years.. of high tech cad design pales in comparion to 14 years of antiquated dreams
Does Murco havea bad as 3 rg gen Iroc clon.. yes .. but i have an ultimate Ls1 Ws6 ( non clone)4th gen that embodies the w=very essence of Gm technology.. live axle or not.. and on smoth surfaces a live axle has no real disadvantage.. ..look it up funny how it slalom with car similar in hp and beats them.. do check if the slalm is a 700 ft or 600 ft as the Ws6 are tested
Lastedly what car do you know of that come out of the box turning 13 flat9 Pontiac performance mag fully loaded in Automatic.. without a turbo.. s/c or nitrous.. none.. turning a 11 flat is easy the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
and lets not forget fit and d=finshs ..paint and body pael fit all excellent.. what import can touch this car for its price.. in an overall revieve..hell a tempsensitive cobra 03 S/c hasa hard time matching performance and muscular look
email me if you want a complete list of mods it will boggle your mind eveysubsystem has been raised to above Z06 standards
Dang.. perhaps I'm stupid.. but I'm a bit confused by all those words..
wellalotof /.. an Ws6 is a Aut cros car ligerfelf made a mile of Amrican out out one and it palced very high.... i'll give you a bit of propps.. in a morewinding course the s6 is not in its ellement ..t hough its handling .. sorry to say live axle or not.. still with my suspensionalmods aproachehes 1g and slaloms better than a Z06..
it was alwaswayxcammedwith an imprved valvetrain making 6800 redlines not a prblem.. the spyder intake manifold a amtch ported anf the slp long tubes alowwed the stock heads to flow much better than you cpoould imagine.. and at a weigh redus=ced weigth back seat dekllets.. steroe ( aftermarket delete 0 battery in trunk to ruduce polar movement.. lovewer certer of gravity,, and 315 53 17 it is an Auto cross monster.. not that it cant be beat,, but considering all i need to do it change rear tires and turn low low 11.00 full font interior.. and the possible use of a variable Nos system.. that they timedon't reflect.. its an awsomely built car .. i could car less what Murco did in 14 years the technology is now... did he have Ls1 edit ! for a programer
His car is a great 3 rd gen high hp car.. nothing more .. with my newly found hp in the heads he stand no chance.. and even before he didn't on the 1/4 mile and on the road course.. let me remend you that lingenfelt ued a Ws6 for the Mile of America.. and no Jap or vette took above its 4th place finish..
One think perplexes me a car doesn't win races ..a car a drivers synergy does.. Rx7, awd and the such have fallen in auto cross to a balance prepeped sispension and moeethan adequete hp..
Some on asked me of my mods..be fore th head work.. it really didn't need headwork to be a bad ass Autocross car.. this Ws6 even had and sealed undercaraige.. .. iwas just waitng for the technology to catch up yto my palns..the 2 1/2years.. of high tech cad design pales in comparion to 14 years of antiquated dreams
Does Murco havea bad as 3 rg gen Iroc clon.. yes .. but i have an ultimate Ls1 Ws6 ( non clone)4th gen that embodies the w=very essence of Gm technology.. live axle or not.. and on smoth surfaces a live axle has no real disadvantage.. ..look it up funny how it slalom with car similar in hp and beats them.. do check if the slalm is a 700 ft or 600 ft as the Ws6 are tested
Lastedly what car do you know of that come out of the box turning 13 flat9 Pontiac performance mag fully loaded in Automatic.. without a turbo.. s/c or nitrous.. none.. turning a 11 flat is easy the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
and lets not forget fit and d=finshs ..paint and body pael fit all excellent.. what import can touch this car for its price.. in an overall revieve..hell a tempsensitive cobra 03 S/c hasa hard time matching performance and muscular look
email me if you want a complete list of mods it will boggle your mind eveysubsystem has been raised to above Z06 standards
Dang.. perhaps I'm stupid.. but I'm a bit confused by all those words..
tomlong
04-03-2003, 09:05 PM
Spyk,
I think you spend too much time talking about your dream cars and mods instead of learning how to spell and write. Do you live on the East Coast I would like to check them out.
I think you spend too much time talking about your dream cars and mods instead of learning how to spell and write. Do you live on the East Coast I would like to check them out.
DeViL
04-03-2003, 09:52 PM
ENGLISH MOTHER FUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT?
Why exactly is your car an automatic? I thought you get a better feel for the car with a manual in autocrossing?
