DOMESTIC vs IMPORT?

Originally posted by integra818
You guys need to shut the fuck up about ricers and imports... I DRIVE AN IMPORT, WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU GONNA DO ABOUT IT????? Just cause some ricer reved at you at some stop-light, does'nt mean you gotta start talkin shit about how civics suck. If you drive a domestic, do you really gve a shit what someone else drives???

You pick the car you like and drive it and ignore what someone else drives. All you hear is "imports suck", so what?? is there a stick up your ass with "import" written on it????


Its called Prozak... Calm down buddy... Before you blow a head gasket and spew your coolant all over the board... Not to mention it would hurt like a SOB!

Originally posted by DeViL


Well I dunno I was considering cutting you up and leaving you to sleep with the fishes inside a trash bag. :p

You have to catch me first, I'll be in front of you burning rice

Integra u sound like u have a stick in ur ass. Some cars come from factory superior tha most which effects the way u mod ur car. Some people say imports suck because its a competitive attitude and u can only take seein stock hondas with wings and exuast thinkin they are the shit racin whatever. I say honda sucks ass but i would drive a prelude or integra. Yeah honda is gay...But built superior than most. Muscle cars are unbeatable unless u bring in and f1 or some shit but dont be stupid...

Originally posted by pimpclipse
Integra u sound like u have a stick in ur ass. Some cars come from factory superior tha most which effects the way u mod ur car. Some people say imports suck because its a competitive attitude and u can only take seein stock hondas with wings and exuast thinkin they are the shit racin whatever. I say honda sucks ass but i would drive a prelude or integra. Yeah honda is gay...But built superior than most. Muscle cars are unbeatable unless u bring in and f1 or some shit but dont be stupid...

Car companies can't be "gay" ... and muscle cars ARE beatable. I ain't beign stupid, I'm just sayin what I wanna say.

You say hondas suck but you would drive a prelude or integra? Who the hell do you think built those two?

I'm not sounding like I have a stick in my ass, don't open your fuckin mouth like that without knowing who you're talkin to.

Holy cow Integra818... tone the language down a bit my friend.

I think you need to follow the advice posted in your very own sig...

" We're not here to fight, we're here to talk about cars or anything related to cars, so don't start sh*t!"

You came in here saying we need to stop bashing Hondas/Ricers. When I dont think we were... If the topic offended you, I'm sorry.

Not all of us domestic guys hate the Imports...

Can't we just get along? :)

Originally posted by RedNeck383
Holy cow Integra818... tone the language down a bit my friend.

I think you need to follow the advice posted in your very own sig...

" We're not here to fight, we're here to talk about cars or anything related to cars, so don't start sh*t!"

You came in here saying we need to stop bashing Hondas/Ricers. When I dont think we were... If the topic offended you, I'm sorry.

Not all of us domestic guys hate the Imports...

Can't we just get along? :)

God, thank you, finally someone who understands.

I did'nt come in here to fight, sorry for goin off like that.

It's all good man, no worries... I live in LA too... I know your frustration of living with asshole drivers and idiots drivers (there is a difference).

We gotta stick together...

BTW your dream car... the Sun International Lotus Elise Type R... Saaweeeet Car. Just needs a V8 :D hahaha just kidding, the ITR motor works wonders for it.



Asshole drivers are the guys who cut you off, and swerve in and out of traffic only to end up 4 car spaces ahead of where they were in stop and go traffic. They are also the guys who randomly hope over into the carpool lane when traveling solo. Basically, they're assholes. Best way to combat these types of drivers is to be alert ready for anything. Most likely suspects are high dollar SUV's and Luxury Sedans with 'rich' looking people. They seem to think cause their rich or because they're a doctor in a hurry or maybe somebody is bleeding/dieing from some infected toe...they can just cut you off. What assholes!

Idiot drivers are the guys who just pay absolutely no attention to whats going on. This can be represented by a female doing her nails while driving on the freeway, or a male checking email on a laptop computer while cruising the highway. They are the ones you see swerving in their own lane... and generally making you nervous. They are hard to predict in their moves cause they aren't sure themselves. Unlike Asshole drivers who know where they want to be in 6 lane changes.