Why exactly is your car an automatic? I thought you get a better feel for the car with a manual in autocrossing?
-The Stig-
04-03-2003, 10:06 PM
Originally posted by DeViL
ENGLISH MOTHER FUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT?
Priceless:hehehe::silly2::hehehe:
ENGLISH MOTHER FUCKER DO YOU SPEAK IT?
Priceless:hehehe::silly2::hehehe:
hybridsol
04-03-2003, 11:43 PM
I think I'm being ignored b/c I have a honda. This is discrimination......;)
KrNxRaCer00
04-04-2003, 12:03 AM
Originally posted by Spyk
wellalotof /.. an Ws6 is a Aut cros car ligerfelf made a mile of Amrican out out one and it palced very high.... i'll give you a bit of propps.. in a morewinding course the s6 is not in its ellement ..t hough its handling .. sorry to say live axle or not.. still with my suspensionalmods aproachehes 1g and slaloms better than a Z06..
it was alwaswayxcammedwith an imprved valvetrain making 6800 redlines not a prblem.. the spyder intake manifold a amtch ported anf the slp long tubes alowwed the stock heads to flow much better than you cpoould imagine.. and at a weigh redus=ced weigth back seat dekllets.. steroe ( aftermarket delete 0 battery in trunk to ruduce polar movement.. lovewer certer of gravity,, and 315 53 17 it is an Auto cross monster.. not that it cant be beat,, but considering all i need to do it change rear tires and turn low low 11.00 full font interior.. and the possible use of a variable Nos system.. that they timedon't reflect.. its an awsomely built car .. i could car less what Murco did in 14 years the technology is now... did he have Ls1 edit ! for a programer
His car is a great 3 rd gen high hp car.. nothing more .. with my newly found hp in the heads he stand no chance.. and even before he didn't on the 1/4 mile and on the road course.. let me remend you that lingenfelt ued a Ws6 for the Mile of America.. and no Jap or vette took above its 4th place finish..
One think perplexes me a car doesn't win races ..a car a drivers synergy does.. Rx7, awd and the such have fallen in auto cross to a balance prepeped sispension and moeethan adequete hp..
Some on asked me of my mods..be fore th head work.. it really didn't need headwork to be a bad ass Autocross car.. this Ws6 even had and sealed undercaraige.. .. iwas just waitng for the technology to catch up yto my palns..the 2 1/2years.. of high tech cad design pales in comparion to 14 years of antiquated dreams
Does Murco havea bad as 3 rg gen Iroc clon.. yes .. but i have an ultimate Ls1 Ws6 ( non clone)4th gen that embodies the w=very essence of Gm technology.. live axle or not.. and on smoth surfaces a live axle has no real disadvantage.. ..look it up funny how it slalom with car similar in hp and beats them.. do check if the slalm is a 700 ft or 600 ft as the Ws6 are tested
Lastedly what car do you know of that come out of the box turning 13 flat9 Pontiac performance mag fully loaded in Automatic.. without a turbo.. s/c or nitrous.. none.. turning a 11 flat is easy the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
and lets not forget fit and d=finshs ..paint and body pael fit all excellent.. what import can touch this car for its price.. in an overall revieve..hell a tempsensitive cobra 03 S/c hasa hard time matching performance and muscular look
email me if you want a complete list of mods it will boggle your mind eveysubsystem has been raised to above Z06 standards
:huh:
wellalotof /.. an Ws6 is a Aut cros car ligerfelf made a mile of Amrican out out one and it palced very high.... i'll give you a bit of propps.. in a morewinding course the s6 is not in its ellement ..t hough its handling .. sorry to say live axle or not.. still with my suspensionalmods aproachehes 1g and slaloms better than a Z06..
it was alwaswayxcammedwith an imprved valvetrain making 6800 redlines not a prblem.. the spyder intake manifold a amtch ported anf the slp long tubes alowwed the stock heads to flow much better than you cpoould imagine.. and at a weigh redus=ced weigth back seat dekllets.. steroe ( aftermarket delete 0 battery in trunk to ruduce polar movement.. lovewer certer of gravity,, and 315 53 17 it is an Auto cross monster.. not that it cant be beat,, but considering all i need to do it change rear tires and turn low low 11.00 full font interior.. and the possible use of a variable Nos system.. that they timedon't reflect.. its an awsomely built car .. i could car less what Murco did in 14 years the technology is now... did he have Ls1 edit ! for a programer
His car is a great 3 rd gen high hp car.. nothing more .. with my newly found hp in the heads he stand no chance.. and even before he didn't on the 1/4 mile and on the road course.. let me remend you that lingenfelt ued a Ws6 for the Mile of America.. and no Jap or vette took above its 4th place finish..
One think perplexes me a car doesn't win races ..a car a drivers synergy does.. Rx7, awd and the such have fallen in auto cross to a balance prepeped sispension and moeethan adequete hp..
Some on asked me of my mods..be fore th head work.. it really didn't need headwork to be a bad ass Autocross car.. this Ws6 even had and sealed undercaraige.. .. iwas just waitng for the technology to catch up yto my palns..the 2 1/2years.. of high tech cad design pales in comparion to 14 years of antiquated dreams
Does Murco havea bad as 3 rg gen Iroc clon.. yes .. but i have an ultimate Ls1 Ws6 ( non clone)4th gen that embodies the w=very essence of Gm technology.. live axle or not.. and on smoth surfaces a live axle has no real disadvantage.. ..look it up funny how it slalom with car similar in hp and beats them.. do check if the slalm is a 700 ft or 600 ft as the Ws6 are tested
Lastedly what car do you know of that come out of the box turning 13 flat9 Pontiac performance mag fully loaded in Automatic.. without a turbo.. s/c or nitrous.. none.. turning a 11 flat is easy the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
and lets not forget fit and d=finshs ..paint and body pael fit all excellent.. what import can touch this car for its price.. in an overall revieve..hell a tempsensitive cobra 03 S/c hasa hard time matching performance and muscular look
email me if you want a complete list of mods it will boggle your mind eveysubsystem has been raised to above Z06 standards
:huh:
Neutrino
04-04-2003, 12:15 AM
Originally posted by hybridsol
I think I'm being ignored b/c I have a honda. This is discrimination......;)
well yeah since most of us now have low 7's cars your 10 sec honda is no mach;) :D :p
I think I'm being ignored b/c I have a honda. This is discrimination......;)
well yeah since most of us now have low 7's cars your 10 sec honda is no mach;) :D :p
Cbass
04-04-2003, 12:23 AM
Originally posted by DeViL
Yeah maybe when Cobras and Stingrays were around, why exactly do you want to autocross in a Firebird you should of bought a Corvette for that.
Ironically, both the Cobra and the Stingray had independent rear suspension :p
For an autoX car, I'd rather have something light and nimble, with good brakes... Like a Porsche :D
Yeah maybe when Cobras and Stingrays were around, why exactly do you want to autocross in a Firebird you should of bought a Corvette for that.
Ironically, both the Cobra and the Stingray had independent rear suspension :p
For an autoX car, I'd rather have something light and nimble, with good brakes... Like a Porsche :D
tomlong
04-04-2003, 12:30 AM
I would have to go with the Porsche as well. GT2 anybody!
-The Stig-
04-04-2003, 12:48 AM
Originally posted by Spyk
the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
This is why somepeople take time to do a quick spell check...
Cause a simple slip of the key's turns into a very halarious mistake... :silly2:
the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
This is why somepeople take time to do a quick spell check...
Cause a simple slip of the key's turns into a very halarious mistake... :silly2:
Neutrino
04-04-2003, 01:44 AM
good catch redneck
Self
04-04-2003, 03:18 AM
Originally posted by Spyk
wellalotof /.. an Ws6 is a Aut cros car ligerfelf made a mile of Amrican out out one and it palced very high.... i'll give you a bit of propps.. in a morewinding course the s6 is not in its ellement ..t hough its handling .. sorry to say live axle or not.. still with my suspensionalmods aproachehes 1g and slaloms better than a Z06..
it was alwaswayxcammedwith an imprved valvetrain making 6800 redlines not a prblem.. the spyder intake manifold a amtch ported anf the slp long tubes alowwed the stock heads to flow much better than you cpoould imagine.. and at a weigh redus=ced weigth back seat dekllets.. steroe ( aftermarket delete 0 battery in trunk to ruduce polar movement.. lovewer certer of gravity,, and 315 53 17 it is an Auto cross monster.. not that it cant be beat,, but considering all i need to do it change rear tires and turn low low 11.00 full font interior.. and the possible use of a variable Nos system.. that they timedon't reflect.. its an awsomely built car .. i could car less what Murco did in 14 years the technology is now... did he have Ls1 edit ! for a programer
His car is a great 3 rd gen high hp car.. nothing more .. with my newly found hp in the heads he stand no chance.. and even before he didn't on the 1/4 mile and on the road course.. let me remend you that lingenfelt ued a Ws6 for the Mile of America.. and no Jap or vette took above its 4th place finish..