Assholes usually cause the accident with the swerving and random lane changes, the Idiots are the ones usually in the accident cause they weren't paying attention. But don't be fooled... The Idiot can quickly become an Asshole driver if 'awoken' from its own little world and if threatened they might give you a warning which is the Dreaded Glare... Dont be fooled this is only a self defense mechanism they are trying to show they are the dominate driver just stare back and dont look away. You've got to be firm! Or you might get the sign of frustration a single finger. Now dont get upset, this again is only a self defense mechanism that is used if the glare hasnt worked.

If the now aggitated Asshole moves into more aggressive forms of confrontation, like shouting or shows signs of wanting to get physical. It is best to let them think they have won the battle, and when they've settled down. Hunt them down to their place of residence and tie up their family and beat them with a baseball bat. Only way you can teach them.

Sorry for the rant... :D

Nice rant :D

Whre did you get that from? :)

...the scary place I call the back of my mind...

:uhoh:


:jumpie: weeeeee! :jumpie:

i'd like to say nissans are better than hondas :o

I retract that statement cuz i really really like the NSX

wait no i unretract that statement because i think Skylines are cool :D

Lets not forget about the Ultimate Driving Machine. Just because they are not made in Japan does not mean they are not imports.

I don't like ricers, regardless of what car they drive.

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K
i'd like to say nissans are better than hondas :o

I retract that statement cuz i really really like the NSX

wait no i unretract that statement because i think Skylines are cool :D


Nissan ARE better than Hondas, no argument. :)

Originally posted by Polygon
I don't like ricers, regardless of what car they drive.

Ricers or people who drive imports?? Cause there is a difference... (Case in point: My fiance drives a honda civic, i don't consider her a ricer because she knows its a civic and not a sport car, she doesn't try to act like its one...)

No they aren't.

In my opinion ricers are people that modify a car only on the outside while no having any knowledge of the mechanical workings of their car. They put stickers for things they don’t' even have in their car. They do a half assed job with their modes. In most cases their choices have no class and look ugly.

This applies to any brand of car. Ricers don't just drive imports. I have seen this on all types of cars from all different countries. Rice is universal. The term started with imports, but it has made its way all around.

You might have a different opinion on rice, but that is mine and I am sticking to it. I don't dislike car brands, I dislike cars and some of the people that drive them.

Originally posted by integra818



Nissan ARE better than Hondas, no argument. :)
you guys really don't want to go there....

Originally posted by lloyd_nickens


Ricers or people who drive imports?? Cause there is a difference... (Case in point: My fiance drives a honda civic, i don't consider her a ricer because she knows its a civic and not a sport car, she doesn't try to act like its one...)
I have a honda civic, and I consider it a sports car. This would make me a ricer in your opinion?

Originally posted by hybridsol

you guys really don't want to go there....

What are you saying, Honda is better than Nissan? They both have thier advantages, but overal I think Nissan is better than Honda. Don't get me wrong, I really love hondas but you can't argue with the Skyline's 1000+Hp capabilities. For the money, you could probably get a silvia S13 the same speed, if not faster, than an integra. Which is the reason I plan on selling my GSR for a 240sx. :)

I'm not tryin to argue or flame you in any way, I"m just stating my opinion, I have nothing against you.

:hehehe: here we go...personally...u can't argue w/ honda's technology. the way they build motors, the quality of their parts, makes me see honda as superior to nissan. don't get me wrong, i believe nissan makes amazing cars, but overall (line-up vs line-up) i believe honda has the edge. why do u think honda has been the top selling cars in america? (not always, but a lot of years they did).

i don't really think that they were callin u a ricer delsol (cuz everyone on here kno's ur car) i believe they were sayin that the one's w/ stock civics w/ only a lil exhaust tip, thinking they are now heavily mod'd racing machines.

its cheaper to build a quick nissan then a honda? i don't really think that is tru. i think that it could go either way. it really jus depends on which path u want to take. u bring up the 1000+ hp skyline, but its not exactly the most cost-efficient way to go (in the states). for 1/4 of that, u could put a h/b into the same times as that 1000hp skyline in the 1/4.