One think perplexes me a car doesn't win races ..a car a drivers synergy does.. Rx7, awd and the such have fallen in auto cross to a balance prepeped sispension and moeethan adequete hp..
Some on asked me of my mods..be fore th head work.. it really didn't need headwork to be a bad ass Autocross car.. this Ws6 even had and sealed undercaraige.. .. iwas just waitng for the technology to catch up yto my palns..the 2 1/2years.. of high tech cad design pales in comparion to 14 years of antiquated dreams
Does Murco havea bad as 3 rg gen Iroc clon.. yes .. but i have an ultimate Ls1 Ws6 ( non clone)4th gen that embodies the w=very essence of Gm technology.. live axle or not.. and on smoth surfaces a live axle has no real disadvantage.. ..look it up funny how it slalom with car similar in hp and beats them.. do check if the slalm is a 700 ft or 600 ft as the Ws6 are tested
Lastedly what car do you know of that come out of the box turning 13 flat9 Pontiac performance mag fully loaded in Automatic.. without a turbo.. s/c or nitrous.. none.. turning a 11 flat is easy the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
and lets not forget fit and d=finshs ..paint and body pael fit all excellent.. what import can touch this car for its price.. in an overall revieve..hell a tempsensitive cobra 03 S/c hasa hard time matching performance and muscular look
email me if you want a complete list of mods it will boggle your mind eveysubsystem has been raised to above Z06 standards
Didn't really understand that, Officer, but all I want to know is...
What was your mile per hour on the 11 second pass? I find this VERY hard to believe on an NA motor with STOCK heads...:(
wellalotof /.. an Ws6 is a Aut cros car ligerfelf made a mile of Amrican out out one and it palced very high.... i'll give you a bit of propps.. in a morewinding course the s6 is not in its ellement ..t hough its handling .. sorry to say live axle or not.. still with my suspensionalmods aproachehes 1g and slaloms better than a Z06..
it was alwaswayxcammedwith an imprved valvetrain making 6800 redlines not a prblem.. the spyder intake manifold a amtch ported anf the slp long tubes alowwed the stock heads to flow much better than you cpoould imagine.. and at a weigh redus=ced weigth back seat dekllets.. steroe ( aftermarket delete 0 battery in trunk to ruduce polar movement.. lovewer certer of gravity,, and 315 53 17 it is an Auto cross monster.. not that it cant be beat,, but considering all i need to do it change rear tires and turn low low 11.00 full font interior.. and the possible use of a variable Nos system.. that they timedon't reflect.. its an awsomely built car .. i could car less what Murco did in 14 years the technology is now... did he have Ls1 edit ! for a programer
His car is a great 3 rd gen high hp car.. nothing more .. with my newly found hp in the heads he stand no chance.. and even before he didn't on the 1/4 mile and on the road course.. let me remend you that lingenfelt ued a Ws6 for the Mile of America.. and no Jap or vette took above its 4th place finish..
One think perplexes me a car doesn't win races ..a car a drivers synergy does.. Rx7, awd and the such have fallen in auto cross to a balance prepeped sispension and moeethan adequete hp..
Some on asked me of my mods..be fore th head work.. it really didn't need headwork to be a bad ass Autocross car.. this Ws6 even had and sealed undercaraige.. .. iwas just waitng for the technology to catch up yto my palns..the 2 1/2years.. of high tech cad design pales in comparion to 14 years of antiquated dreams
Does Murco havea bad as 3 rg gen Iroc clon.. yes .. but i have an ultimate Ls1 Ws6 ( non clone)4th gen that embodies the w=very essence of Gm technology.. live axle or not.. and on smoth surfaces a live axle has no real disadvantage.. ..look it up funny how it slalom with car similar in hp and beats them.. do check if the slalm is a 700 ft or 600 ft as the Ws6 are tested
Lastedly what car do you know of that come out of the box turning 13 flat9 Pontiac performance mag fully loaded in Automatic.. without a turbo.. s/c or nitrous.. none.. turning a 11 flat is easy the 1 seonds alone can be atributed to a properly matched tranny shitkit /Tc/ str/ gears and tire with apropriate hp does that alone..
and lets not forget fit and d=finshs ..paint and body pael fit all excellent.. what import can touch this car for its price.. in an overall revieve..hell a tempsensitive cobra 03 S/c hasa hard time matching performance and muscular look
email me if you want a complete list of mods it will boggle your mind eveysubsystem has been raised to above Z06 standards
Didn't really understand that, Officer, but all I want to know is...