jus my .02 :D

Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K

old people can be wise and knowledgable but their views and opinions can still be that of a foregone era they are generally conservative and hard lined ie no one can easily change their opinions.
Wow! Now I'm getting flamed! Us "old people" (I'm 37) are pretty hard-lined in our opinions because of EXPERIENCE! When you see situations and results over and over again, you learn what to expect. I have no beef with import drivers, I have a Jetta GLI along with my Camaro. I do take issue with the kids, usually in Hondas, who constantly choose me off in either car. The Jetta is almost understandable but the Camaro has a pretty healthy exaust note at idle so it's obviously not anywhere near stock. I used to "give them a show" every once in a while and they usually enjoyed the hell out of watching me rip-up the road, rear-end wiggling every gear-change and all. Since that silly Fast & Furious movie came out there are far too many punks out there suddenly copping really shotty attitudes and getting a little too aggressive about running them in some ratty little car with a pipe, especially if they have NOSS (I hate that stupid "word").
Honda builds a great car and I almost bought an Accord EX V6 last year. Nissan had me interested in the Altima 3.5, until I drove it. Even Subaru tempted me with the WRX so I'm not anti-Jap-car by any means.

Originally posted by integra818


What are you saying, Honda is better than Nissan? They both have thier advantages, but overal I think Nissan is better than Honda. Don't get me wrong, I really love hondas but you can't argue with the Skyline's 1000+Hp capabilities. For the money, you could probably get a silvia S13 the same speed, if not faster, than an integra. Which is the reason I plan on selling my GSR for a 240sx. :)

I'm not tryin to argue or flame you in any way, I"m just stating my opinion, I have nothing against you.


http://www.dryhopp.com/dryhopp/k-spec_world/machine.html

case proven case closed

Originally posted by Murco

Wow! Now I'm getting flamed! Us "old people" (I'm 37) are pretty hard-lined in our opinions because of EXPERIENCE! When you see situations and results over and over again, you learn what to expect. I have no beef with import drivers, I have a Jetta GLI along with my Camaro. I do take issue with the kids, usually in Hondas, who constantly choose me off in either car. The Jetta is almost understandable but the Camaro has a pretty healthy exaust note at idle so it's obviously not anywhere near stock. I used to "give them a show" every once in a while and they usually enjoyed the hell out of watching me rip-up the road, rear-end wiggling every gear-change and all. Since that silly Fast & Furious movie came out there are far too many punks out there suddenly copping really shotty attitudes and getting a little too aggressive about running them in some ratty little car with a pipe, especially if they have NOSS (I hate that stupid "word").
Honda builds a great car and I almost bought an Accord EX V6 last year. Nissan had me interested in the Altima 3.5, until I drove it. Even Subaru tempted me with the WRX so I'm not anti-Jap-car by any means.

did i say you buddy?

anyways anyone who drives a honda because of fast and teh furious is a dork no offense you suck case closed next

Accords keep changing styles like every year I get confused everytime I see a new one. Personally I thought the one with the NSX looking tailights was the best style. Now its all plain and boring, though the interior has shaped up quite a bit for a Honda I'm surprised.

And yes Hybrid, you're a ricer. Because uh, I don't have to have a reason you just are.

back to the orginal thread, import vs domestic, from what i have through my 15 years of life, i see imports everywhere, same goes for domestics. all im sayin is that, they should jus make the ultimate JAPANESE/IMPORT vs DOMESTIC car go against eachother, but if that happens, no car will ever b perfect, it jus depends how U modify ur car.

Originally posted by Silver_GTR34
back to the orginal thread, import vs domestic, from what i have through my 15 years of life, i see imports everywhere, same goes for domestics. all im sayin is that, they should jus make the ultimate JAPANESE/IMPORT vs DOMESTIC car go against eachother, but if that happens, no car will ever b perfect, it jus depends how U modify ur car.


:huh:

Well, when we find those ultimate cars we'll see whos better. I just don't think anybody on either side of the fence will ever decide what is the ultimate import or the ultimate domestic.

Would it be standard production cars like the Corvette Z06 or the Skyline GTR? Or supercars like the Saleen S7 or Ferrari Enzo? I mean it can fairly hard to deside what is the ultimate.

But its obvious the Geo Metro would desimate all. No Contest.

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//pictures/VEHICLE/1992/Geo/10704/004716-E.jpg

Honestly... Would you want to run something that sick?

No!

It would scare the shit out of me to drive a Metro, all three cylinders of raging power. I mean, that is just too much power to handle. I hear that some people actually mod those, they are INSANE!!!!

domestic. Cavalier with the aftermarket GM Performance parts upgrades whoops ass!!! Camaro, Corvette, Mustang, Firebird, etc are still kings though:D

It's dumb when peope say.. "imports suck, just look at the civic". the civic is'nt the only import you know. What if someone said.. "domestics suck... look how slow the 4door focus is". See my point?? There are fast imports (supra/skyline), and fast domestics (camaro/trans am). I see no point in argument in which one is faster, both sides have thier slow cars,imports ...American spec Corolla/ honda civic DX and the domestics... chevy lumina/ American spec escort.