What was your mile per hour on the 11 second pass? I find this VERY hard to believe on an NA motor with STOCK heads...:(
Murco
04-10-2003, 05:03 PM
Originally posted by Self
Didn't really understand that, Officer, but all I want to know is...
What was your mile per hour on the 11 second pass? I find this VERY hard to believe on an NA motor with STOCK heads...:(
I've left Spyk to hang himself here... Officer my arse!! He is supposed to live in Boca Raton, Florida. When he offered to race me I gave him my full name and address in Sarasota. He won't give his out because he is a "cop" and he has to maintain "security!" We won't go into the CIA bit he gave me...
:bloated:
I know, I'm very dangerous to policemen...:rolleyes:
Didn't really understand that, Officer, but all I want to know is...
What was your mile per hour on the 11 second pass? I find this VERY hard to believe on an NA motor with STOCK heads...:(
I've left Spyk to hang himself here... Officer my arse!! He is supposed to live in Boca Raton, Florida. When he offered to race me I gave him my full name and address in Sarasota. He won't give his out because he is a "cop" and he has to maintain "security!" We won't go into the CIA bit he gave me...
:bloated:
I know, I'm very dangerous to policemen...:rolleyes:
hybridsol
04-10-2003, 05:21 PM
Originally posted by Neutrino
well yeah since most of us now have low 7's cars your 10 sec honda is no mach;) :D :p
oh well..... back to the drawling board......:( :D
well yeah since most of us now have low 7's cars your 10 sec honda is no mach;) :D :p
oh well..... back to the drawling board......:( :D
pimpclipse
04-11-2003, 12:08 AM
I dont know why u guys keep bringin up the eclipse. Its a great beautiful car but when it come to reliability its close to the bottom of the barrel, and its very expensive to repair. I know because i have one (dont drive it but i got it, awd). Mitsu didnt even try. WRX will proly have same prob but i still love my eclipse.
NSX-R-SSJ20K
04-11-2003, 03:16 AM
Originally posted by pimpclipse
I dont know why u guys keep bringin up the eclipse. Its a great beautiful car but when it come to reliability its close to the bottom of the barrel, and its very expensive to repair. I know because i have one (dont drive it but i got it, awd). Mitsu didnt even try. WRX will proly have same prob but i still love my eclipse.
Subarus have been voted the Most reliable cars in britain according to the JD power survey. They're reliable enough
I dont know why u guys keep bringin up the eclipse. Its a great beautiful car but when it come to reliability its close to the bottom of the barrel, and its very expensive to repair. I know because i have one (dont drive it but i got it, awd). Mitsu didnt even try. WRX will proly have same prob but i still love my eclipse.
Subarus have been voted the Most reliable cars in britain according to the JD power survey. They're reliable enough
Murco
04-11-2003, 08:23 PM
Originally posted by pimpclipse
I dont know why u guys keep bringin up the eclipse. Its a great beautiful car but when it come to reliability its close to the bottom of the barrel, and its very expensive to repair. I know because i have one (dont drive it but i got it, awd). Mitsu didnt even try. WRX will proly have same prob but i still love my eclipse.
A friend asked me to help him replace the fuel filter on his 95 Eclipse turbo last weekend, he's no friend of mine now!! What the hell was Mitsu thinkin'?!?!
I dont know why u guys keep bringin up the eclipse. Its a great beautiful car but when it come to reliability its close to the bottom of the barrel, and its very expensive to repair. I know because i have one (dont drive it but i got it, awd). Mitsu didnt even try. WRX will proly have same prob but i still love my eclipse.
A friend asked me to help him replace the fuel filter on his 95 Eclipse turbo last weekend, he's no friend of mine now!! What the hell was Mitsu thinkin'?!?!
Neutrino
04-12-2003, 04:40 AM
Originally posted by hybridsol
oh well..... back to the drawling board......:( :D
you better cuz otrherwise you will be an outcast;) :D
oh well..... back to the drawling board......:( :D
you better cuz otrherwise you will be an outcast;) :D
vettemaan
04-17-2003, 10:05 AM
DeViL
04-17-2003, 10:27 AM
No wonder why those cars are so fast, look at all the stickers!!! He's running like 50 stickers on that car, is that even legal?
Neutrino
04-17-2003, 11:42 AM
Originally posted by DeViL
No wonder why those cars are so fast, look at all the stickers!!! He's running like 50 stickers on that car, is that even legal?
what are you talking about? look at that car is obviously mostly stock. Probably daily driver too.
No wonder why those cars are so fast, look at all the stickers!!! He's running like 50 stickers on that car, is that even legal?
what are you talking about? look at that car is obviously mostly stock. Probably daily driver too.
DeViL
04-17-2003, 12:21 PM
Yeah probably. In any case if he was really a hardcore tuner he would put some speed holes in it. It doesn't get any better then that.
NSX-R-SSJ20K
04-17-2003, 04:39 PM
the civic would win in the corners :o
integra818
04-17-2003, 04:46 PM
You guys need to shut the fuck up about ricers and imports... I DRIVE AN IMPORT, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT????? Just cause some ricer reved at you at some stop-light, does'nt mean you gotta start talkin shit about how civics suck. If you drive a domestic, do you really gve a shit what someone else drives???
You pick the car you like and drive it and ignore what someone else drives. All you hear is "imports suck", so what?? is there a stick up your ass with "import" written on it????
You pick the car you like and drive it and ignore what someone else drives. All you hear is "imports suck", so what?? is there a stick up your ass with "import" written on it????
hybridsol
04-17-2003, 05:34 PM
Originally posted by integra818
You guys need to shut the fuck up about ricers and imports... I DRIVE AN IMPORT, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT????? Just cause some ricer reved at you at some stop-light, does'nt mean you gotta start talkin shit about how civics suck. If you drive a domestic, do you really gve a shit what someone else drives???
You pick the car you like and drive it and ignore what someone else drives. All you hear is "imports suck", so what?? is there a stick up your ass with "import" written on it????
calm down my b18 brother, no one's disrespecting imports. (No one that I see at least) :confused: everyone is entitled to there opinion and lots of ppl like domestic muscle. I think I speak for most ppl in this thread, when I say that they would not look down upon a fast import/ civic. :)
You guys need to shut the fuck up about ricers and imports... I DRIVE AN IMPORT, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT????? Just cause some ricer reved at you at some stop-light, does'nt mean you gotta start talkin shit about how civics suck. If you drive a domestic, do you really gve a shit what someone else drives???
You pick the car you like and drive it and ignore what someone else drives. All you hear is "imports suck", so what?? is there a stick up your ass with "import" written on it????
calm down my b18 brother, no one's disrespecting imports. (No one that I see at least) :confused: everyone is entitled to there opinion and lots of ppl like domestic muscle. I think I speak for most ppl in this thread, when I say that they would not look down upon a fast import/ civic. :)
integra818
04-17-2003, 05:41 PM
I have nothing agianst V8's or muscle cars, it's just different from what I like and I can respect that, bu when old geesers at then track talk about "rice burners" it really gets me ticked off. Makes me think young people have more morals and respect than old people.
NSX-R-SSJ20K
04-17-2003, 05:45 PM
Originally posted by integra818
I have nothing agianst V8's or muscle cars, it's just different from what I like and I can respect that, bu when old geesers at then track talk about "rice burners" it really gets me ticked off. Makes me think young people have more morals and respect than old people.
thats a given
old people can be wise and knowledgable but their views and opinions can still be that of a foregone era they are generally conservative and hard lined ie no one can easily change their opinions.
I have nothing agianst V8's or muscle cars, it's just different from what I like and I can respect that, bu when old geesers at then track talk about "rice burners" it really gets me ticked off. Makes me think young people have more morals and respect than old people.
thats a given
old people can be wise and knowledgable but their views and opinions can still be that of a foregone era they are generally conservative and hard lined ie no one can easily change their opinions.
DeViL
04-17-2003, 06:44 PM
I DRIVE AN IMPORT, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT?????
Well I dunno I was considering cutting you up and leaving you to sleep with the fishes inside a trash bag. :p
Well I dunno I was considering cutting you up and leaving you to sleep with the fishes inside a trash bag. :p
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