Dumb arguments ;)

integra818 has a good point there, its like comparing the GTR34 to the Mustang Mach 1?? There will always be competition between every sport, exotic, or any car out there, no car will ever be perfect, but u never kno when that PERFECT car will come

Isn't that million dollar McLaren car supposed to be perfect?

Originally posted by DeViL
Isn't that million dollar McLaren car supposed to be perfect?


Excuse me... I believe I said Geo Metro was perfect? :rolleyes:


McLaren has nothing on Metro. Period.:mad:

Originally posted by DeViL
Isn't that million dollar McLaren car supposed to be perfect?

It is'nt.

Import V.S Domestic, Tacos V.S Burritos, Red V.S Blue, Coke V.S Pepsi... all the same dumb argument, it just boils down to what you like.

EDIT: I'm putting that in my sig!

Originally posted by RedNeck383
McLaren has nothing on Metro. Period.:mad:

He's right!!! :mad:

Self: I love your quota... not even turbo can replace displacement :right: :right: :right:

As far as Domestic vs Import... there's no justification, it's all into taste.

I've owned s/c mustangs back in the mid 90's running 11's, and to this
day I own *used* to drive a 10 sec civic, and today a low 12 high11 sec
M3 turbo.

Both costed money, one was lower, one was higher, then maintance, it
all balances it out.

i dunno, but ppl will always have their differences though, so wut i think is that the McLaren is close to a perfect car, but the price, THINK ABOUT THE PRICE!!! for the Geo Metro, yeah....its too weird and ugly to explain?

Yeah well for a next to perfect car, what do you expect it to cost you?

The thing handles like a god, and doesn't it do like around 11 flat in 1/4 mile. So you got one of the best handling cars out there and one of the fastest straight line cars out of the factory. It's not one or other like most cars, its good at both things.

Oh yeah btw I beat a Focus today in the truck, even with my 330 lb buddy riding with me. Little blue hatchback, I dunno what kind, don't they have like 4 or 5 different versions?

Damn.. 330# is a big boy... good kill!

A ricer isnt someone who drives an import; a ricer is a homo with exaust and wing and think his car is the shit with the loudest cheapest exaust money can buy. The Chevy Sledgehammer vette would smoke a skyline, lol. I dont know bout u guys but a growl so deep it rattles ur rib cage (not literally) is alot more intimidating than an exhaust that sounds like a bee. They dont scare me with my soon to be turbo zx2. If i had a cav i would rice it out but i didnt get one cuz the interior just sucks so bad...Not even a tach with the 5 spd. Murco's car is prolly the shits!

ps. u know what i could do with a million dollors? could buy 3 cars and upgrad the hell out of em and be faster than the McClaren and buy a house, or buy a viper hennessey and mod that. How the hell is that car S.L...?

Well my point is even with a million bucks I bet you yourself couldn't buy parts that would make a car really fast in the 1/4 mile (11's, 10s, lower) and make it handle as good as that McLaren. The car I imagine has been tweaked extremely well for track conditions.

Yeah this was the same guy I was with backing out of my driveway and I though it scraped the exhaust tips on his side. When he's inside its like the truck bends slightly to the passenger side so Im sort of off balance, kind of funny. 6'6 335 lbs precisely according to him. It's like having two passengers in the car lol.

Classic line from that race Friend- "Can you beat a focus?" Me- "Yeah, like this (light turns green second afterwards, take off)"

Originally posted by pimpclipse
ps. u know what i could do with a million dollors? could buy 3 cars and upgrad the hell out of em and be faster than the McClaren and buy a house, or buy a viper hennessey and mod that. How the hell is that car S.L...?

Probably more than $800,000 of that 1 million is for the name and status. Which are INFINITELY more sought after than being fast. You could do all that, buy the 3 cars and make them faster and everything and have a house and what not, and the guy with the McLaren will STILL be able to get into the places you can't, and get the looks than you won't, and recieve the praise that you won't, and be 1 million times cooler than you in his 1 million dollar car. You have to understand that status and prestige are very high-prices commodities. When you buy something like that, it's not even remotely about being fast.

I must say its also damn cool you get to sit in the middle of the car in those McLarens. 2 passenger seats on the side, thats fucking awesome.

Originally posted by DeViL
Oh yeah btw I beat a Focus today in the truck, even with my 330 lb buddy riding with me. Little blue hatchback, I dunno what kind, don't they have like 4 or 5 different versions?

Racing a Focus? That's just.....sad.

Originally posted by hybridsol

I have a honda civic, and I consider it a sports car. This would make me a ricer in your opinion?

No, I meant that they put stickers and kits on their vehicles and don't do any proper suspension and engine work. Then they have the nerve to want to race you from stoplight to stoplight. Your car doens't fall into that category, because it is modded in all the right places, and you don't strike me as the kinda person that does street racing (for the most part).

the Maclaren was not perfect for the reason that at high speeds it wasn't entirely stable unlike the Jaguar XJ220. Which inadvertantly found that having a long rear end past the rear wheels provided high stablilty at top speeds. So Maclaren copied it into thier GT racer like every other GT manufacturer :o

The F1 isnt known for being the perfect car, its know for being one of the fastest. Your average Joe prolly wouldnt know an f1 if it spat in his face. I could get the same looks if not more if was in a viper if not more cuz everyone knows what a viper is. I prolly wouldnt know what to make of it at first, id be like hey its hot wheels car...I used to have one of those...

p.s. F1 is gay. im just hatin...

i serverly doubt that

whilst the Viper would get the o look its a viper

the Maclaren F1 would get looks from people as if it was from Mars or something

but in Dubai where money grows on trees the Jaguar XJ220 still gets looks from people as if it was from the planet Zarg

PS is fast no domestic can match it thats why you said its gay
psps the viper is slow

PS is fast no domestic can match it thats why you said its gay
what is fast????
psps the viper is slow
Yeah well if 450 hp and 500 lbs of torque is slow then I sure as hell wish my truck was slow like that.

Well my point is even with a million bucks I bet you yourself couldn't buy parts that would make a car really fast in the 1/4 mile (11's, 10s, lower) and make it handle as good as that McLaren.

wanna bet on that?

how much is a CART or IRL car?

or, say, the corvette C5R that won LeMans (it's class)

or a bunch of other cars.

if you want to talk those numbers,

i'll take a zo6, and do the lingenfelter upgrades, and work the suspension.

and i'll do it for less than 300k.

With $30,000 you can make a miata go faster than a mclaren in a straight line and be able to out-handle it... but it does'nt make a miata better than a mclaren :D

what does better mean?

if it's faster, handles better, and has better times and top speed, i don't care what it is.

it's better than an f1.

it's not god.

just b/c it cost a million dollars and has all sorts of great stuff, doesn't mean something that has better performance isn't better.

Originally posted by integra818


What are you saying, Honda is better than Nissan? They both have their advantages, but overall I think Nissan is better than Honda. Don't get me wrong, I really love hondas but you can't argue with the Skyline's 1000+Hp capabilities. For the money, you could probably get a silvia S13 the same speed, if not faster, than an integra. Which is the reason I plan on selling my GSR for a 240sx. :)

I'm not trying to argue or flame you in any way, I"m just stating my opinion, I have nothing against you.
Sure I can, you find me a skyline with any amount of HP in the US that was cost efficient, furthermore how much money do you think it took to tune that skyline to 1000 HP. I want you to do me a favor and look at the size of the turbo on the s13 silvia, now look at the power rating of your GSR in comparison to the silvia. Then take that gigantic turbo and fit it to your b18c1, and tell me which has a higher power output. I don't think honda is better than nissan, and I don't think nissan is better than honda. I do on the other hand find honda more cost efficient, from my calculations its going to cost me a considerable amount more to get my se to run the same number's my del sol does. Then again other's may find it easier and more cost efficient to utilize a nissan motor, I think it is dependant on location.
Originally posted by KrNxRaCer00
:hehehe: here we go...personally...u can't argue w/ honda's technology. the way they build motors, the quality of their parts, makes me see honda as superior to nissan. don't get me wrong, i believe nissan makes amazing cars, but overall (line-up vs line-up) i believe honda has the edge. why do u think honda has been the top selling cars in america? (not always, but a lot of years they did).

i don't really think that they were callin u a ricer delsol (cuz everyone on here kno's ur car) i believe they were sayin that the one's w/ stock civics w/ only a lil exhaust tip, thinking they are now heavily mod'd racing machines.

its cheaper to build a quick nissan then a honda? i don't really think that is tru. i think that it could go either way. it really jus depends on which path u want to take. u bring up the 1000+ hp skyline, but its not exactly the most cost-efficient way to go (in the states). for 1/4 of that, u could put a h/b into the same times as that 1000hp skyline in the 1/4.

jus my .02 :D
applause
Originally posted by NSX-R-SSJ20K



http://www.dryhopp.com/dryhopp/k-spec_world/machine.html

case proven case closed
I fail to see how this proves your point....:confused:
Originally posted by DeViL

And yes Hybrid, you're a ricer. Because uh, I don't have to have a reason you just are.
hmm valid argument. ;)
Originally posted by lloyd_nickens


No, I meant that they put stickers and kits on their vehicles and don't do any proper suspension and engine work. Then they have the nerve to want to race you from stoplight to stoplight. Your car doens't fall into that category, because it is modded in all the right places, and you don't strike me as the kinda person that does street racing (for the most part).
No worries man, I understand what you mean now. :)

hybridsol, what size is the turbo on the silvia s13?

Originally posted by integra818
hybridsol, what size is the turbo on the silvia s13?
There is a Garret T25 on the sr20det s13 silvia.

mildly OT, but hybrid, did you see the new turbo that garrett has, from the nissan sentra dubbed "disco potato"?

it's being used on the SCC project 240sx... i just read about it in the new SCC mag...

it's got the same footprint and dimensions as the t25, but can make almost 300hp on the stock motor... nice...

(sorry for the digression)

I don't think that you can just say that foreign is better than domestic, you kind of have to go on a car by car basis to make comparisons.

NSX, why are u gonna give a link to a frackin drag car? If thats the case i could probably show u a summit cav or a dragged out neon that could keep up. No other country has a car
faster than the F1. No wait america has the callaway sledgehammer which is umm faster than the f1 without all the weight reduction and technology. And if u wanna say somethingabout it doesnt count because some guy built it than ur gay and if thats the cse the porsche carrera woulnt count for shit neither would the one lingenfelter helped make. And yes the callaway can be reproduced like the F1.

p.s. lots of u people are forgetting one important factor. American cars are made for american roads, vice versa with imports. Get where im goin? no? American roads generally tend to be more straight without all the eventfull curves and turns, on the other hand jap roads and european roads are full of curves and winds and twist so naturally ur cars are gonna be designed to handle those kinds of conditions. Thats why u dont see little american cars with porsche like handling. The viper isnt slow but its also not a roadster just pure power and it does run 10's with the right tires i guess... NSX i could put a fuckin giant turbo on a geo but so what? there comes a point where its no longer street legal...

can be reproduced like the f1....

this is true, it could, but it isn't. there is only one. whereas the f1 is considered a 'production car' (those were the rules for some of the races that the car was in)

not bashing callaway, cause i would take one real quicklike.

I will start by saying that Pimpclipse is a friggn' idiot! He did make 1, I stress "1," valid point about the roads. The rest is irreversable babble! He is probably one of those people that took the "E" off of the back of the car so it would say, "clipse" on it! I am fairly known here, and I don't attack people. Sometimes one thing leads to another, and something erks me. This post pissd me off for some reason! Probably because I am hung over at work it is still Thursday, and It's 8000 dergrees outside and I have a black on black car in traffic trying to get lunch and then I come back to this bullshit! Actually this whole thread is worn the hell out. Someone please

REMOVE IT!

Originally posted by hybridsol

There is a Garret T25 on the sr20det s13 silvia.

I've seen integras with T25's, they ussually run low 15's with no other mods besides the turbo (exept for intercooler/ BOV/...). And the Silvia S13 probably runs that fast in the 1/4 as well.

Have you seen SportCompactCar's flat black Silvia S13? They built a stock Silvia S13 for $3,000. GSR's don't go for that low. GSR's go for around $7,500 the lowest nowadays. With $7,500, you can build an S13 that can beat the integra in the 1/4 mile and probably beat it at the track too. The S13 is'nt really that much heavier than an integra, It weights about 2,750 LBS.

Remember, this is about Integras and Silvia, don't bring the civic hybrids in here :D